Ivy League to bring back ROTC any second now, right?


Instapundit passes along an excellent point from one of his readers: the Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy has been ordered suspended, via judicial fiatThe military has complied with the court order, although they strongly disagree with it: there is a moratorium on enforcing DADT, and openly gay soldiers may serve.  Whether you are happy with this development or not*, there is one detail about this which is kind of important: the stated reason Ivy League colleges typically give for forbidding ROTC programs on campus has just gone away.  The military just stopped discharging openly gay soldiers.  It’s over.  The Ivy League won.

So let’s get those ROTC programs back on those campuses.

NOW.

Seriously. Theoretically, this should happen by, say, lunchtime: but the effective deadline for this is by next January.  That’s when at least one House of Congress abruptly shifts to the control of the political party that takes the Solomon Amendment seriously.  Not to mention the political party that’s going to be looking for places to cut the budget everywhere they can.

Hint.  Hint.  [Expletive deleted] hint.

Moe Lane (crosspost)

*Full disclosure: I support ending DADT, but not by the unilateral decision of the judiciary branch.  This decision should be under the purview of either the legislative or executive branches (preferably, both – and with the counsel of the military itself at least sought); if judges want to make laws then they can run for Congress like everybody else.


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If someone wants to put their life on the line...

ceili_dancer (Diary) Wednesday, October 20th at 10:50AM EST (link)

For the country, then I support them fully. The unit and whatever mission they are on shgould supercede any peersonal issues that any member has. I totally agree with you on all counts with this, especially the last sentence. Much like the gay marriage issue, I hope this won’t count as a threadjack, judges decidng what everyone else should feel is never going to work. Someone that could be on the fence may have a pushback opn a judge telling them how to think, it’s human nature. There is a book called “Roaring Lambs” that equate someone living their life without being in someone’s face and they may soon come to see that that person is not the boogeyman/woman that you first perceived.

Easy to Say

edintexas Thursday, October 21st at 12:15PM EST (link)

I don’t know what the current “living arrangements” are for troops both in CONUS and deployed overseas (in the combat zone and in other countries) today. I’m sure the wooden barracks with 40 troops to the floor are long gone in CONUS, but do all the troops have private rooms, or do at least some have to share a room with one (or more) other soldiers? I doubt that the barracks in the Casernes in Germany and Italy have been torn down and replaced, or totally revamped to private accommodations.

Further do the accommodations in these non-combat areas have private showers, or do the troops share shower rooms (even if not the mass shower rooms of my youth)? The European barracks would not be easily changed to eliminate the shower rooms, since most of these barracks date to before WW II.

We are dealing with a group of young mostly males, often from cultures which can best be termed “macho”. How well will they do when they know (not just suspect, but know) that the guy standing next to them in the shower prefers sex with their gender? We don’t allow the male and female troops to shower together for that very reason, so what will we do with males who prefer sex with males?

And we haven’t even gotten to the loss of privacy which service in a combat zone offers as more of a norm than non-combat zones. It is easy to say you support the desire of these men to serve, but what would you think if you were standing next to them in the shower? A lot of guys weren’t thrilled with the “Mamma San” work details passing by the open sided shower tent (after the Engineers built one) in base camp 40 years ago. Have young troops changed all that much?

 
 

ROTC on campus

timothyojones (Diary) Wednesday, October 20th at 11:19AM EST (link)

I say the universities that are currently boycotting ROTC should be coming out with press statements now detailing their plans to make ROTC available for the January semester. That should give them two months to make the appropriate provisions.

Those that feel they can’t get it done in two months ought to be telling America why they will need until next August and the beginning of the fall semester.

If they can’t get it done by then, they should explain their anti-military bias.

Timothy O. Jones
Associate Editor – Richardcyoung.com
Author of Up Right

I'll go you one better:

romeg Wednesday, October 20th at 11:32AM EST (link)

Those institutions that block access to their student body should lose ALL federal dollars and consideration should be given to their tax exempt status since they are acting as political advocates rather than merely in an educational role.

Goose=Gander

“Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” – C. S. Lewis

Agreed

edwlstr Saturday, October 23rd at 3:54AM EST (link)

I was in the military for 14 years during what seems like two lifetimes ago. I served with some very fine people, also some real losers. I do not recall any Ivy Leaguers that I served with that distinguished himself/herself in a leadership capacity at all. Some, as I recall, had problems with discipline and authority. Either accepting the lead when they were the only officer of resort (confidence crisis) or following the dictates of a senior officer when he was in absentia. They seemed to want to be liked a lot. They also thought you could lead from the rear. That’s my recollection, may not be a common experience. Ivy League schools shouldn’t want funding from a government which they largely despise, anyway.

 
 
 

Something smells here, Moe.

Vassar Bushmills (Diary) Wednesday, October 20th at 11:52AM EST (link)

California Fed Dist judges have been ruling the original Ban on gays, then DADT unconstitutional since the Vietnam War. The military yawns, as it only applies to that single district, and then wins on appeal.

Are they doing the same thing here, just with a different kind of press release, or have they caved?

What’s up?

But the judge says the ruling applies nationally

MF (Diary) Thursday, October 21st at 12:39PM EST (link)

Talk about an activist judge! She says the ruling must be followed nationally and not just in her small district. And of course the Obama cronies are going to put up a weak defense. If they didn’t defend it at all, they would be hung out to dry by the public, but if they defend it but do it poorly, they can claim they did all they could but it was a losing argument. Just like we saw here in California with the defense for Proposition 8.

 
 

What's up with that sign? Columbia has always had ROTC

bcb1 (Diary) Wednesday, October 20th at 12:05PM EST (link)

I’m not sure about Harvard, Yale, Brown, etc…but Columbia does have ROTC programs – they have Army, Air Force, and Marine Corps ROTC. Not sure what all the fuss is about, they’ve had it all along.

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/rotc/

No ROTC directly at Columbia

GT350 Wednesday, October 20th at 1:55PM EST (link)

Read the details under your link. ROTC programs are available to Columbia students, but are held at Manhattan College and Fordham, not at Columbia itself.

I’m a Columbia alumni (Business School), and I am enormously proud of the university and the education I received there. Nonetheless, the ban on ROTC is one of the few things that really anger me about the University. That and their nonsensical invitation for Ahmedinejad to speak to the student body back in ’05.

 
 

Where are the gay recruits?

Raven (Diary) Wednesday, October 20th at 12:59PM EST (link)

They going to sign up now in any greater numbers than they already were?

I know for a fact the military isn’t ready for the disorder this is going to cause, either. We sure don’t have individual rooms and showers. Are we going coed now? Anyone thought about that angle?

Just why are female and male soldiers separated in the barracks and shower facilities?

A lot of unanswered questions that neither the government nor this idiot judge has considered.

“If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
Luke 22:36

just my opinion

promise Thursday, October 21st at 9:16AM EST (link)

Homosexuals want to serve OPENLY in the military; so let them under these RULES/REGULATIONS
all serve together in same unit etc, ALL equipment MUST be pink camoflage(guns, uniforms, vehicles, tent, including mess tent etc) the terriost HATE homosexuals, so if they want to serve OPENLY do so OPENLY!!!
If they are serious this will not be a problem. This way they are proudly showing who they are OPENLY.
Just my idea of OPENLY!

Just your idea of segregation

Raven (Diary) Monday, October 25th at 4:11PM EST (link)

I’d take it kindly if you’d not append such sentiments to my comments again.

“If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
Luke 22:36

 
 
 

WISE UP... LIBERALS HATE THE MILITARY

heir2freedom Wednesday, October 20th at 2:39PM EST (link)

I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting for the uber-left haters entrenched in the hierarchy of the Ivy’s to invite ROTC back onto their campuses any time soon or you’ll end up looking like one of those blue creatures in Avatar.

But what a great recruiting tool this would create for the military:

Join the Army today! Our new co-ed showers will allow you to show your fellow soldiers you’ve got the “right stuff”!

NEW POST:

HOMELAND SECURITY UNVEILS NEW BORDER SECURITY STRATEGY: LOSE YOUR JOB!
http://heir2freedom.blogspot.com/2010/10/homeland-security-unveils-new-border.html

 

Algore gets an Oscar and lives large...

southernpatriots (Diary) Wednesday, October 20th at 4:34PM EST (link)

The leftists just want control of our liberties (or such that we don’t have liberties any longer) but want their jets,helicopters, and other luxurious items which burn much more fossil fuels than any of us would use in a year in our modest homes of 1800 to 3000 square feet without tennis courts with flood lamps to create daylight conditions at midnight. And we are supposed to be ignorant of their hypocrisy and vote to allow them and their stooges to continue to lead us by the nose into national bankruptcy to try for a socialist equilibrium of all nations? Wake up America, make it a good start this November but we must keep pressing onward!

 

The Kids Are Alright

Vannek Wednesday, October 20th at 6:59PM EST (link)

I just walked across the UC Berkeley campus. I crossed paths with an ROTC drill team reciting the Code of Conduct:

“I will never forget that I am an American, fighting for freedom, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free. I will trust in my God and in the United States of America.”

To quote a famous First Lady, this is the first time I ever felt proud of my campus.

 

RE: ROTC at IVY SCHOOLS

longtimeconservative (Diary) Thursday, October 21st at 7:48AM EST (link)

Banning ROTC is un-American and any school that does so should be banned from receiving any government support or subsidies. DADT is only one reason for their attitude. The other is that they are leftists and would welcome America’s overthrow by either a Communist country or Islamofaciests. This is why both my son, a graduate of Columbia, and I refuse to contribute to the school. Let them seek a contribution fro Amendinajad instead. They love him. LK

 

RE: ROTC at IVY SCHOOLS

longtimeconservative (Diary) Thursday, October 21st at 7:48AM EST (link)

Banning ROTC is un-American and any school that does so should be banned from receiving any government support or subsidies. DADT is only one reason for their attitude. The other is that they are leftists and would welcome America’s overthrow by either a Communist country or Islamofaciests. This is why both my son, a graduate of Columbia, and I refuse to contribute to the school. Let them seek a contribution fro Amendinajad instead. They love him. LK

 

Most Likely

JakePrime (Diary) Thursday, October 21st at 9:57AM EST (link)

Maybe I’m being optimistic, but I actually expect that, for the most part, this will happen, but only when DADT is officially lifted (I suspect this is right around the corner too). I think that there will be too much pressure for universities to avoid the issue. They’ve been harping on DADT for so long, they won’t have a choice but to restart dormant ROTC programs.

 

Most Likely

JakePrime (Diary) Thursday, October 21st at 9:57AM EST (link)

Maybe I’m being optimistic, but I actually expect that, for the most part, this will happen, but only when DADT is officially lifted (I suspect this is right around the corner too). I think that there will be too much pressure for universities to avoid the issue. They’ve been harping on DADT for so long, they won’t have a choice but to restart dormant ROTC programs.