Fox News host Martha MacCallum invited Black Lives Matter New York leader on Hawk Newsome for an interview Tuesday to discuss the looting and rioting that took place in Chicago last week, which started after agitators spread a false rumor on social media about a black child being shot by police officers during a foot pursuit of an adult suspect who was allegedly armed with a gun.
During the heated interview, MacCallum asked Newsome numerous times if he either condemned the looting and rioting or condoned it as a form of “reparations”, the latter of which is the position of Chicago Black Lives Matter leaders like Ariel Atkins, who said this during a rally last Monday in support of the looters:
“I don’t care if somebody decides to loot a Gucci or a Macy’s or a Nike because that makes sure that that person eats. That make sure that person has clothes. That’s reparations. That is reparations.”
Newsome repeatedly refused to answer MacCallum’s questions directly, instead choosing to attack the source of one of her comments (former NYC Mayor Rudy Giuliani) and responding to other questions by repeatedly talking over MacCallum and treating the interview as though it was a debate between two political opponents, demanding to know where MacCallum stood on recent police shootings:
“Alright, so you want to see reparations come from corporations. I asked you a question though, in fairness, Hawk, in fairness, okay,” MacCallum responded as Newsome repeatedly talked over her. “I listened to you, and now I want you to answer my question. Listen to me, sir. I asked you a question. Do you think, sir, do you think, do you agree, that it’s okay to go in and break the windows at Gucci’s or Macy’s or Nike because it makes sure that that person eats and that person has clothes. That was my question to you. Is that ethically okay to you?”
“Okay. Okay,” Newsome responded.”And before I answer that, I want to ask you this: Do you think it’s okay that America kills people in their homes like Breonna Taylor and our politicians do not do anything about it?”
“No, I don’t think that’s okay. Of course I don’t think that’s okay,” MacCallum snapped back. “No, but you don’t answer my question. … I’m trying to have a conversation. No one thinks that’s okay. … But you’re not answering my question which is whether or not it’s okay to take away people’s livelihoods because you deserve the stuff that’s in the broken window, okay? There’s two different issues here, and I wish you would answer my question, which you said you would but didn’t.”
As Newsome continued to ramble and talk over MacCallum while not answering any questions, his mic was cut and the interview abruptly ended. Watch:
BlackLivesMatter of NY’s @IamHawkNewsome refuses to condemn rioting/looting, let alone even answer the question directly: “Do you think it’s OK for a country to profit off of slaves?" [via @marthamaccallum] pic.twitter.com/TtoqHv4wBl
— Tom Elliott (@tomselliott) August 19, 2020
Why Fox News continues to invite BLM leaders on for interviews is a mystery to me. Other networks, like NBC News, invite them on in an effort to help them spread the propaganda without much if any pushback. But when they get pushback during Fox News interviews – as Newsome did here with MacCallum, they continuously talk over the people interviewing them as if they don’t care about the questions and are just using the opportunity to spread “the message” to a larger audience.
The only solution here is for them to either stop inviting them on or continue to cut mics until they decide they want to answer questions. Until then…