Whether it’s hands or crowds, sometimes Trump’s surrogates really want you to know that size doesn’t matter. Here’s Kellyanne Conway saying so to George Stephanopoulos.

Okay, yes, America really won’t care about Trump’s size, whether it’s hands, inaugurations, or whatever other metaphor I can type that won’t get me in trouble with management. But, you know what America does care about? Presidents whose administrations lie right out of the gate.

I’m not accusing Conway of lying here, by the way. I’m accusing Trump of lying, and I’m accusing Spicer of lying. Even taking the Internet into account when it comes to viewership, the actual, photographic evidence of D.C. doesn’t conform to what either was saying.

To Conway’s credit, she is the only one spinning this properly. Trump is making sure he sets the tone that the media is the enemy and everything they say is a lie. I mean, he’s not entirely wrong with that assumption, given how the media has lost its damn mind over his election. But, you don’t counter lies and dumb attacks with more lies and dumb attacks.

That’s just… well, dumb.