In response to my post debunking one of the main Republican establishment myths, Ramesh Ponnuru claims that I joust with phantoms by “doing battle with someone he calls by my name but has very different views.” Yet he moves the goal posts in three ways that suggest those phantoms might be too close to reality for his own comfort.
First, Ramesh now admits there was, “some slippage on the right but not a huge amount.” That was not stated in his original article. However, he continues to sell the data short. He keeps focusing on the presidential year of 2004. But let’s compare off-year elections, apples to apples. As Ramesh notes, in the bad year of 2006, conservatives voted 78% for Republicans and made up 32% of the electorate. Compare with the strong year of 2010, in which conservatives voted 84% for Republicans and made up 42% of the electorate. A six point differential, even when less of the electorate is conservative, is significant.
Second, Ramesh now concedes that at least some of this slippage may in fact have been due to “Republican squishiness.” I never argued that the 2006 election hinged “exclusively” on spending and limited government concerns. I pointed out that the independent voters that Republicans lost in 2006, cared a great deal about excess spending, and that it impacted their opinion of Republicans. I also suggested that Ramesh was wrong–by constantly conflating conservatives with Republicans and by drawing such a stark distinction between conservatives and independents–to conclude that big Republican government had nothing to do with the 2006 election losses.
However, even in this discussion, Ramesh is revealing. He declares “that the vast majority of conservative voters favored the prescription-drug subsidies.” I’m not sure where he is getting his proof, but I suspect he is conflating conservatives and Republicans again. According to an ABC/Washington Post poll, 49% of Republicans supported the Medicare prescription drug benefit soon after it was enacted, but 51% either disapproved or did not have an opinion (perhaps because it struck them odd that a Republican president was pushing such a massive new entitlement). Interestingly, 41% of independents disapproved of the new law with 30% approving and 30% having no opinion. The popularity of this new entitlement was hardly “vast” among Republicans, and certainly not with independents.
Third, Ramesh now claims that he was just criticizing “a few candidates associated with the tea party,” when he cited Sharron Angle and Ken Buck, and not the tea party as a whole. Unfortunately, he wasn’t just criticizing a few candidates–he was criticizing “conservative primary voters [who] rejected two electable, conventionally conservative candidates” and preaching to similar voters across the country. Nor does he address any of the points I made, including that independents voted for both in the general election. He simply reasserts that both were “weak general-election candidates.”
Ramesh also claims that my conclusion that he “has long wanted an agenda that focuses on issues such as wage stagnation, traffic congestion, and student loan costs that appeal to middle class voters, not middle class entitlements that are bankrupting the entire nation” is not true. Not true? In the article I linked to, Ramesh [and Rich Lowry] call for “a reform agenda that helps ordinary Americans….That agenda should center, unapologetically, on the middle class.” In it, after a perfunctory mention that, “spending restraints should be a part of that agenda,” they call for addressing “mundane quality-of-life-issues such as traffic” and “simplifying financial-aid formulas, by replacing subsidized loans with direct grants as much as possible.” And of course, Ramesh is well-known for his foot being firmly on the brake of entitlement reforms.
If Ramesh had merely set out to remind us that Republicans need to apply “conservative thought to voters’ concerns, to be competent, and to be clean,” his article would not have deserved a response for that is obvious. But Ramesh set out to deconstruct an electorally-unsound “mythology” that has led to a “fixation on ideological purity” that he opposes. In doing so, he ironically perpetuated an actual mythology of the Republican establishment–a mythology that has serious adverse consequences for conservatives and Republicans alike, and the country at large. That mythology is not true and must be challenged at every turn.
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A Careful Balance
YnotNOW (Diary) Wednesday, December 7th at 11:17AM EST (link)The argument between “conservative purity” and “electability” (as in appeal to the nebulous moderate independent) is a difficult one, because we want ideals and truth, but also the chance to apply those in a real world that requires popular support before we can enact them. It is a difficult balance.
The longer-term solution remains education and cultural change, because in the end, representatives will represent the people. If the next generation trends more conservative, the politicians will follow.
YnotNOW
If not me, who? If not now, when?
Several issues with the Tea Party Senate candidates
Change Jar Conservative (Diary) Wednesday, December 7th at 12:07PM EST (link)#1) You can only really put a “newbie” type of candidate up in a very Red state where the GOP is going to win (e.g. Utah and Mike Lee)
#2) Buck was done in by the crazy governor’s race.
#3) The best way to get a Tea Party Senate candidate is to get a Tea Party house member who has been there 4 to 6 years and proven to be unaffected by Washington OR to get someone who is a proven business leader like they did in Wisconsin.
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Re: #1
Langley Wednesday, December 7th at 12:16PM EST (link)I think Senator Ron Johnson from Wisconsin might disagree with you there.
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So much for Tea Party
thosjefferson Wednesday, December 7th at 3:40PM EST (link)Newt lied during the debate about taking only $300,000 from Freddie Mac for his services “as a historian” and the Tea Party people in Iowa don’t seem care. This level of support for Gingrich is undermining every message the Tea Party purported to stand for. If a multimillionaire lobbyist like Gingrich is their idea of a President, then I guess I’m a former Tea Party supporter.
That's One Opinion.
Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Wednesday, December 7th at 3:45PM EST (link)Here’s the other side…
http://www.gormogons.com/2011/12/by-any-means-necessary.html
Mr. Obama is pretending that an economic “recovery” is underway when he knows damn well that the banking system is just blowing smoke up the shredded *** of what’s left of that economy – James Howard Kunstler
That's the other side?
thosjefferson Wednesday, December 7th at 4:05PM EST (link)So you’re saying it’s a good idea for the Tea Party to support a multimillionaire lobbyist as President? How does that fit in with everything they purported to stand for?
I support whoever wants a smaller government and more power to the states. That’s the opposite of Gingrich. And apparently now it’s the opposite of the Tea Party, if the polls are accurate.
Can you name a single other politician in our times who has profited more from his political office than Gingrich?
Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, Christopher Dodd,
Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Wednesday, December 7th at 4:07PM EST (link)Rahm Emanuel, Spencer Bacchus, Conrad Burns, Don Young, Jesse Jackson, Jr….
Oops, I’m sorry, you just asked me for one.
Mr. Obama is pretending that an economic “recovery” is underway when he knows damn well that the banking system is just blowing smoke up the shredded *** of what’s left of that economy – James Howard Kunstler
Good company
thosjefferson Wednesday, December 7th at 6:06PM EST (link)Pelosi, possibly, but none of the others have made anywhere near as much as Gingrich. But that’s a nice list of company for him.
I still can’t reconcile what I thought the Tea Party stood for and their support of this shameless lobbyist.
Thanks for an excellent diary, Russ.
Right Reason (Diary) Wednesday, December 7th at 8:22PM EST (link)It is wonderful and heartening that RedState has voices that can so effectively answer the erstwhile “conservative ” voices of the punditry class. Well done.
Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.
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