Donald Trump in 2015: Still supports government-run universal healthcare

The fraud that is Donald J. Trump’s presidential campaign continues to be exposed. His decades-long support of liberal policies has come to light, but his supporters were quick to dismiss it. Ronald Reagan changed too, they said.

As for Trump’s positions today, well we don’t really know them. It would be helpful if his website had an issues page, but it doesn’t.

However, a few days ago Trump did talk about healthcare.

I am going to post what he said, and then break it down by section.

Trump said as president he was going to get people good plans that would have low costs.

“You know, I’m a very conservative guy, I’m Republican, I’m — number one, the people that can do it, we’re gonna get them plans that are so good, and we’re gonna break the borders, we’re gonna go, you know, the private plans,” he stated.

“You know, a lot of people had plans they loved, before Obamacare came along. You probably did. I have friends that had really good plans — now they have horrible plans, and they’re paying five times more for them. We’re gonna get great plans, we’re not gonna have huge costs. The biggest thing the government has to do is make sure these companies are very, very solvent, you know, that they’re very strong. Because what you don’t want is having a company collapse, right? So that’s the only function of the government. ”

Trump speaks in such a vague way that it is hard to tell what he is talking about, but what is comprehensible is problematic.

When he says “we’re gonna get them the plans that are so good” it sounds like the government is going to be involved with regulating health plans. That is what ObamaCare did. Maybe Trump would change some things, but it’s the same concept.

He should be explaining how the free market allows people to choose what they want. He should explain how the free market lowers costs. By saying “we” he means collective, and by collective I mean government.

His final point in this paragraph is absolutely terrible. He is essentially saying that if a health insurance company is in trouble, then the government should bail it out. That creates terrible moral hazard and as a businessman he should know that.

Ok, here is the second part:

Trump said his health care plan would take care of poorer people by negotiating deals with hospitals, saying he “actually a conservative with a heart.”

“Then on top of that, the people that can’t afford to do that, we have to help them out at the lower level,” added Trump. “We have to help them out. And I would make deals with hospitals, and I’d make deals with people where they can get some care, John. I mean, you can’t have a guy that has no money, that’s sick, and he can’t go see a doctor, he can’t go see a hospital. You know, I just don’t think you can have that. I mean, ‘cause I’m actually a conservative with a heart.”

Trump added that he didn’t care if he lost votes for his position, saying “you have to take care of poor people.”

“And if I lose votes for that, I don’t really care. Because you have to take care of poor people, you have to take — I mean, think of yourself. You’re really sick, and you’re not allowed to see a doctor; I mean, it’s almost like, sort of, that’s you’re being in hell. So we have to take care of people that are poor. We have to do it. And we can make a plan, we can work a deal — I can work a deal with hospitals that will be great for everybody, and they’ll be able to go there, and you’re not gonna want to do that, and it won’t be pretty, it won’t be as nice as the other, but at least they’re being taken care of.”

Negotiating deals with hospitals? Bernie Sanders would be proud, because you might as well call it “Medicaid for all.” Instead of worrying about governors expanding Medicaid, it sounds like Trump would have the federal government go ahead and do it nationally.

Trump’s comment that “I’m actually a conservative with a heart” is nearly on par with John Kasich’s “Christian” defense of Medicaid expansion in Ohio.

Again, he speaks so vaguely (and that may be intentional), but the bottom line is that he is arguing for government control of healthcare. He is not arguing for free market healthcare.

I cannot find any substantial difference between Trump and any Democrat on healthcare. No difference at all.

It might be instructive to look back at what he said in 1999, so we can better understand where he is coming from:

KING: Patients’ Bill of Rights: You mentioned health care as one of the social issues; you for it?

TRUMP: I think you have to have it, and, again, I said I’m conservative, generally speaking, I’m conservative, and even very conservative. But I’m quite liberal and getting much more liberal on health care and other things. I really say: What’s the purpose of a country if you’re not going to have defensive and health care?

If you can’t take care of your sick in the country, forget it, it’s all over. I mean, it’s no good. So I’m very liberal when it comes to health care. I believe in universal health care. I believe in whatever it takes to make people well and better.

KING: So you believe, then, it’s an entitlement of birth?

TRUMP: I think it is. It’s an entitlement to this country, and too bad the world can’t be, you know, in this country. But the fact is, it’s an entitlement to this country if we’re going to have a great country.

Maybe it is true that Donald Trump has changed on some issues. It could be equally possible that he is simply fooling people.

But one thing is clear: he hasn’t changed on healthcare.

If something kills his presidential bid, I predict this will be the issue.

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