Former Sec. of State Condoleezza Rice did an interview Thursday on NBC News‘s “Third Hour Today” program where they talked about a number of issues including the border crisis, the Mueller report, and the racism Rice experienced growing up.

Throughout the interview, NBC News journo Sheinelle Jones repeatedly kept trying to draw out Rice’s opinions on whether or not Trump should be impeached and what she thought of the Mueller report. Rice made it clear she wasn’t going to second guess Mueller nor Congress.

When Jones turned to questions about how things are today race-wise compared to how things were when Rice was a child, Rice wasn’t having it.

Here’s the transcript of the exchange, via Newsbusters:

JONES: There are people who will say it feels worse now when we’re talking about race, or it just feels like a divisive environment.

RICE: Look, it sure doesn’t feel worse than when I grew up in Jim Crow Alabama, okay? So let’s drop this notion that we’re worse race relations today than we were in the past. Really? That means we’ve made no progress, really? And so, I think the hyperbole about how much worse it is isn’t doing us any good. We still – this country’s never going to be color blind. We had the initial original sin of slavery. It’s still with us.

JONES: So for people who say, you know what, it’s top down, it starts with the President, it starts with the words that he speaks.

RICE: Oh, come on, alright. I would be the first to say we need to watch our language about race. We need to watch that we don’t use dog whistles to people who – but when we start saying, “Oh, you know, it’s worse today,” no, they’re not.

Watch the segment below:

Condi Rice calls out NBC's @SheinelleJones for "hyperbole" about race relations under Trump pic.twitter.com/Bias5zap8C

— Kyle Drennen (@kjdrennen) June 20, 2019

To watch the full interview, click here.

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