In an interview with Fox News the former director for the Center for Disease Control, Robert Redfield, laid out with plain logic why his theory around COVID-19 being a lab-created virus in China is the most sound and reasonable. What’s more, he has some frightening things to say about the World Health Organization.

According to Fox News, Redfield said in the interview that COVID-19 didn’t have the same properties as previous coronavirus strains which may have been contracted through animal contact but spread at a much slower rate.

“When I said before that I didn’t think it was biologically plausible that COVID-19 went from a bat to some unknown animal into man and now had become one of the most infectious viruses, that’s not consistent with how other coronaviruses have come into the human species. And, it does suggest that there’s an alternative hypothesis that it went from a bat virus, got into a laboratory, where in the laboratory, it was taught, educated, it evolved, so that it became a virus that could efficiently transmit human to human.”

Despite this obvious fact laying in plain sight, many in the scientific, political, and new communities wrote this idea off as a conspiracy theory, a narrative that China itself pushed from its end. Redfield said he was disappointed with the “lack of openness” from scientists in order to look into the theory. Redfield added:

“I’m just giving my best opinion as a virologist, and I don’t think it’s plausible that this virus went from a bat to an animal – we still don’t know that animal – and then went into humans and immediately had learned how to be human-to-human transmissible to the point of now causing one of the greatest pandemics we’ve had in the history of the world.”

Meanwhile, China has gone out of its way to attempt to discredit the lab leak theory. As Jennifer Van Laar reported on Monday, the Wuhan Institute of Virology’s Dr. Shi Zhengli had an “unscheduled interview” with the New York Times wherein she tried to pass off the idea of a lab leak as far out of the realm of reality, and even attempted to pass it off as an attack on her personally. These were clearly narratives generated by the Chinese government, and narratives the New York Times was only happy to print.

Redfield also gave a warning about the WHO’s unceasing loyalty to China, holding up the WHO’s investigation into the lab leak theory in China being “extremely unlikely” as evidence that it’s now a propaganda arm:

“Clearly, they were incapable of compelling China to adhere to the treaty agreements that they have on global health, because they didn’t do that. Clearly, they allowed China to define the group of scientists that could come and investigate. That’s not consistent with their role.”

The WHO has been protecting China in various ways over the course of the pandemic. At one point, WHO Assistant Director Bruce Aylward was asked about Taiwan’s membership status in the WHO, to which he attempted to deflect, disconnect the call with the reporter, and then finally said China’s already been talked about.