Alcee Hastings is a congressman from Florida. He was also once a federal judge that was impeached for corruption. It’s an indictment of America that a criminal such as he can become a prominent national politician after being convicted of crimes and thrown off the bench.
Be that as it may, for all his crimes Hastings is also a bit of a showman… as such ner-do-wells usually are. Last Thursday on the floor of the House of Representatives the nation got a slice of that showmanship when Hastings took center stage to decry some “spurious” language hidden by another representative in the so-called hate crimes legislation then up for debate.
Hastings felt that the hate crimes legislation was “serious business” but the addition of some outrageous sexual practices in the bill made a mockery of it all. So, Rep. Hastings decided to read aloud some of this crazy terminology in order to show one and all how someone was “trivializing” what he considers important legislation.
The amendment made in the rules committee that came under Hastings’ disdain was meant to clear up what the hate crimes bill does not include under the rubric of “sexual orientation.” Hastings heatedly read some of these off-the-wall sexual practices, including: asphyxiphilia, apotomnophilia and autogynophilia, corophilia, exhibitionism, fetishism and toucherism. There were more, but you get the idea.
Hastings wrapped up his dramatic reading with a scolding for the unidentified amendment’s author as well as a slap on the wrist for anyone that didn’t take this hate crimes bill seriously.
“Mr. Speaker, we can’t legislate law, but we can legislate against hate.” Hastings said on the House floor. “This legislation may not rid us of the intolerance and prejudices that continue to taint our society but it will provide an added deterrent to those in who these feelings manifest themselves into acts of violence.”
But he went on to say, “…this legislation addresses our resolve to end violence based on prejudice and to guarantee that all Americans regardless of race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability or all of these philias, and fetishes, and isms that were put forward need not live in fear because of who they are.”
It all sounds so nice, doesn’t it? But here is where Hastings obviously doesn’t understand the logical conclusions to his own high flung rhetoric. For if we are to include the amorphous concepts of “sexual orientation” and “gender identity” in legislation, these terms must be defined. Law cannot be made on generalities, after all. Generalities breed lawsuits and conflict, not a settling of dispute.
So, when you get right down to it, the very crazy terms that Hastings so resolutely railed against will have to be included in some way — whether to be said they aren’t covered or that they are — in the legislation. If they are not, then aren’t we purposefully creating a bill that will exclude and therefore sanctify “hate” against those proclivities not named? And if we are to include “these philias, and fetishes, and isms” then aren’t we essentially legalizing mental disorders and making them untouchable and essentially unable to be treated by medicine?
The salient question here is if pedophile is next to be sanctioned as a protected sex act? Don’t we want to end “hate” against people that claim any particular self-identified “sexual orientation” or “gender identity,” Mr. Hastings? If not don’t we risk engaging in “hate” against child molesters, Mr. Hastings? After all, a logical outcome of your legislation would tend to end up there, wouldn’t it?
So are you pro-child molesting, Representative Hastings?
I yield the floor to you, sir, and await your answer.
Neil Stevens
Steve Maley
I think I can speak for many here when I say, "huh?"
Next93 (Diary) Wednesday, May 6th at 7:47AM EST (link)Ok, is this just a slip of the tongue, a misquote, or complete nonsense from Hastings?
The first part of that statement is just silly. The House can’t legislate law??? I thought that’s what we’re paying these people to do. Although, given Alcee’s past, maybe he figured it was just an opportunity for a bunch of popular guys to enrich themselves attaxpayer expense, much as he THOUGHT the federal bench was.
The second half, though, is really really scary. It’s not just the eighth-grade notion that we can outlaw “hate”; I’ve seen that before, and even though it’s silly, but trying to explain how that simply doesn’t work is about as easy as getting people to dislike puppies and kittens.
No, what’s scary about this is that someone who’s managed to get a law degree hasn’t been disabused of the notion that it’s the role of the government to outlaw hate, or to define those who we are not allowed to hate.
Obama was The One in 2008.
He’ll be a BIGGER one in 2012.
{kowalski} "When everyone is special, no one is"
Next93 (Diary) Wednesday, May 6th at 7:52AM EST (link)On second thought, maybe Hasting’s is actually trying to help protect the constitution. After all, if we define everyone as part of at least one protected class, then the effect of this law is to simply make for longer sentences for all violent crimes (which I’m not opposed to).
Obama was The One in 2008.
He’ll be a BIGGER one in 2012.
Two comments Kowa
Warrior (Diary) Wednesday, May 6th at 11:33AM EST (link)First, I think he said, “Mr. Speaker, we can’t legislate ‘LOVE’ etc. etc.” which, even by an eighth grader’s logic means you can’t legislate against “hate” either. I suspect graft, rather than logic, is Mr. Hastings forte.
Second, you can bet heterosexual, conservative white men will NEVER be a “protected” class.
“Racial criteria are irrational, irrelevant, [and] odious to our way of life.” — Thurgood Marshall for the NAACP Legal Defense Fund in the 1950 Supreme Court case of McLaurin v. Oklahoma
This may be silly on my behalf
arel Wednesday, May 6th at 8:22AM EST (link)but aren’t all crimes against Americans hate crimes? In the grand scheme of things all Americans should be protected and our great leaders shouldn’t have to list every American by color, religion or what ever else they are listing out. Good grief many of our politicans sense of reality is askewed. 2010 is our chance to make our voices heard loud and clear. I just hope by then most Americans have had enough of a Democratic controlled government.
Arel
Not silly at all
gonzo55 (Diary) Wednesday, May 6th at 8:47AM EST (link)just remember: savagely murdering your defenseless unborn child: medical procedure. Punching a black guy: hate crime.
“Facts are stubborn things” — Ronald Wilson Reagan
gonzo
Warrior (Diary) Wednesday, May 6th at 11:36AM EST (link)Yeah, and the funny thing is, most interracial crime by far is black on white. So, actually, most victims of racially motivated crimes are NOT protected by this bill. Go figure.
“Racial criteria are irrational, irrelevant, [and] odious to our way of life.” — Thurgood Marshall for the NAACP Legal Defense Fund in the 1950 Supreme Court case of McLaurin v. Oklahoma
People who support hate crimes legislation use flawed logic.
jeffreywturner (Diary) Wednesday, May 6th at 8:33AM EST (link)For instance, they named this bill, the main point of which is to add homosexuals to the ever-growing list of special classes of people, after Matthew Sheppard, who was murdered in cold blood.
The fact is, if conservatives have their way, the ones who killed him would all receive the death penalty. There is no more severe penalty. Therefore it is quite disingenuous to cite his case as a reason to support hate crimes laws.
The only actual logical support I can really think of to support the concept of criminalizing thought (which really is what hate crimes laws do) is analogize it to degrees of murder. For instance, pre-meditated murder is more severely punished than second degree murder, etc. Even this however is a stretch.
The thing that really angers me though is how the liberals like to use hate crimes (like so many other things) as a political tool to incite racial (and other) discord in order to further their electoral ambitions.
“Life is too short, can’t we all just eat pork and kill some terrorists?”
This is a perfect example of the Cloward-Piven strategy
Beaglescout (Diary) Wednesday, May 6th at 10:48AM EST (link)They take a non-existent crisis and treat it as if the sky was falling, then they come up with some bird-brained “solution” to the non-existent problem. The result is fewer freedom for all, and government granted preferences in law to small groups.
See here, here, and here.
From ACORN’s laudatory website on Cloward-Piven:
“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”
Worse, it gives a federal charge so the Fed can step
Achance (Diary) Wednesday, May 6th at 11:06AM EST (link)in if it doesn’t like what a state jury did, taking a page from the civil rights laws. I think it would be good to challenge federal authority on this sort of thing; they’ll want to try out their new toy as soon as they get batteries in it, so the first time they charge someone, we need a challenge to the federal jurisdiction over the state crime. This worked with the Texas guns in school zones case and we need to do it before BHO can “coordinate” the USSC with the Communists.
In Vino Veritas
No, people who support hate crimes
The_Gadfly (Diary) Wednesday, May 6th at 1:38PM EST (link)are only aware that ‘logic’ has some emotively positive connotation with most people and therefore ought to be included as part of an argument in favor of it. They are otherwise completely unaware of the definition of the word, and lack even a rudimentary understanding of the concept.
Here is what is silly
izoneguy (Diary) Wednesday, May 6th at 9:34AM EST (link)That a man like Alcee Hastings can be a representative of the “people” and get a forum for lunatic ravings after being impeached & convicted.
People like Hastings have no business being in our congress. Hastings would not be qualified to do much of anything in my book.
The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.
I haven't thought about Hastings statements
davidscott Wednesday, May 6th at 11:34AM EST (link)But I really like that the issue of pedophiles is front and center in a debate over a bill that is solely a pro-homosexual effort.
His Motives
dgulla Wednesday, May 6th at 11:44AM EST (link)We all know that this bill is just the start to something far worse. next, they will be pushing for laws against “hate” speech. Then they will interpret “hate” speech as anything critical of the chosen one in the White House. Slowly, we will lose our God given right to dissent.
Well, the big problem
Warrior (Diary) Wednesday, May 6th at 11:47AM EST (link)with passing laws which create “protected classes” is that they effectively result in the creation of “unprotected classes.” In other words, the price to kill me is far cheaper than the price to kill you. Such a mentality is incongruous with equal protection under the law, the 14th Amendment, I believe.
We really need to go back to using the Constitution as it was intended. And not as simply an obstacle to overcome or an excuse to re-interpret in order to bring about extra-legislative (and usually liberal) and otherwise unconstitutional ends.
“Racial criteria are irrational, irrelevant, [and] odious to our way of life.” — Thurgood Marshall for the NAACP Legal Defense Fund in the 1950 Supreme Court case of McLaurin v. Oklahoma