Former White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre has been doing interviews for her book, “Independent: A Look Inside a Broken White House, Outside the Party Lines."
It has not been going well for her. During the interviews, she's seemed focused on identity politics.
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But then her interview with The New Yorker's Isaac Chotiner hit a new level of insanity. He had trouble just understanding what she was trying to say. And her responses would then make things worse.
The following paragraph may be one of the most quietly hilarious paragraphs I've ever read. It's about why she left the Democratic Party because of how they maneuvered to get Joe Biden out of the race.
First time I’ve seen Chotiner own someone in the preamble to the interview pic.twitter.com/8QIlIRR7GB
— Brooks Otterlake (@i_zzzzzz) October 27, 2025
Indeed, Jean-Pierre is so outraged by the often unnamed Democratic establishmentarians who maneuvered to push Biden to step aside as the Presidential nominee, during the summer of 2024, in the wake of his disastrous debate performance against Donald Trump, that she has decided to leave the Democratic Party and become a political Independent. (Jean-Pierre, who served for more than two years in her role, which consisted of defending the Administration to the press and explaining its policies, also blames the Democratic Party because it “couldn’t articulate the achievements of the Biden/Harris administration well enough.”)
I read that, and then I laughed my head off. She's mad that they couldn't articulate the Biden administration's achievements well enough? Wait, whose job was it to do that for the administration? And what achievements is she talking about?
He asked her why she was upset about replacing Biden, if she agreed that President Donald Trump was a danger. Her answer was bizarre — that it was about how they dealt with "vulnerable people."
Because they believed that he needed to step aside. There’s more to this than just that period of time. This is very layered, right? There’s a period of time that I questioned what was happening and how do we treat our own, how do we treat people who are decent people? And then you also have to think about how I’m thinking about this as a Black woman who is part of the L.G.B.T.Q. community, and living in this time where I also don’t think Democrats right now, Democrats’ leadership, is protecting vulnerable people in the way that it should.
What does your being black and gay have to do with why or whether they should replace Biden? And you should replace him if he's too "vulnerable" to do the job. That's not exactly a great defense there.
Chotiner said he was "unclear" on what any of that had to do with Biden likely losing to Trump, based on the polls.
This was her response:
O.K., wait a minute. Hold on a second. Nobody knows anything. Nobody knows what would’ve happened. People also thought that if you replace Joe Biden we were going to win, or have a better chance of winning. Millions of people who showed up in 2020 didn’t show up in 2024. We can’t forget that there was an incumbency issue as well. This is real. There are, like, several G-10 countries with incumbents who did not get reëlected. There was an incumbency issue as well.
But if there was an "incumbency problem," isn't that more of a reason to replace him?
Chotiner replied that he wasn't sure "what you are saying." Shouldn't the loyalty be to the country, not to Biden?
Chotiner: Is this a matter of how you treat someone, or a matter of putting the country first?
KJP: Wait a minute, wait a minute. Treating somebody with dignity is not the same as loyalty. I mean, the way he was treated, I had never . . . if you had seen something like that in the Democratic Party, please, please, point that out.
Huh? Poor Chotiner kept trying, but it was a lost cause.
KJP went on, "We should have fought to make sure that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris won."
She also said she hadn't seen anything that would give her a concern about him potentially serving until Jan. 2029, if he had won.
incredible https://t.co/fP4tqMjEQw pic.twitter.com/r2jbz5IkCK
— Andrew Solender (@AndrewSolender) October 28, 2025
"Except for the debate, and what everyone else saw?" Chotiner asked. Oof.
She insisted:
I saw him every single day as his White House press secretary, and he was someone that was engaged, on top of policy, challenging his staff.
KJP termed Biden's disastrous debate "one time," claiming she hadn't seen him like that before. She said she thought that many people were "disappointed" by what the Democratic Party did, and that "these are people who vote."
They also spoke about Kamala Harris running in Biden's place. He wanted to know if she said "I never really believed Harris could win" in her book, why she thought at the same time that it was an "insult to try to get her off the ticket."
Her reply was something else.
Yes. Well, again, I wish you could walk in my body and live my life, and then I think you could understand what I’m saying. I really do, because I think any other Black woman would understand what I’m saying. What it truly is is that it wasn’t just an open primary or a brokered convention. There was disrespect to her as well. It was discounting her and her position and who she was. That’s what it felt like. This is a very unique thing that I don’t think anyone would understand unless you walked in our bodies and lived our lives. My feeling was not about her not being qualified. It was about people not being able to see past her being Black and a woman. It’s not that confusing for us because we live this life day in and day out.
Now I'm really confused. So it was an "insult" if people were trying to get her off the ticket, but it's also a sign of "disrespect" if they have an open convention? What? As we reported, Harris pressured Biden to immediately endorse her to stop any challenge. And her problem was she was a lousy candidate, not that she was black or a woman.
That's one of the reasons they didn't have the open convention that people like Barack Obama were reportedly trying to have.
She closed the interview on a weird note. Remember that title of her book? “Independent: A Look Inside a Broken White House, Outside the Party Lines."
The book for me is really about the moment that we’re in. When I talk about the broken White House in the subtitle, I’m talking about the Trump White House. So what are the Democratic leadership actually doing to beat back and fight back? What are they doing?
If the book is about her view inside, she doesn't have a view "inside" the Trump White House, so how would that even make any sense? Plus, it is the Biden White House that was broken, and she was one big example of it.
Liberal and conservative media may have joined for one of the few times ever, as both sides of the aisle had great fun on X, laughing at this interview.
Sums up the Biden admin https://t.co/z2aZuyiLoc pic.twitter.com/m0PuKzd7SQ
— Cameron Cawthorne (@Cam_Cawthorne) October 28, 2025
"I'm not sure what you're saying."
This is one of the most hilarious interviews I’ve ever read. https://t.co/hDPkbVmZex pic.twitter.com/eFfsftcG7D
— Elizabeth Weibel (@elfaddis) October 28, 2025
Turns out you can do a career-ending interview even after your career is over. https://t.co/QqBN5WPwYV
— David Weigel (@daveweigel) October 27, 2025
All I can say is thank God that Trump won, because the Democrats wanted to foist more of the confusion on us for another four years.
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