Yesterday, I received an interesting piece of spam from Richard Lugar’s campaign. I call it “interesting” because it indicates that Lugar apparently intends to court voters who might be contemplating a vote for Richard Mourdock by calling them morons. And then speaking to them as if they were morons:
Unfortunately, a large number of Republican County Chairmen have been duped into participating in the same failed scheme that resulted in Christine O’Donnell and Sharron Angle and cost us two crucial Senate Seats in 2010. (If the Republican parties in Delaware, Nevada, and Colorado had taken the Reagan “big tent” approach, we would have already repealed Obamacare.) Mr. Mourdock has hired the same consultants that brought us these unelectable candidates, and with Mr. Donnelly joining the race the pattern is complete.
A few things. First, while a candidate might think voters are morons for not wanting to vote for him, it is generally a bad idea to say it out loud, on the off chance that some of those voters might be persuaded to come home.
Second, while I agree that O’Donnell and Angle were bad candidates (and strongly disagree on Buck), it’s ridiculous to claim that the GOP would have done better if it had nominated the candidates who were routed by the aforementioned bad candidates in the primary. This is the same line of thinking that posits that we lost to Obama because McCain was such a crappy candidate, and we should have instead nominated… one of the people who lost to McCain. Does not compute.
Third, math is apparently not a strong suit of Dick Lugar. The GOP currently controls 47 seats in the Senate. Adding three more seats (CO, NV, DE) would put us at 50. Thus, even supposing Castle would vote to repeal Obamacare, the best we could accomplish on an Obamacare repeal vote would be a tie, which would be broken by Joe Biden. Which is completely academic anyway, since a) the Democrats would filibuster the vote and b) failing all of that, Obama would just veto it. But, yeah, if those TEA Party people weren’t such morons, we’d totally have repealed Obamacare by now.
We’re not halfway through 2011, and RIchard Lugar’s campaign already smells of desperation. The main obstacle to his defeat at this point is disunity among the many groups of people Richard Lugar is currently insulting.
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Of course he only gives half the story about the last election
bk (Diary) Tuesday, May 10th at 8:26AM EST (link)If he’d gotten his way, we’d have squishes Bennett and Crist instead of conservatives Lee and Rubio.
Lugar is a RINO's RINO
renny (Diary) Tuesday, May 10th at 8:36AM EST (link)Why IN keeps him is beyond explanation.
Because we do stupid things like:
breen (Diary) Tuesday, May 10th at 9:46AM EST (link)1) Having too many viable candidates run against a single RINO – splitting the vote (see: Coates, Dan)
2) Elevating names over records (see: Bayh, Evan)
3) Falling for someone who is decent w/ Foreign Policy but is a total squish on fiscal & social policy (see: Lugar, Dick)
Same thing happened in '08
blarman Wednesday, May 11th at 10:44AM EST (link)When the Republican Presidential race started, you had effectively four candidates: “moderate/liberal” McCain and Guiliani, and “conservative” Romney and Huckabee. When Guiliani bowed out due to a huge strategic mistake to bet everything on Florida, you were left with only one “moderate/liberal” candidate, while the other two split the votes of the slightly larger “conservative” portion of voters. McCain should have won easily if he were the better candidate. In actuality, Huckabee siphoned off just enough votes from Romney to keep him from getting the nomination outright, even though polls clearly showed that voters would have chosen Romney over McCain by a wide margin. All this despite the fact that Huckabee knew midway through the campaign that he had no chance of winning against either McCain or Romney.
The point is that sometimes there IS a better candidate who doesn’t end up getting the nomination simply because of vote splitting. McCain lost to Obama because he was no different in actuality (and because of the favorable media coverage). Either Romney or Huckabee would have presented a much greater contrast to Obama and given voters a clear choice between freedom/capitalism or socialism/slavery.
I can only hope that if we get any “moderate” (read RINO) Republicans that put their hats in (like Trump) that there is at least two, or we are going to end up in the same boat we were in last election when people threw their hands up in despair.
Mourdock can beat Lugar
redstatesuccess Tuesday, May 10th at 9:11AM EST (link)We only have one challenger to Dick Lugar right now, and he is a well-respected and formidable conservative – our State Treasurer, Richard Mourdock.
So, PLEASE donate to Richard Mourdock at http://www.richardmourdock.com
Let’s beat Lugar – he’s basically a Dem on many issues anyway!
And this is the guy...
bs61 Tuesday, May 10th at 9:12AM EST (link)that Mitch Daniels would turn to on foreign policy?!!!
What's the problem with that?
cordpt Tuesday, May 10th at 9:54AM EST (link)Lugar provides tremendous expertise on foreign policy. Reagan sought his advise on such matters often.
sure, if you like advice
streiff (Diary) Tuesday, May 10th at 10:05AM EST (link)that was appropriate 30 years ago, Lugar’s your man. He’s still getting free drinks over his fanciful claim that he’s the guy who got Marcos to leave the Philippines.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
What has changed?
cordpt Tuesday, May 10th at 10:45AM EST (link)What conservative principles of 30 years ago are not fit for use any more, according to you?
I still believe Burke’s thought is extremely relevant to contemporary foreign affairs – probably today more than ever – and the man died more than 300 years ago.
I guess one could argue that Lugar lacks the knowledge of the current set of circumstances and state of affairs. I see no evidence whatsoever of that, but maybe you can provide it. In fact, the early returns suggest that he was right on questioning Obama’s Administration decisions on Libya, just to mention the most recent case.
Conservative Ascendancy.
libertyatstake Tuesday, May 10th at 9:20AM EST (link)Ur either with us or ‘agin us.
That’s why O’Donnell and Angle were perfectly good candidates. It’s not about reading a teleprompter anymore.
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http://libertyatstake.blogspot.com/
“Because the Only Good Progressive is a Failed Progressive”
Not hardly.
mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, May 10th at 10:21AM EST (link)O’Donnell won not because she was a “good” candidate but because Castle was probably the second worst candidate who’s ever run for the US Senate. He ran on an entitlement platform – “I’m entitled to be your Senator!” – and the moderates didn’t show up. O’Donnell bounced in with a bunch of TP & Palin money and made a late run, she didn’t have time to jam both feet in her mouth in the primary, but she sure took care of that in the general.
You need to wake up and smell reality. Both O’Donnell and Angle were horrible candidates. The electorate at large in both states hated them from the start and neither did anything to even attempt to turn that around. More like that and we’ll be the minority party for a thousand years.
O'Donnell was horrible; Angle, at least, was somewhat debatable.
juumanistra (Diary) Tuesday, May 10th at 11:28AM EST (link)My scars from the DE primary still haven’t healed. Horrible nastiness, all around. I knew it was going to be rough when a week before the primary fliers started turning up in my mailbox from the O’Donnell camp, loudly proclaiming Sarah Palin’s support. But yes, let me second that she did not “win” the primary so much as Castle lost it: He severely underestimated how anger the base was with things like cap-and-trade and how much the DE base had changed since he last had to really face it. O’Donnell was merely the vehicle for conservative discontent: Her problems were visible even then though, in-particular her penchant for conspiracy-mongering and her inability to form, let alone enunciate, a positive legislative agenda.
Angle, though, at least had been elected to public office at one point. To the state house, no less! Simply having faced the voters and won ought to qualify a candidate to be placed in a higher competency tier than Christine O’Donnell. That higher tier might be “patently bad” to O’Donnell’s “horrible”, but it’s still a step up.
I agree
aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, May 10th at 12:55PM EST (link)Angle didn’t really start plummeting until she made comments about email forwards and the like, whereas COD was just a hot mess, and had been for years. Angle was bad, but not the equivalent of COD.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
I don't get point 2
cordpt Tuesday, May 10th at 9:28AM EST (link)Are you really claiming that the primary winner is always the candidate best positioned to have the best result possible in the general election? That’s patently absurd. Of course Mike Castle would do a lot better than Christine O’Donnell in the general election – the electorate is much different (it’s larger and moderate/centrist/independent/low-info voters come into play) and the scrutiny is higher, which highlights the candidates flaws. For instances, I still believe Reagan would have beaten Carter in ’76.
So yeah, your thesis doesn’t make any sense and it’s a poor refutation of Lugar’s claim – you’re duped into his trick of making every “tea party” candidate one and the same (not a novel mistake around here, see the endorsment of O’Donnell because she decided to babble some Tea Party sounding lines). The right point of attack here is to simply state that Mourdock, unlike Angle or O’Donnell, is a good candidate who has a good chance of winning the general election.
Agreed, 5 nt
aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, May 10th at 12:56PM EST (link)The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Agree with you on Buck.
NightTwister (Diary) Tuesday, May 10th at 9:30AM EST (link)He wasn’t a bad candidate. Unfortunately, he wasn’t the candidate with the better chance to beat Bennet, so a relatively unknown Senator (we called him “Senator Who?”) that never saw a spending bill that he didn’t like was reelected in an election cycle that favored Republicans.
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill
Buck was 'the man' and it is my
capeconservative Wednesday, May 11th at 10:39AM EST (link)belief that he would have won had the voter registration rolls been checked and cleaned up!
Colorado is just one of many states that NEED TO CLEAN UP their registration books before the next election!!!! Granted we will never see that happen in Chicago, but let’s face it, the Franken win was VERY questionable as was the WA governor’s race where there were more votes cast than there were registered voters…yet NOTHING gets done…NO investigations…NO charges…NOTHING!!!!
Americans MUST be able to trust the results of our elections – otherwise we are no different than Iran! Give me a purple finger!!! It’s better than all the questionable voters being allowed to vote multiple times! Urge your state to work on cleaning up the rolls – they have 1-1/2 years to get it done!
I almost forgot about the great
capeconservative Wednesday, May 11th at 10:41AM EST (link)Murkowski “we can change the rules after the fact” win! We had a write-in election in our state that was determined by misspelled names NOT being counted!
Joe Miller was the winner, fair and square!
Wow, that's a huge reach.
NightTwister (Diary) Wednesday, May 11th at 4:18PM EST (link)The numbers simply don’t support your claims. All of the other statewide races (save for the Gov. race) went to the Republicans. We also gained two U.S. House seats back. The Republican voters were there, they just didn’t vote for Buck.
There’s simply no evidence of widespread voter fraud that would’ve been sufficient to turn that election the other way. Buck just wasn’t electable in 2010, plain and simple.
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill
So he is trying to scare the GOP voters into supporting his primary bid?
earlgrey (Diary) Tuesday, May 10th at 9:42AM EST (link)He comes off as a real elitist. he needs to get the boot.
Disagree on point 2
Kyle-MI (Diary) Tuesday, May 10th at 9:53AM EST (link)Angle won a plurality of the votes at 40%. That means that 60% voted against her. There were two other strong conservative candidates (Lowden and Tarkanian) that could have done better in the general election and did not have the baggage that Angle did.
Also while Castle lost the GOP primary, he would have done much better attracting crossover votes from independents and Dems. Of course, we would be in only very, very mildly better shape. As you point out he probably would not have voted to repeal Obamacare and he would have been a constant threat to switch parties.
Another difference between Mourdock and the rest
Kyle-MI (Diary) Tuesday, May 10th at 9:58AM EST (link)Mourdock has won state-wide office, indicating some state-wide appeal, name recognition, and campaign infrastructure.
Not Surprised
Scott_Fluhr Tuesday, May 10th at 10:19AM EST (link)As one of the county chairmen that endorsed Richard Mourdock over Dick Lugar, I can’t say that I’m surprised by this email (which I likewise received).
This sort of “listen to your betters” communication is par for the course for Lugar lately. There’s a haughty arrogance and condescension that seems to be the prerequisite of that campaign ever since there were even whisperings that Mourdock might run (and there were grumblings against Lugar for many years long before that).
But what struck me about the email was not so much that he called Mourdock supporters and his own party’s county chairmen “dupes.” What struck me was the paragraph near the end (which Leon didn’t quote) where Lugar threatened to run as an independent, basically telling Mourdock supporters and party leaders that they should “rally” to him, and saying that he would run without them (presumably outside of the Republican Party as an independent) if they did not do so.
I’ve never seen a campaign email like this before. “Support me, or I’ll run and win without you.” That’s a whole new level of arrogance. In fact, arrogant doesn’t begin to cover it.
I also don’t buy for one second the Lugar argument that Mourdock is unelectable. He led the Republican ticket in Indiana in 2010. In fact, he got more votes in Joe Donnelly’s district (the likely Democratic Senate nominee) than Donnelly got.
http://www.hoosierpundit.com
The entire email
Leon H. Wolf (Diary) Tuesday, May 10th at 10:01PM EST (link)I didn’t really get that he was saying he was going to run as an independent, just that he was prepared to work without the county chairs. YMMV.
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We can’t stop here. This is bat country.
I thought for a minute you were
capeconservative Wednesday, May 11th at 10:46AM EST (link)“…There’s a haughty arrogance and condescension that seems to be the prerequisite of that campaign…”
discussing the ‘haughty’ and ‘arrogant’ John Kerry…our illustrious do-nothing senator who I could see sending a similar message to his constituents. In this state, however, the Dems don’t give a hoot if a candidate is qualified or not…if there is a D after their name, that is all that counts!
I'm sick and tired
bassethound Tuesday, May 10th at 11:50AM EST (link)of being told that WE have to compromise and change…that WE have to “reach out” and be more inclusive. NEVER are the Dems lectured to do ANY of this.
I’m sick and tired of the Washington Post and the MSM selecting OUR candidates.
And BTW, I always thought that Luger looks exactly like Quark the Feringi on Star Trek Deep Space Nine.
I'm with cordpt.
schteve Tuesday, May 10th at 4:31PM EST (link)“it’s ridiculous to claim that the GOP would have done better if it had nominated the candidates who were routed by the aforementioned bad candidates in the primary.”
You seriously have no realistic grasp on how primaries work if that’s the case. Of course the voters in the Republican primary are going to be more conservative and thus prefer a more conservative candidate. That doesn’t at all mean that one of the losers of the primary wouldn’t be able to court the middle of the masses in a general election.
Sore Loser
gumbeaux Wednesday, May 11th at 7:32AM EST (link)Lugar is upset because the Tea Party did not support him. The Tea Party found that he was not their cup of tea.
I would like to see ALL primaries,
capeconservative Wednesday, May 11th at 10:51AM EST (link)state and national, be closed to those who are not registered members of that particular party.
In our state, there are more so-called ‘unenrolled’ voters who like to create mischief by voting in the primaries for opponents they would like to face their preferred candidates.
As long as I’m in my ‘would like to see’ mode, I’d like to see a national primary day replace the current process of just a few states being allowed to select our final candidates. That is OUTMODED and needs to disappear!