
One hundred sixty four years ago, on this date in the year 1848, in the conquered and occupied Federal District of Mexico, the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo was signed by representatives of US President James Polk and interim Mexican President Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna, ending the war between the two countries.
By every possible measure, the war ended as a decisive victory for the United States and a humiliating defeat for Mexico. As a result of the treaty, Mexico ceded all rights to territory north of the Rio Grande and the Gila River, including all of California, Nevada, Utah, and Texas, parts of Kansas, Colorado, Wyoming, and Oklahoma, as well as the parts of Arizona and New Mexico not later bought in the Gadsden Purchase. From Mexico’s perspective, a perspective that recognized neither the revolutions in Texas and California nor the Annexation of Texas, the country lost over half of its prewar territory.
The combined Gross State Products of CA, NV, UT, and TX in 2008 were, according to Wikipedia, approximately $3.27 trillion, as Texas and California were our two most productive states. The entirety of Mexico that year produced about $1.55 trillion, less than half of the Mexican Cession’s total output even when we exclude the partial states given up in the treaty.
Yes, it’s clear that the war was a terrible disaster for Mexico, a loss that to this date grates and shames their national ego, which is why we see the Reconquista movement today, as groups like La Raza weep at the contrast of the prosperity of northern Mexico-in-America versus the failure of southern Mexico-in-Mexico. After all, the land ceded to us was mostly empty. It was southern Mexico that had all the people. We built what we have today from next to nothing.
It’s no wonder that, as the US tried to negotiate a settlement with Mexico, many of Mexico’s elites asked the US simply to annex the entire country. Even then, the writing was on the wall about the fates of the two nations. And of course to this day Mexicans who long for prosperity and freedom come here, in such great numbers that we’re having trouble dealing with it.
In looking back at what has happened since the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, it becomes clear that our Constitution, our values, and our way of life that are critical to our prosperity we have enjoyed, even as petro-rich Mexico has lagged far behind.
We’re Americans. We’re even allowed to be proud of that.

Victoria Coates
Daniel Horowitz
America and Mexico.
rechts Thursday, February 2nd at 5:39AM EST (link)Prior to the Texas Revolution and Mexican-American War, Alexis de Tocqueville observed in Democracy in America:
“The inhabitants of the United States are perpetually migrating to Texas, where they purchase land; and although they conform to the laws of the country, they are gradually founding the empire of their own language and their own manners. The province of Texas is still part of the Mexican dominions, but it will soon contain no Mexicans”
and predicted:
“It may easily be foreseen that if Mexico takes no steps to check this change, the province of Texas will very shortly cease to belong to that government.”
Of course Tocqueville was right. The American immigrants shared little identity with Mexico and Mexico eventually lost not only Texas, but its entire northern territories.
Mexico has never forgotten this and to this day have some of the strictest immigration laws in the world.
Curiously, while they maintain their policy, they criticize the U.S. and seem to think it should throw open its doors to Mexican citizens. Maybe hoping for a little bit of history repeating itself — except this time in their favor.
" We’re even allowed to be proud of that"
throwback59 Thursday, February 2nd at 7:24AM EST (link)Are you sure? In Obama’s America?
Interesting to speculate on what might have happened
MikeG (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 7:39AM EST (link)had the US annexed the whole territory of Mexico.
Of course, integrating that many people into the American Republic and American system of government would have presented an enormous challenge: unlike the American colonies, Mexico had no long history of democratic self-rule or governance under Common Law (still doesn’t, as a matter of fact). True, America has always been able to assimilate immigrants from all around the world, but never millions at a time, and never as a result of conquest. America’s first generation immigrant population has consistently been both a) a small percentage of the total population, and b) excited and determined to come to our shores and become American citizens. On the balance, I’m pretty confident the right call was made by restricting our annexations to the northern territories.
Still, one wonders what might have been…
We stole it
banzaibob (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 9:05AM EST (link)I just smile when I hear those of Mexican heritage talk about how the gringo stole their land and why we need to give it back. Just ask them who was here before the Spanish then Mexicans and I am sure they will give you a quizzical expression. I’m sure the Native Americans such as the Hopi, Navajo, Comanche, and Apache would love to hear their answer, oh and don’t forget the Chiricahua in Northern Mexico.
Those who like to be considered as Mexican-American instead of American should consider themselves lucky as they have freedoms and economic opportunity that they don’t have in Mexico. They should think about that especially since more people are trying to sneak into this country versus American sneaking into Mexico.
Prefiero morir de pie que vivir de rodillas
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Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 11:04AM EST (link).
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Agree, banzaibob ! I've often made this point.
avagreen Thursday, February 2nd at 11:23AM EST (link)I’m of Indian heritage and laugh at the inconsistency of this type thinking.
The indigent Indians of Mexico were pushed aside for the present day citizens of Mexico.
These Indians are now the “poorest of the poor” in Mexico and are treated with the disrespect that blacks in the U.S. were treated prior to civil rights movements in the 50′s and 60′s.
An example of how they are being treated: http://www.mexconnect.com/articles/3310-sterilization-of-indians-in-mexico
http://www.indigenouspeople.net/indios3.htm
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Nice propaganda
Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 11:28AM EST (link)Copy/paste from DKos?
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No, Neil. this has been a project of mine for years......
avagreen Thursday, February 2nd at 11:32AM EST (link)I don’t appreciate the insult, btw.
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do you dispute that the the indigenous Indians were displaced?
avagreen Thursday, February 2nd at 11:33AM EST (link)Or, that they are among the poorest in Mexico?
What’s the deal here?
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Mexico isn't my concern
Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 11:39AM EST (link)I’m angry at the idea that people are going to claim that we “stole” things.
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Then, you and I are on the same page....
avagreen Thursday, February 2nd at 11:43AM EST (link)You need to read what he said and what I said.
There is nothing about American ‘stealing” anything.
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Except the comment title
Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 11:44AM EST (link)That says “We stole it.”
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Oh well
Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 11:38AM EST (link)We didn’t “steal” anything. That’s Blame America Firstism to claim that.
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His statement didn't sound like America was being blamed......
avagreen Thursday, February 2nd at 11:41AM EST (link)It sounded like he was blaming Mexico for being hypocritical about our “stealing” Mexico from them, when they had done the same thing to the Indians that were in Mexico first.
Which they are still mistreating.
How do you get this to be a “blame America” theme?
It’s more like “quit whining about the American Southwest was ‘stolen’ from Mexico when you did and are doing the same thing right now” theme.
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Comment title seems clear to me
Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 11:43AM EST (link)If it was meant ironically, and I just missed it, I apologize.
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*whew* thanks, Neil. I've had enough insanity on other forums recently....
avagreen Thursday, February 2nd at 11:45AM EST (link)w/o more of the same here.
And, thanks for being honest about a mistake……..it’s rare these days.
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Yeah we may have had a miscommunication avagreen
Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 11:47AM EST (link)You replied in support of BanzaiBob ignoring the comment title, and I took your comment as a support of the entire comment, including the title.
Sorry. We’re on the same side here I think, if you’re only here to point out just how problematic Mexico has been.
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Can we give them California back?
youngsterz Thursday, February 2nd at 10:35AM EST (link)Just wondering. . . . .
They may not take it. That would be like buying a $100,000 house and assuming the $200,000 mortgage.
Not yet
Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, February 2nd at 11:12AM EST (link)Even when I get out I have family here.
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