Tesla CEO Elon Musk went on Joe Rogan’s podcast, “The Joe Rogan Experience” and spoke some truths that many in his position avoid saying for fear of hurting their business’s numbers. Musk doesn’t seem to be bothered by the court of public opinion and spoke openly on his thoughts about the quarantine, our rights and freedoms, and how our economy isn’t an infinite source of money.

Rogan set up Musk for comments by talking about how the lockdowns have infringed on our freedoms.

“In general I think we should be concerned about anything that’s a massive infringement on our civil liberties. You gotta put a lot of weight on that,” said Musk. “A lot of people died to win independence for our country and fight for the democracy that we have. We should treasure that and not give up our civil liberties too easily.”

Rogan said he agreed with Musk’s comments that staying home should be a choice and that arresting people for not complying with lockdowns seems wrong and calling it “an infantilization of our society.”

“Fundamentally a violation of the Constitution,” says Musk.

The two talked about how there shouldn’t be punishments for those who are healthy and trying to help rescue the economy while encouraging those at risk to stay home before addressing the arguments put forth by people who are for continuing the lockdown until a solution presents itself.

Musk agreed that it should be a choice to stay home if people choose but wrecked the idea that this is sustainable and that our government and our economy aren’t an endless deposit of money.

“My opinion is, if somebody wants to stay home, they should stay home, and if somebody does not want to stay home, they should not be compelled to stay home,” Musk said. “That’s my opinion. And if somebody doesn’t like that, well, that’s my opinion.”

“This notion, though, that you can just sort of send checks out to everybody and things will be fine is just not true,” said Musk. “Some people have this absurd view that the economy is like some magic horn of plenty. Like it just makes stuff. The goods and services, they just come from this magic horn of plenty, and that if somebody has more stuff from somebody else, then they just took more from this magic horn of plenty.”

“Now, let me just break it to the fools out there, if you don’t make stuff there is no stuff,” said Musk. “If you don’t make the food, if you don’t process the food, if you don’t transport the food, whether it’s medical treatment, getting your teeth fixed, there’s no stuff.”

“We’ve become detached from reality. You can’t just legislate money and solve these things. If you don’t make stuff there is no stuff, obviously,” he continued. “We’ll run out at the stores, the machine just grinds to a halt.”