Water Cooler 08/24/17 Open Thread; Polls Polls Polls Americans Will Still Fight For Our Rights; By Default You're A White Supremacist; Peace Activists ????;


73% Of Americans Say Offensive Speech A Right Worth Fighting To Defend

85% of Americans place freedom of speech over not offending anyone.

Americans agree freedom of speech is under assault but strongly insist that they are prepared to defend that freedom even at the cost of their lives if necessary.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that an overwhelming 85% of American Adults think giving people the right to free speech is more important than making sure no one is offended by what others say. Just eight percent (8%) think it’s more important to make sure no one gets offended. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

This shows little change from past surveying.  Eighty-three percent (83%) think it is more important for the United States to guarantee freedom of speech than it is to make sure nothing is done to offend other nations and cultures.

Seventy-three percent (73%) agree with the famous line by the 18th century French author Voltaire: “I disapprove of what you say but will defend to the death your right to say it.” Only 10% disagree with that statement, but 17% are undecided.

—Rasmussen Reports

While this may come as a surprise the way the media has been portraying recent events, it shouldn’t. Especially not after Boston’s free speech rally where brave people stood up for free speech to a horde of Antifa thugs intent on doing violence, not just to them but our way of life.

In related news it turns out while Americans will still defend your right to speak, they reserve the right to not believe you. Roughly half of voters think the press is actively trying to block the President’s agenda, as opposed to Obama’s

Nearly half of voters feel that the media is actively trying to block President Donald Trump from passing his agenda — a stark contrast to how voters felt in the Obama years. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

The survey of 1,000 Likely Voters was conducted on August 17 & 20, 2017 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Fieldwork for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC. See methodology.

—Rasmussen Reports

That was a week ago. By now, with the job the press has been doing , who knows ?


CNN Declares Ordinary People White Supremacists By Default

Just how is it these people still have any ratings left ? They certainly seem to despise the American public and the country overall.

White supremacists by default’: How ordinary people made Charlottesville possible

Blame President Trump for his tepid moral response. Call the neo-Nazis and white nationalists thugs. Fill your Facebook and Twitter accounts with moral outrage. But the tragedy that took place in Charlottesville this month could not have occurred without the tacit acceptance of millions of ordinary, law-abiding Americans who helped create such a racially explosive climate, some activists, historians and victims of extremism say.


Oh my millions of people that weren’t there and hate NAZIs were at fault. I don’t suppose there might be a little guilt for a Mayor who reportedly had his police department bring groups of people that hate each other into close proximity and then removed police presence ? I am not a lawyer but that sounds like criminal negligence or at least reckless endangerment to me.

It’s easy to focus on the angry white men in paramilitary gear who looked like they were mobilizing for a race war in the Virginia college town. But it’s the ordinary people — the voters who elected a reality TV star with a record of making racially insensitive comments, the people who move out of the neighborhood when people of color move in, the family members who ignore a relative’s anti-Semitism — who give these type of men room to operate, they say.


–Archive in case CNN decides to revise

It’s also easy not to do your job as a reporter and just make things up. The “Angry men in paramilitary gear” were the Oath keepers and Three Percenters, Who were there to defend the constitutional rights of all concerned, and denounced both sides.

Yingling called both sides protesting in Charlottesville “jackasses” and said his group was there only to guard the First Amendment, which protects the right to free speech. He said that the response to his call to attend the rally was small, because other members feared being associated with white supremacists.

Another militia whose members were reportedly present in Charlottesville as well, the “Three Percenters,” issued a “stand down” order in response to the protests, and denounced any members that chose to attend a neo-Nazi or white supremacy demonstrations, The Trace reported.


A silly person might think a dedication to protect people’s rights was noble and good, but, I suppose to CNN people who are willing to defend the constitution do look like the enemy.

According to Reuters Antifa are Peace Activists

In a now removed tweet Reuters news service calls Antifa “Peace Activists”. Perhaps they meant eternal peace activists ?

Once again the novel idea of reporters doing their jobs could have saved them the vicious mocking they received on Twitter. It wouldn’t have taken much, the Daily Wire had an excellent interview piece with Antifa members where they explained their positions

On Sunday, Antifa members took to the streets of Laguna Beach, California, to presumably protest President Donald Trump and the so-called “alt-right” in response to the Charlottesville rally-turned-fatal riot last weekend. But, when reporter Austen “Fleccas” Fletcher hit the scene to let the protesters speak for themselves, most of the protesters were clueless as to what exactly the “alt-right” even was and, unsurprisingly, they advocated for violence, including the assertion that “neo-Nazis” must be murdered.

“Find your Nazis, beat them, take them of their Nazi paraphernalia, and then leave them alive hurting and bleeding in their cowardice,” said one Antifa member.

“Same way we dealt with them in World War II: kill them. There’s no other way,” said another.

One “libertarian communist,” whatever the hell that is, insisted that we have “yet to have a communist state,” citing Star Trek as the ideal.

—The Daily Wire

Libertarian Communist ????  I suppose it goes well with peace advocates that destroy property and advocate murder.

Quote of the Day

Evidently, Republicans don’t depend on politicians for moral leadership. That’s probably a good call.

–Scott Adams


Drink up That’s it for the Water Cooler today. As always it’s an open thread

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