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I Am REQUIRED To Give You WHAT?

Here is something interesting – something I bet a lot of people didn’t know.

Financial aid, even for students over the age of 23 who haven’t been living at home can require you to give out your personal information.

If your child wants, at age 23 3/4, to return to school, you can be required to turn over personal information to the school in question, including tax returns, income information, etc.

Why? Because unless the student is born before January 1, 1986, they can still be considered dependent even if they aren’t on your taxes, haven’t lived in your home, have their own income, etc.

How bout them apples?

If they don’t meet a seriously stupid stringent set of standards – they in fact ARE dependent. If you don’t want to start having to dish out all sorts of information, including your social security number, you can be accused of “screwing” your child. Imagine, getting a call from a child of yours who starts asking all sorts of personal information as they fill out their documentation online.

Why are you asking about this? Because in order for me to go to school, I have to have this.

What?

Turns out, the child isn’t lying when they tell you this.

The federal definition of an independent student is one who can answer yes to any of the following questions, for the 2009-2010 filing year:

1. Were you born before January 1, 1986?
2. As of the date you will be submitting the FAFSA, are you married? (Answer yes if you are separated, but not divorced.)
3. Will you be working on a degree beyond a bachelor’s degree, such as a master’s or doctorate, in school year 2009-2010?
4. Are you currently serving on active duty in the Armed Forces for other than training purposes?
5. Are you a veteran of the U.S. Armed Forces?
6. Do you have children who receive more than half of their support from you, or do you have dependents (other than your children or spouse) who live with you and receive more than half of their support from you, now and through June 30, 2010?
7. At any time since you turned age 13, were both your parents deceased, were you in foster care or were you a dependent or ward of the court?
8. Are you, or were you an emancipated minor as determined by a court in your state of legal residence at the time you received the determination?
9. Are you, or were you in legal guardianship as determined by a court in your state of legal residence at the time you received the determination?
10. At any time on or after July 1, 2008, did your high school or school district homeless liaison determine that you were an unaccompanied youth who was homeless?
11. At any time on or after July 1, 2008, did the director of an emergency shelter or transitional housing program funded by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development determine that you were an unaccompanied youth who was homeless?
12. At any time on or after July 1, 2008, did the director of a runaway or homeless youth basic center or transitional living program determine that you were an unaccompanied youth who was homeless or were self-supporting and at risk of being homeless?

Got that?

Even if they are earning an income, living on their own, have a car and an apartment as well as a credit history or whatnot – YOUR kids can suddenly have some stranger calling you and telling you that you have to give up your information or the child can’t go to school. This is up to the age of 24 at this point and with the new law that Oblahma just signed, it’s going to get worse.

Imagine if you don’t like government intrusion, hate the violations of privacy that doesn’t seem to be guaranteed unless it is a lefty trying to defend a special interest, you’re laying on the couch, sick as a dog and have some slick scumbag telling you that you “HAVE” to tell financial aid that you’re unwilling to give up your information.

Keep in mind, this is a college pulling a muscle-down on a person. He might be polite, but the tone is clear. You have to give up adjusted gross income, tax info, social security, investment info, etc for a person who left home at the age of 17. And 18. And 19. Hasn’t been claimed in years.

Why?

Independent Students

A common misconception is that by virtue of not being claimed on your parent’s income tax for two years, you can become an “independent” student.

In unusual circumstances, a student may be able to make a compelling case for their inability to provide the necessary information on the FAFSA. Such examples are:

  • The parents reside in a location where mail delivery does not exist.
  • The parent is mentally handicapped.
  • The student suffered documentable parental abuse and contact with the parent would put the student in danger.
  • The student was abandoned by parents
  • Both parents are incarcerated or institutionalized.
  • Both parents lack the physical or mental capacity to raise the child
  • The parents whereabouts are unknown or the parents cannot be located
  • The parents are hospitalized for an extended period
  • The student was living in an unsuitable household (e.g., child removed from the household and placed in foster care)
  • A married student’s spouse dies or student gets divorced.

Reasons that are NOT considered for changing status are:

  • The student has been supporting his/herself for a time.
  • The student has been supported by other relatives or friends for a time.
  • The student does not live with his/her parents.
  • The student is angry with his/her parents and wishes not to speak to them.
  • The parents are able but unwilling to provide their information.
  • The parents are living in another country.
  • The parents refuse to contribute to the student’s education.
  • The parents do not claim the student as a dependent for income tax purposes.

What if the person hasn’t ever stuck to anything, paid back anything or what ever? Does that matter in the slightest? Nope.

Does the adult in question want to be “independent”? Yes. Don’t get me wrong – it’s great, even if you’re ambushed, to find out that a person who has had issues wants to make themselves better.  Would a parent, were they not taken by surprise, stealth questioned and then strong armed be willing if they were able to go meet the financial aid folks and talk with them, knowing that this wasn’t a scam because they were seeing proof of what was going on possibly be willing to surrender PERSONAL information. Possibly.

In the meantime, this plays out with the person trying to come the shyster, be all soothing and still telling you that this information is required by the same government that already has this information? On a conference call with the adult who is trying to tell the man themselves that they DON’T want to be considered dependent?

In defense, I do understand that the person on the phone is doing what he is required to do, but some unfortunate slips of words like “required” and “have to” make for a VERY unpleasant conversation with a Constitutionalist. Trying to explain how a mother of three, living on her own is dependent is a job I would want only slightly more than explaining medicare to 85 year olds who are going into the doughnut hole. (That sounds familiar – I wonder who has THAT job)

Keep this in mind folks when you start hearing things like the health care and new financial aid laws have been passed with these kinds of standards in there. That’s right. You thought the Progressive Socialists were about liberty and freedom only to find out that they aren’t – they want to know and monitor EVERY little scrap of info about you. And they’ll use your kid’s schooling opportunities to blackmail you into surrendering information to the adult in question, even if the child (adult) in question shouldn’t have that information revealed to them due to exigent circumstances of behavior or attitudes from the past. But, in the forms they fill out for FAFSA, they are told it is required and they have to get the info from you to put on those forms. Have to. Must. Get Mommy and Daddy’s info and supply it to us.

And guess what. The new laws? Makes your kids your dependent until the ripe young age of 26.

Lovely isn’t it.

Originally published on: DRScoundrels