A few months ago, Palin officially endorsed John McCommie for a FIFTH Senatorial term and excused herself with lies. She also falsely called McCommie a “hero” and a “statesman”.
Recently, McCain’s spokesman announced that Palin will organize a rally and a fundraiser for McTraitor.
“She will speak about McCain’s values and what she learned from him during their 2008 presidential campaign and through his battles against his own party line, Rogers said.”
The URL: http://www.conservatives4palin.com/2010/03/preview-of-palin-campaign-rally-for.html
Oh yes, McCain DID battle against his own party. Most recently, McTraitor battled his party over the Obama defense cuts, which most Republicans opposed, but McCain endorsed. These defense cuts began the process of gutting the US military, a process which continues to this day.
Previously, McCain fought against his own party to implement an amnesty policy, which would’ve rewarded 20 mn illegal aliens with green cards and “a path to citizenship” while allowing ACORN to register these 20 mn illegal aliens.
Not surprisingly, McCain plans to vote for the newly-introduced Schumer-Graham amnesty bill. He never renounced amnesty.
If Palin was a real conservative, she would’ve never endorsed him. She would’ve remained neutral on the issue of the McCain-Hayworth duel. Instead, she endorsed him.
And guess what? Palin admitted during the 2008 campaign that she supports amnesty (which she euphemistically calls “a path to citizenship”). Proof:
“Univision: To clarify, so you support a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants?
SP: I do because I understand why people would want to be in America.”
The URL: http://www.univision.com/content/content.jhtml?chid=3&schid=10414&secid=25534&cid=1716304&pagenum=2
Of course, Univision does not call these immigrants whom they really are – illegal immigrants. But it has revealed that Palin is a proponent of amnesty.
Let’s face the facts: Palin is a RINO, a fake conservative, a traitor.
And so I say to Sarah Palin: keep your hands off the GOP, off Arizona, and off the White House. You have betrayed us conservatives, the GOP, and the United States. Together with your idol, John McTraitor, you’ve sold America out to illegal aliens who invaded the country. You have no right to call yourself a Republican, a conservative, a leader of the GOP or a leader of conservatives. If you dare to run for the 2012 GOP presidential nomination, I can assure you that you will not win it.
Moe Lane
PG DeFreese
Victoria Coates
Daniel Horowitz
Dan Spencer
Palin does not support amnesty.
Mary Beth (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 6:22AM EST (link)And she’s not perfect…but she’s certainly not a fake conservative.
I take the stuff she said during the campaign with a grain of salt as it would have been bad form for her to contradict the top of the ticket. She has since made it clear that she’s not for amnesty for illegals.
As for McCain, if she had done anything other than support John McCain she would have been called an ingrate.
But thanks for playing.
“A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.” ~ Ronald Reagan
Not well argued, Zbig
Vassar Bushmills (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 7:26AM EST (link)A judge (judicial or debating) would have tossed you and your complaint out on your ears. Cheney is supporting Bennett, and endorsed Kay Bailey. It didn’t invalida
Not well argued, Zbig
Vassar Bushmills (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 7:27AM EST (link)A judge (judicial or debating) would have tossed you and your complaint out on your ears. Cheney is supporting Bennett, and endorsed Kay Bailey. It didn’t invalidate a single credential.
Cheney
zbigniewmazurak (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 8:25AM EST (link)Cheney is also RINO. He never had any conservative credentials. Cheney is the guy who, as the SECDEF of Bush the Elder, enacted severe defense cuts, which were continued by Clinton’s SECDEFs. These defense cuts rendered the military impotent.
So, Zbig - who do you consider a conservative?
acat (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 9:50AM EST (link)Since, at the rate you’re throwing people out of the tent, it’s going to be a party of one …
Mew
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Caveat Suffragator
That is an excellent question
Bill S (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 2:19PM EST (link)And that’s one reason I’ve been a bit on the annoying side on this topic of late. There really needs to be some room for wiggle. Even the “loyalty pledge” thingy that came out a few months ago gave the signer some leeway to disagree on (IIRC) 2-3 points.
We don’t all agree on everything. Frankly, I think there may be some room for negotiation on the immigration front. There are even some fiscal things that might look “progressive” that some of us may support…Francis gave an example of that in his diary yesterday.
Conservatives are not homogenous like leftists. There are multiple legs on the stool, and sometimes they’re different lengths.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
Good retort, and reply, and rejoinder, Bill S
Vassar Bushmills (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 5:12PM EST (link)I like wiggle room…only so long as we agree to a common enemy.
Don’t you find it interesting how an otherwise inane thread such as this can attract such a fine mind as your own?
A little madness, now and then, is treasured by, the wisest men.
acat (Diary) Thursday, March 25th at 12:15AM EST (link)One of the things I appreciate about your writing, Vassar, is that you define what it is that you believe. Whether I, as your reader, agree or not is up to me, but at least I know where you stand, and have an idea or two about why.
I don’t have much use for labels. Over time, the meaning can change. Take, for instance, the “net neutrality bill”.
To a techie such as myself, “net neutrality” means that everybody’s packets are equal, that is, Comcast can’t prioritize my packets over yours even if I pay more. Comcast can sell me a bigger “pipe” that will carry *more* packets (for more money, of course) but they’ll all be moved through Comcasts’ plumbing at the same rate. Since the original threat was that Comcast would prioritize packets from one web site over another, I am all for this definition of “neutrality”.
Somewhere along the way, “net neutrality” has, apparently, changed into some sort of “internet fairness doctrine” where search engines need to pull up documents on both sides of any remotely undecided issue. This is lunacy and, I suspect, a big dollop of misinformation. In any event, I’m opposed to this definition.
The original meanings of “right” and “left” have also changed over time, from their origins in France, IIRC. I find “left” and “right”, as well as “conservative” and “liberal” to be somewhat amorphous. I like Pournelle’s Axes more, although it’s tough to find many people who use them. http://www.baen.com/chapters/axes.htm
Mew
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Let's see...our Republic is at risk due to ObamaCare, and you
eburke (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 8:45AM EST (link)decide to waste time and energy writing yet another Palin-bashing diary.
Nice use of your time.
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
Unified Patriots
zbig, you're a raving idiot.
mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 8:47AM EST (link)One, go learn how to construct an argument. I would deconstruct this piece of crap but there’s no substance to deconstruct.
Two, we’ve got real issues to deal with right now and Sarah Palin ain’t one of ‘em.
Three, go buy a dictionary and learn the meaning of the word “traitor”. No matter how anybody feels about Palin’s credibility or qualifications she is no traitor.
Sarah happens to be doing a very credible job right now casting light and heat on the administration and raising money for candidates in the upcoming election. Whether she’s ever going to do anything else is questionable but NOW is not the time for that discussion.
Go fly a kite. It’ll be more productive.
zbig - ya know you're at Epic.Fail when mbecker
eburke (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 8:53AM EST (link)who would never exactly be defined as a Palinista, deconstructs and decimates your attack on SP.
Ya may want to focus on more productive endeavors.
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
Unified Patriots
Ha! You cannot refute my arguments!
zbigniewmazurak (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 10:30AM EST (link)Ha! You cannot refute my arguments! So instead of trying to refute them,, you slander me with invectives like “idiot”.
Palin’s credibility and qualifications are null. Like yours.
Why should he bother ...? [nt]
Martin Knight (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 10:38AM EST (link)Why should he bother?
zbigniewmazurak (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 10:46AM EST (link)Because what I wrote is the truth. Sarah Palin endorsed the amnesty policy, which would cripple the Republic and establish a permament Democratic majority. That policy is utterly unacceptable. Anyone who sells America out to 20 mn illegal aliens (read: invaders) is a traitor.
Be ashamed, Palin!
Dude, he shouldn't bother because 2012 is over 2 years away
eburke (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 10:56AM EST (link)and the Marxist takeover is being fought TODAY which means most intelligent conservatives have more pressing things to do with their time.
And with that…*I* have more important things to do with my time.
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
Unified Patriots
ATTN zbigniewmazurak
Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 11:04AM EST (link)Dial it back.
Take a breath and settle down. Argue respectfully.
P.S. Treason has a specific meaning. You clearly do not understand it. In that, your distortion of the English language is just as bad as that of the left, because you are changing the meaning as it suits you to promote your short-term policy objectives.
Shame on you.
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“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder
Insults
zbigniewmazurak (Diary) Thursday, March 25th at 2:09AM EST (link)“Take a breath and settle down. Argue respectfully.”
Tell that to the others. I didn’t use insults against RS’s other bloggers. On the other hand, the other commenters of this thread used insults against me.
“P.S. Treason has a specific meaning. You clearly do not understand it.”
I understand it better than you ever will, kid. By the strict definition of the word “traitor”, Sarah Palin is a traitor, because she (and John McTraitor) sold the US out to 20 million invaders who dislike the US but believe they are entitled to Green Cards.
As for the others who claimed that there are more important issues than this one – there is no issue more important than amnesty. If amnesty is not prevented, the Republic will collapse and the Democratic majority will become a permanent majority. So EVERY Republican who endorsed amnesty (AKA “a pathway to citizenship”) must be labeled as a traitor.
This isn't quite the way most folks define "dialed back" nt
nessa (Diary) Thursday, March 25th at 2:17AM EST (link)“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
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THIS is funny (nt)
Jack_Savage (Diary) Thursday, March 25th at 9:46AM EST (link)G'bye
Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, March 25th at 9:43AM EST (link)I warned you.
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zbig you really need to be paying attention to Mr. Stevens.
mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 12:57PM EST (link)1. He is a moderator.
2. You’re walking into an artillery battle and you’re carrying a broken, rotten stick.
3. We don’t “argue”. And we certainly don’t engage in discussions with people who don’t have a fundamental understanding of the English language, law, the Constitution, or priorities.
Shoo.
Hey becker...ya know the guy's gone totally fruit loops on us
eburke (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 5:33PM EST (link)if he can write a diary attacking Sarah Palin that’s so devoid of logic and timeliness that *you* actually felt the need to smack him around for it.
:snicker…snicker:
Oh, and btw…extra brownie points for this line:
“You’re walking into an artillery battle and you’re carrying a broken, rotten stick”
So…like…do you and janis stay up nights together coming up with these snarky little rejoinders?
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
Unified Patriots
Heh.
mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 10:23PM EST (link)zbig is about the biggest jerk I’ve seen post here. There are a number of valid points that can be made both for and against Gov Palin. He managed to get through his little screed and missed them all. I don’t much care if he likes the Gov or not but I’m frankly offended that anybody would put up an “argument” this thin at RS. If I had a blam stick, he’d been gone and I’d have sent a crew out for a picture of the bloody remains just to make the point.
Insults
zbigniewmazurak (Diary) Thursday, March 25th at 2:05AM EST (link)Once again, my adversaries have UTTERLY FAILED to debunk my arguments. Instead, they offered
And Mbecker – you can talk like that to your fellow kindergartners, not to me. You think you could beat me? Ha! You wouldn’t even have damaged me.
And let’s face the facts – Sarah Palin is a despicable traitor. And I know the definition of the world “traitor”. It is “a person who surrenders his country to the enemy”. Palin surrendered the US to 20 million invaders. She’s a traitor.
You can insult me, ban me, write comments, but you cannot change the facts: Sarah Palin is a traitor.
Sarah Palin
zbigniewmazurak (Diary) Thursday, March 25th at 2:12AM EST (link)If Sarah Palin sold out her country to illegal aliens, then the logical conclusion is that she’s a traitor.
This post is untimely? Hardly? Right now, the Congress is beginning to debate an amnesty policy, co-sponsored by Sen. Charles Schumer and Sen. Lindsay Lohan (er, Graham).
Now Breathe Deeply
pirate55 (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 10:53AM EST (link)And consider advocating for politicians to change their views, rather than taking a position of “crash and burn” when you fail to agree with them on a point. Calling someone a traitor is a very serious allegation which also suggests slander. The rebuilding of conservatism in the Republican Party is a journey type process and not accomplished with the waving of a magic wand which only takes your views into consideration. Your rhetoric is destructive and not constructive and worthy of condemnation.
So Zbigniew, if you want to talk, let’s talk and quit your shouting.
Is zbigniewmazurak for real?
retiretherinos (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 11:36AM EST (link)These are insane rants. Palin and Cheney are not conservatives in zbigniewmazurak’s mind. Is this a joke? Palin is certainly not for amnesty for illegals.I think at this point only Lindsey Grahamnesty and Dick Armey support amnesty for illegals especially on the Democrats and Obama’s terms. My advice for zbigniewmazurak is not to let your emotions get the best of you.
Palin is not a candidate, YET.
Cargosquid (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 1:01PM EST (link)If ever. She seems happy where she is at, has a good gig, could make millions. I can understand why she would look at any offered candidacy and say “no, thanks.”
And Cheney? Please. He’s done.
Zbig, focus! FOCUS! We have bigger problems with, you know, ACTUAL politicians.
Palin is absolutely a Conservative!
retiretherinos (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 1:12PM EST (link)I would be happy if the rest of he republican party was conservative like Palin. I believe she is only conservative of the big five likely candidates. I would like to see her run in 2012. That would mean that we have at least one conservative running 2012. In 2008, Conservatives had no real choices for president with McCain, Rudy, Romney, and Hucka-phony. I had supported Hucka-phony in 2008 initially. I think she will run in 2012 and it wishful thinking on the left and the elist republicans part that she won’t run. I know she will run and I hope she wins.
2010 comes before 2012 ....
hrh40 Wednesday, March 24th at 2:30PM EST (link)And Palin is fighting tooth and nail for 2010.
Read her Facebook.
Hear her on Fox News 2 or 3 times a week.
And she’s getting daily briefings from experts on foreign and domestic issues. Which certainly helps in articulating and fighting the issues in 2010 … and in 2012.
So she’s doing nothing to take herself out of the running for 2012. But she’s focused on 2010.
A good strategy for Red Staters, too, I might add…
http://hrh40.wordpress.com
Palin Had No Choice
qsclues (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 4:45PM EST (link)I wrote in a previous diary entry how Palin really had no choice to to endorse McCain, given that he is largely responsible for the high-profile position she is in today. Not saying she had nothing to do with it, but she isn’t there without his help. If she didn’t endorse him, the media would have a field day calling her an ungrateful backstabber.
Do they agree on everything? Certainly not. But politically, Palin has no choice but to endorse McCain. It shouldn’t take much thought to realize that.
Main Entry: rac·ism
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Function: noun
Date: 1933
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
3 : term used by a liberal to concede an argument
This is like a post from one of those guys who runs a booth at CPAC about the Gold Standard.
Section9 Wednesday, March 24th at 5:14PM EST (link)Over in the corner, out of sight. Away from the Defense Contractors and the Pajamas Media people, where he can do noone harm.
“History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it”-Winston Churchill
You lost me at McCommie
kyle8 (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 5:19PM EST (link)He might be a Rino, He might even be a jackass, but he is actually more principled in opposition to runaway government spending than the average Republican has been, And he was a war hero, so don’t put that in quotations.
You don’t have to support he or Palin, but it is obvious from your ramblings that you don’t really have the slightest clue of what you are talking about.
Please go bother some other site.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
Wow... nt
aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 5:20PM EST (link)The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Apology
zbigniewmazurak (Diary) Thursday, March 25th at 4:18AM EST (link)After a consideration, I have decided to apologize about what I wrote about Sarah Palin for the simple reason that, whereas her amnesty policy is wrong, I was wrong to attack her with the words “traitor” and “fake conservative”, which were grossly exaggerated.
I’m sorry.
You certainly are sorry zbig.
mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, March 25th at 9:16AM EST (link)You are a sorry excuse for a commentator.
We have 2010 elections to deal with. We have the current Congress to deal with. What we don’t have to deal with is drivel – and poorly written, poorly constructed and with a total absence of thought – like you slapped down in our foyer.
Your point about “traitor” was NOT a “gross exaggeration”, it was a complete lie. “Fake conservative” is not worth discussion because it fundamentally has no meaning and could be applied to about anyone. Including you.
In the future, if you plan on attempting this crap again, you might consider writing the piece in MS Word, printing it out, taking it to your reading room and leaving it on the counter in case you run out of Charmin. Next time you pull this kind of a distraction you’ll think this was warm appreciation of your “writing talents”. You really should consider posting at Little Green Footballs.
My posts
zbigniewmazurak (Diary) Thursday, March 25th at 9:25AM EST (link)I didn’t ask you for your opinion, sonny, nor do I care about it. Nor are you going to dictate where I should post stuff.
Drivel? So the claim that Palin backs amnesty is drivel, even though I quoted Palin herself?
So my statement that amnesty is utterly unacceptable is drivel?
Oh, and since you’re talking about the current Congress, guess what is the next issue on its agenda?
ANSWER: Amnesty.
http://teapartypatriots.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=2978134:BlogPost:231104&commentId=2978134:Comment:270997&xg_source=activity
This sounds like half an apology.
Justin_Case (Diary) Thursday, March 25th at 7:22AM EST (link)It has been stated, above, Palin’s reasons for her position on amnesty in 2008, yet you can’t resist the little dig of yours: whereas her amnesty policy is wrong.
Her amnesty policy IS wrong.
zbigniewmazurak (Diary) Thursday, March 25th at 9:00AM EST (link)And it will always be wrong, regardless of everything else. Her reasons for her amnesty policy are unknown; the claims of some of her defenders that she was forced to adopt the amnesty policy because of her running mate are utterly false because she professed (and continues to profess) opinions different from McCain’s beliefs on several other issues. For example:
1) Palin defended the F-22 and C-17 programs; McCain opposed them..
2) Palin opposed (and still opposes) school vouchers; McCain favored them.
3) Palin wants to drill in the ANWR; McCain is opposed.
I said, ‘whereas her amnesty policy is wrong’, because that’s the truth. Amnesty IS wrong, even if its masked under the guise of “a path to citizenship”. That doesn’t mean that I should call Palin a traitor. But it DOES mean that Palin’s amnesty policy is wrong. It’s time to recognize what is right and what is wrong. Palin’s amnesty policy is wrong. And if she plans to run for the White House, she will eventually be forced by GOP voters to recognize this fact.
Put up or shut up.
mikerazar (Diary) Thursday, March 25th at 9:27AM EST (link)You cited three positions for each of them, yet gave no link or reference to back them up.
For the record, I oppose amnesty (with a few exceptions like military service), I favor school vouchers with some accountability rules.
I cannot be objective on the F-22. Seeing it or even thinking about it makes my knees weaker than a preteen girl’s at a Jonas Brothers concert. But money is not unlimited and McCain understands the needs of the military a hell of a lot better than I do. I’d give up my social security for a fleet of F-22s but I’m not sure that’s an issue to expect unanimity on.
We have a nation to save, people.
The F-22 program
zbigniewmazurak (Diary) Thursday, March 25th at 9:39AM EST (link)The links:
1) Vouchers: http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/34928
2) The F-22 and C-17 programs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Sarah_Palin; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_John_McCain
3) The ANWR: same as the links for #2.
As for the F-22 program: McCain was wrong to oppose the F-22 program, as proven by the facts, not by what McCain might or might not understand. The F-35 program is failing and lagging, while the Russians are developing 5th generation fighterplanes (Sukhoi PAKFA aircraft) and Generation #4++ aircraft (e.g. Su-35BMs). But my point was not to defend the F-22 program (which shouldn’t have been closed, BTW), but to demonstrate that on at least 3 issues, including 2 crucial issues, Palin and McCain professed (and continue to profess) different opinions.
A fourth issue is that McCain opposes overturning Roe v. Wade (he said, “I would not support the overturning of Roe v. Wade), while Palin wants Roe v. Wade overturned and the right to decide abortion laws to be reserved for the states.