By now, you’ve heard or seen the news: President Obama (D-IL) has accepted the resignation of Gen. Stanley McChrystal, who had until now been in charge of the coalition’s erstwhile efforts in Afghanistan, and is attempting to demote General David Betray Us Petraeus from CENTCOM commander to czar of the eastern front of the Global War on Terror Isolated Effort to Diplomatically Prevent Man-Caused, Non-Islam-Related Disasters.
Though my friend, and fellow War on Terror-era veteran, John Noonan disagrees, as do eminent persons like Max Boot and Rich Lowry, I see this as a move which proves Obama’s understanding of policy and strategy — particularly that which went in to taking the Iraq effort from near-failure to success — really don’t go deeper than the most cosmetic level.
For the entirety of his term in office, Obama has been trying to have it both ways on Afghanistan — refusing to make any actual decisions, while trying to avoid altogether reneging on his campaign pledge to win the war in Afghanistan at the expense of an Iraq effort he denigrated, and the success of which he has constantly denied.
His unwillingness — if not utter inability — to perform the Commander in Chief’s job was put on display for all to see in 2009, when he took a full 10 months to “review” the situation in Afghanistan (a job done for him, and handed over on a silver platter, by the outgoing Bush administration). At the end of that interminable period, which saw American troops dying weekly while their National Command Authority wavered and dawdled, Obama finally made his Afghanistan policy public, issuing a stream of platitudes and half-measures which reflected a lack of understanding about – and an overall unwillingness to accept – the facts on the ground in the region and the gravity of America’s fight there.
Obama eventually issued an order for 30,000 more troops to deploy to Afghanistan, to augment the paltry 33,000 already on the ground in a country the size of Texas. Of course, this bold move by the neophyte president was nothing of the sort; the 30,000-troop ‘surge’ had already been set in motion by President Bush in November 2008, so all Obama did was fail to prevent it from being carried out.
By allowing that ‘surge’ in troops to go forward, labeling it a ‘strategy,’ and expecting the same outcome as was achieved by his predecessor in Iraq, Obama demonstrated that he, like so many others in the media and political establishments, had bought hook, line, and sinker the idea that the early 2007 ‘surge’ in American troops deployed to the latter country was the bromide that squelched the terrorist resistance there and gave the Iraqi people the time, the resources, and the will to pull their ailing country together. This meme was pushed by a mainstream media which sold the comprehensive strategic overhaul brought to the table by General David Petraeus, and OK’d by then-President Bush, as being nothing more than a shipping-out of a few thousand more soldiers – an absurdly simplistic description of the massive changes made in order to provide the Iraqi people with both the security and the incentive to make the giant strides they have in the last two years.
With his decision to replace outgoing General McChrystal, a fine special operator but a man who was never able to find a way to succeed while facing the dual pressure of an incredibly complex situation in Afghanistan and a commander in chief who wanted no part of war or decision, with General Petraeus, Obama has revealed, and exhausted, the extent of what he seems to see as the “Iraq playbook.” That playbook, if you will, consists of two items:
- Throw 30,000 troops at the problem.
- Make Gen. Petraeus the titular leader of the war effort.
In other words, this decision shows me that Obama has learned nothing from the Iraq effort except that 30k troops plus David Petraeus somehow magically equals massive turnaround and, quickly thereafter, victory. The only message this sends that is stronger than the one about Obama’s utter lack of understanding about what actually happened in Iraq while he was busy trying to oppose the effort there at all costs, is that Obama really believes doing exactly what he thinks George W. Bush did is the way to win wars that are vital to our nation’s security.
That’s quite an admission for an administration whose entire problem-solving playbook consists of “blame George W. Bush” to be making, isn’t it? (Add to that the admission, via attempted replication, that the Bush’s Iraq strategy actually did bear significant fruit, despite Obama’s repeated — and ridiculous — declarations otherwise).
Of course, it won’t work. Throwing a single, unsupported man at an incredibly convoluted and difficult theater of war won’t produce a magical turnaround, no matter how hard Obama wishes for it, and no matter how fervently he believes that’s exactly what George W. Bush did.
Obama’s effort to take the only two pages he recognizes out of George W. Bush’s Iraq playbook make it incredibly likely that his Afghan effort will continue to be the antithesis of his predecessor’s Iraq success, achieving few if any strategic or tactical gains and instead leaving the 60,000 American GIs on the ground in that foreign land to serve as cannon fodder in mis- (or un-)directed pursuit of a “victory” Obama refuses to even define.
If Obama’s ‘new strategy’ — last year’s ‘surge’ and this year’s appointment of Petraeus to lead the war effort — ends up being less than an overwhelming success, it is likely that the calls for a mass withdrawal from the war-torn area and the key front in the War on Terror will escalate. Part of the stated rationale for this renewed call for surrender will be the claim that “we tried exactly what worked in Iraq,” and because of the fact that it didn’t work, the war in Afghanistan must be “unwinnable.”
“Unwinnable” or not, Obama’s inability to grasp strategy and policy, and to actually make tough decision, make victory in this war on his watch highly, highly unlikely, Petraeus or no.
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Jeff,
Deskpilot (Diary) Wednesday, June 23rd at 3:19PM EST (link)You’re gonna need a bigger air compressor. Maybe a turbine compressor. Very efficient.
Jack-hammers like that run on a lot of air.
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Jeff Emanuel (Diary) Wednesday, June 23rd at 3:27PM EST (link)This one, however, runs on coffee and 5 hour energy
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And while he dithers,
Steph C (Diary) Wednesday, June 23rd at 3:25PM EST (link)even if the impossible is achieved, a victory in Afghanistan, Iran is not waiting in the wings to be next.
It’s going full steam ahead leaving us to contend with a nuclear holocaust that will be a result. Iran is quite willing to sacrifice itself as long as it can take us with it. By “us” I mean the West, not just the U.S.
That’s something I didn’t fully understand until recently and I doubt many do understand that. A nuclear Iran will make Afghanistan look like a cake walk in comparison… not to minimize the conditions in Afghanistan which are dire… but to point out how much worse it can, and likely will get.
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I'm not sure I agree
bannedtroll Wednesday, June 23rd at 6:15PM EST (link)If Iran sets off a nuke, I think that will be all the political cover we need to literally eviscerate them – maybe even North Korea too. All this goes out the window if Israel strikes first, but they’re in a situation that if they don’t, the first strike against them might be all that is necessary to wipe them out.
This “you hit Israel, we vaporize you” understanding will probably be enough to keep the peace for a while, but the tyrants of that region do have to wonder if Obama has the stones to respond in kind to an unprovoked nuclear attack. My guess is probably yes, since he will have the political cover, which obviously is all that really matters to him.
Nevertheless, hopefully we can replace him with a real CIC in a couple of years, so they can remove all doubt about the fury that will be unleashed upon Iran, NoKo and et al all if they even think about it.
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Only if we have the time.
Steph C (Diary) Thursday, June 24th at 12:18AM EST (link)What you say depends on how much time we have. Plus, we’re talking about a country with leaders who don’t care about the destruction. There’s a difference between them and us in that respect. We’d rather not but will if we have to. They will simply because they can.
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Weaken Missile Defense
mdd1956 Thursday, June 24th at 11:49AM EST (link)wasn’t that the nincompoop’s first military decision ???
Yes. nt
Steph C (Diary) Friday, June 25th at 8:52AM EST (link)“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
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If General Betrayus Doesn't Work Out....
Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Wednesday, June 23rd at 3:31PM EST (link)He’ll have to bring back GENERAL LIES AND POWER!
” I side impenitently with the human race against the modern reformer.” – C.S. Lewis
Fighting the last war
Loren Heal (Diary) Wednesday, June 23rd at 3:33PM EST (link)is not the sole province of retired Generals, it seems.
Perhaps someone should inform Mr. Obama that it’s not 2006.
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Wow.
Raven (Diary) Wednesday, June 23rd at 3:43PM EST (link)First, that he actually got rid of him, but even more WOW that he chose Petraeus as the replacement.
I was rather expecting the guy who came up with the “Restraint Medal” crap.
Good on Obama. Now let’s see if he’ll let our man do some smart things (like completely revise the ROE).
I certainly would not mind deploying into Petraeus’s command.
“If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
Luke 22:36
no good on Obama... ever...
Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle) (Diary) Wednesday, June 23rd at 5:40PM EST (link)He’s been very cavalier with the lives of our troops, and the stability of the entire region of Afghanistan… he should have given McChrystal all the troops he asked for in the first place. If this becomes politicized in any way you’ll soon see that Obama has plans to betray Patraeus… I don’t believe he wants failure… I believe he doesn’t want accountability to any potential failure… he is weak spinned.
“Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. “ -James Madison
Bambi thinks nothing whatsoever of feeding young patriotic men into a meat grinder
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Wednesday, June 23rd at 3:45PM EST (link)He finally has become LBJ.
Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO
Amen to this. I lost friends in Viet Nam
Tbone (Diary) Wednesday, June 23rd at 3:51PM EST (link)and watched how the futility of that war caused by political dithering disillusioned many more for life.
This is why when I look at Obama, I see the scum of the earth.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
Very few politicians do
aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, June 23rd at 4:48PM EST (link)For all his faults, Bush was an excellent titular head of the Armed Forces, and should be commended as such.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
I wonder if he picked Petraeus because
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Wednesday, June 23rd at 3:53PM EST (link)he hoped it would shut up conservatives, who in general lionize petraeus.
If he picked the logical successor — I’m not sure who that is, but I expect it’s a name nowhere near as prominent as either of these two — he figures he’d get bloody hell for chosing his own vanity over the war effort.
Just a thought.
Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO
*I* wonder...
Charles Cianfrocca (Diary) Wednesday, June 23rd at 4:12PM EST (link)…if Petraeus, being no idiot himself, told Zero he’d do it, but the first time he even smells p*ssy from the WH, he’s gone.
“Get your hand out of my pocket. Ain’t nothin’ there that belongs to you.”
- Sonny Boy Williamson
Curious possibility
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Wednesday, June 23rd at 4:17PM EST (link)OK Bambi, I’ll do it. And you’re gonna get me the 60k troops McChrystal asked for, and we’re gonna drop those ridiculous ROE in favor of something more realistic.
And the first time you stab me in the back, I’m gone. And I’m gonna tell the whole world what is’e REALLY like working for you.
Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO
Well, yeah;
Charles Cianfrocca (Diary) Wednesday, June 23rd at 4:37PM EST (link)Let’s be serious – who thinks he DISAGREES with McChrystal? He may be too smart to say it to the press, but he knows it. I can’t imagine that if the president denied him what he needed, he would take it lying down.
And let’s face it. If not him, who else was there to pick? He has Zero over a barrel.
“Get your hand out of my pocket. Ain’t nothin’ there that belongs to you.”
- Sonny Boy Williamson
Well, yeah;
Charles Cianfrocca (Diary) Wednesday, June 23rd at 4:37PM EST (link)Let’s be serious – who thinks he DISAGREES with McChrystal? He may be too smart to say it to the press, but he knows it. I can’t imagine that if the president denied him what he needed, he would take it lying down.
And let’s face it. If not him, who else was there to pick? He has Zero over a barrel.
“Get your hand out of my pocket. Ain’t nothin’ there that belongs to you.”
- Sonny Boy Williamson
I'd be willing to bet on it
Raven (Diary) Wednesday, June 23rd at 5:58PM EST (link)And I would also bet that if we see General Petraeus resign in disgust, then we’ll also see a Petraeus candidacy.
He has a reputation as a nice guy till you piss him off. He doesn’t leave many enemies, political or military, intact for long.
“If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
Luke 22:36
I agree
antisocial (Diary) Wednesday, June 23rd at 4:14PM EST (link)This is damage control. Changing the narrative. We now know what military thinks of TBP.
Only Men can understand the stuff about battle, patriotism and guts. TBP has no idea.
Obama Doctrine – Boot On The Throat
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The Emperor has no clothes!!!
Perhaps...
cusefan96 Wednesday, June 23rd at 5:26PM EST (link)Petraeus, it has been speculated by the MSM, could be a potential Republican Pres. candidate in 2012. Perhaps this is an attempt to head that off, just as he did when Huntsman was regarded as a potential contender.
Send Petraeus to the rescue b/c the Republicans want him, don’t provide any support, hamstring him as much as possible, ensure he fails…viola! Another one down.
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“Sweep the leg…finish him!”
that may be one reason...
Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle) (Diary) Wednesday, June 23rd at 5:24PM EST (link)let’s face it, Obama acts by hubris… he has a “cunning” plan no doubt…
It’s one way to busy a potential opponent in 2012…
Obama most likely put Petraeus back in the saddle, promising him anything, while working in the background to get Congress to undermine everything… Even if Petraeus is smart enough to detect a ruse coming, he may be stuck due to his loyalty to the mission and the troops. I think Obama is counting on this… He comes out a hero either way…
If there’s complete success – it’s because Obama got the right team together by reaching across political lines…
If it turns into a long term never ending Vietnam episode, It’s the failed strategies of the military leaders that Bush trusted.
Obama is becoming an LBJ.
“Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. “ -James Madison
Not that Obama would EVER make a national security decision based on his own political well being
Return to Revolution (Diary) Wednesday, June 23rd at 3:54PM EST (link)but all those Petraeus 2012 folks can forget it now. No idea if he would’ve been a frontrunner anyway but this appointment does pretty much nix any chances of him running.
Out of hand Constitutional fetishist
It is convenient for Obama.
littlehouse18 (Diary) Wednesday, June 23rd at 4:53PM EST (link)He takes Petraeus out of the 2012 running and gets to blame him if things continue to fall apart because Obama’s own (intentional?) bungling.
I'd like to see
pamdale Thursday, June 24th at 5:05AM EST (link)McCrystal run in 2012. A man who understands strategy and who likes to win.
Except, he wasn't cognizant enough...
uselogic Thursday, June 24th at 12:47PM EST (link)to say “Hell NO!” to letting a lefty writer with an antipathy towards the military from hard left Rolling Stone magazine have inner access. Kind of a judgement failure on that one and might evidence a political tin ear.
Obama is a lazy do nothing...
snowshooze (Diary) Wednesday, June 23rd at 4:20PM EST (link)” Be respectful, or be banned. No Profanity. ”
I’ll have to admit that the rules apply to any statement I can think of at this point.
He still lacks insight
wilfranc Wednesday, June 23rd at 4:31PM EST (link)The problem Obama had with McCrystal was not the interview with Rolling Stone, it started long before that, possibly with Obama’s decision to supply a surge of troops less than the general wanted and with the strings attached of a deadline.
Does Obama’s statement today, stating a persistence in implementing the same policy in Afghanistan with a different general, foretell of confidence in a better outcome? I am skeptical, for I surmise the renegade article was intended to expose an underlying level of distaste for the exisiting personel and policy by not only the general, but his staff. Does Petreaus come in and change attitudes, bring his own staff, and see a reasonable possiblity of success by persuing the same policy. (removing troops next year)?
Obama was forced to fire/accept a resignation because the frustration became public, he didn’t nip it in the bud, sign of poor management.
Supposedly Bush got the message about the muddling with Iraq and it was when Rumsfield went, and Petreaus offered the surge.
A CIC who disdains using the word "victory"
glorybee Wednesday, June 23rd at 5:08PM EST (link)will not take the necessary steps to win a war. When the troops are given laminated cards telling them not to patrol certain areas lest they get shot at and rumors abound that said troops do not have bullets, what we have here is more than failure to communicate. What we have is failure at every level of the responsibilities and will of a CIC. Petreaus is a cover, a shill, a device to make Obama seem more manly without actually trying to succeed. There will only be more blood, more loss, Karzai throwing his lot with the enemy and utter failure with this man as President. He IS the enemy of America and the consequences of his deicisions & actions make this evident.
Have you plugged the hole yet Daddy?
gwalt Wednesday, June 23rd at 5:21PM EST (link)Yes honey, I fired him.
There. Obama plugged “a” hole.
Mission accomplished.
Next; a round of golf to congratulate himself.
“A lot of briefing for a 2 hr. special with Dan Rather. Saw the show & wonder why we bothered”. –Ronald Reagan, The Reagan Diaries (January 27, 1982)
But what if the whole thing boils down to....
kowalski (Diary) Wednesday, June 23rd at 5:26PM EST (link)But what if the whole thing really boils down to…
“I actually don’t want to win this war, I want to close it down as quickly as possible?”
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My sincere belief is that McChrystal
kowalski (Diary) Wednesday, June 23rd at 5:31PM EST (link)My sincere belief is that McChrystal talked to some gabfester from Rolling Stone because he knew, and knows, that Obama intends to pull the plug on the war.
But McChrystal wasn’t going to go on for another year and let his command be blamed for “losing” it. Now — in the public view and in the public mind — it’s Petraeus’ war to lose. Petraeus is going to be the fall guy now. McChrystal decided he’d rather in pseudo-disgrace before being castigated in front of the American public by a Commander In Chief who never intended to win the war.
And believe me, Barack Obama doesn’t intend to prosecute it much longer. That’s my guess, anway.
In the end, it’s the President’s war to lose and he knows that very well. What he will do in the end is blame whatever General is in charge, and McChrystal just didn’t want to slog on for another year only to be blamed for a failure that he had no power to change. The important decisions in Afghanistan are being made in the Oval Office, not the Pentagon.
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Obama wants to run away
GT350 Wednesday, June 23rd at 6:36PM EST (link)… just like my $%^## Congressman.
My congressman (John Garamendi) thinks this whole war thing is just wrongheaded. He wants to remove the troops but leave the civilian engagement there (see today’s interview in Politico). I guess he figures that it worked so well in Vietnam…
I call him frequently, to tell him that he is an idiot. Specifically, this time, I told him that “McChrystal’s only mistake was leaving out your name among the civilian idiots running this war.
What a moron
aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, June 23rd at 6:39PM EST (link)How are NGOs supposed to do anything in a country as dysfunctional and violent as Afghanistan without protection? Even if you don’t agree with OEF, it’s pretty stupid to think that the civvies will do just fine on their own.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
John Garamendi *IS* a Moron, And An Unpopular One...
IJB Wednesday, June 23rd at 6:59PM EST (link)…even here in CA, which is why he came within about a 5% swing of losing a D+11 district.
If a Republican ends up winning CA-10 some day soon, it’ll be almost entirely thanks to the idiocy of John Garamendi! Of that, I have no doubt…
Is McChrystal still in the Military?
snowshooze (Diary) Wednesday, June 23rd at 5:54PM EST (link)How fired is he?
Found AP at Yahoo via Drudge...
snowshooze (Diary) Wednesday, June 23rd at 6:21PM EST (link)Obama seemed to suggest that McChrystal’s military career is over, saying the nation should be grateful “for his remarkable career in uniform” as if that has drawn to a close. McChrystal left the White House after the meeting and returned to his military quarters at Washington’s Fort McNair.
It Appears Stan is a free man
Sorry if I duplicated the post….didn’t look like it “took”
Another "present" vote for little o
renny (Diary) Wednesday, June 23rd at 6:56PM EST (link)Obama knows NOTHING of the military, Afghanistan, Iraq, the Middle East, or Western history, and what he knows could be scrawled on my dog’s left hind foot.
Of course, he wants it ALL ways. Not enough troops, no firing back unless you are already certifiably dead which proves you were fired on first, reading “rights” (what rights?) to insurgents, making nice with Afghanistan insurgents of all stripes and tribes, and trying to keep any news or disturbing reality from penetrating the White House or any semi-conscious MSM reporter, so it can more profitably spend its time suing Louisiana and Arizona over situations the federals are too incompetent and stupid to resolves.
Is Afghanistan really about terrorists or Li?
grandma Wednesday, June 23rd at 7:15PM EST (link)There is a LOT of $$ to be made there.
Lindsey Graham needs to shut his pie hole.
Old_Crow (Diary) Wednesday, June 23rd at 7:37PM EST (link)Graham’s statements regarding the McChrystal incident have been cavalier, he does not understand combat and has a typical JAG lawyer’s disdain for front line troops.
The Senator needs to crawl back into his wormhole and leave war fighting issues to the professionals. It’s always interesting to see the rear echelon types strut out their uniforms when a press camera is available.
“Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm.” — James Madison
And..
snowshooze (Diary) Wednesday, June 23rd at 8:05PM EST (link)I hope McChrystal told Obama to shove it.
ISAF
jeffersonian76 Thursday, June 24th at 7:58AM EST (link)The International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) – I Suck At Fighting – that’s funny – I know, these are serious times, but that IS funny – and, it wouldn’t be funny if it wasn’t true!
Petraeus confirm hearings
talgus Thursday, June 24th at 12:04PM EST (link)Republicans should bring up the statements made by Obama and Clinton and others to ask why the General is now OK. What has changed?? Some good dagger twisting. The only one that needed to be retired was the WON back to being a community agitator.
obama
1stsgt Thursday, June 24th at 5:03PM EST (link)I can not state my real feelings for this clown. To say he doesn’t know military operations is an understatement. From what I have seen and heard this guy is a messed up person. I consider him a USELESS Idiot.