Rasmussen is out with a new poll showing JD Hayworth gaining on John McCain. McCain’s 22 point lead in January has now shrunk to just five points, 47%-42%, of likely Republican primary voters. Perhaps more important, this is the second Rasmussen poll in the past month showing McCain below the 50% threshold – dangerous territory for an incumbent.
If you ask me, McCain is self-destructing and has reached the end of the road. It is not his year. Look no further than his bizarre claim to Newsweek Magazine that he “never considered [himself] a maverick.” As they say in the military – whiskey, tango, foxtrot.
Even though the tea party organizations have decided to stay neutral, it is clear that the rank-and-file tea partiers will turn out for Hayworth. If Hayworth can keep working the grassroots and raise a little money, he can will win this race.
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Not bad for a Blowhard huh?...
AceInTX (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 4:46PM EST (link)and if he doesn’t accomplish anything else…he’s made McCain the most conservative Senator in the United States Senate at least for the time being!
Not bad indeed…
Thank you JD
good point Ace
Doc Holliday (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 10:50PM EST (link)nice to see the “moderates” moving right to protect their jobs. In this case fear is a good thing.
Molon Labe!
Amen nt
AceInTX (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 10:57PM EST (link)And every dollar McCain has to spend in AZ in the primary
ColdWarrior (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 5:24PM EST (link)in an attempt to retain his seat against J.D. Hayworth’s challenge is a dollar he can’t send elsewhere to shore the re-election campaigns of other RINOs around the country.
J.D. has been challenging “the now, I guess, non-Maverick” McCain to townhall style debates ( see http://www.jdforsenate.com/news/2010/04/13/jd-hayworth-calls-john-mccain-stop-stalling-debates ) . At least two Tea Party organizations have offered to host debates. ( http://www.jdforsenate.com/news/2010/04/14/mohave-pinal-republicans-ready-host-first-two-debates-between-jd-hayworth-and-john-m ) The same kind of debates McCain, to his credit, challenged Opansy to. To which Opansy promised he would engage in before he had sealed the nomination, which promise Opansy then broke after winning the nomination. About which the “now, I guess, non-Maverick” McCain said NOTHING. Imagine if McCain and Opansy had the ten town hall-style, real debates Opansy had agreed to — McCain actually might have been able to tie Oteleprompter man child into knots.
Well, now J.D. will may have the opportunity to tie McCain into knots.
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The Era of Juan McRino is over
secondpatriot76 Friday, April 16th at 8:48PM EST (link)The era of Juan McRino is over. Remember McCain-Feingold? Remember McCain-Kennedy? Remember the Gang of 14? www.jdforsenate.com
Let’s get a conservative in the Senate who will make the Prayer Rugger in Chief uncomfortable.
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Supporters of Palin for JD Hayworth
secondpatriot76 Friday, April 16th at 8:51PM EST (link)The Supporters of Palin for JD Hayworth have a great Facebook page. Check it out. Sarah is not perfect but I will support her until the end.
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It's not Demon Sheep funny but...
SteveLA (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 8:55PM EST (link)Hey maybe Johnny Mac is running scared. He’s had this web video out for a while and it may not be as good as Carlie’s Demon Sheep Video, it is pretty funny.
Look for Johnny Mac to punch even harder if JD gets closer, something Johnny Mac seemed to be reluctant to do during the Presidential race but so it goes now.
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Only problem is that the hard McCain punches....
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 9:02PM EST (link)The more he bleeds support.
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From who
SteveLA (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 9:12PM EST (link)People who really don’t have a plan that can actually be passed into law on how to deal with illegal aliens like Tom Tancredo?
Or maybe the Single Issue Value voters who don’t care for McCain’s biting them more than once in the past. Never mind that during the 2008 election “According to NARAL, McCain has voted pro-life 123 times out of 128 votes, for a 96 percent pro-life voting record”.
Or maybe Birthers like JD.
I’ll differ to mbecker on what the ground truth in AZ is and if these groups represent a large voting block to that Johnny Mac needs to worry about. The Tea Party folks probably like McCain a whole lot better than JD who never met an earmark that Jack Abernoff put up that he didn’t like.
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It's not rocket science Steve...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 9:26PM EST (link)The more McCain has attacked Hayworth, the more support he has lost from republican primary voters in AZ. McCain has been bleeding support for a while now. Just read the Rasmussen poll if you don’t believe me.
Or ask Cold Warrior who is a precinct committeeman in AZ, which mbecker is not FYI.
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That's why there's a primary
SteveLA (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 9:31PM EST (link)Guess we’ll find out once there is a Republican primary if JD has support or not, and if you’re right or not.
Can’t see the Tea Party types coming out in large numbers to vote for JD who voted for the Prescription Drug bill and other “spending like a drunken sailor” opportunity when he was in Congress, and Congressman Jeff Flake isn’t exactly a fan of JD.
There’s a previous RS blog entry on the topic.
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wait...did McCain vote against the Prescripotion Drug Benifit?
AceInTX (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 11:13PM EST (link)I must have missed that.
Yes you did actually
SteveLA (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 11:18PM EST (link)Voted NO on $40 billion per year for limited Medicare prescription drug benefit. June 2003
Voted NO on including prescription drugs under Medicare. (Jun 2000)
The site if you want to check out key votes on issues is “On the Issues” if you want to look up other votes.
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I guess I did...thanks for correcting me on that one
AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, April 17th at 12:03AM EST (link)blind hogs and nuts…and all that
LOL
Every With every attack against JD McLame only draws attention to his limp wqristed campaign in 08
AceInTX (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 11:10PM EST (link)the more viscous he gets with JD he reminds us how lame and pansy assed he was against the most inexperienced left wing hack that’s ever run for President.
I wonder if we can expect him to tell a crowd booing JD that JD will be a fine president like he did with President Obama during the height of the campaign!
If he does then maybe I’ll believe the man of honor crap we were all forced and brow beaten into mouthing during the 08 campaign.
he was a crap candidate Ace
Doc Holliday (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 11:24PM EST (link)but he did fairly well considering Obamamania stirred up by the drive by’s. And we need to be honest about it, the Repubs have been running scared since 2005.
The grassroots are in charge now and we will take down the establishment Repubs if they don’t want to play ball.
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my point still stands...McCain never attacked Obama like he has JD
AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, April 17th at 12:06AM EST (link)had he shown as much urgency then as he does now…we might be calling him Mr. President by now…
Oh and we’d have Amnesty and Cap & Trade instead of Obama Care to repeal at some future date
bully for your point
Doc Holliday (Diary) Saturday, April 17th at 5:56PM EST (link)lol, anyway, you never agree with me, so at least I know all is right in the world.
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Not so...I believe Obama is poison for this country...so we agree on a lot
AceInTX (Diary) Sunday, April 18th at 2:46PM EST (link)we just disagree as to whether the best way of opposing him and his ilk is by electing Republicans who will help him or go down fighting his every move.
by and large we have the same goals and believe the sane things on most issues.
we agreed earlier in this thread I would also point out
SteveLA, I also respect mbecker's insights
ColdWarrior (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 9:31PM EST (link)but I don’t know how many tea parties and protests he’s been to here in Maricopa County in the last year. I’ve been to a lot of them and have spoken to (and I’m not exaggerating) thousands of the people who have been at these events. I’ve also spoken at Tea Party and 9.12 evening meetings. These people, Republicans, independents and even a few Democrats (many who are re-registering as Republicans) are overwhelmingly CONSERVATIVE — and overwhelming think McCain is NOT a conservative. Indeed, often a person’s reluctance to come into the Party is because “the Republican Party” supports “conservatives” like McCain. McCain is a huge hindrance in getting conservatives to come into the Party to change it.
In my experience, the “Tea Party folks” DO NOT “like McCain a whole lot better than JD” — indeed, the reverse is true. They hate the fact that McCain brags about “reaching across the aisle” on “Shamnesty” and they remember how he was great pals with Teddy Kennedy.
If McCain is such a great conservative, and J.D. such a bozo, then McCain will demonstrate both in the upcoming debates — assuming he lives up to his promise to debate J.D. If McCain does not debate J.D., McCain may be toast., as the tea partiers I’ve met will see his failure to debate in much the same way as how our Democrat representatives here hid from their constituents and failed to have town hall meetings after their votes for Obamacare. McCain will be lumped in with them — an out of touch incumbent, afraid of his constituents, who’s been in DC WAY TOO LONG.
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Polling and Primaries
SteveLA (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 9:34PM EST (link)CW
Well I’ll leave the on the ground view of AZ to you guys that live there. Polling leading up to the Primary will be interesting to watch, as will what happens with the AZ Republic endorsement.
The AZ republic weren’t big fans of JD when he lost his Congressional seat, so let’s see if they’ve changed their views.
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The AZ Republic is a democratic rag Steve...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 9:37PM EST (link)Why the heck should there opinion even matter in a Republican primary?
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Really ?
SteveLA (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 9:42PM EST (link)The Arizona Republic editorial board endorsed President George W. Bush in both the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections. In local elections, it has recently endorsed Democratic candidates such as former Arizona Governor and now Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano and current Arizona Congressman Harry Mitchell. On October 25, 2008, the paper endorsed Arizona Senator John McCain[3] for president.
A Democratic Rag would have endorsed Obama in 2008 along with their fellow travelers in the MSM.
As they say Oh Really? Care to readjust your goal posts ?
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My goal posts are fine Steve...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 10:03PM EST (link)See CW’s comment below. You should stick to not knowing anything about CA instead of venturing out and showing you don’t know anything about AZ.
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The AZ Republic is bipolar... nt.
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ColdWarrior (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 9:59PM EST (link)Every Republican I know thinks The Repugnant is a joke because its editorial board is comprised of a bunch of leftists. Its eventual endorsement of McCain will mean nothing to the conservatives who will be voting in the primary. Turnout here in our 2008 primary was a whopping 19.6 per cent of eligible voters — the motivated voters, this time, will be the CONSERVATIVE voters, and those conservative voters will be pulling the lever for “anybody but McCain.” Get out the vote will be crucial — most people filling up the empty PC slots are conservatives, not moderates.
Hayworth has some momentum now. He has a shot.
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I notice you're a lot less in everyone's faces as you were when JD announced SteveLA
AceInTX (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 11:21PM EST (link)I thought he was supposed to have turned everyone off with his loud mouth and McCain would be walking away with it by now?!
That’s the way you and mbecker were about it a month ago…I consider mbecker a friend and have been with him in almost every discussion I can think of except on this issue…but you guys were pretty adamant about how this would play out a month ago…doesn’t seem to be such a walk for the maverick now is it?
Like any good RINO, McCain is more comfortable slamming a Conservative
AceInTX (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 11:03PM EST (link)than he is going after Democrats.
In just the last Month I’d lay odds McCain has spent more money attacking JD than he did during the entire 2008 campaign against the socialist in waiting
Then there's the 2010 Congressional Pig Book
SteveLA (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 9:26PM EST (link)Johnny Mac appearing at the unveiling of the 2010 Congressional Pig Book.
Johnny Mac will probably will get the attention of the Tea Party folks in Arizona, because the Tea Party folks actually really care about spending and fiscal matters. JD…not so much based on his record as a member of Congress.
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Steve LA don't know AZ
youngmonte (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 10:27PM EST (link)I really don’t know where to begin. First, there is no way the Arizona Republic will ever endorse JD Hayworth, and that’s a good thing for JD because, while the paper was once conservative, it is now a liberal rag as ColdWarrior said. The fact that it supported its home state senator over Obama means nothing. Anyone who entertains the notion that the paper will endorse Hayworth knows nothing about AZ politics. The Repugnant will write a valentine to McCain, you can bet on it. And it won’t help him a bit.
Second, JD Hayworth has a better rating from Citizens Against Gov’t Waste than McCain (89% to 88%). Sure, it’s only a point, but the way some of you talk you’d think Hayworth was a big spender and he never was. Hayworth is every bit the fiscal conservagtive that McCain is. McCain, meanwhile, voted for the $850 billion bailout bill that contained $150 billion in earmarks (although I would argue the entire bill was one big earmark). In FY09, OMB estimates there were $16 billion in earmarks. So in one vote, McCain supported about ten years worth of earmarks.
Third, even though the tea party organizatioins in AZ have said they will be neutral, there is no doubt that the tea pary rank-and-file will be coming out for Hayworth. They are his base. He would not be within 5 points if he were losing tea partiers.
McCain is his own worst enemy and is slowly but surely losing this seat. A month ago I thought Hayworth could win. Now I think he will win.
Terms like "conservative" and "liberal" don't apply to McCain
aesthete (Diary) Saturday, April 17th at 3:16PM EST (link)McCain is an egocentric jerk, end of story. Hayworth is an egocentric jerk who mostly votes with the party (the only exception I can think of being the amnesty bill supported by frmr. Pres Bush). He isn’t, however, some conservative warrior who will represent us in the Senate: he voted in favor of No Child Left Behind, Medicare Part D, several other entitlements advanced by so-called compassionate conservatives, and even an expansion to McCain-Feingold. McCain voted against some of those, but IMO, it was more to stick it to Pres Bush than because of any actual principles.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
How about some Pork?
SteveLA (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 10:27PM EST (link)As JD draws closer to Johnny Mac in the polls, you have to ask how much JD likes Pork. Sean Hannity really doesn’t like Pork, so he probably won’t be out there supporting good old JD’s return to the trough, but I could be wrong.
Governor Palin seems to not like Pork ether, she’s backing Johnny Mac too.
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What's really sad is that you can't find something to support in McCain so instead you only attempt to tear down Hayworth. nt
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it is hayworth's job to make the case he is better
Doc Holliday (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 10:45PM EST (link)McCain is smarter and has more experience. Hayworth could not even win his Congressional race, now he want’s to compete at a higher level?
Look, we all know McCain is not our idea of the perfect candidate. He has taken positions that are clearly wrong and against our values. On the other hand, in recent years he has shown he is willing to take on the demonrats and Obama.
I do not have a strong opinion about this race. My concern all along has been that some of us seem to want to “get McCain” simply out of spite. I wonder if McCain is our biggest problem and not Obama, Pelosi, and Reid.
Again, If Hayworth is the better conservative then I am happy if he wins. But there is good reason to doubt Hayworth and there is nothing wrong with actually checking out the facts. What good would it do if we topple McCain with a guy who is not a new breed Goldwater-Reagan conservative? If Hayworth is worthy of our support, he must prove he is superior and not just another name.
Molon Labe!
But he doesn't have to prove it to some hack from LA.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 10:54PM EST (link)Especially one who doesn’t know anything about AZ.
Also, Hayworth is making the case, as can be seen in his rise in the polls.
As well you can look at the ACU ratings of each, or the ratings from Citizens Against Gov’t Waste.
Steve is the one who is acting the way you imply Hayworth supporters are.
BTW, I find it funny that you keep coming to Steve’s aid. He is a big boy, can he not handle his own lumps?
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I didn't know I was doing that Aaron
Doc Holliday (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 10:57PM EST (link)My guess is that you and I are more simpatico politically than Steve and I. I don’t want to get in the middle that is for sure, I have enough trouble with my own dustups.
Molon Labe!
And to the substance of my reply Doc? nt
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 11:00PM EST (link)conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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what about the substance of my reply Aaron?
Doc Holliday (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 11:15PM EST (link)McCain does have advantages over Hayworth in Washington. McCain is more of a statesman, Hayworth seems a bit clownish. McCain has influence over other politicians, Hayworth does not and will not.
Having said the above, I agree Hayworth is making inroads and is making a case. I dont think I can be more clear when I say if Hayworth is the better conservative, I hope he wins. At the same time, I don’t think this race is crucial, my goal is to defeat progressive statists.
BTW, I checked Hayworth’s records at “on the issues”, I love his vote to disband the Department of Education. The point is, I can support Hayworth but he does have some baggage. I doubt he is the best man in Arizona for the job. Of course the best man usually doesn’t have time for politics.
Molon Labe!
Everyone has baggage Doc...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 11:19PM EST (link)McCain’s is well know as well. He just attempts to stuff it in a closet every six years.
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McCain IS a progressive Statist!!
AceInTX (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 11:48PM EST (link)amen to that nt
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There you go again
SteveLA (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 11:02PM EST (link)Aaron
You have this habit of starting to call people names when they disagree with you and nail your very weak arguments…”Hack” really?
I’ve never really understood how you’re been able to fit into the “Be respectful, or be banned” right below the posting box?
One more thing, the claim on JD’s rating by CAGW, can you actually provide a link to where they rate JD? I’d like to go read that rating.
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You bet I can Steve....
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 11:16PM EST (link)Right here.
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Tom Schatz
SteveLA (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 11:24PM EST (link)I posted a comment from CNS where Tom Schatz who is President of CAGW provided commentary on JD’s claims.
There appears to be two differing views presented in the news letter and from the interview. I’ll leave it up to the reader to decide which version has more “truthiness”.
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SteveLA why do you not provide links but insist I do.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 11:27PM EST (link)I mean if you are just leaving it up to the reader to decide, shouldn’t you provide a link so that the reader can read the entire interview for themselves?
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Say what Doc?
AceInTX (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 11:43PM EST (link)If McLame had gone after Obama with half the relish he’s shown going after JD…we might have a different president right now…but no…we had to run a respectful campaign.
Ace, I was referring to his present stances
Doc Holliday (Diary) Saturday, April 17th at 12:08AM EST (link)find someone else to argue with please.
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LOL...just making what I thought was a counter point...nothing personal
AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, April 17th at 12:37AM EST (link)and no offense meant.
heh
Doc Holliday (Diary) Saturday, April 17th at 6:16PM EST (link)I just had to go somewhere and tried the leaving in a huff gambit.
Molon Labe!
There may be reason to doubt JD, but we KNOW who McCain is
JSobieski (Diary) Saturday, April 17th at 2:09AM EST (link)McCain is the one Republican who pull the rug out from under everyone else if it suits him.
McCain always saves his best shots for those in his own party, and more specifically, to those on his right.
I wish McCain’s ad campaign against JD was a genteel as his campaign against Obama.
McCain is a big liability when he goes into maverick mode, and its only a matter of time if the Republicans take control of one or both houses in 2010 for McCain to revert back to the maverick he so enjoys being.
In the primary, I am inclined to support virtually anybody in Arizona. I wish Huckabee would move there just to run against McCain (I am no Huckabee fan).
Or better yet, Romney should have moved and run.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
See Pig Book 2010 introduction
SteveLA (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 10:49PM EST (link)I realize that you probably didn’t pay much attention to the video above, but that’s the sort of thing that Johnny Mac and Jeff Flake have done for years. You might spend some time and watch it and learn what real conservative leadership on spending issues is all about.
Maybe fiscal conservatism is not important to you, who knows, but the Pig Book helps to publicize the Pork spending going on in Washington. JD’s not in the book this year, lucky for us fiscal conservatives, JD was thrown out office in 2006 so he lost his place at the trough.
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Yeah, youngmonte already destroyed that strawman SteveLA
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 10:56PM EST (link)Why don’t you respond to him?
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Truth
SteveLA (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 11:11PM EST (link)Was JD lying or just gilding the Lilly when it comes to his claims about lifetime ratings by CAGW?
You can read for yourself what a spokesperson for CAGW had to say and figure out for yourself.
“When it comes to fiscal spending, did you know, I have a better lifetime rating with Citizens Against Government Waste than does John McCain?” Hayworth said.
That is only true, however, in a very narrow sense, said Tom Schatz, president of Citizens Against Government Waste, a fiscal watchdog group.
“It’s one point — Congressman Hayworth had a lifetime rating of 89, Sen. McCain had a rating of 88,” Schatz told CNSNews.com. “Also, Sen. McCain was in the Senate for 24 years. That’s a long time to have a consistent high. So it’s difficult to say Congressman Hayworth is equal or better.”
McCain has the seventh highest lifetime rating in the Senate and Hayworth ranks at number 17 under the CAGW ratings, Schatz said”
That would be a FAIL in my view, but JD and the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth seem to not be on a first name basis.
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Wait, so I have to provide links and you just have to use italics?
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 11:21PM EST (link)And you wonder why I call you a hack.
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Here you go
SteveLA (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 11:28PM EST (link)Here you go a link to the CNS article….don’t want to make it too hard to help you out.
The article tends to paint the issue of who’s more fiscally conservative in a fair way.
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Steve, you'll also note that Senate and House are rated separately...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 11:39PM EST (link)So comparing McCain’s 7th of 50 to Hayworth’s 17th of 400+ actually still puts Hayworth higher from what I can tell.
But that was a nice spin.
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The article and the quotes
SteveLA (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 11:50PM EST (link)You can read it any way you want I suppose and Tom Schatz explains the nuance of the matter.
JD voted for the Prescription drug benefit
McCain did not
McCain supported President Bush with the TARP legislation and voted YES
McCain also voted for all the other junk too, I’m not thrilled by those votes at all.
JD did not vote on any of these issues, and I make no claim on how he would have voted. JD can make all the claims he wants on how he might have voted, but he was out of office and all we can look at is what he did vote on when in office and that’s not a good record head to head with McCain or Congressman Flake in that same period.
OnTheIssues.com is a good research tool on what the real story is on votes. I usually consult it.
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Competency over ideological purity and litmus tests
JD helped write the Bush Tax cuts, McCain opposed them.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 11:54PM EST (link)And not only did he oppose them, he opposed them by denouncing them as tax cuts for the rich. How … progressive of him.
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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Aaron Gardner (Diary) Saturday, April 17th at 12:13AM EST (link)You own link show that McCain voted for more government HC than JD did, and that’s including Medicare Part D.
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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When McCain is conservative he tends to
JSobieski (Diary) Saturday, April 17th at 2:12AM EST (link)fade into the background, act very polite, etc.
When McCain takes on conservatives, he gets a lot of attention, he leads the way for democrat talking points, and can be quite nasty to those in his own party.
The irony is that McCain, a true war hero, is someone I don’t trust to watch my back in any kind of political fight. Heck, there is a non-de minimis probability that he leads the effort to take you out.
McCain is unique in the Senate in that many Senators will follow his lead, or at least acquiesce.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
I'll add there is no lie in saying Haywirth's score is higher than McCain's
AceInTX (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 11:59PM EST (link)89 is higher than 88 last time I checked…and I don’t know how you can say that’s a lie with a straight face.
yeah you can make the claim that it’s harder to maintain a high over a longer period of time..but that doesn’t make saying 89 is higher than 88 a lie!]
Fail on all counts Steve
And I don't want to hear about "real conservative leadership" from a guy who cant even support the conservative in his own state SteveLA.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 10:58PM EST (link)You beclown yourself.
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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That's Palin's mistake...and a fatal on with me
AceInTX (Diary) Friday, April 16th at 11:35PM EST (link)I was still with her after she made the first appearance for McCain because I could at least understand her sense of loyalty…but she lost me with the second appearance…and she shows herself to be too naive for the big time with every appearance she makes lavishing praise on the man who allowed his hacks to attack her for months on end and refused to defend her until he needed her.
she’s a doofus for trusting the old scuzz bag and he’s exposed himself as nothing more than a fraud and a liar by allowing her to sing his praises when he really wishes she’d just go away
Ace- I put that on the same level
Scope (Diary) Saturday, April 17th at 8:10AM EST (link)as when Hillary sat next to Bill, on TV, and said that Bill didn’t have a relationship with Lewinski. It was all just a “vast right wing conspiracy.” Not that I ever liked Hillary, but I lost all respect for her as a person, a wife and a mother.
I got a similar feeling about Palin when she not only campaigned for him, but acted like she was having the time of her life with some good friends. Isn’t that like battered wife syndrome?
I think the analogy fits nt
AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, April 17th at 9:14AM EST (link)How about some pork? Let's take a recent McCain example
ColdWarrior (Diary) Saturday, April 17th at 1:05AM EST (link)Remember the “voluntary mandatory ‘public service’ for school KIDS’” bill?
This was passed by the House. Comes over to the Senate. What did McCain do? He “reached across the aisle” to his good friend Teddy Kennedy and, along with Judd Gregg and about 20 other limp Richard Republican senators, ADDED spending to it, upping the ante to $5.7 Billion. $5.7 Billion that we don’t have. That was added to the deficit. For our kids and their kids to pay.
The entire thing was an earmark. One big, fat, stinking earmark of a bill, doling out money to every kind of left wing “public service” group you can name. And what did McCain’s staff say? These young, wet behind the ears kids told me that the “general welfare clause” authorized this spending. But, I patiently explained to them, this wasn’t “general welfare” spending but targeted, special interest spending. Hmmmm. They didn’t have an answer. I demanded they send me the actual words of the Constitution that authorized the spending, with McCain’s signature. Well, he eventually sent me a form letter, thanking me for contacting him about “H.R. 1388, the Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education (GIVE) Act” and explaining how great, for example, the “volunteer” programs like AmeriCorps are, leaving out the fact that these are not volunteer programs but wasteful “make work” programs where the “volunteers” receive bribes, err, I mean, paychecks.
Oh, and of course, his letter ignored the whole reason I called and wrote to him about the “GIVE” act.
I want McCain gone, if possible. We can do better. J.D. Hayworth can serve the people of AZ better than McCain. That’s why I’ll be going door-to-door before the primary election in my precinct to get out the vote for anyone but McCain. If McCain happens to win, I’ll “pivot” and help him win the general.
Thank you.
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ColdWarrior- I hope
Scope (Diary) Saturday, April 17th at 8:16AM EST (link)and pray that you won’t have to “pivot” and help McCain in the general. It will look very funny standing at someone’s door wearing nose plugs.
Alright, here's the skinny:
aesthete (Diary) Saturday, April 17th at 3:52PM EST (link)My admittedly biased opinion on both candidates.
McCain is ultimately an egocentric politician with few binding principles: gliding from issue to issue, he attempts to provide what he perceives as “balance” to the political debate, and often ends up with a worst-of-both-worlds result. He is untethered from Party leadership, and could be considered a leader in his own right: a good thing, in the case of Medicare Part D and some other votes, but on net, a negative: it has led him to support some decidedly unconservative and un-Constitutional things in the past (McCain-Feingold being the ultimate culmination of this independence from principle and Party). It is incorrect, then, to say that he is “liberal” or “conservative”, as such terms are defined in the US. Instead, he is an amalgam of contradictory positions; the flagship politician of moderates everywhere.
Hayworth is also egocentric, but supplements this by being a reliable Party vote. This is as much a blessing as it is a curse: although he voted in favor of many of the good things done and supported by Republicans, he also voted for virtually all of the bad bills supported by leadership (MediCare Pt D, No Child Left Behind, the populist Sarbanes-Oxley regulatory bill, and the 527 Reform Act, an expansion of McCain-Feingold). The exception, of course, is amnesty: he was one of a few Congressmen who opposed Pres Bush’s amnesty bill, and helped lead the charge to kill said bill.
Despite what Rasmussen’s polling indicates, I’m not convinced that JD will pull this off: support for JD is extremely low in Tucson. I’ll take CW’s word for it that JD is much loved among Maricopans, but when I was there, I saw little support for him.. If he does pull it off, we’ll have a blowhard who votes with the Party, not a conservative crusader or a Marco Rubio. Regardless, the Republican primary winner will also win in the general.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton