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	<title>Comments on: Liberal Fascism &#8211; Chapter 4</title>
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		<title>By: penguin2</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/warrior/2009/11/10/lib-fascism-chapter-4/comment-page-1/#comment-98</link>
		<dc:creator>penguin2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t feel like you have to do them for the weekend, it was just an observation of mine that Book Notes would fit in nicely on RS in that time slot, to do them justice.

With the schedule you just mentioned and from what I see from so many others on site here, most seem to get very little sleep.  But the efforts are appreciated, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t feel like you have to do them for the weekend, it was just an observation of mine that Book Notes would fit in nicely on RS in that time slot, to do them justice.</p>
<p>With the schedule you just mentioned and from what I see from so many others on site here, most seem to get very little sleep.  But the efforts are appreciated, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Warrior</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/warrior/2009/11/10/lib-fascism-chapter-4/comment-page-1/#comment-97</link>
		<dc:creator>Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must have hit the wrong button Again!</description>
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		<title>By: Warrior</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/warrior/2009/11/10/lib-fascism-chapter-4/comment-page-1/#comment-96</link>
		<dc:creator>Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m working my way through three home study courses, for both CEU&#039;s and as requirements for obtaining another professional credential...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m working my way through three home study courses, for both CEU&#8217;s and as requirements for obtaining another professional credential&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Warrior</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/warrior/2009/11/10/lib-fascism-chapter-4/comment-page-1/#comment-95</link>
		<dc:creator>Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the reviews would be great for week-end reads.  If I can get caught up I will try to have them by Sat or so.  However, you must remember: I have a day job, a family, a couple of community service obligations (not court ordered, though I&#039;ve done my share of those), church and household chores in the form of an elderly mother who lives nearby and a honey-do list at home.  (Also, I&#039;m readnig a Stackpole Military History Series book on the Morroccan Goums in WWII -- fascinating stuff; not to mention formal Bible study preparation, regular home Bible study, etc.)

You&#039;re also right about how connected the book&#039;s themes are to what&#039;s playing out in DC today.  And the amazing thing is, Goldberg wrote this way before Obama was elected, even before he was running, I think  (someone will have to fact-check me on that.)

Anyway, thanks for your support...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the reviews would be great for week-end reads.  If I can get caught up I will try to have them by Sat or so.  However, you must remember: I have a day job, a family, a couple of community service obligations (not court ordered, though I&#8217;ve done my share of those), church and household chores in the form of an elderly mother who lives nearby and a honey-do list at home.  (Also, I&#8217;m readnig a Stackpole Military History Series book on the Morroccan Goums in WWII &#8212; fascinating stuff; not to mention formal Bible study preparation, regular home Bible study, etc.)</p>
<p>You&#8217;re also right about how connected the book&#8217;s themes are to what&#8217;s playing out in DC today.  And the amazing thing is, Goldberg wrote this way before Obama was elected, even before he was running, I think  (someone will have to fact-check me on that.)</p>
<p>Anyway, thanks for your support&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Warrior</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/warrior/2009/11/10/lib-fascism-chapter-4/comment-page-1/#comment-94</link>
		<dc:creator>Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an old man.  I have no idea who or what Scandal is!

Am I better off ignorant?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an old man.  I have no idea who or what Scandal is!</p>
<p>Am I better off ignorant?</p>
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		<title>By: penguin2</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/warrior/2009/11/10/lib-fascism-chapter-4/comment-page-1/#comment-93</link>
		<dc:creator>penguin2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been reading right along and the diaries have been so comprehensive, and you and others have an excellent in depth knowledge of it, I just thought to sit back and appreciate it.  Two things I&#039;ve gleaned from the book so far:  incredible surprise at how connected today&#039;s political scene is to these roots of the past, and indeed, we should call the Liberal Left for the Fascists they are.

A suggestion for Book Notes, perhaps these could be posted on the weekend and more time is available to read and discuss same.  Mondays and the rest of the week bring lots of other diaries and political events seem to crowd these out.  IMO, these would be good diaries for the weekend on RS.  Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been reading right along and the diaries have been so comprehensive, and you and others have an excellent in depth knowledge of it, I just thought to sit back and appreciate it.  Two things I&#8217;ve gleaned from the book so far:  incredible surprise at how connected today&#8217;s political scene is to these roots of the past, and indeed, we should call the Liberal Left for the Fascists they are.</p>
<p>A suggestion for Book Notes, perhaps these could be posted on the weekend and more time is available to read and discuss same.  Mondays and the rest of the week bring lots of other diaries and political events seem to crowd these out.  IMO, these would be good diaries for the weekend on RS.  Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: JLenardDetroit</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/warrior/2009/11/10/lib-fascism-chapter-4/comment-page-1/#comment-92</link>
		<dc:creator>JLenardDetroit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>every time I see a &quot;Warrior&quot; post ;-) lol

Sorry, lame levity interjection, we now return to regular interacting....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>every time I see a &#8220;Warrior&#8221; post <img src='http://www.redstate.com/warrior/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  lol</p>
<p>Sorry, lame levity interjection, we now return to regular interacting&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But so is Rush Limbaugh.

Populist movements and populous movements are intersecting sets, but neither is a subset of the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But so is Rush Limbaugh.</p>
<p>Populist movements and populous movements are intersecting sets, but neither is a subset of the other.</p>
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		<title>By: Warrior</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/warrior/2009/11/10/lib-fascism-chapter-4/comment-page-1/#comment-90</link>
		<dc:creator>Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>turn out to be far less than advertised...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>turn out to be far less than advertised&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: liddleun</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/warrior/2009/11/10/lib-fascism-chapter-4/comment-page-1/#comment-89</link>
		<dc:creator>liddleun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been waiting for something like this forum for years. A chance to read and discuss books that actually have value. Not some sophomoric Oprah book club. If this goes away I will once again be all alone. 

I had always had suspicions that the FDR administration was not all the left has it cracked up to be. The more I research, the more I learn. Put away the halo once and for all The One was not then and is not now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been waiting for something like this forum for years. A chance to read and discuss books that actually have value. Not some sophomoric Oprah book club. If this goes away I will once again be all alone. </p>
<p>I had always had suspicions that the FDR administration was not all the left has it cracked up to be. The more I research, the more I learn. Put away the halo once and for all The One was not then and is not now.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Mullins</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/warrior/2009/11/10/lib-fascism-chapter-4/comment-page-1/#comment-88</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Mullins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see I&#039;m the only that you correct. I should say that Huey P Long was a leader of a populous movement, so in that Kyle is partially right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see I&#8217;m the only that you correct. I should say that Huey P Long was a leader of a populous movement, so in that Kyle is partially right.</p>
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		<title>By: Warrior</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/warrior/2009/11/10/lib-fascism-chapter-4/comment-page-1/#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator>Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of the German National Socialist Party of that era, the name became a point of contention on the amazon.com comment section a while ago....

I went to the site to purchase my copy if Lib Fascism when it came out and a roaring &quot;discssuion&quot; was going on under the heading &quot;White Men are the New Jews.&quot;  Naturally I jumped right in.

One guy kept insisting that the Nazi&#039;s weren&#039;t socialists because Hitler never liked the name itself.  He never offered any proof of this, but even if he had, it would seem to make little difference to me.

Of course, one runs in to a whole lot of whacko&#039;s over there debating the merits of various books.  I argued for weeks one time with a guy who insisted that the Holocaust was sham resurrected for PR purposes at the end of the war.  No matter how much evidnce one threw at him, he always claimed it was bogus.  

For instance, what about the live interviews with survivors of the camps?  Well, it was either altered before publication or there was no proof that they were Jews.  And on and on it went.  

In the middle of the discussion, the shooting at the Holocaust memorial took place.  Because of his virulent anti-Semitism, the three of us who were swinging away at this denier and his erstwhile posting buddy truly thought we were debating James W. von Brunn!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of the German National Socialist Party of that era, the name became a point of contention on the amazon.com comment section a while ago&#8230;.</p>
<p>I went to the site to purchase my copy if Lib Fascism when it came out and a roaring &#8220;discssuion&#8221; was going on under the heading &#8220;White Men are the New Jews.&#8221;  Naturally I jumped right in.</p>
<p>One guy kept insisting that the Nazi&#8217;s weren&#8217;t socialists because Hitler never liked the name itself.  He never offered any proof of this, but even if he had, it would seem to make little difference to me.</p>
<p>Of course, one runs in to a whole lot of whacko&#8217;s over there debating the merits of various books.  I argued for weeks one time with a guy who insisted that the Holocaust was sham resurrected for PR purposes at the end of the war.  No matter how much evidnce one threw at him, he always claimed it was bogus.  </p>
<p>For instance, what about the live interviews with survivors of the camps?  Well, it was either altered before publication or there was no proof that they were Jews.  And on and on it went.  </p>
<p>In the middle of the discussion, the shooting at the Holocaust memorial took place.  Because of his virulent anti-Semitism, the three of us who were swinging away at this denier and his erstwhile posting buddy truly thought we were debating James W. von Brunn!</p>
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		<title>By: Warrior</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/warrior/2009/11/10/lib-fascism-chapter-4/comment-page-1/#comment-86</link>
		<dc:creator>Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Warrior</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/warrior/2009/11/10/lib-fascism-chapter-4/comment-page-1/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Warrior</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/warrior/2009/11/10/lib-fascism-chapter-4/comment-page-1/#comment-84</link>
		<dc:creator>Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was wondering whether I should continue since no one seemed to be reading.  

I guess I better start re-reading chapter five now that I know folks are &quot;lurking.&quot;

And yeah, ain&#039;t C. S. Lewis GREAT?!?!?!  He&#039;s a former atheist you know...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering whether I should continue since no one seemed to be reading.  </p>
<p>I guess I better start re-reading chapter five now that I know folks are &#8220;lurking.&#8221;</p>
<p>And yeah, ain&#8217;t C. S. Lewis GREAT?!?!?!  He&#8217;s a former atheist you know&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: stixxxnstones</title>
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		<dc:creator>stixxxnstones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right.  I&#039;ve been greatly enjoying the online book club, though I haven&#039;t had time to comment on it.  Without this, I never would have stopped to pick up Liberal Fascism in the first place.

And oh, the things I&#039;ve learned.

The Clinton stuff is interesting, but the most enlightening portions of this book are the history and relationship of modern liberalism and fascism.  I always assumed that the name of the National Socialist party of Germany was reason enough to believe that fascism was of the left, but I didn&#039;t have the historical ammo to make the argument.

Now, I do.  And I have that argument now, at the ready.

So keep slogging through this epic book.  I, for one, can&#039;t wait to do this with the Federalist Papers.  And maybe next Sunday night I can do some writing on Liberal Fascism, Chapter 5 :D

Here, the silent majority thrives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right.  I&#8217;ve been greatly enjoying the online book club, though I haven&#8217;t had time to comment on it.  Without this, I never would have stopped to pick up Liberal Fascism in the first place.</p>
<p>And oh, the things I&#8217;ve learned.</p>
<p>The Clinton stuff is interesting, but the most enlightening portions of this book are the history and relationship of modern liberalism and fascism.  I always assumed that the name of the National Socialist party of Germany was reason enough to believe that fascism was of the left, but I didn&#8217;t have the historical ammo to make the argument.</p>
<p>Now, I do.  And I have that argument now, at the ready.</p>
<p>So keep slogging through this epic book.  I, for one, can&#8217;t wait to do this with the Federalist Papers.  And maybe next Sunday night I can do some writing on Liberal Fascism, Chapter 5 <img src='http://www.redstate.com/warrior/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Here, the silent majority thrives.</p>
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		<title>By: Warrior</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(I read the book a log time ago as well.)

And you are probably right, but I too give him credit for trying.  It&#039;s nice to have the truth on record in such superb form.

Maybe we should start calling the liberal left fascists for a change!

But since we are conservatives, it&#039;s really not in our nature to call people names, even if it&#039;s true.

The socialists had to threaten to nationalize one fifth of the economy just to get us up and yelling at townhall meetings...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(I read the book a log time ago as well.)</p>
<p>And you are probably right, but I too give him credit for trying.  It&#8217;s nice to have the truth on record in such superb form.</p>
<p>Maybe we should start calling the liberal left fascists for a change!</p>
<p>But since we are conservatives, it&#8217;s really not in our nature to call people names, even if it&#8217;s true.</p>
<p>The socialists had to threaten to nationalize one fifth of the economy just to get us up and yelling at townhall meetings&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: shadowtax</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/warrior/2009/11/10/lib-fascism-chapter-4/comment-page-1/#comment-81</link>
		<dc:creator>shadowtax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the most important thing I learned from this chapter is that the National Recovery Act&#039;s fascist Blue Eagle program gave birth to the Philadelphia Eagles.   Now I understand why their fans have such a reputation. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the most important thing I learned from this chapter is that the National Recovery Act&#8217;s fascist Blue Eagle program gave birth to the Philadelphia Eagles.   Now I understand why their fans have such a reputation. <img src='http://www.redstate.com/warrior/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: tnvolunteer</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/warrior/2009/11/10/lib-fascism-chapter-4/comment-page-1/#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator>tnvolunteer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps more people are like me, lurking and not commenting...

Many thanks to Warrior and to Erick for this project; know that we&#039;re reading along with you, appreciating your insights, finding much more food for thought, even if we aren&#039;t replying.

For the record, my copy is beginning to look like a study Bible: all red notes and highlights. The CS Lewis quote is circled in red AND highlighted, and forwarded to my bleedingheartliberaldemocrat sister just to p*** her off.

@Warrior above: &quot;Stopping current attempts to further socialize our country are surely more important than reading about those from the past, although they are inexorably linked…&quot; 

Sting has a song called &#039;History Will Teach Us Nothing&#039; which used to really annoy me, until this most recent election when its truth became paramount. Those who do not learn from the past, etc. This concept is absolutely embodied in the current climate of the political elites, all of whom have the arrogance to assume that only because THEY were not in charge have these ideas failed, but now that we&#039;re here, look out.

Hubris? One of the first steps a civilization can make toward its own destruction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps more people are like me, lurking and not commenting&#8230;</p>
<p>Many thanks to Warrior and to Erick for this project; know that we&#8217;re reading along with you, appreciating your insights, finding much more food for thought, even if we aren&#8217;t replying.</p>
<p>For the record, my copy is beginning to look like a study Bible: all red notes and highlights. The CS Lewis quote is circled in red AND highlighted, and forwarded to my bleedingheartliberaldemocrat sister just to p*** her off.</p>
<p>@Warrior above: &#8220;Stopping current attempts to further socialize our country are surely more important than reading about those from the past, although they are inexorably linked…&#8221; </p>
<p>Sting has a song called &#8216;History Will Teach Us Nothing&#8217; which used to really annoy me, until this most recent election when its truth became paramount. Those who do not learn from the past, etc. This concept is absolutely embodied in the current climate of the political elites, all of whom have the arrogance to assume that only because THEY were not in charge have these ideas failed, but now that we&#8217;re here, look out.</p>
<p>Hubris? One of the first steps a civilization can make toward its own destruction.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/warrior/2009/11/10/lib-fascism-chapter-4/comment-page-1/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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