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	<title>Comments on: Obama to Cut Slain Officer&#8217;s Benefits in Half</title>
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		<title>By: richris</title>
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		<dc:creator>richris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 23:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now if you would put as much effort in policing the shenanigans of Obama and Company, an admirable public service will have been performed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now if you would put as much effort in policing the shenanigans of Obama and Company, an admirable public service will have been performed.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Rebel</title>
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		<dc:creator>The_Rebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 01:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just like VA loan guarantees are available to spouses of military veterans who died while in service, were missing in action, or were prisoners of war.  Those guarantees allow the veteran&#039;s spouse to borrow money to buy a home without the need for a cash down payment.  Generally, lenders will lend up to 4 times the amount of the entitlement with no cash investment by the borrower.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just like VA loan guarantees are available to spouses of military veterans who died while in service, were missing in action, or were prisoners of war.  Those guarantees allow the veteran&#8217;s spouse to borrow money to buy a home without the need for a cash down payment.  Generally, lenders will lend up to 4 times the amount of the entitlement with no cash investment by the borrower.</p>
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		<title>By: Mandy P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mandy P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 00:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate your understanding (and apparently articulating better than I did) what I was trying to say. As I said previously, none of these people feel that the government owes them anything. Yet, it is a debt of honor we owe them for their sacrifice. Same with the military. The men and women in uniform, be it that of a military, or a public safety officer, deserve our respect and all the assistance we can give them as do their families when they fall.

And yes, most do carry some type of life insurance. However, that can take a long time to come through. In my own circumstance, it was well over a year before my mom received compensation from my dad&#039;s life insurance policy. At the time I don&#039;t think this program was in place (or we didn&#039;t know the right people to get access to it as the COPS organization wasn&#039;t running in our area until the late 1990s and it&#039;s not automatic enrollment) and we had nothing in the interim. Mom got a job, of course, but having home maker on your resume (especially at the time) wasn&#039;t exactly considered a stellar qualification for a higher paying job. 

We made it, but it would have been nice if we had something like this program to help fill in the gaps before the insurance money got there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate your understanding (and apparently articulating better than I did) what I was trying to say. As I said previously, none of these people feel that the government owes them anything. Yet, it is a debt of honor we owe them for their sacrifice. Same with the military. The men and women in uniform, be it that of a military, or a public safety officer, deserve our respect and all the assistance we can give them as do their families when they fall.</p>
<p>And yes, most do carry some type of life insurance. However, that can take a long time to come through. In my own circumstance, it was well over a year before my mom received compensation from my dad&#8217;s life insurance policy. At the time I don&#8217;t think this program was in place (or we didn&#8217;t know the right people to get access to it as the COPS organization wasn&#8217;t running in our area until the late 1990s and it&#8217;s not automatic enrollment) and we had nothing in the interim. Mom got a job, of course, but having home maker on your resume (especially at the time) wasn&#8217;t exactly considered a stellar qualification for a higher paying job. </p>
<p>We made it, but it would have been nice if we had something like this program to help fill in the gaps before the insurance money got there.</p>
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		<title>By: Mandy P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mandy P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 00:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen it done. In the store. The person right in front of me in the line. Bought booze, cigs and steak with food stamps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen it done. In the store. The person right in front of me in the line. Bought booze, cigs and steak with food stamps.</p>
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		<title>By: dt</title>
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		<dc:creator>dt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 22:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nt</description>
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		<title>By: mbecker908</title>
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		<dc:creator>mbecker908</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 20:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the hell is the federal government doing providing death benefits to police officers who work for somebody other than the federal government.  If that&#039;s an important and desirable thing then let the jurisdictions they work for provide the benefit either directly or through insurance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the hell is the federal government doing providing death benefits to police officers who work for somebody other than the federal government.  If that&#8217;s an important and desirable thing then let the jurisdictions they work for provide the benefit either directly or through insurance.</p>
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		<title>By: catlady</title>
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		<dc:creator>catlady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 20:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is needed is to cut the lifetime pay of congress after they have been voted out. Bring back their &#039;civic duty&#039; instead of money incentive similar to BO&#039;s reasoning for cutting the charity tax deduction - if they are truly charitable, they don&#039;t need money incentives. They should have announced this kind of cut first before the officers since BO is supposedly after the rich high paid individuals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is needed is to cut the lifetime pay of congress after they have been voted out. Bring back their &#8216;civic duty&#8217; instead of money incentive similar to BO&#8217;s reasoning for cutting the charity tax deduction &#8211; if they are truly charitable, they don&#8217;t need money incentives. They should have announced this kind of cut first before the officers since BO is supposedly after the rich high paid individuals.</p>
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		<title>By: catlady</title>
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		<dc:creator>catlady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 20:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is needed is to cut the lifetime pay of congress after they have been voted out of congress. Bring back their &#039;civic duty&#039; instead of money incentive similar to BO&#039;s reasoning for cutting the charity tax deduction - if they are truly charitable, they don&#039;t need money incentives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is needed is to cut the lifetime pay of congress after they have been voted out of congress. Bring back their &#8216;civic duty&#8217; instead of money incentive similar to BO&#8217;s reasoning for cutting the charity tax deduction &#8211; if they are truly charitable, they don&#8217;t need money incentives.</p>
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		<title>By: mom2oneson</title>
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		<dc:creator>mom2oneson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 20:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mom2oneson</title>
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		<dc:creator>mom2oneson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 19:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your criticizing the word entitlement because you are equating the word with *only* public assistance programs. At the same you complained about fallen officier families being seen as waiting for a handout (due to your definition of the word entitlement) you wrote a lie and reinforced false stereotypes about those on public assistance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your criticizing the word entitlement because you are equating the word with *only* public assistance programs. At the same you complained about fallen officier families being seen as waiting for a handout (due to your definition of the word entitlement) you wrote a lie and reinforced false stereotypes about those on public assistance.</p>
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		<title>By: civil_truth</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/2009/05/09/obama-to-cut-slain-officers-benefits-in-half/#comment-6750</link>
		<dc:creator>civil_truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 19:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, much of the dispute between left and right center around this distinction.

(And BTW, I suspect that almost all police officers do carry some life insurance; their savings depends on their personal finances - along with the amount of insurance. So it&#039;s not an issue of rewarding irresponsiblity or anything like that.)

Perhaps my reference to obligation was not the best word to have chosen without further refinement.

What I was referring to was an &quot;obligation&quot; that constitutes a &quot;debt of honor&quot; - that is an obligation that we as a society &lt;strong&gt;voluntarily&lt;/strong&gt; assume in forming a compact to provide for &quot;common defense&quot; we have a special duty to come along side the families of those slain in the line of duty because it&#039;s the right and honorable thing to do.

The specifics of how we discharge this debt of course are open to discussion. But this debt of honor remains.

The distinction is that I am &lt;strong&gt;not&lt;/strong&gt; subscribing to the basis that the left would characteristically argue - that the families have a right&lt;/strong&gt; to such support. The families do not have an intrinsic claim upon us to assist them, which is what a right would entail.

Rather, again, it&#039;s a duty or obligation that we as a society have voluntarily taken upon ourselves in our compacting together to provide for the &quot;common defense&quot;

The same as with our soldiers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, much of the dispute between left and right center around this distinction.</p>
<p>(And BTW, I suspect that almost all police officers do carry some life insurance; their savings depends on their personal finances &#8211; along with the amount of insurance. So it&#8217;s not an issue of rewarding irresponsiblity or anything like that.)</p>
<p>Perhaps my reference to obligation was not the best word to have chosen without further refinement.</p>
<p>What I was referring to was an &#8220;obligation&#8221; that constitutes a &#8220;debt of honor&#8221; &#8211; that is an obligation that we as a society <strong>voluntarily</strong> assume in forming a compact to provide for &#8220;common defense&#8221; we have a special duty to come along side the families of those slain in the line of duty because it&#8217;s the right and honorable thing to do.</p>
<p>The specifics of how we discharge this debt of course are open to discussion. But this debt of honor remains.</p>
<p>The distinction is that I am <strong>not</strong> subscribing to the basis that the left would characteristically argue &#8211; that the families have a right to such support. The families do not have an intrinsic claim upon us to assist them, which is what a right would entail.</p>
<p>Rather, again, it&#8217;s a duty or obligation that we as a society have voluntarily taken upon ourselves in our compacting together to provide for the &#8220;common defense&#8221;</p>
<p>The same as with our soldiers.</p>
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		<title>By: catlady</title>
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		<dc:creator>catlady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 19:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First what is needed is to cut the &#039;pay for the afterlife&#039; of the all those voted out of the house and the senate, &#039;fallen&#039; from office so to speak. How about cutting their after-office benefit before the families of fallen officers?. I&#039;ll compare it to BO&#039;s charity tax cut reasoning - he wants to prove a charitable heart shouldn&#039;t be driven by money if true charity exists. Same can be applied to Congress - reinstitute their true &#039;civic duty&#039; over high paid office and retirement power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First what is needed is to cut the &#8216;pay for the afterlife&#8217; of the all those voted out of the house and the senate, &#8216;fallen&#8217; from office so to speak. How about cutting their after-office benefit before the families of fallen officers?. I&#8217;ll compare it to BO&#8217;s charity tax cut reasoning &#8211; he wants to prove a charitable heart shouldn&#8217;t be driven by money if true charity exists. Same can be applied to Congress &#8211; reinstitute their true &#8216;civic duty&#8217; over high paid office and retirement power.</p>
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		<title>By: mom2oneson</title>
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		<dc:creator>mom2oneson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 19:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Streiff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Streiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 19:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>exactly right</description>
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		<title>By: Streiff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Streiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 19:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to criticize me or my views, have at it. I&#039;m  a big boy. But I will require that my views be accurately represented and not symbolized by some bogus straw man.

1. I don&#039;t think the program  should be a federal program, if it is to get federal money-- and I am more than a little unclear on why the federal government should be involved in this -- the money should be in the form of a grant to state governments for this purpose.

2. Try reading the post before commenting. It would save all concerned a lot of time. Whether or not the program actually works is irrelevant in regards to this post.  The post is railing at cutting the budget authority for the program down to a level that is 50% higher than was obligated last year. Now I suppose you could argue that if it was funded at $100M and took 10 years to process a claim then if you cut it to $60M it will take 20 years but that really isn&#039;t the subject here and I&#039;m not sure I&#039;d disagree with you.

3. My only point in regards to this  post is that it reflects a total ignorance, or deliberate disregard, of how this and other entitlement programs work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to criticize me or my views, have at it. I&#8217;m  a big boy. But I will require that my views be accurately represented and not symbolized by some bogus straw man.</p>
<p>1. I don&#8217;t think the program  should be a federal program, if it is to get federal money&#8211; and I am more than a little unclear on why the federal government should be involved in this &#8212; the money should be in the form of a grant to state governments for this purpose.</p>
<p>2. Try reading the post before commenting. It would save all concerned a lot of time. Whether or not the program actually works is irrelevant in regards to this post.  The post is railing at cutting the budget authority for the program down to a level that is 50% higher than was obligated last year. Now I suppose you could argue that if it was funded at $100M and took 10 years to process a claim then if you cut it to $60M it will take 20 years but that really isn&#8217;t the subject here and I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;d disagree with you.</p>
<p>3. My only point in regards to this  post is that it reflects a total ignorance, or deliberate disregard, of how this and other entitlement programs work.</p>
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		<title>By: mom2oneson</title>
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		<dc:creator>mom2oneson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 19:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>of stupid spending like that. That doesn&#039;t give us reason to say they should spend money in other places they should not. Our argument should stop at saying the first thing was wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>of stupid spending like that. That doesn&#8217;t give us reason to say they should spend money in other places they should not. Our argument should stop at saying the first thing was wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: red4ever</title>
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		<dc:creator>red4ever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 19:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>someone who tried to get these benefits?   I have a friend who did.   Took TEN YEARS to get the check.   So, go ahead, tell me how this program just cuts a check and all is good.     

You know what the money goes to?   The freaking bureaucrats who process the claim and take TEN YEARS to do it.    

Try looking into how the program actuall functions before you sound off on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>someone who tried to get these benefits?   I have a friend who did.   Took TEN YEARS to get the check.   So, go ahead, tell me how this program just cuts a check and all is good.     </p>
<p>You know what the money goes to?   The freaking bureaucrats who process the claim and take TEN YEARS to do it.    </p>
<p>Try looking into how the program actuall functions before you sound off on this.</p>
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		<title>By: mom2oneson</title>
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		<dc:creator>mom2oneson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 19:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand the obligation to provide for their families. Providing for one&#039;s family after death seems like a personal responsibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand the obligation to provide for their families. Providing for one&#8217;s family after death seems like a personal responsibility.</p>
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		<title>By: civil_truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>civil_truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 18:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The authors of the Constitution assumed that each State was responsible for the common defense within its borders - and that would include what we call police duty.

What they were referring to was that the Federal government would provide a structure for states to band resources together to defend the nation from threats to the nation that were external threats or an insurrection that was beyond the ability of an individual state to handle.

So yes, &quot;common defense&quot; is a duty of the nation, but police work in general is a state or local level exercise of that &quot;common defense&quot;. Which also makes it an appropriate use of tax dollars at what ever level it is exercised.

Nonetheless, in 2009, with all the other rearrangements to the relationships between the federal government and the state in the intervening year, it may be more expedient to have such a program at the federal level. I&#039;m open to reasons for that - especially since I haven&#039;t previously thought about it.

But is does seem clear that this is not a duty that the Constitution envisions as being a federal duty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The authors of the Constitution assumed that each State was responsible for the common defense within its borders &#8211; and that would include what we call police duty.</p>
<p>What they were referring to was that the Federal government would provide a structure for states to band resources together to defend the nation from threats to the nation that were external threats or an insurrection that was beyond the ability of an individual state to handle.</p>
<p>So yes, &#8220;common defense&#8221; is a duty of the nation, but police work in general is a state or local level exercise of that &#8220;common defense&#8221;. Which also makes it an appropriate use of tax dollars at what ever level it is exercised.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, in 2009, with all the other rearrangements to the relationships between the federal government and the state in the intervening year, it may be more expedient to have such a program at the federal level. I&#8217;m open to reasons for that &#8211; especially since I haven&#8217;t previously thought about it.</p>
<p>But is does seem clear that this is not a duty that the Constitution envisions as being a federal duty.</p>
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		<title>By: civil_truth</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/2009/05/09/obama-to-cut-slain-officers-benefits-in-half/#comment-6740</link>
		<dc:creator>civil_truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 18:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And that means helping to look after their families. That&#039;s the central principle, and I think the RedState family strongly supports that.

As to how to administer such programs, that&#039;s a legitimate discussion, and it may well be that a Federal program is not the way we should be going - so long as lower levels of government or private entities pick up the slack.

But again, I would hope you don&#039;t view such discussions as an attack on or denial of our obligations as a society to those who have paid with their lives for our protection and safety.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And that means helping to look after their families. That&#8217;s the central principle, and I think the RedState family strongly supports that.</p>
<p>As to how to administer such programs, that&#8217;s a legitimate discussion, and it may well be that a Federal program is not the way we should be going &#8211; so long as lower levels of government or private entities pick up the slack.</p>
<p>But again, I would hope you don&#8217;t view such discussions as an attack on or denial of our obligations as a society to those who have paid with their lives for our protection and safety.</p>
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