The host of "Bannon's War Room" called out former Trump White House staffer Cassidy Hutchinson for her estrangement from the truth and the steps she took to recalibrate her blockbuster testimony to the House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol.
“She perjured herself,” said Stephen K. Bannon of Cassidy Hutchinson to his segment guest Julie Kelly, a political consultant who has researched the circumstances, people, and events involved in the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol Hill protests. "She bald face lied.”
Bannon reacted to Kelly's description of how Hutchinson revised her testimony to the J6 Committee.
“Are you telling me now, Cassie Hutchinson, who's been: ‘Oh, this has taken down Trump,’ She's taken Trump down on every TV show, wrote a worthless book. She went everywhere, got millions of dollars—she’s changing her testimony under the cover of night?” he asked.
“Yes, she is,” Kelly said.
Hutchinson, through her legal team, submitted a 15-page erratum to her J6 Committee testimony, she said.
An erratum is an official correction to sworn deposition testimony. In the federal courts, errata are governed by Rule 30(e), which allows the correction to stand with three conditions. The document must be submitted through the court reporter, not just to the parties involved; it must address in explicit terms the reason for the correction and be submitted within 30 days of the deposition. Even if all conditions are met, the old testimony continues to exist, so both documents stand in the official record.
These rules do not apply to the House of Representatives, but they offer insight into the process's gravitas.
Bannon was obviously agitated.
In that open testimony, which was pre-hyped by the J6 Committee staff as monumental, Hutchinson said that Tony Ornato, a Trump staffer and former Secret Service agent, told him that the leader of Trump’s Secret Service detail, Bobby Engel, had to wrestle the president in the vehicle to keep Trump from steering the vehicle towards the Capitol during the J6 protests.
So, once the president had gotten into the vehicle with Bobby, he thought that they were going up to the Capitol. And when Bobby had relayed to him we're not, we don't have the assets to do it, it's not secure, we're going back to the West Wing, the president had a very strong, a very angry response to that.
Tony described him as being irate. The president said something to the effect of I'm the f#cking president; take me up to the Capitol now, to which Bobby responded: “Sir, we have to go back to the West Wing.” The president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel.
Mr. Engel grabbed his arm and said: “Sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel. We're going back to the West Wing. We're not going to the Capitol.”
Mr. Trump then used his free hand to lunge toward Bobby Engel.
The committee’s vice-chairwoman Rep. Liz Cheney (R.-Wyo.) pressed Hutchinson with pre-buttals to inoculate her from contradictory statements from the actual individuals involved.
Cheney: And was Mr. Engel in the room as Mr. Ornato told you this story?
Hutchinson: He was.
Cheney: Did Mr. Engel correct or disagree with any part of this story from Mr. Ornato?
Hutchinson: Mr. Engel did not correct or disagree with any part of the story.
Cheney: Did Mr. Engel or Mr. Ornato ever after that tell you that what Mr. Ornato had just said was untrue?
Hutchinson: Neither Mr. Ornato nor Mr. Engel told me ever that it was untrue.
The J6 Committee deposed Engel before Hutchinson's open testimony and then brought him back. Afterwards, the committee's chairman Rep. Bennie Thompson (D.-Miss.) told reporters Engel’s testimony would be released.
It never was, said the author of “January 6: How Democrats Used the Capitol Protest to Launch a War on Terror Against the Political Right.”
The political consultant said the Engel testimony--along with all of the videotapes of all other closed-door testimonies are not available to House Republicans—"That transcribed video recording and interview is nowhere to be found.”
Kelly said Thompson told House Republicans that the tapes were destroyed and the transcripts the House Democrats provided were sufficient.
“Taking aside from the videos, you have hundreds of transcribed interviews that are still missing,” she said.
“If you go to the Jan. 6 Select Committee website, you will only see about 300 transcribed interviews out of 1,001 transcripts,” she said.
The hostess of "Declassified with Julie Kelly," said the Secret Service’s role and engagement in J6 remains a mystery.
“There are text messages between more than nearly three dozen Secret Service officials, including the head of the Secret Service that were automatically deleted, and this was at the Department of Homeland Security in late January 2021,” she said.
Kelly said the Secret Service claimed an automatic update deleted all Secret Service texts from December 2020 through Jan. 6, 2021.
Read RedState's coverage of the Secret Service deletions: "Secret Service Accused of Deleting January 6 Emails Despite Orders to Retain Them."
Bannon said the J6 Committee was flawed from the beginning because, unlike committees that investigated Watergate or the Iran-Contra scandals, there was no authentic minority party representation with attorneys. This meant there was no cross-examination of witnesses or validation of evidence presented.
“This stinks to high heaven,” the former Navy destroyer watch officer said.
“Normally, they say it's a coverup, not the crime—this is the crime,” he said.
“What exactly happened on Jan. 6? What was the planning for it? Who was involved in it? All the records, everything?” he asked.
Bannon said Republicans must get the answers.
“We're going to get to the bottom of this because this is outrageous,” he said.
“Now you got Cassie Hutchson--up there as Joan of Arc--and now she's going to change her testimony.”
Editor's Note: In an earlier version of this article, Julie Kelley was identified as an attorney. She is not an attorney. We apologize to our readers for the error.
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