
All the talk in your typical Senate analysis this year has assumed Republican Mike Castle will beat Democrat Chris Coons in the Delaware Senate race, but the fact is there’s still a GOP primary in progress.
It’s forgivable to forget about that primary when polling of the primary is scarce, and PPP and Rasmussen hold Coons under 40, but let’s extrapolate from the PPP poll to the primary.
Some would question the handicapping of a Republican primary with of a poll from PPP (a firm aligned with Democrats) and commissioned by Daily Kos, which is fair, but we can keep their biases in mind for the worst case. And if you want Chris Coons to win, what do you want to see? You want a difficult primary. You want money spent, allegations hurled, and feelings hurt. Any bias here is going to be against the frontrunner and for the underdog challenger.
That challenger is, of course, Christine O’Donnell. Top lines involving her have been mixed: some say she can beat Chris Coons, others say she can’t. That’s not what I’m looking for today though. I’m looking at how Republicans are evaluating her candidacy, and for that I’m going to delve into the PPP crosstabs.
First we look at overall approval figures. Delaware registered Republicans (this is not a likely voter poll) favor Castle 60/25 for +35, but only favor O’Donnell 34-29 +5. Nearly a majority of Delaware Conservatives favor Castle 46/39 for +5, while those conservatives favor O’Donnell 37/23 for +14. And for one more split: McCain voters favor Castle 54/31 or +23, while they favor O’Donnell only 32/29 or +3. It seems to me that O’Donnell is only better liked than Castle if only conservatives vote in the primary, while the rest of the GOP stays home.
“Ah!” the O’Donnell supporters will cry, “But Mike Castle is out of step with the Republican Party!” though he pretty much had to be, given that his House district tilts so far left that most analysts gave it up for the Democrats as soon as he announced he was moving on to the Senate. “He won’t excite the base in the general!” Well, let’s look at how O’Donnell does in the general. In the general among conservatives, Castle beats Coons 67-13, while O’Donnell beats Coons 69-13. Among McCain voters, Castle wins 75-10 and O’Donnell wins 71-13. Among Republicans, Castle wins 75-12 and O’Donnell wins 67-17.
I just see no evidence that Castle is disliked enough by Delaware Republicans, Conservatives, and McCain voters for an O’Donnell candidacy to catch on like those of Marco Rubio, Mike Lee, or Pat Toomey. Christine O’Donnell’s core challenge is to give Delaware Republicans who like Mike Castle a reason to vote against him anyway.
So far, she’s failing.
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rdelbov Wednesday, September 1st at 12:53PM EST (link)Mike Castle by all accounts has been an absolute fixture at every event of note in DE for +30 years. High school football games-pancake breakfast at the Rotary club. The other day he was bike riding with local riders at a bike lane opening. If you have a problem with Mike Castle just walk up to him and say so. He’s somewhere in DE every day. The GOP convention endorsed him and apparently he is a super nice guy.
So I second your opinion. DE is a small state and eye ball to eye ball politics is so crucial. The folks who know him are giving him a thumbs up.
Not the state for Rino hunting...
mboyle1988 (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 1:02PM EST (link)But you can rest assured that when John Conryn comes up for re-election, there will be hell to pay for what he did to Miller…Richard Lugar needs to go bye bye too.
Both the Texas Rinos ....
jmo--sanantonio, tx (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 5:34PM EST (link)will be getting the boot when they come up.
“Stupid Is As Stupid Does”.—Mama Gump
What did Cornyn do to Miller (in AK?) - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 11:03AM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
Well, O'Donnell made the point to me.
juumanistra (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 1:03PM EST (link)It’s ironic, actually, to bring up that O’Donnell needs to give Republican primary-goers a reason to vote against Castle. As just the other day I made the statement to myself that O’Donnell’s website didn’t do much about generating a reason to vote for her, but was rather proficient at dredging up all the things I disliked about Mike Castle.
I’d forgotten Castle voted for cap-and-trade. Full stop. Congrats, Christine! You’ve earned yourself a primary vote from this resent (re)transplant.
This discussion raises an interesting strategy
bannedtroll Wednesday, September 1st at 6:47PM EST (link)Voter sentiment is going to be such that I think a Mike Castle would fall in line for repealing Obamacare, which should be the first order of business. But maybe not, since promiscuous Republicans are the ones who tend to do whatever it takes to hold onto power rather than do what’s right, and that issue probably polls in DE better than other states. Cap and Tax is dead, unless they ram it through in a lame duck Congress.
O’Donnell would be a solid conservative, but her position as 180 degrees from Obama may prevent her from getting elected in that state. Therefore, in DE, you could very well be talking about a 1 term Senator, which is fine since the next 6 years will be crucial with undoing Obama’s damage and possibly replacing Justice Kennedy.
My inclination here is to pull for Christine. If I were a betting man (and I am), you make your big bets when you’re ahead. Castle is a safer win, but Christine would be a big upgrade. It wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world if Castle won. Democrats did cajole Nelson, Lincoln and Landrieu into voting for Obamacare, maybe we can use Castle to undo it.
I’m a banned Democrat who came here to promote the idea that Republicans are racists for disliking Barack Obama.
This is who you want me to vote for?
rightwingdelaware Wednesday, September 1st at 11:15PM EST (link)You want me to go to the polls on September 14th and vote for a woman who lied to me for the past 4 years about having a college degree? A woman who pays her utilities rent and cell phone bills with campaign donations while her staffers from 2008 and the businesses she worked with haven’t been paid? A woman who claims that Joe Biden had a lien put on her house because of the 2008 campaign when the lien was on her house since 2006?
Are you kidding me?
http://delawarerepublicanrecord.wordpress.com/
That site has a stack of documentation, mostly court documentation, about all of the things that Christine O’Donnell claims are not true.
Please read that site and join me in reality.
Every single remark you make is the same thing, rightwingdelaware.
janis (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 11:31PM EST (link)Bash O’Donnell or say how you’d be just okay with Castle, he’s the one who can win, O’Donell’s a liar, Castle’s a proven quantity, etc.
Your presence here is more likely to make others look with favor at O’Donnell. So, you know, keep it up. I understand that sour grapes make for some nice whines.
He's just another newly registered Castle flack. N/T
Right Reason (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 7:14AM EST (link)n/t
Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.
- Winston Churchill
Nice guy but
ithos Wednesday, September 1st at 1:09PM EST (link)probably more liberal than Arlen Specter. How’d that turn out? If the GOP becomes more conservative what assurances do we have that he won’t jump ship?
The biggest reason to vote for him is that if he stays Republican then he’ll be less likely to join filibusters than a Democrat.
From a risk reward standpoint
ithos Wednesday, September 1st at 1:16PM EST (link)voting for O’Donnell is a no brainer. Yes you may increase chances of losing the General which means a slightly less liberal vote in the Senate than a Democrat but you stand to gain a rock solid conservative who will without question vote to repeal Obamacare and oppose cap and trade.
All risk, no reward
Spiker Wednesday, September 1st at 7:15PM EST (link)Chances of a Republican victory in Delaware with Castle: 90%
Chances of a Republican victory in Delaware with O’Donnell: 0%
You waited three years to make that comment?
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 7:45PM EST (link)Take another three years off and try to come up with something factual and substantive. Right now you are just boring me.
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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Lurker, never felt like commenting.
Spiker Wednesday, September 1st at 9:59PM EST (link)Lemmings marching a near-guaranteed Senate pick-up off a cliff to support an opportunistic, self-absorbed joke of a candidacy because she embraced the Tea Party after she realized it’d be the first time in the past 5 years that she’d get any meaningful party support (and therefore changed her focus from pushing a social conservative platform to bashing Mike Castle) got me to make a comment.
I’ve noticed that people seem to make comments about people who only recently registered to post. And you just made a comment about how long ago I registered. What is the proper time to have been registered, and how many posts/day should one make in order to not be brushed aside with an ad hominem attack?
You've got to build a record of commentary before
Xasteius (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 10:07PM EST (link)you can make comments like that; otherwise you’ll get labeled as a troll and the mods will blam you (not that I’m one).
Don’t leave the party, hijack it back!
The only poll that counts is the one at the ballot box.
I don’t want to be Reagan. I want to be a Chance/Soros hybrid.
Bingo, Xasteius. When you've never made comments
eburke (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 10:13PM EST (link)before, and then you show up bashing conservatives whilst spewing lib talking points, it raises antennaes. Or, when you’ve only been registered a few days/weeks/months and the only thread you comment on is one where a conservative is running against a lib/mod, and all you do is spew mod/lib talking points, that too raises antennaes and makes you a candidate for a) a moby, or b) someone assigned by the lib/mod campaign staff to monitor conservative websites and undercut conservative candidates.
And….that profile fits just about every pro-Castle, anti-McDonnell poster on this thread. What a coincidence.
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
Unified Patriots
My takeaway
Spiker Wednesday, September 1st at 11:49PM EST (link)Support O’Donnell or get called a troll and be threatened with being banned. Nice.
I don’t care who Erick endorsed; my objective is to win as many seats in the Senate as possible. I think we have an honest chance of getting 51, or at least close. We haven’t hurt ourselves yet thus far, because Kentucky and Alaska are solidly conservative states and Nevada was a competition among B-list candidates anyways. But the effort to sink Mike Castle is an effort to lose a Senate seat, plain and simple.
I support more Republicans in the Senate, and if that gets me banned from Redstate, then I guess that’ll be the way it goes.
No.you only risk being blammed
pilgrim (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 11:55PM EST (link)If O’Donnell wins the primary and you continue to refer to her as opportunistic, self-absorbed joke of a candidacy, then THAT will get you blammed.
You're taking away the wrong thing.
Xasteius (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 11:59PM EST (link)The point is basically thus: if you don’t have a record, trend more carefully with the comments. The ‘regulars’ can’t tell the difference. You aren’t the first person and won’t be the last to fall afoul in good faith (assumption here).
Don’t leave the party, hijack it back!
The only poll that counts is the one at the ballot box.
I don’t want to be Reagan. I want to be a Chance/Soros hybrid.
Look here Skippy ...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 2:02AM EST (link)Go back and read my comment and tell me what action points I asked for and then we can talk further.
In other words, I reject the entire premise of your reply. Wise up.
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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Follow @Aaron_RS
No reward
skep41 Wednesday, September 1st at 9:58PM EST (link)You want Pat Leahy as Chairman of the Judiciary Committee instead of Jeff Sessions the next time a Supreme Court nominee comes up? Castle just has to have an R attached to prevent that.
I think Castle has got to be the man
calgacus (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 1:36PM EST (link)Deleware is very different than Alaska or Utah or even Florida. It’s sort of like Scott Brown in Massachusetts; it’s a miracle that we have a non-communist! O’ Donnell has been trailing in most polls, and I do not think she can win a general election. I would predict she’d lose by ten. The problem is that in Deleware voters approve of Obama by 50 / 44. I agree with the person above, we need to seriously hold Cornyn’s feet to the fire, and perhaps challenge Orin Hatch in 2012.
We're not quite as liberal as you think.
Right Reason (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 2:11PM EST (link)Newcastle County, perhaps moreso, but Kent and Sussex counties are much more conservative. And by the way, the lower 2 counties are growing at a MUCH faster rate than Newcastle (25% from 2000-2010 vs 6%). And I can tell you from experience, these are people moving in from MD, NJ and NY to escape the ridiculous taxes. Sound almost like Tea Party recruits to me.
Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.
- Winston Churchill
There may be more people in the north
Right Reason (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 1:45PM EST (link)but the energy level of all of us south of Dover has pegged the meter. We’re going to do all we can to push Christine over the top, and with her on the ballot in November, I think downstate turnout will carry the day – especially in an off-year election.
As far as him being a fixture at DE events as rdelbov comments above, he nearly got booed off the street at every Independence Day parade in Sussex County last year. I haven’t seen hide nor hair of him since. I drove up to New York to visit family last weekend. There wasn’t a single Castle sign to be seen south of Dover. He’s basically writing off 1/3 of the state.
Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.
- Winston Churchill
Good grief people...
trt1 Wednesday, September 1st at 1:57PM EST (link)Some of you sound like a Frenchman with your unconditional surrender talk in this primary. O’Donnell deserves the support of conservatives. Funny how we listen to callers non-stop on the radio asking “what can we do”. Then, you read posts like “not a state for RINO hunting.” Just because it is difficult doesn’t mean we should give up. That is what has given us the RINOs in the first place. We need to support the conservative candidate no matter what. Win or lose. Not much sense in winning with Mike Castle when he is going to undermine the entire movement. Give cover to libs whenever he can. Be trotted out with McCain and Graham by the dinosaur media to represent the “Republican” view. Those days need to be over or we haven’t learned a damn thing about anything.
“As far as I’m concerned, war always means failure.” Jacques Chirac, President of France. “As far as France is concerned, you’re right.” Rush Limbaugh
Amen!
ithos Wednesday, September 1st at 2:10PM EST (link)..
@trt1
mboyle1988 (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 2:16PM EST (link)Jim Demint doesn’t get to be Senate Majority leader unless a Republican wins in Delaware. If Christine O’Donnell can win, god bless her, but I’m already nervous about Joe Miller in Alaska. As has been pointed out, for whatever reason, Delawareans seem to love the Obama agenda. If we can trick them into voting for a RINO over a donkey, god bless them. If we can trick them into voting for an Elephant, even better, but I just don’t think that’s going to happen. I’d rather have a rhino than a donkey, especially since rhinos help the right elephants get in charge of committees and things.
spot on
rdelbov Wednesday, September 1st at 2:24PM EST (link)and it hinges on who Christine O. is .
Joe Miller was an Iraqi Vet-Yale law school-top flight family man-war hero
Mike Lee is brilliant and as Alito law clerk on his resume plus his family traces its conservative roots back to Reagan years.
Christine O. is using campaign funds to pay her rent-Ulity-gas for her car and has no discernable means of income for several years. There are a host of small vendors in the state who are owned money from her previous campaigns. Perhaps you might pay your neighborhood printer what you owe him before you take on another senate campaign. I am a small business guy and its a happy day when you get a check in the mail– a very sad one when someone scams you for service. This is a poison issue for a GE
You also forgot to mention...
ffc99 Wednesday, September 1st at 2:47PM EST (link)1) that she didn’t receive her college degree because of unsatisfied obligations owed to the university; 2) a year or two ago her home went into foreclosure and she only avoided a sheriff’s sale by selling it to her campaign counsel/then boyfriend; and 3) the IRS placed a lien on her for about $11k back in 2005. In short, she seems to have a real problem living within her means and paying her bills. Not the kind of person I would think most conservatives would want in Washington.
This woman is a disaster of a candidate. Democrats are salivating at the thought of facing her. They would rip her to shreds.
That seems to be a popular post for you, ffc99
Right Reason (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 4:03PM EST (link)1.)she paid the debt
2.)She sold her home and satisfied the debt.
3.) She satisfied the lien.
So, she owed 3 debts. She paid 3 debts. HOW SCANDALOUS!
I have never seen, in any of your comments, a substantive argument against her positions.
Methinks you a Castle shill.
Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.
- Winston Churchill
What about the campaign
ffc99 Wednesday, September 1st at 4:14PM EST (link)debts? And the failure (repeatedly) to file campaign disclosures with the FEC? Her use of campaign funds to pay half her rent? And the fact it doesn’t appear she’s held a real job in the past 5 or so years? All of her financial issues add up to paint a picture of a person who isn’t fit (at this time) to hold public office (or at the very least, an office as high profile and important as United States Senator).
As to your point regarding her “positions”. She professes to be a “true” conservative and I have no reason to doubt her. However, I want us to not only elect conservatives, but conservatives who have the experience, ethics and judgment to perform ably in office. Christine is clearly lacking in all these departments.
Make no mistake about it, if Christine is the nominee she will lose. Democrats are praying she somehow knocks off Castle.
And FYI, I don’t live in DE or have any connection to the campaign (which is a good thing, as I know I wouldn’t be terribly happy with having to pull the lever for Mike Castle).
Well, I do live in DE and the choice I've got
Right Reason (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 4:32PM EST (link)is Mike Castle or Christine O’Donnell. I’ll take O’Donnell, thank you.
I’m sure we could dig up the same pile of dirty minutae on Mike Castle, but I’d rather judge what I think the candidate will do in office. I’ve talked with Christine O’Donnell. I belive she will be a solid conservative once in office. As for Castle, I KNOW he won’t be. Hell, I think it’s better than 50/50 that he’l jump ship just like Arlen Specter.
Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.
- Winston Churchill
The last time I checked
rdelbov Wednesday, September 1st at 4:27PM EST (link)she still had outstanding debts from 2008 listed on her FEC reports.
It also not exactly clear how she paid some of these debts as a close friend was apparently involved in buying her house.
There are also reports that she is using campaign funds to pay rent on this house as well as using campaign funds to pay personal bills for utilties and food.
How *dare* Christine sell her house to a friend.
eburke (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 4:43PM EST (link)Oh the *humanity*.
‘Cause that’s *certainly* worse than chalking up F ratings from the NRA and NRTL and accepting millions of dollars of campaign contributions from the people and business PACs that directly benefitted from Castle’s vote in favor of TARP.
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
Unified Patriots
Hmmm...Miller's upset win must have the Castle folks scared enuf
eburke (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 4:28PM EST (link)to send out their shills, all who have for some strange coincidence, all registered in just the last few months.
I’ll dignify your allegations with a response when you can make a case as to why Castle should be elected based on his votes and is issue stances, and when you can defend the millions of dollars he’s received in campaign contributions from the corporations that benefitted immensely from his vote for TARP.
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
Unified Patriots
I think we need to push for real conservative cabdidates
emaberk Wednesday, September 1st at 9:10PM EST (link)playing in the middle has gotten the movement no where and if NOW is not the time to show the Nation that conservative values and principles can fix this mess then I don’t know when a better time will be. We should all back Christine with as much enthusiasm and support as we can.
Hold on a minute
franklin50 Monday, September 6th at 6:46AM EST (link)Sounds like she’s broke and she’s been that way for some time. Having trouble paying your bills doesn’t disqualify you from being an officeholder. John Kerry, worth $200myn, won’t pay his yacht taxes in Mass. Charlie Rangel writes tax laws then exempts himself from the very laws he authors. Not everyone is a multimillionaire. She sounds like a conservative with flaws. Yeh so? Mike Castle is a liberal with flaws. Just sayin…
Well said
jb13 (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 2:40PM EST (link)Majorities. Matter.
Anyone who does not live in a blue state, or even a mostly blue state, just doesn’t get it or understand. If you live in a deep red state, you have the luxury of lecturing all of us who live in blue states with your more-conservative-than-thou nonsense. Fine. Lecture away.
But understand this: You cannot win and hold a majority in the Senate by running Jim DeMint clones in states like Delaware, Illinois or New Jersey. Would you ever like to sniff a 60-40 majority in the Senate, such as that enjoyed by Dems since the disaster of 2008? Then you need Republicans from blue states, just as the Dems needed senators from Arkansas, Nebraska, etc., who claim to hold moderate views, but are more concerned with their power and could thus be brow-beaten and bribed into supporting things like Obamacare.
You can keep your ideological purity. I want a majority, because I’m tired of listening to Democrats laugh at and deride the will of the American people. How about you?
5!
tacoslayer (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 8:07PM EST (link)nt
Gee...it's tacoslayer giving a 5 to an anti-conservative post.
eburke (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 8:21PM EST (link)I’m stunned.
/swoons onto floor.
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
Unified Patriots
It's about getting and keeping a GOP majority.
tacoslayer (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 8:23PM EST (link)If you don’t understand that I can’t help you.
Have a nice evening!!
RIght - because following your strategy of electing
eburke (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 8:38PM EST (link)moderates and governing like Dem-lites brought us from a minority party in 2004 to having a filibuster-proof senate in 2008.
Oh….wait a minute.
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
Unified Patriots
tacoslayer, getting that magical R majority is only going to help us
janis (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 11:20PM EST (link)if they don’t act like Dems when they get elected. We are through tolerating the comity act, we are completely over bipartisanship, and we are thoroughly sick of compromising every single thing we believe in because some anchorman or ink-stained wretch thinks that we’re extremists. To hell with all of that.
If we are to govern as people of principle, then it behooves us to elect the same.
So, of course, the solution is to elect someone
eburke (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 8:20PM EST (link)who on major issue after major issue votes with…..
Democrats.
Makes sense to me.
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
Unified Patriots
Majorities matter but straw men aren't persuasive
JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 8:57PM EST (link)The question isn’t can Delaware elect a DeMint clone. The questions in this current environment are (1) is Castle the best we can get away with (2) is O’Donnell capable of wining in the general and (3) would Castle be such a slam dunk that we as a party would be better off supporting him so we don’t have to give him any money.
I don’t think the answer to (1) is yes. Not sure about (2), and I generally don’t like the tactical manuever suggested in (3).
What are Obama’s favorability ratings in Delaware at the moment?
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Excellent points, JSobieski and excellent analysis.
eburke (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 9:10PM EST (link)To answer your question, I believe the last Ras #s I saw had Bambi’s approval ratings in the low 50s (53 sticks in my mind) and upper 40s disapprove. IOW, higher than the national average but not as high as some of the liberal bastions like MA, CA, NY or VT.
I’m not sure Christine could win this race in a different cycle, but who would’ve ever thought that Chris Christie could win in NJ, or that 3 incumbent senators would be knocked out in their primaries, or that Scott Brown would win in MA.
This is an election cycle unlike anything I’ve ever seen in my 35 years of being a political junkie. People are scared, people are pissed, people are tired of career politicians. Coons is. Castle is. Christine is not.
There’s a reason Ras has shown Castle’s support steadily eroding. He and Coons are almost identical on the issues. Castle is a politician who works in Washington. Coons is a politican who works in DE.
So in an anti-incumbent year, anti-Washington year where you have two people virtually identical on the issues, which one are ya going to choose?
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
Unified Patriots
I don't doubt that this is O'Donnell's best shot
JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 9:17PM EST (link)But it seems to me that she will have big problems if Obama’s favorability is still above 50.
Candidates matter. Brown is a charismatic guy who ran a great campaign. Florida, Alaska, Kentucky, and other successful insurgent states are center-right not solid left.
I do think that O’Donnell lacks success in her pre-political life. I think the money issues hurt her on that point. People want to vote for someone who has succeeded before, whether its running a business, practicing medicine, a previous position in government, etc.
While I think that O’Donnell’s positions in the form of a more accomplished candidate could be part of “the wave”, I predict that Delaware will join the California side of things.
Don’t get me wrong, I want her to win and would vote for her if I could, but I also voted for Steve Forbes in the R Presidential primaries of 1996 and 2000.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Hey...we have something in common! So did I :-)
eburke (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 9:33PM EST (link)And btw, I’m not saying this would be a piece of cake but it ain’t gonna be one with Castle either. You’ve got several factors going here – Obama’s favorability rating in a state as liberal as DE isn’t anything to write home about; Dem turnout nationwide has been down, GOP participation is way up, and Indenpendents are breaking *huge* for the GOP even in states like NJ and MA.
But the bottom line, J, is that if you look at the posting histories of all the people who come onto RS to bash Christine you’ll find one of two things – they’re either short-termers who comment only on the DE race, or they’re posters who have a history of consistently talking down conservative candidates in any race in which they are running against a liberal/moderate candidate.
They then come on here and spew their thin gruel about Christine’s supposed fiscal issues and their “I don’t like Castle’s voting record but….” screeds.
They’re not posting in good faith…they don’t give a rat’s ass about conservatives and conservatism in *any* state, and I refuse to let them get away with it.
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
Unified Patriots
Trust me, I realize that many the pro-Castle postings are trolls
JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 10:28PM EST (link)but that doesn’t necessarily determine whether they are right or not. I also appreciate the fact that nobody has tried ripping me a new one, because I am not a Castle fan. My goal is the same as everyone elses–to have the most conservative Senate we can get.
Trolls clearly don’t have our best interests at heart, but sometimes, people can be accidentally right. I do wish I had a better (i.e. more comprehensive) sense of who O’Donnell is. I don’t like the idea of someone with a lot of personal financial trouble running for elected office. Unless the story behind the trouble is “the government shut down my business because of an endangered fruit fly” I would prefer to have people in office who are less likely to be financially tempted.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Some of the O'Donnell zealots are trolls too (nt)
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Yup, there are many different stripes of troll. -nt-
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That would be because you are posting in good faith, J
eburke (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 10:38PM EST (link)unlike all the pro-Castle moby’s that have infested this site.
I’ve spent a bunch of time on this thread tonight so I’ve got to call it a night but I tell ya what. Since I’m obviously a McDonnell fan (and obviously not a Castle fan) because I *have* looked into these things, I’ll carve out part of my day tomorrow and answer ‘em all for ya. Some have been answered in other parts of this thread, others have not.
But the Cliff’s notes version is yeah, Christine has had some financial struggles in her life, ‘specially around college and post-college. That makes her a helluva lot more like the average American than the entrenched, elite political class as represented by Mike Castle. But the vast majority of the ‘financial issues’ that are being talked about by Castle shills and campaign operatives are just bogus and rather easily explained.
In fact, I’ll take one real quick – all that garbage about Christine using campaign funds to pay for her rent and her utilities. Uh, that would be because she uses a part of her house as her campaign headquarters. Which, btw, the FEC allows every bit as much as the IRS allows deductions for home offices. So…if you’re a Castle shill you look at that and sinesterly announce that Christine is using campaign funds for living expenses. Or, you can look at that and say “hmmm…trying to save money anyway you can because it’s a lot less expensive to ‘rent’ your house to your campaign than it is a separate building.”
It’s all in how you choose to look at things.
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Majorities matter if the vote like they are a majority.
The_Gadfly (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 9:49PM EST (link)When they cave to the RINOs on every critical issue you get elections like 2006 and 2008. Those turned out real well for all of us didn’t they?
Castle voted for Cap and Trade and TARP. I say stick a fork in him. I’d help myself but I’m stuck in the People’s Republic of MD so don’t give me any crap about posters who aren’t from Blue states not understanding what is at stake.
You're tired of listening to the Dems laugh at and deride the will of the American people?
janis (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 11:25PM EST (link)Well, sally, you better strap on a pair because R’s winning majorities in the House and even the Senate is not going to stop the giggling on the left. It’s what they do. It’s all they do.
So forget their tittering and get down to brass tacks. Do we have beliefs about how to best govern this land or not? If the answer is “Yes, by the Constitution”, then full steam ahead. If the answer is, “I just want to win”, then you’re John McCain posting under a user name and I don’t want to talk to you .
Yeah...because Mike Castle will certainly vote for Jim Demint
eburke (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 4:33PM EST (link)for Majority Leader.
/rolls eyes
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Who did Delaware vote for when a conservative (noun) was running for President?
pilgrim (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 2:18PM EST (link)Delaware voted for Reagan in 1980 and 1984. They also voted for Bush in 1988. There has not been a conservative (noun) on the ballot since Reagan, and Delaware has voted for the D each time.
There has been a mountain of change
rdelbov Wednesday, September 1st at 3:08PM EST (link)in this country since Reagan left 1988. DE & a lot of the NE has drifted away from GOP conservatism.
Delaware did , however, elected a super conservative in Piere DuPont VI in 1976 & 1980.
A Chris Christie type of conservative would probably do well in DE this year. NJ is right next to DE and has had a very similar voting history.
Gov Christie, however, had a long resume of honorable public service. Christie O. has a long history of bad debts and shady campaign funding tricks. Great idea but she is a trojan horse for Coons.
DE & a lot of the NE shifted from the GOP, but
Right Reason (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 4:15PM EST (link)not from conservatism. If anything, the GOP shifted from conservatism and that’s why they have lost.
Sometimes you’ve got to step back and not think like a political junkie.There are a lot of people who don’t follow politics every day as we do. They’re not into ideology. They just want the government to work. They saw a Replublican run government that didn’t work. So they replaced it. Now, they see a Democrat government that’s even worse. So they’ll replace it. No ideology; the Republicans are just the “other” this time around. And the next time we’ll be the other. And if we don’t deliver – WE’RE out.
Chris Christie is not a “type” of conservative; he IS conservative. He gets the most fundamentally conservative idea; government should work for the people, not the other way around. People will support him because when they know that you get that one idea, you aren’t going to screw them over somewhere else.
Admittedly neither is perfect, but hold Mike Castle and Christine O’Donnell up to the Chris Christie model above. Who’s closer?
Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.
- Winston Churchill
yep. You get what I meant. nt
pilgrim (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 4:22PM EST (link)Wow. Bingo.
Mary Beth (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 5:36PM EST (link)“A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.” ~ Ronald Reagan
For the record
Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 2:23PM EST (link)I’m neutral on this primary. Don’t try to drag me into it or infer that I’m on one side or the other.
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I wasn't...
trt1 Wednesday, September 1st at 3:33PM EST (link)I wasn’t dragging you in if you took my comment to be directed at you. It wasn’t. You were reporting the situation. I understood that. Was responding to folks who have thrown their hands up in the air and think Castle would work just fine since he has an R after his name. Obviously, some hunger for the majority so much that they are willing to overlook the fact Castle is probably more of a liberal than John Kerry.
Don't be a coward Neil
nolimecalcare Wednesday, September 1st at 9:57PM EST (link)No candidate is perfect. Christine is a solid conservative and that is what we need in the senate. If we’re going to take back this party we’re not going to do it with the Mike Castles of the world. Stand up for your principals and some fights you’ll win and some you’ll lose. Have faith in the people of Delaware to do the right thing. If Massachusetts Republicans put forward an articulate candidate more conservative than Scott Brown they would have won. Obama and his cleptocrats are toxic waste now and for very good reason.
G'bye
Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 10:23PM EST (link)How’s that for standing up for my principles?
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texasproud (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 3:48PM EST (link)Is Castle a perfect conservative? Probably not. Is Christine O’Donnell electable? Probably not. Will Castle win a general election contest against Coons? Probably. I understand people want to elect more Jim Demints and Tom Coburns, but sometimes you need to take a step back, TAKE EMOTION OUT OF IT, and make a rational decision. Christine O’Donnell is not a good candidate-she got killed the last time she ran. While Castle might not be as a great of a conservative as you want, there is a HUGE difference between him and Coons. By electing an extra Republican, you get an extra GOP member, who would be more conservative, on each committee which we don’t have now. Throwing this race to a flawed candidate who needs a Coakley-esque collapse to win a seat that we normally would have no shot at winning when we can easily win it with a good candidate is asinine to me. As an conservative, I make my decisions based off the facts, experience, and quality of a candidate, not out of pure emotion.
$1.6 Trillion deficit, $800 million to Hamas to rebuild West Bank, kowtowing to the whims and demands of Hugo Chavez, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and Raul Castro, and bowing before a Saudi Prince. I guess that’s ‘Change we can believe in’
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I respect your opinion, but
Right Reason (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 4:36PM EST (link)don’t EVER call Mike Castle a good candidate, unless winning is the only thing that matters to you. I happen to thing winning is the means, not the end.
Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.
- Winston Churchill
You lost me when you referred to Castle as a "good candidate"
eburke (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 4:40PM EST (link)I don’t even buy the argument that he’s the only one that can win in DE but at least that argument has a shred of validity.
For you to refer to Castle as a “good candidate” means that you are a) either totally unaware of how far left he is (feel free to educate yourself here: http://73wire.com/2010/07/when-a-pictures-worth-more-than-488-words/); or, b) you’re yet another Castle shill whose been sent to bombard the blogs because the Castle campaign has been unnerved by the Miller upset.
Based on the content of your post, and the fact that in 1 year this is only the 2nd comment you’ve ever made, my money’s on the latter.
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You think I'm a lurker?
texasproud (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 12:55PM EST (link)I hate to break it to you, I don’t normally comment because it is pointless to preach to the choir. Too many people on our side allow themselves to get riled up and stop making decisions rationally and start making decisions out of pure emotion. They allow perfect become the enemy of the good, and we end up with the worst of both worlds. Mike Castle is not as conservative as me or most of the people on this blog, but neither is Delaware. We are not talking about Alabama or Oklahoma, we are talking about a state that mirrors California in their voting. I understand the desire to elect as many conservatives as possible, and to avoid supporting anymore snakes like Charlie Crist, Tom Tancredo, and Arlen Specter who are more interested in themselves than the people they serve. Christine O’Donnell is not a viable candidate, She did not perform well in her previous attempts because people in Delaware saw her as a flawed candidate. This is the same weak attempt to defend JD Hayworth as a legitimate candidate. Every conservatives has been irritated with McCain for MULTIPLE reasons, but just because McCain isn’t perfect, doesn’t mean a guy who talks a good game, but has, at best, a spotty record should replace him. My biggest point, which I hope others realize that, for all of the flaws the GOP has had for the past decade, there are SIGNIFICANT differences between the two parties. If McCain was President, we don’t have Sotomayer and Kagan on the Supreme Court, 800$ billion for labor unions under the title ‘stimulus’, and government run health care. That is not debatable. I want us to send a message to our elected officials that we have had enough, but I am not about cutting off my nose to spite my face. We made that mistake and now we are having to dig out of an extremely deep hole because we allowed the democrats to take over and litigate our lives.
$1.6 Trillion deficit, $800 million to Hamas to rebuild West Bank, kowtowing to the whims and demands of Hugo Chavez, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and Raul Castro, and bowing before a Saudi Prince. I guess that’s ‘Change we can believe in’
http://practicalgopvoter.blogspot.com/
Christine got killed running an underfunded campaign
Right Reason (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 4:59PM EST (link)half-heartedly backed by an ineffectual state GOP that was chock full of go-along-to get-along Republicans. She ran against a 20+ year incumbent with a MASSIVE $$$ advantage.
BTW, if you think Castle’s a good candidate and O’Donnell is the flawed one, you’re an odd sort of a conservative.
Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.
- Winston Churchill
A good candidate requires both good policy positions and good "candidate skills"
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 12:48PM EST (link)The idea that someone with good policy positions is somehow automatically precluded from being a flawed candidate is to stick one’s head in the sand.
Policy is the most important criteria and should in fact be a prerequisite for being a good candidate. However, being a good candidate involves other things as well.
I don’t think saying O’Donnell is a flawed candidate makes someone an “odd sort of conservative.”
I would call it being able to view a situation more objectively than through what you want to be true.
I was a Fred Head in 2008 because of his policy positions and some intangibles. He campaign was however quite flawed, but my desire to see him succeed made it impossible to truely see what was happening.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
I was unaware of
ithos Wednesday, September 1st at 4:43PM EST (link)Christine’s baggage. I heard her on the radio with Levin and she was quite impressive and I greatly value his endorsement. Not to mention Erick supports her too. This is a quandary. I must presume that the negative stories are true as there has been no rebuttal. If so then I must concede that her detractors make some very valid points. Her underdog status should not be an issue but a checkered past definitely is.
Would like to hear more from her supporters in Delaware regarding these charges.
Her website has the information you need
Right Reason (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 5:11PM EST (link)http://christine2010.com/
To summarize:
The IRS lien was an admitted error on the IRS’s part as she was working with the IRS to resolve the tax issue – a tax issue which came up, coincidentally, after she was audited during her run against Joe Biden.
Her house was NOT foreclosed on, nor was foreclosure threatened. It was sold. Period.
Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.
- Winston Churchill
Yes, winning is all that matters in DE
MOlsen6 (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 6:28PM EST (link)I’ve read enough. Cook has already stated that if Castle wins, DE becomes likely GOP, if O’Donnell wins, it becomes Dem Safe. Sorry folks, the choice is obvious. I happen to believe that the Senate is in play this election, but not if we lose DE, KY, or AK. OH, IL, WI, WA and CA are going to be TOUGH. We need a blowout in DE, and Castle can deliver so resources can be sent elsewhere.
MOlsen6
"Castle can deliver" ... just ask those who paid for his TARP vote. nt
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 6:43PM EST (link)conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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And you think Coons is better? nt
MOlsen6 (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 7:02PM EST (link)MOlsen6
No, actually I'm thinking Aaron thinks Christine is better. -nt-
eburke (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 7:11PM EST (link)“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
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Nope.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 7:41PM EST (link)Keep guessing though, it’s fun to watch you mobys work.
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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You have a rather interesting posting history, MOlsen6 -
eburke (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 7:32PM EST (link)Let’s see, in over 2 years you have made exactly 8 comments. In those 8 comments you have:
Called Jim DeMint an idiot
Supported TARP because, in your words, the free market isn’t rational
Said that the tax level in the country isn’t that bad for you and that you don’t really mind crap & tax because it wouldn’t really affect you
Called the Tea Parties a “media disaster”
Trashed Pamela Gorman and Sam Crump, the 2 most conservative candidates in a very Red district that you say you live in (hmmm…guess that took care of the whole “I’m for moderates in places where conservatives can’t win” angle you try to sell)
You called various Arizona Tea Party groups “border vigilantes”
No wonder you llike Castle, he doesn’t trust the free market, trashes conservatives as a bunch of rubes, supported TARP, voted for Crap & Tax, and hates the Tea Parties.
Nice mobying job for the last 2 years, dude. You’re actually not bad at it.
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We are debating apples and oranges
texasproud (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 1:05PM EST (link)If Castle wins the GOP Primary, he will win the general election
If O’Donnell wins the GOP Primary, Coons wins the general election
It’s that cut and dry. The real questions is would you rather have a 100% liberal who will do whatever Obama whenever he wants or a Republican who strays from conservatism more than we would want, but would be with us more than he would be against us. We’ve been ok with 100% liberal over a candidate who isn’t 100% conservative, and for a year, until Scott Brown’s election, were stuck with a filibuster Senate where we were irrelevant in stopping anything. There is no such thing as a perfect candidate and every one of them is going to disappoint you at one time or another. We are not electing a messiah but an imperfect human being. I would rather elect someone who is with me 70% of the time than with somebody who is with me 0%.
$1.6 Trillion deficit, $800 million to Hamas to rebuild West Bank, kowtowing to the whims and demands of Hugo Chavez, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and Raul Castro, and bowing before a Saudi Prince. I guess that’s ‘Change we can believe in’
http://practicalgopvoter.blogspot.com/
If you want to elect someone who's with you 70%
eburke (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 2:19PM EST (link)of the time, you’ll have to find someone other than Mike Castle.
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
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He can deliver
Black River Wolf (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 7:52PM EST (link)votes for Crap and Tax and give his friends more pork. Great Maybe we should just elect Coons, not much difference really.
Maybe we can have some more TARP funds go to his banking buddies again.
We are for Conservatives here, not people that will just go on as normal and vote more for Nancy Pelosi and company
“In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame,
two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress.”—-John Adams
So you're taking a Dem pollster's word for who will win the general?
The_Gadfly (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 9:54PM EST (link)Please. I would have a hard time counting the columns posted here on how to correct for his liberal bias.
Hey Right Reason...
ffc99 Thursday, September 2nd at 3:06AM EST (link)you’re right that Christine’s house wasn’t foreclosed on, however, her mortgage company sued her because she wasn’t paying her mortgage and obtained a 90k judgment against her. A sheriff’s sale was set for her home, and that sale was only avoided because Christine sold her house to her then lawyer/boyfriend.
You're right...
ffc99 Wednesday, September 1st at 5:24PM EST (link)her house wasn’t foreclosed, her mortgage company actually got a 90k judgment against her…
I notice how you’ve conveniently only attempted to rebut two of the financial/legal problems Christine has been dealing over the past few years. Care to try to explain away the others?
Care to explain away Castle's liberal voting record,
eburke (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 7:41PM EST (link)his F ratings from the NRA and NRTL, his lowest in the Republican caucus ratings from ACU and Club for Growth and the millions in his campaign chest from the company’s, PACs and indivduals who benefitted from his TARP vote
(oh, and btw, if you’d have been here more than 4 months and 2 days, you might have actually learned to use the “Reply To” button by now).
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I would imagine...
ffc99 Wednesday, September 1st at 7:47PM EST (link)I’ve been reading Redstate longer than you, considering I’ve been doing so since the day Mike K put this site on the web. Just didn’t start commenting till recently.
As for Mike Castle, I’m no fan of the man, but we as conservatives shouldn’t let our dislike for one candidates voting record lead us to support another candidate who may tell us what we want to hear, but lacks the requisite experience and integrity to serve in the Senate.
So we should
Black River Wolf (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 7:56PM EST (link)just give up and let the Establishment GOP go and spend our money on more TARP and Crap and Tax. Not me, I would rather go for some new blood that speaks my language of lower taxes and less spending.
“In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame,
two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress.”—-John Adams
Who is this "we" YOU speak of?....
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 7:57PM EST (link)Castle is the biggest liberal Republican to come up this election cycle since Bennett in Colorado so WE Conservatives deign to put the CONSERVATIVE candidate on the general election ballot thank you very much! Suffice it to say the Conservatives will take their chances in EVERY State in November because that is how WE roll!
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Way to not answer the question, ffc99 -nt-
eburke (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 8:18PM EST (link)“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
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Wow...
ffc99 Wednesday, September 1st at 8:33PM EST (link)you really are dense, aren’t you? I said I’m no fan of Castle and his voting record. I have no interest in defending that record. But that doesn’t change the fact that Christine O’Donnell has no interest being anywhere near a US Senate seat. Would you seriously have no problems voting for a candidate with her financial problems and wafer thin resume? Because I certainly would. I guess I just actually expect candidates for the Senate to be qualified and have a little personal integrity.
Yeah, and Mike Castle with his millions of dollars
eburke (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 8:48PM EST (link)that he received from the banks he bailed out is a pillar of integrity.
Oh, and btw, Christine’s resume may be ‘thin’, but considering she’s never held elected office before (which, in case you haven’t figured out applies to *everyone* before they’ve held their first elected office) I’m not exactly sure what you’re expecting. (and I’m pretty sure she’s interested in being a Senator otherwise I’m thinknig she wouldn’t be running). But I guarantee you that I’d rather have her ‘thin’ resume and conservative values then have Mike Castle’s thick resume of votes against life, guns, fiscal sanity, free speech, energy independence, and enforced borders.
He isn’t a moderate. He’s an out and out liberal who has already said that if he wins he’ll feel no compunction about ‘reaching across the aisle’.
That you can so blithely dismiss such a horrendous record speaks more to your true beliefs than it does to my denseness.
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
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Is it a conservative value...
ffc99 Wednesday, September 1st at 9:08PM EST (link)to fail to pay your college tuition? Is it a conservative value to run for Senate in 2008 and then refuse to pay for goods and services used in that campaign? Is it a conservative value to purchase a home and then refuse to pay for it? Is it a conservative value to file a frivolous lawsuit against a former employer? Is it a conservative value to pay part of your rent/utilities with campaign funds? Is it a conservative value to repeatedly fail to file required FEC paperwork? You know, I understand that people run into hard times and sometimes may default on a loan, etc., but there seems to be a real pattern here with Christine. Unlike most decent Americans, she doesn’t seem to think that the rules should apply to her. As far as I’m concerned she only says she shares our conservative values, she certainly doesn’t live them…
Hmmm....is it a conservative value
eburke (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 9:23PM EST (link)to vote against life at every turn?
to vote against free speech (the Disclose Act)
to vote so often against the 2nd Ammendment that you receive an F rating?
to vote for higher taxes?
to vote for government bailouts of private companies?
to appear at a photo op with Obama and company at the signing of the embryonic stem cell bill?
to vote for higher taxes?
to vote for cap & trade?
to vote for the nationalization of banks?
to vote to saddle our children and grandchildren with trillions of dollars in deficits?
And you want to call into question Christine’s conservative bona fides because of whatever financial struggles she may have had (most of which have been explained and are nothing more than Castle talking points) while blithely ignoring in a sentence or two Mike Castle’s leftist voting record.
The fact that you just typed the screed you just did railing against Christine’s ‘failure’ to live by ‘conservative values’ while dismissing Castle’s serial lefitst votes with a single, dismissive sentence tells me all I need to know about where you’re really coming from.
Moby.
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Ok eburke...
ffc99 Thursday, September 2nd at 12:40AM EST (link)let me spell it out for you because you clearly have issues with reading comprehension… Mike Castle is not a conservative. I’ve never said that, and I don’t think anybody posting on this thread would make that silly argument. I don’t know what more you want me to say about him. He is a liberal Republican.
Back to Christina. You are being completely disingenuous when you say that Christina’s financial problems (“struggles” as you put it) have been explained. Unless by explained you mean to say that she’s basically admitted to being a deadbeat when it comes to meeting her financial obligations. And, as far as I’m concerned, that proves she isn’t a conservative either. But I guess that you think it’s ok for a person to spend beyond their means, fail to live up to their financial obligations and file frivolous lawsuits (well, I suspect that if it was a liberal Democrat we were talking about instead of Christine you’d be shouting from the rooftops that that candidate was not fit for public office…). It’s really simple eburke, Christine O’Donnell is not fit to be a United States Senator.
So your position boils down to this:
Right Reason (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 7:29AM EST (link)-Christine O’Donnell has personal financial issues so I will not support her.
-Mike Castle is not conservative but I will support him.
I guess winning is the only thing then, eh?
Excuse us, but here at Red State winning is the means to the end of implementing conservative policies; it is not the end in itself.
If you think that personal financial issues are more disqualifying than an extensive voting record against conservative issues, then you are either a.) not conservative at all or b.) an idiot.
Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.
- Winston Churchill
The phrase "thin resume" made me think of Justice Souter
JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 9:33PM EST (link)One problem in going with a thin resume is that you don’t know how much DC will change the person.
Look back at the 94 crowd. Some were corrupted slowly, others more rapidly.
Is putting someone with trouble paying her bills into the Senate like sending an alcoholic to a liquor store?
I think that question is the most pro-Castle question I could ask.
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Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Understood to a point, J, but
eburke (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 9:45PM EST (link)a) most of these ‘charges’ are nothing but Castle talking points because he doesn’t want to discuss the issues and have been answered by the O’Donnell campaign and, b) no, I can’t guarantee how Christine is going to vote once she gets to Washington anymore than I can any of the other conservative who are running for office this year but have never held elective office before.
But what I *can* guarantee, based on his very long voting history, is that Mike Castle *will* vote like the liberal he is.
Guaranteed.
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We don't really disagree----I just wish I was happier
JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 10:35PM EST (link)with the available options.
I wish Castle was more like Scott Brown. I also wish O’Donnell was more like Rubio. Either transformation would make this an easier call.
I know Castle voted against the stimulus and voted against Obamacare. I also know Castle supports Cap and Trade. Does he support Card Check?
Look for a Castle-Kirk nexis of trouble if the R’s take the Senate.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Well then tool it makes her like MILLIONS of Americans....
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 7:42PM EST (link)because NOT everyone can have the millions of a John Kerry oh no Christine O’Donnell is NOT part of the Political Class she is just like the people she wants to serve and that is why she is the BETTER choice!
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I'd rather a Democrat win...
cbc80 Wednesday, September 1st at 7:32PM EST (link)…then a far left repubican.
But just like Rubio, and Bennett, and Angle, and Miller before her…I see an O’Donnell victory in the offiing.
The cavalry is coming! (in the Tea Party busses)
Remove the nose to spite thy face?
BA Cyclone (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 9:02AM EST (link)I fear that is possible, but at the end of the day I agree with you. R’s who vote like Castle, frankly make “Republicans” harder to sell everywhere.
IF we are talking about Castle being vote #51 and capturing the Senate, versus not then maybe the choice is obvious.
BUT I think that requires us to assume that someone who actually votes as a conservative and holds conservative ideals (instead of just talking like one during a campaign) could not possibly win in Delaware. I cannot accept that premise. Maybe it is true, but shall we give up the fight for conservatism in any corner of this great land?
If the principles of liberty in economic and fiscal policy are plainly articulated, versus the socialist policies that Castle has voted for, we must accept that the former message will not win?
I understand the game of politics is bigger than that, but good grief it seems to me that surrendering the fight for conservative principles before it’s even begun is a hard pill to swallow. Frankly I’d prefer that a Democrat gets elected and votes for socialist policies rather than a Republican. Cap-and-trade, are you SERIOUS? There is nothing “republican” about that.
I am not advocating for down-the-line purity on all issues here, but if we can’t even get kinda-purity on fiscal policy and the role of government in our lives, then why bother even having a Republican platform?
And with Castle’s voting record – we are also suppose to assume he’d turn and vote WITH the R’s on any dependable basis. What kind of “control” over the Senate would that look like?
“If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions.” — James Madison
“Electing Republicans who don’t have the courage of their convictions may be easier in some circumstances, but it won’t save our country.” — Jim DeMint
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And O'Donnell is right...
cbc80 Wednesday, September 1st at 7:48PM EST (link)…she takes office immediately. She can stop a lame duck cap & tax and card check the loons are planning.
I just don’t buy that she can’t win the general election. Neighter could Scott Brown. The people in this country are pissed off. And the polls are all way off.
Missouri heath care mandate went down by 71% The polls said 58% were against. Miller won by 1% when the polls had him down 15-20. There’s a revolution going on in this country. One i’ve never seen before in my many years. And it’s happening without a shot being fired.
Sorry...
ffc99 Wednesday, September 1st at 7:53PM EST (link)the Scott Brown comparison doesn’t work here. Scott Brown was a moderate to liberal Republican running in a liberal state. He was also a State Senator at the time he was elected and had an impressive personal and professional resume. Christine is a very conservative Republican running in a liberal state (although to be fair, Delaware is not as far to the left as Mass). She is dogged by ethical questions and has a wafer thin resume. If, somehow, Christine gets the nomination, she will not be pulling off a Scott Brown like upset….
I love how clear your crystal ball is. Where can I purchase one? nt
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 8:04PM EST (link)conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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You don't need one...
cbc80 Wednesday, September 1st at 8:16PM EST (link)…just clean of your glasses.
So, to clarify, DE is to the right of MA, so we should elect somone
eburke (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 8:49PM EST (link)who is to the left of Brown.
Got it!
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Wow...
ffc99 Wednesday, September 1st at 9:06PM EST (link)you really aren’t the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you?
Hey...you're the one that said it. -nt-
eburke (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 10:09PM EST (link)“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
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Oh, eburke...
ffc99 Thursday, September 2nd at 12:23AM EST (link)I fear for this country exactly because of folks like you…
As Neil said above, trolls come here in all manner of guises.
TNJim (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 12:50AM EST (link)Which one are you? Interesting you didn’t reply to eburke’s questions here but instead resort to personal attacks above.
Yeah, I’m calling Hinz rule on you.
I did reply...
ffc99 Thursday, September 2nd at 1:05AM EST (link)to eburke TNJim. You just appear to be unable to comprehend what I said. Like I said, it’s folks like you that make me fear for this country…
hey idiot, want to explain your comment about TNJim and EBurke?....
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 5:42AM EST (link)How in the hell is it that those fine Patriots make YOU fear for your Country and really the answer will be that YOU are some big Mike Castle liberal who wants to DESTROY this Country with Crap & Tax and those Patriots stand in the way of your Socialistic desires!
I suspect you have come to the WRONG Conservative site to espouse to support for the big old lefty known as Mike Castle!
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No, that would be because you never answered the question
eburke (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 9:49AM EST (link)Instead, you did what most folks do when they can’t substantively answer a question – you turned to ad hominem personal attacks.
The vitriol and volume of words with which you attack Christine for her ‘financial proligacy’ vs your airy dismissal of Castle’s atrocious records with a few words and zero emotion tells me all I really know about your true conservative bona fides.
Apparently, Christine renting a portion of her house to her campaign makes her unfit for the Senate but Castle’s acceptance of millions of dollars of campaign contributions from those who benefit from his Congressional votes does not.
You believe that not adhering to every jot and tittle of the arcane FEC regulations is worse than repeatedly voting to gut the 2nd Ammendment that the Framers placed into our Constitution to protect our liberty.
That falling behind but later paying off a student loan is worse than voting to restrict the very foundation of political speech protected within the First Ammendment.
In your world, engaging in the moral, legal and ethical act of selling your house to a friend in order meet your moral obligation is worse than repeatedly voting to saddle your children and grandchildren with trillions of dollars of debt that they had no say in incurring.
And finally, struggling to pay off campaign debts reflects a total lack of conservative values beyond which you are able to support but voting repeatedly to allow and expand our collective ability to murder millions of defenseless babies while they reside in their mother’s womb does not.
And I’m dense and make you fear for the future of our country.
Whatever.
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Aaron Gardner (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 9:56AM EST (link)Absolutely outstanding comment.
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Great analysis, eburke. And that is the problem for
penguin2 (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 11:46AM EST (link)ffc99, understanding who has caused the disastrous course this country has taken. Incumbent Republican critters like Mr. Castle, are part of the problem, not part of the solution.
But ffc99, you might want to look in the mirror and say these words to yourself…the ones you uttered with contempt at eburke, and add the rest of us to that list – regular, traditional Americans who have common sense and pride and love of country.
Yes, ffc99, these words, be sure you are looking in the mirror.
Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. – Benjamin Franklin
When Good stands up to Evil, Evil blinks. – Vassar Bushmills
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Gotta go get more 5s for my keyboard, Lady P. -nt-
eburke (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 11:59AM EST (link)“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
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Oh, and...
ffc99 Thursday, September 2nd at 1:10AM EST (link)TNJim, just for my edification, do you think that people who live beyond their means, refuse to pay their bills and file frivolous lawsuits can be fairly characterized as conservatives?
Depends on the reasons why
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 1:14AM EST (link)People go broke for all sorts of reasons. “Refusing” to pay bills if you have no money is a result of going broke. Henry Ford went broke before creating a company that provided the largest return to the original investors in the history of the world.
Frivolous lawsuits are a different matter, but as an attorney, I know that the characterization of “frivolous” is often subjective.
If you want to read a truly frivolous lawsuit, check out the case of God v. Reagan on Westlaw or NEXIS.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
This is the mother of frivolous lawsuits
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 1:20AM EST (link)http://www.lectlaw.com/files/fun02.htm
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Good link JS
qixlqatl (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 1:33AM EST (link)Some of those anecdotes are highly amusing.
“Yet, Freedom! yet thy banner, torn, but flying,
Streams like the thunderstorm against the wind.”
George Gordon Noel Byron
There is another fun case where
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 1:37AM EST (link)someone filed a complaint against Mephistopheles and it was dismissed for lack of personal jurisdiction.
I think the case was wrongly decided, it should have been dismissed for lack of subject matter jurisdiction—the devil is after all present in all jurisdictions on earth.
Anyway, God v. Reagan is a funny case–I wish I could have provided a link to the entire opinion. I for one am suprised that a person was able to change their name to God.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
My favorite was the kid
qixlqatl (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 1:44AM EST (link)who tried to pay his fine with $6 cash and a $10 crack rock…dumb crook news, here I come!
“Yet, Freedom! yet thy banner, torn, but flying,
Streams like the thunderstorm against the wind.”
George Gordon Noel Byron
I have a JD as well JSobieski...
ffc99 Thursday, September 2nd at 1:20AM EST (link)and I think that the circumstances of Christine’s case scream frivolous suit. She claims she dropped her employment discrimination suit because she couldn’t afford her lawyer anymore. Don’t you think if her case had any merit she could have found some lawyer to take the case on a contingency basis? You know how many bottom feeding lawyers are out there….
Well then you know that even bottom feeders won't take
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 1:26AM EST (link)cases on contingency fee unless the damage amount passes a certain threshold. Heck, bottom feeders take frivolous cases if the potential damages are high even if the probability of winning isn’t.
I know nothing about the case or the underlying allegations. While I am generally 100% in for the tea party insurgent candidates, I must admit that O’Donnell makes me the most nervous. I definitely don’t like the debts issue or the lawsuit issue. However, given how facts are spun, I don’t have confidence in the accuracy of what I read.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Yes...
ffc99 Thursday, September 2nd at 1:39AM EST (link)but you know that threshold is very low. How many auto accident lawyers are out there making a living off of getting a bunch of 15-20k settlements? I just find it hard to believe she couldn’t find some lawyer to prosecute her employment discrimination claim if there was the least bit of merit to it. It looks to me like she was fired for cause (because she was conducting private business on company time) and was ticked about it, filed a suit thinking that she could scare her employer into a quick settlement and was ultimately frustrated because her employer wasn’t willing to lay down without a fight.
One question for you JSobieski, why don’t you have confidence in the accuracy of what you read? All the issues Christine is dealing with are matters of public record.
Because there is a lot of spinning going on
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 1:49AM EST (link)For example, the blogs/reporting on the “voter fraud” in Alaska far overstated what the actual correspondence on the issue with the state Alaska said. The headlines and innuenda far outstretched the facts.
By war of another example, here in Detroit there was a story about whether or not the Palace of Auburn Hills has paid their property taxes. A lien has been filed, and the stories on the topic 100% conflict with each other. Nobody denies that a lien was placed, they just dispute the validity of the lien.
Well, O’Donnell isn’t denying the lawsuit (obviously that would clearly be untrue), but the dispute is simply on the merits of the lawsuit which I have not read. Without reading it, or at least knowing more of the facts, I withhold judgment.
I am not willing to say that the absence of a contingency fee lawyer means the lawsuit was frivolous.
Personal injury cases are in many instances the cheapest cases one can bring. Employment cases because of the he said/she said aspect can dissuade some from filing.
I work as a solo practitioner out of my house. I work primarily on IP and IT matters, but I do file collection cases from time to time. I wouldn’t take a collection case on contingency for $20k unless I knew the plaintiff very very well.
I am not in Delaware, and am not deeply plugged in to the point where I feel like I really know what is going on. When I operate at a superficial level of understanding, I try to keep myself in check and avoid flying off the deep end.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Fair enough...
ffc99 Thursday, September 2nd at 1:57AM EST (link)I appreciate your honesty and willingness to hear both sides on the “O’Donnell” issue. I don’t know if you’ve seen this article from the Wilmington newspaper which sets out in some detail Christine’s problems (full disclosure, the only link to this article I could find is at an anti-Christine website, unfortunately the News-Journal removes their articles from the web fairly quickly). I genuinely have no affection for Mike Castle (contrary to what some other posters would like to think) but like you I want Republicans to put forth competent, ethical and qualified Conservatives, and I just don’t think Christine fits the bill.
http://knowchristineodonnell.com/nj_032010.html
Thanks for the link
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 2:01AM EST (link)As you can tell, I am not big on characterizing people as trolls or otherwise challenging whether a comment is made in good faith.
I am a big believer in objective reality. A statement is either true or not. It either has evidence to support it or not. Frankly, whether or not someone is a shill for O’Donnell or Castle doesn’t impact the evidence they present.
Ihanks again for the link
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
That was a troubling link
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 2:43AM EST (link)The democrats will not let get away with the FEC violations without mentioning them big time. The fact that she is still “processing” invoices from previous campaigns is troubling. The overall tone is very much small time/amateur hour—and I don’t mean that in a good way.
“Her federal campaign committee reported $23,776 in debt, more than the $10,585 cash in her campaign account, according to her most recent filings with the Federal Elections Commission. The FEC has cited her eight times for failure to report her contributions between 2007 and 2009.
She owes outstanding payments to staffers, consultants and volunteers, according to a campaign finance filing from January.
“Many of the past campaign debts were from invoices that were not approved,” she said. “We’re in the process of processing the legitimate ones.”
O’Donnell said she is raising money to pay off the 2008 campaign debt and informing donors some of the money she gets now will be used to settle past campaign claims.”
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
JSobieski, make sure to google the author of that article ffc99 linked.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 8:49AM EST (link)Ginger Gibson is a lefty hack who dropped this oppo research article. All of this garbage is coming from Biden.
I would keep your circumspect eye on this.
I have seen certain documents which show that she paid off her debts and that the IRS made an error,
In my opinion, which I know is more informed that ffc99, O’Donnell got shafted in some cases and that caused the majority of her financial problems. Cascade effect, nothing nefarious on O’Donnell’s part.
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Do you have access
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 8:55AM EST (link)or a link to those docs? That would be useful in this discussion.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Aesthete...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 9:39AM EST (link)Sorry, but you will just have to trust me on this one. I got a look at something that isn’t in the public domain.
Keep your eyes peeled though, they may still go public.
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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Will do
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 1:32PM EST (link)Hopefully, our concerns are unfounded.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Links...
ffc99 Thursday, September 2nd at 9:40AM EST (link)please Aaron. I know you well enough to know that you’d be saying the same thing if someone else had offered such an opinion clearly unsupported by fact. However, I won’t hold my breath as I know you can’t support your “opinion” here (which actually seems to be a recurring situation with you…).
You are a lawyer right? Ever heard of a non disclosure agreement? nt
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 9:49AM EST (link)conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat
Follow @Aaron_RS
Oh come on...
ffc99 Thursday, September 2nd at 9:55AM EST (link)Aaron, even giving you the benefit of the doubt (which I really shouldn’t do given your posting history) all you said in the post above is that you’ve seen docs which show she paid off her IRS debt and that the IRS made a mistake. That still leaves us with all her other financial problems. And I’m quite sure you can’t explain those away.
Heh, question my posting history. Funny. nt
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 10:08AM EST (link)conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat
Follow @Aaron_RS
Well, after all, Aaron, you *have* only been registered on RS for
eburke (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 10:23AM EST (link)4 months and 3 days, you’ve posted more on this topic than all other topics combined, in those other topics that you *have* made, you almost always have denigrated the conservative position or candidate, and you’ve never written a diary.
Oh…wait a minute. That’s someone else I was thinking of.
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Heh, ;) nt
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 10:34AM EST (link)conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat
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While I understand that "posting history" can be given some weight at times
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 1:07PM EST (link)I think it is far overused on this site. Arguments can either be supported with facts that are publicly accessible or not. In certain contexts, like behind the scenes reporting, there is some value to the “trust me, I have a track record”.
Labels like moby, troll, etc. are undoubtedly applicable some of the time. However, arguments should either stand or fall based on merit, not the merit of the speaker.
How ironic that I take this position in a discussion about O’Donnell v. Castle, but I as general matter don’t care that much about who says the logic so much as what the logic is. I am however aware that others act differently.
Anyway, you may be disappointed to learn that Steve Forbes will not run again in 2012.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Well...
ffc99 Thursday, September 2nd at 11:25AM EST (link)you’re posting history suggests that your understanding of politics is, how can I put this kindly, somewhat limited.
Aaron is a site front-page contributor
Bill S (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 1:16PM EST (link)And considering that his credentials are established by a vote of the other contributors (including me), but yours are based simply on the ability to fill out a registration form, I don’t think you have much room to blather.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
Do arguments like this really make sense?
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 1:29PM EST (link)Shouldn’t arguments have to either stand or fall on their own merits?
In some cases (like confidential information reference above), I can understand the “you just have to trust me based on my track record” kind of appeal. Those pleas should be few and far between. In these primary discussions, too many people say things like “so how long have you been posting here, you 2 week wonder” etc.
Not that anyone is in any way obligated to listen to what I have to say on the topic, but:
(1) Labels like moby/troll get thrown around way too often/easily, and with increasing frequency. There should be a presumption of good faith if an actual argument is formulated, If there is an argument provided that can be refuted, it should be refuted. Labeling the messenger seems to be ducking the issue.
(2) Victory by posting history. Arguments were either true/supported by evidence or not. Whether Rush Limbaugh says it, or your neighbor down the street should rarely make a difference per se. Its the analysis that matters (Rush is a great analyst, but a great analysis stands alone from its author).
It seems like a lot of these primary discussions come down to calling the other person an idiot and challenging their posting history. I just don’t see that as persuasive if the purpose of arguing online is to can converts or at least plant the seeds of genuine doubt in the other side.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
JSobieski, I clearly was doing none of the things you reference though.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 1:56PM EST (link)I entered this thread to provide you with an alternative view point and pointed out that the originator of these accusations was a journalist hack who got this stuff from Biden.
I am privy to some things I can’t divulge, it is what it is. ffc99 decided to attack my credibility here, not the other way around.
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Agreed. My apologies. The comment was meant generally.
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 2:49PM EST (link)in this threat/circumstance, it was the anti-O’Donnell person who first raised the “posting history” issue, so a response on that point was appropriate.
My comment was made really in response to what I see happening in primary squables, most prominently the Alaska/Delaware primaries.
Unless a “posting history” is used as you used it (to acknowledge that a fact is not in the public record, and say I stand by it with my credibility), it shouldn’t really impact the argument.
If you look at the comments over the past couple of days, the ratio of “posting history” type comments is definitely rising. We would be better off addressing (as has been done now) the FEC and other issues rather than just questioning someones conservative bona fides or using other shoot the messenger responses.
My comment was targetting nneither you nor eburke
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
It's all good JSobieski...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 2:55PM EST (link)And I agree to an extent. Ever since the Utah primary we have had quite a few suspect people show up, we also know that certain establishment groups are purposefully signing up and trolling the diaries here.
Certainly people should limit the accusations to what they can reasonable prove by the posters commentary, but I don’t begrudge our regulars for being circumspect considering the circumstances.
Anyway, I hope that you go some objective facts out of all of this. That’s really all I came in here to provide.
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And it's pretty telling...
ffc99 Thursday, September 2nd at 11:29AM EST (link)that you didn’t address the substance of my post by attempting to explain why Ms. O’Donnell seems to find herself in financial straits so frequently. But to be fair to you, it’s pretty hard to defend the indefensible.
There was no substance there.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 12:14PM EST (link)What am I supposed to defend? People have monetary issues at times in their lives, it’s what they do to get out of those issues which proves their character.
O’Donnell paid off her debts and got the IRS to admit and correct and error that was the genesis of that debt.
And I will leave you with this; you’re lucky I even address you at all since you consistently fail to address the substance of any posts contrary to your preconceived notions.
You’ve been a one trick pony in your short time here, I don’t expect you to change.
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So her own quotes are fabricated or just out of date?
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 12:33PM EST (link)“Many of the past campaign debts were from invoices that were not approved,” she said. “We’re in the process of processing the legitimate ones.”
So she did run again knowing that her campaign had still not paid of the prior campaign debts? If I read that quote right, she started her 2010 campaign before she even completed the process of determining which previous campaign invoices should be paid.
What about the FEC violations?
These are the things that I would be interested to learn more about.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Again, I think it's genuine mistakes.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 1:59PM EST (link)The whole FEC process is set up to be just as complicated as the tax code. It’s a mine field and an inexperienced candidate who didn’t even have party backing racking up debt and getting caught in that minefield doesn’t surprise me.
Again, I think it was a genuine mistake, no nefarious intentions of back room dealings like we would surely get from Castle.
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I agree 100% w/this analysis, AG.
eburke (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 2:11PM EST (link)Having seen my Congressional Candidate have to file multiple amendments to his FEC filings from a previous campaign, FEC regs are like just about any other set of government regs, if they want to find something wrong, they will.
Again, I believe that this is all part of narrative the Castle campaign is trying to put together because they don’t want to have to discuss his record. So you try to take perfectly legitimate things like selling your house to a friend because you can’t afford it anymore and try to make it look sinister. Same thing with the whole ‘she uses campaign funds to pay for her living expenses’ which kinda ignores the fact that she uses part of her home as her campaign headquarters which is perfectlly legitimate under FEC regs.
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I don't doubt that it's an innocent mistake
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 2:58PM EST (link)but that sets a pretty low standard, and more importantly, it supports the meme of a candidate who can’t even manage her own/campaign’s affairs properly.
Competence does matter, even for the Senate. There appears to be a lot of bad luck, bad breaks, explaining away, etc.
I am not denying that many Senators are incompetent, and that money in fact hides their incompetence. But if you are incompetent, you can’t also be poor and a conservative and do well as a Senator. Its not fair, but its the world in which we live. I am not aware of any other Senator who had so many money problems before becoming a Senator.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Meh, I take it with a grain of salt considering the genesis of the attacks.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 3:21PM EST (link)She was in a battle against Biden in the Senate race, it’s not as if the oppo research just stopped because Biden got the nod for VP.
And as far as the FEC violations go, I wouldn’t put it past this Administration to have some influence in setting off the mines that O’Donnell tripped. If it were any opponent other than Biden I wouldn’t even be bringing this up.
Either way, it will be interesting to see if there will be a shift in the polls now that O’Donnell has PAC support putting out TV ads and Talk Radio hosts are now pushing her hard.
It will all be over in two weeks so we won’t have to wait long.
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Same goes for the IRS audit. -nt-
eburke (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 3:23PM EST (link)“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
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Yeah, you finally replied after I posted the above. (Hinz rule)
TNJim (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 1:28AM EST (link)Think I don’t keep up with timelines here? Took you nearly 3 hours. As for your charge of O’Donnell filing frivolous lawsuits, I refer you to JS’ comment below.
Three hours...
ffc99 Thursday, September 2nd at 1:44AM EST (link)sorry that I actually have a life and don’t spend 24/7 on Redstate. As for the lawsuit filed by Christine, see my comment above. I have a JD (from a pretty decent law school) so I actually know a bit about the law, and Christine’s lawsuit (against a conservative think tank, of all organizations!!) screams frivolous.
O'Donnell was on Levin last night
cbc80 Wednesday, September 1st at 8:24PM EST (link)She said that unlike Alaska who sent 100,000 GOP voters to the polls last week…there will only be around 20,000 at the Delaware primary. Seems to me the Tea Party Express can stir up enough conservatives t ohead the polls to tip the scales for O’Donnell. And she said her internal polls already have her even.
Expect another big surprise on the 14th. It may not even be close…
That is exactly what scares me
JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 9:18PM EST (link)I want O’Donnell to win, but if her victory occurs because so few people vote, then her primary win will not be a sign of strong vote getting potential in the general election.
I don’t doubt conservative can win what would essentially be a low turnout caucus, but that is not the end game prize.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Even the working liberals hate TARP.
The_Gadfly (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 10:03PM EST (link)Castle voted for TARP. He’ll get beat with that from now until the general election. I’m not sure the pollsters are really picking up on the full level of anger over TARP, Obamacare, and Cap and Tax. Heck, I’m even hearing moderate right rumblings in the government office where I work, and that’s the last thing I expected to hear.
'ski, if you are scared by victories, do you ever leave the house?..smile
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 11:45AM EST (link)I see your point, but there will be a huge GOP turnout in November. The fact that Biden’s seat is up in the air is a bigger sign of what is to come than the vicissitudes of state primaries and their differing dynamics, including the heat.
You see, I don;t think it will matter what the press spin is about a Castle loss. The Big Cahuna that will override all that fluff is the disgust of the nation with Obama and the Democrats and we can already see it in Delaware, much as we have in Massachusetts in many ways. O’Donnell would win the general, of this I am certain…but Cockstradamus is in Columbia for tonight’s USC v So Miss national college football opener so I won’t be able to get his prognostication till later…
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“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
My concern is specific to Delaware--let me frame it this way
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 12:17PM EST (link)If someone like DeVore (same positions as O’Donnell but more accomplished) couldn’t win a Republican primary in California (a state that is about as Blue as Delaware), what confidence do I have that O’Donnell could win a general election in Delaware? Was Fiona more popular in California than Castle is in Delaware?
O’Donnell is talking about how low turnout favors her, which is undoubtedly true. However, when I hear candidates talking like that, it does make me nervous. It is not a statement that exudes confidence. It is a strategy based on your adversaries being asleep.
One of the best war movies ever made was A Bridge Too Far.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Two points of distinction, J in an otherwise logical inquiry.
eburke (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 12:37PM EST (link)1) DeVore’s biggest problem in CA was that he didn’t have enuf smack to advertise in the most expensive media market in the country and Carly spent millions of her own money so she could get her message out.
2) Don’t conflate being unable to win the Primary w/being unable to win a general election. All the polls showed that DeVore and Fiorina both ran about even with Babs.
Delaware is a bit smaller than CA (duh!) and Christine doesn’t have enuf money. CA is actually even more liberal than DE and Christine is running neck and neck w/Boxer and she ran to the *right* during the primary.
Mike Castle’s is even more liberal than Mark Kirk or the Maine Sisters. He has already commented that he feels it incumbent to reach across the aisle to find ‘solutions’ so he will become the MFM’s fig leaf to blaming Republicans for all this crap because of its ‘bipartisan’ nature.
The *only* benefit that Castle brings is that he would, ostensibly, caucus w/the Republicans. That’s what we thought about Benedict Jeffords and when someone as connected as EE says he has it from boots on the ground that Castle might flip or turn the seat over to the Dems…I’m not sure we can even count on that.
I have yet to say this about a *single* GOP candidate this year (including Whitman and Kirk, and I sent multiple contributions to Scott Brown) but there is *very* little upside in a Sen. Castle and a *ton* of downside that dwarfs any issues Christine may or may not have in her personal life.
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
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Proofread before posting, eburke /face palm
eburke (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 12:40PM EST (link)First sentence of third paragraph should read: Christine doesn’t have to have to have the same amount of money as Chuck did.
Too many thoughts at one time…brain not engaged…proofreading is your friend.
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
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Yes 'ski, I think DeVore's problems were not analogous, but
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 4:22PM EST (link)you make a strong case for ambivalence! Ride the wave…Fiorina was also radically more conservative than Boxer! Castle isn’t conservative much at all.
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Not a fair comparison. Fiorina was the center candidate in that race.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 12:49PM EST (link)Having Campbell in that race completely changed the dynamic of the primary. DeVore had a serious opportunity before that.
I think one thing people are underrating is her 35% finish in the 08 election against Biden.
I believe that with Biden’s name being on the ballot twice, the overall enthusiasm garnered by the Obama campaign, and the historical turnout for D’s in general, 35% is pretty good for a “no named, hard core conservative with a dubious back ground and financial issues”.
Obviously the electorate is going to be largely the inverse of what it was in 2008 and on the issues, I think the electorate that will turn out will be more sympathetic to O’Donnell’s positions than to Castle’s record.
It’s a gamble, but I think it is worth it. Castle isn’t even a 70% conservative.
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I agree that the 35% against Joe is impressive
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 12:59PM EST (link)and I admit that the California is not strictly analogous.
I would definitely not give a penny to Castle. I just don’t have what I consider to be a good sense of how teaparty Delaware can go.
I stilll haven’t seen anything about the FEC issues, and whether her quote about the ongoing “processing” of previous campaign invoices (i.e. who starts a new campaign before they both to find out how the old campaign owes).
I obviously want O’Donnell to win, but I find it hard to believe that she can.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
My mentality is that in a wave season you can take these type of chances.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 1:12PM EST (link)We have spread the field pretty well, we have strong candidate challenging incumbent D’s who were thought to be safe, the DNC is pulling out of key areas that no one thought they would, this morning PPP pulled out the turnout argument as a last move of desperation to rally Democrats, all of these things are reasons to take a chance in DE. In short, we have them on the run and they can’t even defend their home ground, IL and DE.
I won’t say that O’Donnell is perfect, but her flaws are trivial compare to the character deficit that is Castle.
I have no doubt that if Castle is elected he will give the Dems everything they want in the lame duck session. He will be castigated, those who elected him will be pissed, and he will flip to the D column when the new session starts.
Arlen Specter was a lesson. I’m gonna heed it.
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555 - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 4:26PM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
Evil vs. Stupid
jsanzone (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 8:32PM EST (link)O’Donnell’s not the next Rubio, Paul, Angle, Buck, or Miller.
She’s J.D. Hayworth. A sleazy opportunist. Totally unserious. A perennial politician. Right on the issues, but not a personality worth investing much into.
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I don't know enought about O'Donnell
JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 9:04PM EST (link)but I think there is a valid point that a good politician is more than simply a list of positions. JD is probably a good example of that principle. However, I am not sure how you square being unserious with being a perennial politician. To me a persistent candidate is by definition serious (at least is most cases).
If she has been carrying conservative water in Delaware in less favorable conditions, I am inclined to give her a chance.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
IDK, JSob
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 1:45AM EST (link)See Ron Paul, President and`the Libertarian Party
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Aesthete, you are definitely right
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 2:10AM EST (link)I must have been out of my mind. There are numerous actual elected officials who are essentially clowns.
Ron Paul is at the top of the list. Kucinich is another. Trafficant before he was convicted. Blago prior to impeachment. Conyers. There are a bunch of absolute clowns
Absolutely my bad. I stand corrected.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
right personality vs right votes
pilgrim (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 9:06PM EST (link)I always choose the one who makes the right votes over the one with the *sparkling* personality because votes are all that really matter.
And your comparison of O’Donnell to Hayworth goes way beyond stupid. You have one who has no record compared to one who has one.
Not talking personality pilgrim, talking character
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 1:57AM EST (link)Lots of people have the right ideas until you put some pressure on them. Pressure or temptation. Lots of both in DC, and most people end up being compromised to some degree. Even people like DeMint will talk about how they got sucked into taking earmarks, etc.
Think back to 1994. Hayworth was one of the young conservative upstarts who was going to kick but and take names. Events turned out differently. His character was unproven at the time, now it is well known.
The comparison to O’Donnell to Hayworth is actually giving O’Donnell more of a record than she actually has.
So characterizing my analysis as being smitten by a “sparkling personality” is strictly straw man stuff.
Stupid? I am comparing HEYWORTH IN 1994 to O’Donnell today, Get it? Before he had much of a record? 1994 is BEFORE he served in Congress? Get it? Do I need to slow down for you?
People who use the word “stupid” would be far better off just making their arguments rather than feeling compelled to characterize the argument. Kind of like interjecting with “I am winning the argument.” If you are winning, you don’t have to say it.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
my post was not even a reply to you
pilgrim (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 8:49AM EST (link)Unless you have a sock puppet account as jsanzone. I made my reply to this comment by jsanzone:
Right on the issues, but not a personality worth investing much into.
Electing a politician based on the worth of their personality is just plain stupid.
I'm not talking about "electing" a politician based on personality
jsanzone (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 7:13PM EST (link)I’m talking about nominating one. The Coons campaign will absolutely obliterate her. And tea parties/conservatives will look like fools for putting stock into her, thinking that she’s just another Paul/Angle/Rubio. The “more conservative choice” based on side-by-side lists is not necessarily the best choice in absolutely every state. Context matters. And so does personality
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20/10 Blog
I assume your title is comparing Castle to Coons? -nt-
eburke (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 9:11PM EST (link)“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
Unified Patriots
Nope. Sorry.
jsanzone (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 9:40PM EST (link)Castle to O’Donnell.
http://www.2010blog.net
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But I guess Castle v. Coons Works Too
jsanzone (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 9:41PM EST (link)Yup.
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Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 9:42PM EST (link)Democrats are the greater evil, if you look at what their caucus does and condones.
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You're right
jsanzone (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 9:47PM EST (link)Admittedly I know practically nothing about Coons beside the (D) after his name. But yes, evil, for precisely the reasons you say.
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rdelbov Wednesday, September 1st at 9:39PM EST (link)don’t leave employees and vendors holding the bad and deadbeat on debts like Christine O did in 2008.
fsical conservative?
She had her chance to run a campaign and spent other people’s money like it belonged to her. Yet she is the fiscal conservative in the race??
so Castle is a fiscal conservative? who knew?
pilgrim (Diary) Wednesday, September 1st at 9:52PM EST (link)The only way the voters in Delaware will have a conservative to vote for in November is if O’Donnell wins the primary. If Castle wins they vote for the liberal with an R or a D after their name.
Exactly
SirGladiator (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 12:49AM EST (link)I think this is great, the Establishment liberals are wasting their time on a Conservative website, trying to sell the argument that “The only way to beat the liberal in November is to vote for the liberal against the Conservative in September”. That really shows how scared they are, I was thinking we might be starting at a real disadvantage in Delaware like Miller did in Alaska, but from what Im reading here I’d say O’Donnell may already be ahead, and by the time the Tea Party runs its ads, Conservatives on the ground get the message out, and this campaign is over she could easily win this thing by double digits!
Obviously no real Conservative is going to say ‘let’s vote for the liberal because that’s the only way to beat the liberal in November’, that type of logic only makes sense to a liberal
. At least the argument ‘You can’t vote for her, she’s poor!’ that some seem to be making, might appeal to somebody out there somewhere who is super rich and doesn’t like poor people, who knows, but I don’t really think anybody’s gonna be fooled into the idea that voting for a liberal is the smart way to keep another liberal from winning.
To elect Conservatives in November, you have to vote for them in Primaries. In Delware the Conservative is Christine O’Donnell. If Castle wins the Primary, the winner of the General will be a liberal, because it will be liberal vs liberal. If O’Donnell wins the Primary, the General will be Conservative vs liberal, and whether our chances of winning are 70 percent or 30 percent or anything else that you want to guess, it’s a chance that we wouldn’t have at all if we lost the Primary, which is why it is so important that Christine win it. This is our year, we can win this Primary, and then we can win the General, and we can have Senator O’Donnell to go with Senator Miller, Senator Rubio, Senator Paul, Senator Buck, etc. we’re winning all over the Country, let’s keep it up!
I agree to a certain extent
texasproud (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 2:49PM EST (link)You elect conservatives in states where conservatives can win. Electing conservatives in purple states when the wind is at your back in states like Florida, Colorado, Nevada, Wisconsin, New Hampshire makes perfect sense. But lets be realistic too. there is a reason Republican Presidential candidates are not campaigning in states like Delaware, California, Massachusetts, New York, etc. You can give me the speech that Reagan carried them 26 years ago or that Bush carried several of them in 1988, but this isn’t the 1980s anymore. There are people voting who were in diapers when Clinton won in ’92. States change and so does their voting tendencies. California was the GOP stronghold 30 years ago, it isn’t anymore. Texas was overwhelmingly Democrat until Bush came in and cleaned house. Times have changed, Obama won Virginia and Indiana. I want the most conservative candidate who can win in every race because it is pointless to nominate someone who cannot win the election. Delaware is not going to vote for a Jim Demint, Tom Coburn, or Sharron Angle. We need to be practical which means making sacrifices. If you are obsessing over the elections because you think these people are going to solve all your problems, then you are in the wrong party. Mike Castle is not going to solve your problems and neither is Christine O’Donnell or Chris Coons (since it really is pointless to debate what she can do in D.C. since she will never be there as an elected official from Delaware)
$1.6 Trillion deficit, $800 million to Hamas to rebuild West Bank, kowtowing to the whims and demands of Hugo Chavez, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and Raul Castro, and bowing before a Saudi Prince. I guess that’s ‘Change we can believe in’
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Mediocre vs stupid
texasproud (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 1:13PM EST (link)Comparing this race to McCain vs JD Hayworth is deadon. Voting for change for the sake of change hasn’t really worked the last two years, are we really going to copy that?
$1.6 Trillion deficit, $800 million to Hamas to rebuild West Bank, kowtowing to the whims and demands of Hugo Chavez, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and Raul Castro, and bowing before a Saudi Prince. I guess that’s ‘Change we can believe in’
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Some thoughts on O'Donnell-Castle
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 2:09AM EST (link)If he wins, Castle will be one of our most liberal, if not our most liberal, Republican vote in Congress. Nevertheless, he will be miles ahead of the Dem. He also stands a good chance of winning. O’Donnell has some problems that uniquely stand against her in what should be a perfect storm of Republican victory.
1) O’Donnell has, until very recently, been a culture warrior talking head on the major networks, and (as goes with the territory) thrown out some fringe, red meat, and downright stupid stuff in her segments. Given that the majority of her public appearances have been in these venues, this bodes poorly for her, for two reasons: first, her main focus has been on social conservative all of her life, and she advocated strongly for it. Second, there are a batch of news segments that can and will be used against her where she makes statements that could be considered extremist or sensationalist on various issues (mostly those important to social conservatives). I don’t mean to say that a social conservative absolutely cannot win in a blue state: it’s harder, but it can be done. What is less likely is that a culture warrior whose primary emphasis is on social issues can win (that’s practically begging for independents to flee in droves), and while I’ll give O’Donnell the benefit of the doubt on her small government bonafides, it has to be said that virtually none of her public appearances until very recently expounded on the subject at all: a matter which will be of some concern to “Tea Party conservatives” who care about spending, libertarian-minded folk who probably wonder where O’Donnell was when Bush was cranking the printing presses, and others who care about spending.
2) Fact of the matter is, O’Donnell doesn’t have a particularly distinguished record, and what few accomplishments she lists are marred by financial difficulties, and in one case, a potentially frivolous lawsuit. People don’t have to be Boy Scouts to run for office, but when you are running as the fiscally conservative candidate with a thin resumé, you are going to be evaluated on these things, particularly by independents who don’t care about philosophy (foolishly, IMO). It’s unfortunately truthful to portray O’Donnell as a perennial fringe candidate with financial problems. It remains to be seen if she will be seen sympathetically, as her campaign hopes, but given the anti-bailout mood of the country, I doubt that DE voters will be as generous as some RS posters.
3) O’Donnell really hasn’t done much advertising outside of conservative enclaves (talk radio and the like). This tells me that she is hoping to get the hardcore conservatives in the primary, and to win in a low-turnout election. This is her best strategy for the reasons I have noted, and because her campaign is flat broke. However, it’s basically a desperate gamble hoping for extremely low turnout of indies + Dems and extremely high turnout of social conservatives and some Tea Partiers.
I hope that we can at least agree that O’Donnell is not as easy to endorse, or as close to an ideal Tea Party candidate, as others around the country are, and that there are valid reasons to prefer Castle. Bashing people as “trolls” for either side before giving them a fair hearing jumps the gun, given the controversy behind O’Donnell.
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and that folks is how it is done! 55555
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 2:12AM EST (link)nt
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
aesthete, I can agree that in a perfect world,
eburke (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 10:54AM EST (link)I would like to see a candidate that would appear to be ‘less flawed’. But you and I have also been around the wars enuf to know that liberals excel at creating negative narratives about conservatives out of whole cloth (primary example is the amiable dunce Ronald Reagan meme).
Thus, it *does* matter who’s laying out accusations in the political world. If Jim DeMint was laying out set of ‘facts’, and Harry Reid was laying out an opposite set of ‘facts’, there’s no way you and I would assign the same credence to both of them.
I don’t quickly call folks mobys and trolls, but I would suggest that you take a look at the posting histories of those who are shilling the loudest for Castle in this thread:
ffc99……MOlsen6……ithos……rightwingdelaware…..spiker…. and compare it to those who have been defending Christine. There’s no comparison.
On one side you have people who have registered recently and comment almost exclusively on this race, or have been registered for a while but in the last 3 years haven’t found anything to get upset about, ‘cept this race or who when they do post invarialbly attack the conservative position/candidate vs posters who repeatedly engage at RS, have RedHot priviliges, engage in a whole range of topics and candidates, and regularly write diaries.
I’ll trust the latter much more than I will the former, especially since we’ve seen this same behavior from one-hit wonders over and over again in races this year where there was a conservative running against an Establishment candidate.
When one of the Castle promoters can adequately explain their support for Castle vis a vis their vitriol for Christine, as was laid out here:
http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2010/09/01/extrapolating-about-the-delaware-senate-primary/#comment-10261
I might actually begin to give them some credence.
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Castle is so much more flawed than O'Donnell that its not funny and his "experience" is part of the problem
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 11:25AM EST (link)Whoever said that one “elected office experience” or a variation thereof is an asset generally or for Castle couldn’t be more wrong. Legislators vote yea or nay on easy choices called bills written by liberal dems or bills not written by liberals. The choice is easy. No elected experience required and in fact it is just that elected experience that, over time makes conservatives into mush.
Well, Castle is already mush and this is going to be a wave election like Reagans and 1994 etc. No freaking way anyone here at Redstate should be for Castle with his abysmal record. He is one of the 3-5? Republicans that have served in Congress over the past 10 years that actually has voter ratings more liberal than some Democrats! That is almost unheard of.
Now, I could see some argument about electability of this weren’t the Dems obvious Waterloo election, but it is, and even if it weren’t, I see no way a conservative should give up on O’Donnell.
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kowalski...and as one that recently confessed loathing primaries, this Castle
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 11:28AM EST (link)guy does not fit my rule that basically loathes intra-party contests between relative ideological equals that turn into mud-slinging by necessity.
Such is not the case in Delaware. Castle is just too liberal not to challenge in the primary. Can’t see it.
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Liberty Central gives Mark Kirk a better grade than Mike Castle
pilgrim (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 11:31AM EST (link)There are some who are trying to compare the GOP Senate candidate in IL, Mark Kirk with the DE primary candidate for US Senate, Mike Castle. Liberty Central scored a D for Castle and a C for Kirk.
and there grades are even better gauges of conservatism because
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 3:13PM EST (link)they grade based on the most important bills/votes and not all the perfunctory ones that push all in one party upward that distorts. Liberty Central grades on the most important bills that make the difference.
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They may be new
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 1:31PM EST (link)but they are not necessarily trolls. All I’m saying is that the pro-Castle folks (more like anti-O’Donnell folks, from the looks of it) do raise valid points, and are not necessarily trolls. I don’t think that you, Aaron or anyone else posting in this tread in favor of O’Donnell is a troll, and I simply think that we should have the common courtesy of addressing arguments rather than assuming a priori that they are trolls (and yes, I know that some of the Castle folks threw some insults all around, but they nevertheless do have valid, possibly rebuttable, arguments).
PS: Reagan may have been tarred as a dunce, but a review of his record and policy papers shows that that was not the case. Can the same be said of O’Donnell vis a vis her experience and un-seriousness as a candidate?
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I respectfully disagree, aesthete. My tone with you
eburke (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 2:44PM EST (link)and JSobieski has been markedly different than it has been with the panoply of Castle supporters who have shown up. There are 3 reasons for that – 1) you guys have demonstrated over time that you are engaged in many aspects of RS; 2) when someone challenges a premise of yours you respond in a polite and professional tone; and 3) you actually address the issues.
There’s a Bible passage that says that by their fruits you will know them. Well, this will limp as an analogy (as all do) but when I see people who are recently registered and become one-note nellies on one particular candidate, or a review of their posting history shows that in every instance that they comment it is to talk down or denigrate a conservative candidate or organization, or when these same posters spew the same talking points over and over and over again and never address the substance of what is being questioned, who resort to ad hominem attacks and personal invective as a substitute for reasoned discourse…
if it looks like a duck…if it walks like a duck…and if it quacks like a duck…I’m gonna call it a duck. When’s the last time we’ve heard from arc_ut or any of the other stalkers from the Lee and Buck races? These people aren’t posting in good faith…they don’t give a rat’s rear end about RS or the conservative movement…they’re interested only in promoting mod/liberal positions and candidates.
I won’t insult folks like you and JSobieski by treating them with the same level of respect and dialogue because, unlike you guys, they’re not posting and dialoguing in good faith.
When any of those folks who have said that Christine O’Donnell isn’t fit for office, or doesn’t really live her conservative values can square their support for Mike Castle with the comparison and contrast I made above, I’ll treat them like serious posters. But all I’ve heard so far in response to those legitimate questions is a bunch of people with extremely limited and questionable posting history dissing and name-calling a bunch of people with extensive and insightful posting histories. You can’t have a constructive dialogue with people who, based on their history, aren’t posting in good faith.
I’m not telling you that you have to view things the same way because that’s certainly your choice and I respect that. But OTOH, I will exercise that same freedom of choice to call ‘em as I see ‘em.
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I'm not really arguing whether or not
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 5:35PM EST (link)the anti-O’Donnell people are posting in good faith, Jsob and I are simply imploring that regular commenter ignore the issue, as it detracts from the discussion on hand and can’t be verified any which way. I’m not really sure if you engaged in those accusations (no way I’m digging through that thread again!), but I think that engaging arguments is more effective than questioning a person’s motives, which is a task best left to moderators.
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Aesthete, not to brow beat you, but ...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 5:47PM EST (link)ffc99 originally attacked me and my credibility after I posted what I knew about O’Donnell’s financial situation.
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Right, my comment was made before that
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 10:55PM EST (link)whole kerfuffle. It was too bad: he was actually making some decent points before he started gunning for you for (as far as I can tell) no reason.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
My support here is measured...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Friday, September 3rd at 12:11AM EST (link)I am privy to quite a bit and I am still treading lightly in these threads. The campaign needs to show where they stand and I need to see how she fares in the next round of polls, which are sure to come now that this has warmed up in the media ads, then we can all be more informed on her chances.
I think in general O’Donnell is a rather dependable person. I am also a big fan of normal people running the country.
I was reminded earlier of this Buckley qoute by a friend I email;
Good discussion.
Cheers.
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Aaron, I don't envy DE conservatives
Uma Richie (Diary) Friday, September 3rd at 1:01AM EST (link)I think if I were in Delaware, I would vote for O’Donnell and hope for a Castle win so narrow that it would scare him into a rightward slide. Or, I would vote for O’Donnell, and if she wins the primary, trust that God knows what He’s doing.
I knew Christine 17 years ago when she was a pro-life campus organizer and I guess you could say that I was among the people she was trying to organize. Based on that experience, none of the negatives being expressed surprise me. Frankly, she is (sort of) the conservative answer to Obama in that she has a flimsy resume and a vague past; however, she’s a spunky soul who found her own way, and was not groomed as Obama was.
I have no doubt that if she were elected, she could be trusted to cast pro-life votes faithfully.
Win or lose, if she wants to continue in the public arena, she does need to account for her personal history — Loss of privacy is the price of admission. Besides, she might be surprised to find that normal people really don’t care about whatever it is that she isn’t proud of.
I can respect that Uma...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Friday, September 3rd at 1:32AM EST (link)My major quibble is the idea that some are trying to push that she is nefarious and double dealing.
I know she have faults, I’ve weighed and measured and I think she has always been acting in good faith and good principles. Her denunciation of the “Castle is having a Gay affair” ad was unequivocal.
Again, in my line of thinking this is the year to take the risks. We won’t have a field where the D’s are spread this thin again in a while. Mind you, we stand to pick up seats in 12, but not this one, it’s gone for 6 years whether Castle or Coons.
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We may need to agree to disagree on this one, aesthete.
eburke (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 7:28PM EST (link)Wouldn’t be the first time
I don’t call moby often, but when it becomes as obvious and repetitious as it has been this election season, at some point in time I believe it does become relevant. There were a couple people on this thread that I initially thought might be Castle campaign operatives or just liberal mobys but after digging through their posting histories, I realized that wasn’t the case and I responded accordingly.
But I do believe that when people become as obvious, and obnoxious, as some of these posters have been, and they won’t respond to or answer questions, or they launch into ad hominem attacks, I believe that those who have been around the block a few times do have a responsibility to flush ‘em out and expose them for what they are.
Do I believe that there are posters who jump the gun too quickly and too often without giving new posters a chance to engage in give and take? Absolutely.
But I also believe that in certain circumstances, in the contet of challenging the premise and arguments presented by said mobys and shills, the casual reader has every right to know the difference between the posting histories of an ffc99 and an Aaron Gardner so they can take that into account while they’re reading their posts.
And now, if you still have your olive branch (and I still have mine
), it’s back to libtard bashing!
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You might be right
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 10:56PM EST (link)My troll-dar certainly isn’t the best on the web, that’s for sure.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
agreed they raise valid points that ought be answered and are not trolls, but
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 3:16PM EST (link)can’t agree that O’Donnell can be successfully be characterized as a dunce given her conservative positions. Had Reagan’s policies failed, no one would have cared about his great intellectual body of work. It seems to me that O’Donnell has studied Reagan and agrees with him! Castle, not so much.
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There are two premises
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 3:26PM EST (link)at work here:
1) O’Donnell is a Tea Party conservative running against a liberal Republican.
This is a mostly accurate premise, though I have some concerns given her silence on fiscal matters until now and the potential for liberalification when in the comfy Senator’s chair. However, I think that most of us on RS acknowledge this point.
2) O’Donnell can win.
This is the premise I most have problems with. Due to the three issues I raised in my initial points (her being a conservative cultural warrior with some out there statements, personal issues, and the way she’s running her campaign), I don’t think that she will be able to win unless turnout is extremely high among social conservatives/some Tea Partiers in DE, and extremely low among all others. I think this is a bit of a gamble, and that it’s a waste of money to get O’Donnell to the general when she has such a low chance of winning, and is such a flaky conservative, relative to others we could be supporting (our three candidates for AZ seats, for instance). We really shouldn’t be involved in this race one way or another, and should dedicate our resources to better races.
@ eburke: I’ll reply to your post later; right now I have two projects that won’t wait on my reply to you, which will be longer than this one.
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Aesthete, I disagree. This race is very important.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 4:18PM EST (link)The winner of this race is seated immediately, not in Jan. O’Donnell would be a check against a lame duck congress bending us over, think card check and cap and trade.
I have a hard time believing Castle be that same check.
That’s why this is important. Your three candidates, whom I also want to win, can’t stop a lame duck congress.
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We definitely aren't saying that O'Donnell is a dunce
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 3:49PM EST (link)Are saying the following:
(1) Being conservative, while a necessary prerequisite to being a good candidate, is not sufficient for being a good candidate.
(2) The candidate matters. Especially if trying to push the envelope in terms of hostile territory. No doubt O’Donnell could win in Texas for example, but that isn’t a blue state.
(3) Her record of accomplishment is very very weak. We aren’t talking about a Yale law grad who served in the military, a practicing physician, etc.
(4) Evidence that she has studied Reagan is scant. Her commentary was limited to social issues until recently.
(5) Saying you are a Reagan Republican and acting like a Reagan Republican in DC are two very different things. Someone without a record of accomplishment is more likely (in my opinion) to be seduced by DC. Particularly someone who is short on cash.
Reagan was always a winner as a person, even in his personal tragedies. A comparison to Reagan in defending O’Donnell is really unfair to O’Donnell because anyone looks bad in that comparison.
Why is O’Donnell different than Maes in CO? We don’t have a Jane Norton to step in.
You and I rarely have a significant disagreement GC, and we don’t really disagree here on what we want—just on what we think will happen.
Bottom Line: No good options here, so one votes their heart and hopes. Never been much of a tactical voter, but I just can’t believe so many people are so optimistic about her chances to win in the general election. In the end, I guess if I am right it won’t matter (we won’t have a reliable vote for anything substantive) and if you are right it will (a true conservative would have a vote), so go with the GC is right.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
O'Donnell and Castle are neck and neck in latest polls
pilgrim (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 3:53PM EST (link)“Last night at the Kent 9-12 Delaware Patriots meeting in Bower’s Beach, Christine O’Donnell announced several primary polls have her neck and neck with Mike Castle. She said some polls show Castle a couple points ahead, but others actually show her ahead. No wonder Castle began running negative smear radio ads today! He is running scared!”
Game. Set. Match. w/this comment, JSobieski
eburke (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 4:08PM EST (link)“we don’t really disagree here on what we want—just on what we think will happen.”
Realizing you penned this to GC, it perfectly summarizes what I view to be our respective positions on the DE Senate race.
And, like I said before, since reasonable people can disagree reasonably (and neither of us has a crystal ball) I’m all good.
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yes, all good - nt
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Agreed
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 4:56PM EST (link)I think that almost anyone on RS would, if made king for a day, put O’Donnell as DE’s newest Senator (well, I’d make it zombie Goldwater, but let’s be somewhat realistic). It’s what will happen, and to what extent O’Donnell’s worth going to bat for, that’s in dispute.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
The only mile between Castle and a Dem would be the vote for Speaker, and I will concede
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 11:37AM EST (link)that control of the Senate could hinge on one state and that surely Castle would win and I do think its important to back lib repubs where necessary to gain for control for conservatives and the GOP in the Senate and House. But I think most any Republican will win in Delaware due to the economy and already-shown weakness of the Dem..
Moreover, Castle is also a
(liberal) culture warrior, that
hasn’t a distinguished conservative legislative record (we vote these people into office to vote right, and not as a reward for having a distinguished liberal record or even some other type of distinguished record of a good type in the community). Their job is to vote right. We already know from Castle’s record that all that “distinguished service” for 31 years taught him nothing.
It is fine to look for many character traits thru past life for a first time candidate and for executive positions, but when you have Castle’s record and then you have O’Donnell’s positions, how is this a close call?
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“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
My analysis was purely positive in this post
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 1:14PM EST (link)Those three points I cited are facts. Their effect on the race is debatable, but IMO, people are being very optimistic if they think that O’Donnell will win an election in a very blue state as a culture warrior. It seems seems to me that her record as a culture warrior, and some apparent personal failings, are insurmountable: have we ever, in any political climate, seen a true-blue social crusader get elected in very liberal territory? While there are some states (W Virginia, Pennsylvania, Ohio) that might go for that, and while someone could be socially conservative could deemphasize that portion of themselves and run as fiscal conservatives, I’ve never seen a social conservative who’s made her career on the issue hail from a liberal area under any political climes. If one were to buck this trend, that person would have to be a much stronger candidate than O’Donnell.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
you make a good case as you define her but I suspect the Reagan revolution elections and
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 3:22PM EST (link)others with Nixon and of course, 1994, you would find Republicans elected in somewhat similar circumstances as O’Donnell. Why? Same reasons as O’Donnell would likely win this year against a Dem::
the economy
wave election not emphasizing social issues
weak Dem
enthusiasm on social issues will be a net positive for pro-lifers
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
I hope you're right nt
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 4:58PM EST (link)The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
We disagree on only one sentence
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 12:41PM EST (link)“But I think most any Republican will win in Delaware due to the economy and already-shown weakness of the Dem.”
I think the statement above is not true, or at least should not be automatically accepted. Obama is still popular in Delaware (above 50% approval rating), so the idea of the most anti-Obama candidate winning in a cake walk is questionable.
I have consistently said that I would vote for O’Donnell if I could. However, I do think she may be a bridge to far for the insurgent brigade. The idea that the economy is bad = the most conservative candidate will win in a place like Delaware is questionable.
I can get overly optimistic too, but then I think DeVore in California. There are limits to the upcoming wave. I think Delaware is on the border of that wave.
I am not normally this indecisive.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Your posting history shows you to be a rock solid
eburke (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 1:05PM EST (link)conservative, J, so I’m all ok w/your indecision in this case. But don’t confuse approval for Obama for voting for the Dem. Obama’s approval ratings, as low as they are, dwarf the approval ratings of the Dem Congress. The people of DE aren’t voting for President, they’re voting for a member of Congress.
I had my own queasiness about O’Donnell until I did 2 things -
1) I started looking really hard at how ‘bad’ these supposed financial picadillos of O’Donnell are vs how much a narrative had been developed by Castle folks out of whole cloth and found a lot of hat but no cattle (and I’m know from personal experience working with our candidate in our CD race that running ‘afoul’ of FEC reporting requirements is neither uncommon nor difficult to do)
2) realized that in the end every election, primary or general, comes down to a choice between two people. The choice in DE on Sept. 14 isn’t between a rock-solid liberal and the conservative candidate of our dreams and wishes, it’s between Mike Castle and Christine O’Donnell. Any concerns I have re: Christine’s personal finances are absolutely dwarfed by Castle’s liberalism.
And in this wave election year, the next choice between 2 candidates occurs on November 2. I’d prefer for the folks in DE to be able to choose between more of the same and turning back from the brink of fiscal insanity.
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
Unified Patriots
Presidential approval ratings can be a proxy for
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 1:17PM EST (link)general ideological inclinations and level of public disatisfaction.
I think we would both agree that the Republican wave of 2010 will be stronger in places where Obama is below 50. That is not to deny the potential Scott Brown’s out there who can nonetheless prevail in those circumstances, but that is exactly the point—the candidate-specific attributes become more important in a jurisdiction where Obama is still popular (likely just for personality reasons, but it still can’t be discounted in a place like Delaware).
As you know, I want O’Donnell to win. Our disagreement is solely related to her ability to win and what Delaware voters are likely to do/feel/perceive. The fact that she talks about a low turnout primary suggests a defensive posture where she tries to sneak through. I hope that is not the case, but that is where the data points seem to lead me.
I hope you are right, but I have no confidence in your conclusion. Steve Forbes was a dream candidate, but that didn’t make him a winner.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
I hear where you're coming from, J, and though
eburke (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 2:06PM EST (link)I disagree with your conclusion, I understand what’s driving it.
I think it’s worth rolling the dice to see if we can make a quantum leap up, you have reservations which have nothing to do with thinking that Castle is somehow more fit to serve than O’Donnell.
Reasonable people can agree to disagree reasonably without either necessarily being ‘wrong’. It’s always good to have to defend your position because it makes you rethink it’s basis. So, for that, I thank you.
So…back to kicking lib Dem arse!
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
Unified Patriots
Who knew O'Donnell was that flexible?
juumanistra (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 12:45PM EST (link)It’s no mean feat to be able to eat not only your own foot, but be able to ingest your own leg up to the knee. (Then again, we did elect Joe Biden for years, so maybe we like our politicians to double as gymnasts?) At any rate, O’Donnell seems to have done that this morning, in this particular interview: http://www.wgmd.com/?p=9496
Quite the choice between us, eh? On the one hand, we’ve got our sitting Congresscritter who doesn’t get the big issues of our time, and on the other woman who cannot give a straight answer to a few simple questions and who uses “CASTLE DID IT!” as her default answer in most circumstances.
O’Donnell still hasn’t given me a reason to vote for her. Good thing for her I’m sufficiently petty that voting for cap-and-trade is enough to get me to vote against Castle. (Of course, if and when Castle clobbers O’Donnell, I shall gleefully hold my nose to cast a vote to send Castle to the Senate.)
What a bizarre interview
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, September 2nd at 10:57PM EST (link)certainly not the worst I’ve ever seen (thank you, DC), but it’s pretty odd.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
I am genuinely conflicted.
Mary Beth (Diary) Friday, September 3rd at 2:42AM EST (link)I see the opinions of people in this thread like Aaron Gardner, aesthete, eburke, JSobieski, pilgrim and Mike gamecock DeVine… people who I respect and know aren’t shills whose posts are always very thoughtful and always make me think, even if I don’t always agree with the points being made.
And I’m not sure if I should or should not get involved…at least in the way I could get involved from way out here in NE Tennessee by donating…or if I should keep my powder dry and donate to other good candidates throughout the country.
If I were rolling in dough…I probably wouldn’t be as conflicted… I’d just give and if we lost, we lost. But in my current situation…I’m in a place where I need to be more judicious in where and how much I donate.
But I don’t want to skip out and not participate out of cowardice either…especially if what issues there are in O’Donnell’s negative column turn out to be more smoke than fire.
“A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.” ~ Ronald Reagan
I would suggest that if you are conflicted you shouldn't give
JSobieski (Diary) Friday, September 3rd at 3:14AM EST (link)I say give to the people you enjoy giving to. If its not a pleasure, don’t do it. Especially if money is tight.
Better to give 2x to someone you really like than to give money to people you only sort of like. That way, you are happy about it.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
This makes sense.
Mary Beth (Diary) Friday, September 3rd at 3:33AM EST (link)I’m just frustrated though I guess. I believe the purpose of a primary is to be able to choose between the different candidates… to weed out those we don’t want to serve, and to put the best person forward to give the best possible choice to voters.
So from a theoretical standpoint, I should be completely behind the idea of someone like O’Donnell. But the arguments raised here by both sides really make me stop and think…
And I have to wonder, if I feel this way, how many others do? What if the issues raised about her turn out to be much ado over nothing and we’re stuck with Castle when we don’t have to be?
You know?
“A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.” ~ Ronald Reagan
Sometimes your choices just bite
JSobieski (Diary) Friday, September 3rd at 3:43AM EST (link)It happens in life. Focus on the choices with better options and outcomes. If you don’t live in Delaware, I don’t see why the default position would be to give money to anybody. If you have money to burn, send it to Nevada or Florida.
Support O’Donnell because that is where your heart is, but there isn’t a rule that says you have to hand over your wallet.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
555
Mary Beth (Diary) Friday, September 3rd at 5:56PM EST (link)“A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.” ~ Ronald Reagan