Ridiculous question, I know. But if a Republican were president with these numbers …

recently that MI really and truly is a nanny state. The new governor’s budget is creating quite a ruckus among the masses here that count on the government dole. I have been disheartened lately, while I have always known this at some level, I had no idea how great a problem it is…. The government could do well in eliminating fraud in the area of food stamps alone. This would save us billions I am sure. In MI you are not required to show ‘ID’ when swiping your government assigned bridge card (food stamps). The problem is that there are many that ‘sell’ their cards, have more than one card, and can give them to others. You just have to give your pin number to the person using your card and fill your cart with the goods. The families receiving food stamps, are also receiving the free breakfast and lunch at their local public school. .. Washington is talking about ‘cuts’, when real cuts could be made in this program alone.

SChip, Lone Star, WIC, all the welfare programs need to be gutted or stopped all together and if any programs remain, requirements for receiving MY money should be citizenship, drug testing, nicotine testing, and Norplant injections. Ricipients should receive for 7 months, long enough to get a job and move off the roll.

The government should never be in the business of doing for you what you should be able to do for yourself, but since the fed has failed us in so many ways, I am sure this will never happen.

Everyone falls on hard times, but this has become a way of life, promoted by the fed.

federal government as soup kitchen, Mama Government feeds gobbins to once free people, Reid & Obama will assail Republicans who would let babies and moms starve to death, their bodies rotting in the streets. Katie Couric weeps on TV, blubber shakes. Michelle to put down barbells & take charge, saying “only government can save us”, morons agree.

The Irrational Downward Spiral of the Welfare State

http://objectivistvoice.com/2011/01/02/the-irrational-downward-spiral-of-the-welfare-state/

The solution comes from understanding that welfare programs are not simply fraught with practical difficulties; they are also self-perpetuating downward spirals, aside from being completely immoral right from the get-go. The only real solution to the problems of the welfare state: dismantle it.

While there is nothing necessarily wrong with freely offering a helping hand to people you know (who are thus people you value in some way), to institutionalize this on a mass scale by appropriating money and resources through government force is an immoral and nonsensical evasion of reality.

Welfare starts out with both the irrational (suspending cause-and-effect) and the immoral (redistributing wealth and violating individual rights), and sets off a chain reaction of further irrationality and abridging of rights. Like a house built on a foundation of quicksand, no amount of government force or wishful thinking can make up for the poor foundation of welfare programs. When you immediately start out with something that harms freedom and tramples rights, how can things possibly improve by adding even more restrictions, laws, and violations?

One might as well try to cure a drug overdose by ingesting even more of the same drug — curing poison with more poison just doesn’t work, and in the case of welfare the only real antidote is to abolish the whole thing and abandon this nonsense entirely.

As long as a drug dealer can keep you supplied with drugs, you keep coming back to him and he controls you. He doesn’t want you off drugs. If you get off, he loses his power over you. The Federal Government is no different. As long as they keep you hooked on welfare and food stamps, you’re under their control. Their control over you is their power.

And arguing about 30Billion vs 60 Billion vs 100 Billion in insignificant cuts someone in the GOP might want to pay attention to the job growth side of the equation?

Okay, silly idea. I’m sure the millions of people still out of work and on public relief aren’t going to be the Dems’ biggest new constituency in 2012.

If I recall correctly the food stamp program was falling in use for a short while. This alarmed the people running the program because it meant not having the same budget/cutting staff etc eventually. The government employees that run the program put out advertising to get people to apply for food stamps… then the program mushroomed…

This is just the manifestation of Cloward-Piven Strategy: push the system to collapse by getting everyone who is “eligible” for entitlements like food stamps to enroll in the program. Of course putting more and more people on the unemployment roles forces them to qualify for food stamps. No brainer – they want unemployment to be high, to bring about a collapse. Leftist are devious, evil, heartless.

Forced collapse of the US economy. That is what “fundamental transformation” is all about.

Time for a 2012 recall.

It would appear that the Obama hoax and chains is working exactlly as planned. The entitlement addicts are thrilled, their guy won !

to our churches, family helping family, and neighbors helping neighbors? If we did more of that, there wouldn’t be as a strong of a cry for bigger government. Of course, the government has worked to undermine our natural social safety nets by allowing people to get free money while not having to be accountable to anyone but a massive and cold bureaucracy that is more than happy to dole out money in order to grow.

I assume it starts Jan 2007, although it’s not labeled. That’s a great place for it to start considering that’s when the Pelosi/Reid congress took over.

If there are going to be things the Federal gov’t. does that are out in the weeds from original intent, this is one that I don’t have any particular issue with. It’s not that I don’t think the States are better equipped to deal with their own realities better than the Feds, because they probably are and likely should. But I do not have an issue with paying to help buy grocies for the needy at any level. It’s all of the other things the Feds do, like cowboy poetry conventions, and the very reasons we’re in this economic mess that caused the spike in Food Stamp participation that bother me. And I question whether we’ve learned the right lesson from all of this given that we seem to be focused on the money, the bottom line instead of the realignment of government toward constitutional order.

The probems we have are structural in nature and runaway spending is only a symptom of it just as much as the economic conditions are from the gov’t. attempting command and control of the economy by jacking the capital reserve ratios to funnel investment money into government bonds and GSE securities, non-productive ventures, for more than a decade. I don’t know about anyone else, but I have determined that the centralized administrative state has caused more economic damage than it it has ever been worth and it must go. The old paradigm of command and control must pass away or we will not survive in an economic sense.

to ultimately make us all subservient to the government. The ywant to control every aspect of our lives. 44million people dependent on the government for their food, is a pretty good start. They are reaching their goal.

how many of these food stamp participants are people who were previously employed as white collar professionals able to support themselves comfortably. How many of these people got degrees, and made every effort to be productive at their jobs, and never dreamed of finding themselves in this position.

How’s that “Hope-n-change” working for everybody?

This is what happens when the government relaxes the rules. Backsk in the day people were required to buy staples, bags of beans, rice etc the idea was to feed as many people as possible for the fewest dollars.Now people can buy prepared meals and individual drinks. NOt cost effective
.Allen

like is that it does not truly solve the poverty issue. On the contrary, it facilities the cycle and sustains it. There is little accountability or incentive to quit living off the government for people and thus they live and die dependent on the government.

Welfare is not compassion nor charity, it is a heartless, souless blank check that enslaves people instead of lifting them up to reach their true potential.

Republican, Democrat, doesn’t matter. Our politicians have learned that they can buy elections with giveaways. It is unsustainable, but as long as the politicians think that it will last through their term, they don’t care.

When it collapses, then websites like this one that warn us will no longer exist. Sites like this are like the man below the dam that screams that it is breaking – when it does break, he is the first to drown.

Wise people no longer attempt to change it, you cannot make moldy fruit fresh again. Wise people simply prepare for the chaos that is coming – Quickly.

if they know they have to do it, that means less people on the dole.
The tests are inexpensive and if sold to the gov the cost would be miniscule ESPECIALLY when compared to the amount hemorrhaging from the budget now.