Notre Dame’s Decision and the Voice of the Pope


There seems to be a vague notion among non-Catholics, and sometimes even among Catholics themselves, that somehow the lack of a statement from the Pope himself on the decision by Notre Dame University to honor President Obama indicates that he is either supportive of the decision or that the issue of whether or not the President should have been honored by a Catholic institution is a debatable matter. This could not be further from the truth. It concerns me in watching how supporters of Fr. Jenkins have framed their dialogue in interviews, whenever they mention Pope Benedict in relation to this issue, that the uninformed could potentially come to view the Church as a somewhat disorganized group of people who do things willy-nilly unless the Pope clears things up for everyone, as if the Pope is the only person in the Catholic Church with any authority whatsoever. It is helpful to examine how the authority of the Church works in practice.

We can see the basic model of the Church yet in its infancy in the Book of Acts, Chapter 15 where a dispute about circumcision appears and the matter is taken to the Council of Jerusalem. Even though this was a serious matter of doctrine which was of concern to the entire Church worldwide (not merely a local issue of whether or not to obey previously defined teaching), it was St. James, bishop of Jerusalem, who pronounced the teaching on the matter per the instruction of St. Peter who was historically the first pope. The office then held by St. Peter which is now held by Pope Benedict XVI is one of being “first among equals”. Because the issue of circumcision was not something that had previously been defined, it required formal definition by the “apostles and elders” who were then seated in Jerusalem. In fact, St. Paul traveled over three hundred miles from Antioch to Jerusalem for a ruling that would become binding upon the entire Church. Even so, the official pronouncement was made by St. James, the bishop of Jerusalem wherein the Council was seated, and the decision was final.

What if, after the decision on the matter had already been promulgated, there rose up disobedience to it in the Church at the local level? That disobedience would be comparable to the disobedience which occurred at Notre Dame yesterday in that there is no excuse for it. The teaching on this matter was pronounced long before Barack Obama was even elected as President of the United States. It was not a debatable issue before his election as President and neither his glowing personality, high intellect or even his work among the poor, regardless of how noble his intentions may have been, could possibly excuse disobedience.

Again, there should have been no dispute whatsoever as the instruction had already previously been issued by the full United States Conference of Catholic Bishops even before Barack Obama was elected as President of the United States. That instruction, Catholics in Political Life says, in part:

The Catholic community and Catholic institutions should not honor those who act in defiance of our fundamental moral principles. They should not be given awards, honors or platforms which would suggest support for their actions.

What is a “fundamental moral principle”? Had there been some confusion on Fr. Jenkins’ part as to whether or not President Obama has acted “in defiance of our fundamental moral principles”, his responsibility would have been to consult the local bishop for an authoritative interpretation, as Bishop John D’Arcy, Jenkins’ local bishop, explains.

The Church has been very clear already that certain issues consisently trump others. This is clear in the USCCB’s document Faithful Citizenship though some wish to distort it because their priorities differ from God’s.

If you really want a statement from the Pope on this, we can provide one that is objective and timely and that covers all persons regardless of who they are and what circumstances they may find themselves in. On May 4, 2009, Pope Benedict XVI affirmed non-negotiables in his address to the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences. In that address, he noted the growth in recognition by the world community of human rights after we experienced tremendous upheaval and suffering during two World Wars. These rights do include many of the rights championed by President Obama, to the President’s credit. Pope Benedict noted, however, that these rights now almost universally recognized across the world actually spring from even more basic rights — the “right to life” and the “freedom of conscience and religion” — both of which are now under assault by President Obama with his pledge to reinstate funding of the UNFPA (who can bear it?) and his proposal to take away the freedom of conscience of health care workers. (Again, who can bear it?)

Priorities, folks.

It is neither necessary nor appropriate for the Pope to address a local issue specifically when he speaks volumes on these things for the world at large — issues that apply universally (“Catholic” means “universal”, folks.) to all of humankind. President Obama, despite the fact that he is the leader of the most powerful nation in the world, is not so special that he is exempt from what is fundamentally wrong for all of humanity. Please. Give us a break from the calls to have the Pope give the proverbial time of day to those who suppose that Obama is unique among all men in that he is exempt from being required to defend life and conscience at the most fundamental levels.

As Bishop D’Arcy indicates in the statement shared on the diocesan website, his authority on the matter was not appropriately sought by Fr. Jenkins, President of Notre Dame.

There are tribunals in the Church which deal with disagreements on interpretation. When all other appeals have been exhausted, the matter is left to the Vatican. Does the Pope make a decision on these individual matters? Nope. That is left to the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura. That’s the Vatican’s highest court and its Prefect is Archbishop Raymond Burke. Appropriately, because of the scandal involved in this matter with a President who is truly unique in that Office and with Notre Dame having the reputation of being the premiere Catholic university in America, Archbishop Burke issued a public statement on the matter. He did not disappoint.


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I Appreciate This Diary

Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Monday, May 18th at 12:49PM EST (link)

Many, especially non-Catholics, have ridiculous notions about the Church. You debunked many of them. Nice job.

I appreciate it too, but it doesn't change a basic point re Notre Dame and the Vatican

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, May 18th at 2:30PM EST (link)

Notre Dame chose to honor a pro-death for born alive infants President and the Vatican earlier issued a statement praising Obama for some very minor non-fully extremist walk-backs on policies he had differed on in the campaign.

I have tried to disengage this matter from the Catholic Church but media won’t have it.

This is an issue that all Christians have engaged in since Roe, not just Catholics by a long shot. I would say that, to date, no underlings at Southern Baptist colleges have exercised their authority to honor such a vile creature.

I have no problem with him speaking. To me it is the honorary degree, hence:

http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2009/05/17/notre-dame-deserves/

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The Church Has Over 860 Million Members

Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Monday, May 18th at 2:49PM EST (link)

It’s almost three times as large as the United States. The Pope’s flock extends to all four corners of the globe. The Vatican is equally concerned with matters in Perth, Australia and Maputo, Mozambique as it is with South Bend, Indiana. It is has an old structured heirarchy and all members are held accountable. I’d like to see a protestant pastor tend to a congregation of 900 million with perfect understanding of every local issue and perfect communication on all matters.

Its funny how a pastor like Rick Warren can be heralded one moment and fold like a deck of cards on gay marriage the next moment and American Protestants simply wash their hands of him. But the nitpicking and criticism of every Catholic shortcoming from those not associated with the Church never ends.

860 Million "Members"? That sounds impressive, but...

Britcom (Diary) Monday, May 18th at 3:01PM EST (link)

Where is the statistic on how many BELIEVERS the church has?

Just because one is a “member” of a church, that in and of itself is not evidence that one believes in the church’s teachings or even accepts them as righteous and true.

Of course, why anyone would maintain membership in any church they don’t (or won’t) agree with is beyond me. It would be better for everyone if they left.

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I'm not sure defining "membership" is that easy.

JustLeaveMeAlone (Diary) Monday, May 18th at 5:03PM EST (link)

Imagine my surprise at learning I was still on the rolls of a Baptist church in another state that I hadn’t attended in over 20 years!

Did I ever “quit”? No; I moved 500 miles away.

So how many churchgoers (of any denomination) are double counted? How many are not counted at all because they never formally joined and yet regularly attend? What makes one a member?

“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson

Counting Catholics

Lisa Graas (Diary) Monday, May 18th at 5:27PM EST (link)

It’s very simple to count Catholics since when you move and go to another parish, you transfer membership.

Except when you don't

JustLeaveMeAlone (Diary) Monday, May 18th at 11:26PM EST (link)

I asked several Catholics I know if they’ve done that — and got “no” from all of them. (Baptists are supposed to do this too, BTW — when you join the new church you join “on promise of letter” from your old church.)

If you are an active churchgoer, the kind who goes and signs up in the office, yes, probably it works that way. But there are a lot of people who were raised Catholic, consider themselves Catholic, and attend Mass five or six times a year at whatever service is nearby.

So the question is: where is their “membership”? Suppose they haven’t attended the church were it resides in 30 years — is it still there? At what point do people get dropped off the rolls?

I attended a Church of Christ for almost 20 years with my ex. I never joined, although I participated in numerous activities. But most of the people who knew me from there never realized I wasn’t an official member, I’m sure.

“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson

Hmmmm

Lisa Graas (Diary) Tuesday, May 19th at 12:41AM EST (link)

Gosh, it’s just so different in the Catholic Church because when you are received into the Church you are a member of the worldwide Catholic Church. There is no need to “transfer” but it is proper to let the new priest know what sacraments you have received.

The Catholic Church is the same no matter where you go, no matter even what country you are in. I can go to a mass ANYWHERE and it is exactly the same as if I go to my home parish. I misspoke when I said “transfer membership” because that’s not technically what it is, so maybe that is why the confusion from the Catholics you asked. What you do is tell the new priest what sacraments you have received in the Church. He can get confirmation of this from your former priest. The former priest can mail him a certificate showing when you were baptized, married, etc.

We don’t think of “membership” the way you do. One becomes a member of the Church when he is baptized or (in the case of converts who enter the Catholic church with a valid baptism from another ecclesial congregation) when he is confirmed.

I am a member of the Church by virtue of my baptism. The Church doesn’t “drop people from the rolls”. Once you’re baptized, you’re a member of the worldwide Church. Even if you cursed the Church publicly, you might repent and return. We don’t re-baptize people because we believe baptism leaves a permanent mark on the soul. The repentant return through the Sacrament of Penance and are not re-baptized.

If I move to another city and want to attend a new parish on a regular basis, I register, but my membership, being a fact by virtue of my baptism, is not in question at all. I will always be considered a member even if I stop going to mass.

Hope that helps you to understand more about why the membership numbers are so high, why so many “professed Catholics” voted for Obama, etc.

Spot on

Lammo (Diary) Tuesday, May 19th at 1:57AM EST (link)

We have been to Mass in Munich and Bacharach in Germany, Florence and Rome in Italy, Moscow in Russia (and in Idaho), and all over the U.S. and, except for not knowing the exact words being used had no trouble following the Mass and knowing when to sit, kneel or stand. My favorite was the Kommunionkinder Mass in Bacharach (small town on the Rhine).

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Democrats belong to Churches for Political reasons

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Monday, May 18th at 5:17PM EST (link)

Obama and Wright… need we bother to say more?

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I take it by that that you mean Democrat Politicians.

randy streu (Diary) Monday, May 18th at 5:20PM EST (link)

as opposed to “All democrats”?

yes, of course, Thank you!

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Monday, May 18th at 5:25PM EST (link)

Especially the PLINOs mining for votes.

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“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”


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To be fair

JustLeaveMeAlone (Diary) Monday, May 18th at 11:27PM EST (link)

that is true of politicians on both sides of the aisle.

“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson

 
 

You are correct.

Lisa Graas (Diary) Monday, May 18th at 6:54PM EST (link)

It’s true that not all who profess that they are Catholics are true believers. A Catholic is required to submit to the teachings of the Church. Many many people do not submit. Those who applauded the decision by Notre Dame may be, in many cases, “Catholic”, but they are not obedient Catholics.

Membership doesn’t necessarily constitute belief, as you say.

 
 

Warren supported the Cally ban on gay marriage and as to tending the flock

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, May 18th at 4:56PM EST (link)

The Vatican chose to praise Obama in writing for puny actions that would be the equivalent of thanking Hitler for not killing but 6 million Jews rather than 7 million.

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After That Vote

Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Tuesday, May 19th at 9:27AM EST (link)

He turned gutless, sucked up to the beautiful people:

well, I think the key word in his statement is he is not an "activist"

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, May 19th at 10:23AM EST (link)

I think in the context he is trying to set the record straight on a statement that lumped homosexuality with beastiality. He states unequivocally that he is for marriage being defined as man-woman.

But that wasn’t his best performance on tv I will grant you.

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Lisa Graas (Diary) Monday, May 18th at 5:36PM EST (link)

It’s important for people to understand that this is nothing personal against President Obama in that he is not the only person who this teaching applies to. As a faithful Catholic who is appalled by Notre Dame’s decision, I do not want the Pope issuing a statement about this for the reason explained in my post. The truth is not just the truth for “everyone except Obama”. People somehow think Obama is exempt from what is true for the rest of his. He’s been deemed to have some kind of special status. Some even think him “messianic”, if you will. It is wholly inappropriate for the Pope to feed that in people. What is true for everyone is true for Barack Obama. Personalities being brought into theology is distracting and, in the case of Obama who is deemed somehow “more special” than the rest (they call him “the One”) it is even more important that the Pope not issue a statement.

 
 

btw SW, this Southern Baptist LOVES the Roman Catholic Church

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, May 18th at 4:59PM EST (link)

and appreciates their pro-life stance for eons and as a partner since Roe v Wade and all many fronts, as in most ALL, as I see Christians first. Loved Pope John Paul’s role in bringing down the USSR and regularly cite Benedict’s Regensburg speech on the connection between judeo-christian values and civil tolerance and Euro enlightenment.

Which is why I am so disappointed in the Vatican’s AFFIRMATIVE actions in praising Obama, when they could have remained silent while they gnash teeth over Peru etc… smile

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praising O for saying something we all know he doesn't mean...

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Monday, May 18th at 5:14PM EST (link)

… is as worthless as Obama having said it…. Perhaps he can show us he wants to make Abortions rarer by reversing his day 2 action/decision to sign Executive Order that started funding of Abortions overseas with US Taxpayer monies.

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“Liberals, looking to do for? America what they’ve done for? Detroit! which is DESTROY IT!”
“I think, therefore I am Conservative”
“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”


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Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
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St. Paul said.....

Lisa Graas (Diary) Monday, May 18th at 5:58PM EST (link)

…….we should feed with milk, not solid food, the truth to those who would merely vomit out the solid food and receive no nourishment. I trust that this is a case like that.

It is appropriate for people to be praised for the good work that they do.

I would ask, did the Pope come out against the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops when they issued a video statement saying Obama is moving us “away from democracy and toward despotism”? The answer is no, he didn’t.

Why do you think he didn’t disagree with them on that? Barack Obama is not the President of the world. He is a President of the United States and, therefore, it is appropriate for the Pope to be cordial with him to prevent a schism of the American Catholic Church away from the Vatican and it is appropriate for the USCCB to say we’re approaching tyranny.

I appreciate your good will toward the Catholic Church. I have similar good will toward Southern Baptists. Both my parents were members of an SBC church. However, I do think you misunderstand the role of the Pope in the Catholic Church.

Also, you mentioned the “Roman Catholic Church”. We Catholics generally see the “Roman Catholic Church” as consisting of the Latin rite. There are many rites in the Catholic Church (Byzantine, Melchite, etc.) and the Roman rite (Latin rite) is but one of those rites. In my experience, people who use the term “Roman Catholic Church” rather than just “Catholic Church” are generally protestants who don’t understand how the Catholic Church operates in practice. That’s anecdotal and not proof of anything, but just FYI….if you want to be seen as credible among Catholics, it is probably, in my humble opinion, best to say “Catholic Church” (not “Roman Catholic Church”) when discussing these issues.

True, there is but one catholic church

civil truth (Diary) Tuesday, May 19th at 1:02AM EST (link)

…also referred to as the church universal. Protestants and Catholics affirm that truth.The splintering of ecclesiatical structures that we see is grounded in differences over authority and traditions – which in turn derives from differences in theology and culture – plus sin in a variety of flavors. The most important way to maintain the church as the Bride of Christ is mutual forebearance and charity.

The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis

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Actually........

Lisa Graas (Diary) Tuesday, May 19th at 1:35AM EST (link)

………I was referring to the different rites. There are no differences in the doctrine among the various rites in the Catholic Church. There are only cultural diffences.