These guys represent the overwhelming popular cultural momentum we are up against.

Thanks for helping me better understand the irrational leftist. It’s an unending task, because reason is nowhere to be found. But this snapshot is telling.

Democrats are unpatriotic OR they vote for those who are. It’s undeniable.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-stein26-2008dec26,0,5178459.column

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-stein26-2008dec26,0,5178459.column

Obama is the perfect embodiment of his era. The radical leftists are striving for something, but they can never tell you exactly what it is that they want, except the destruction of the right. How we ever got to such a clueless state in this nation is anyone’s guess.

You nailed it!! It makes me sick to think that people actually think like that.
An observation: The wife has children and that is what makes her want things to be better than what she knew. Ponytail boy is still an ignorant, shallow adolescent.

Ponytail doesn’t love his wife; he uses her. He takes advantage of all the good things he gets from her, and runs her down behind her back. I’d be willing to bet he doesn’t contribute much at home.

When I’m not at this site, I spend quite a bit of time on a marriage discussion forum. The sponsor of that site, a marriage counselor, characterizes everybody in a relationship as either a Buyer, a Renter, or a Freeloader. A Freeloader does what feels good and hangs around as long as things are comfortable. A Renter is willing to put in some effort as long as the return is worth it. Renters often get angry when the other party doesn’t provide the expected return. A Buyer is committed to find solutions that work for both parties.

The Left appeals to Freeloaders. It offers a free ride. Vote for us – we’ll take care of you.

It makes sense to me that moderates would be the Renters. They swish back and forth between the two parties, depending on who sounds better this year.

Hmm. I need to look at that book again, and see what he says about encouraging Renters to become Buyers.

This is a terrific illustration of that. By valuing the superficial (color diversity vs intellectual diversity) they can feel superior because thiers is a ‘tangible diversity. Liberals assume a ‘superior’ moral position by not ‘forcing’ a woman to have a baby (as a consequence of free choice) rather than the true morally superior position of defending the ultimate of innocents.

Liberals are the perfect peasants, just make it look good and they will follow. I give you Hollywood.

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….generation that could not and would not have fought WWII to its globe altering conclusion. Say good bye to the global super power United States, say hello to the bannana republic United States.
Freedom is not free. These punks think the world is their oyster, put there for their picking.

….founded under the premise of “One Nation under God” Since that moment, we have managed to turn our back on that premise and banned God from the public square, defacto outlawed Christianity and publicly encouraged and welcomed the worshippers of foreign deities into the public square.
If the Bible be a literal translation of the history of the Jewish Tribes, what is our fate?
Each time the tribes of Israel turned their face away and their back to their Hebrew God’s commands, a conqueror was sent, and the Hebrew People were lead off to captivity in a foreign land, The Assyrians, The Babylonians, The Persians.
If the Divine Being does indeed exist, what is our fate?
Barack Hussein Obama? We’re having a party!

Thanks for putting this down. Liberals do not love the US as it is. They love the US of their fantasy.

Funny how you mentioned FOX news… during the campaign the Obama supporters I worked with hated FOX with a passion, but yet would under no circumstance turn it on to check it out.. Almost a sick loyalty or something..They would repeat all the talking points about the news station but absolutely clueless about the fair and balanced thing. They would regularly call for their demise. Definitely clueless individuals thats for sure. The main thing I noticed about these voters was their ability to follow in lock step what they were told.. It is important to note also that these same people did not hate Bush (because they don’t understand anything) until the media and democratic party started on the brainwashing about Bush and Cheney.

The husband here want to shape his wife into his own image, because only when she reflects his image can he really fell happy – because then he’s really adoring himself.

It’s fantasy, because despite all his efforts, his wife will never measure up to the idealized image of what he wants her to be. And thus he will never be fulfilled and he will either turn on her in anger or redouble his efforts and become more controlling (abuse).

It’s selfish because what he is saying is what he values in her is only what she can do for him (i.e. he must be a hot lover if he can nail someone who’s good looking and really sexy). Meanwhile, he has no respect for who she is as a person, only what he can get out of the deal.

Obama exemplifies this, and liberals are just following in his path.

Live next door to woman who work at local college, heard a conversation last year as they sat on the porch and pondered my American flag on 4th of July….

“guess they think the patriotism will waft over to us”

Couldn’t believe the incredible anti-American rhetoric coming out of two who worked in an academic institution and taught our young people. One is a teacher – - the other one of the many ‘assistant deans’.

Afraid this is not uncommon….. this is supposed to represent “intellect’????

Drives much of what is going on today. I want it now, damn the consequences, damn the ramifications.

I want free health care.
I want to be free of guilt.
I want revenge.
I want
I want

The left is all about the ends justify the means for quick gratification. That is why they contradict themselves at every turn and every situation is “unique”.

Conservatism is a learned behavior based on real life experience, and even many of those still don’t get it. It is not being taught or promoted anywhere else. Conservatism is the best kept secret these days.

As most can easily see, particularly where the two mobies posted repeatedly above, we are trying to talk with people who have real deficiencies in education, particularly in history, philosophy, rhetoric, etc. It can be difficult, if not impossible, to make a dent in their self-generated, protective, delusional shell. They just cannot take any disagreement to their views, as they think that people that disagree with them are sub-humans, not relevent, and not to be listened to… I think the most you can do is to try to get them to see the utter one-sidedness (is that a word?) of their views and arguments, and shove them along the path to thinking more critically about what they say and believe in.

I think, unfortunately, that we are reaping the benefits of the ineffectiveness of the public education system, particularly since the mid-’80s through the present. Kids are just not taught how to think critically, and do not have the overall general educational background (history, literature, science, etc.) to marshall a coherent argument, much less to support an honest critique of their views. It’s really sad, in a way… and very unfortunate for the rest of us, as these are the people that will soon be running the country…

Lay off the video games.

I’m a 30 year old with one kid and another on the way…
But still get together with friends for some Halo.

Never.

really having a lot of fun here and I’m probably too late to join in – and probably shouldn’t, but I’m bored, so here goes….

Question: do secessionists love their country? How many of these folks do you think are planning also to secede from their marriage? Hmmm….

When my children were very young they knew an important truth. No matter how badly your family behaves, no matter how much you do not like what they have done, even if others view it as wrong in the worst way there is one ‘rule of family’ by which they must abide.
“If you can not stand with them NEVER stand against them.”
I understand Americans hesitate to stand with America all the time as people have different opinions at to right and wrong. That should not mean that just because they choose not to stand with America they automatically oppose and condemn it. That world “Apologies R US” tour the current president recently embarked on was shameful as is the behaviour of those spoken of in this article.
I get that they do not agree with all that has passed in the last few years but in my family that behaviour is considered a betrayal. It is possible to oppose another view without trashing them in the alternative.
I fly my national flag proudly at the same time knowing my country is not perfect. I sing my national anthem knowing there are events in the past of which we can not be proud. I attend ANZAC Day ceremonies in gratitude for those that died for my freedom knowing all in war is not just. I support my Prime Minister knowing he is taking my country down a path to ruin. I cannot always stand with my country but I will never stand against it.
God bless America and Australia.

edward didn’t get gacked very quickly, so I just cleaned up a bit.

The author here is quite vague about what American values and principles the strawman liberals in his story don’t like. I’m a liberal who’s been married for over 30 years, raised two great kids, believe in God, and been a productive hard-working American for a long time. This liberal doesn’t think waving the flag or chanting “USA, USA” makes one patriotic. I don’t think finding fault with the actions of the people who’ve run the country and the military make one unpatriotic. If no one ever found fault with some aspects of America we’d still have the same laws, limited set of Amendments to the Constitution, and serious limits on the rights of large segments of our citizenry. We might even be still aiding Saddam Hussain.

You can love your country either blindly and rarely if ever blame it for any wrongdoing. Or you can love your country but know it’s as imperfect as the people who run it and not accept the faults and mistakes and bad actors that do harm to some. Conservatives are certainly finding plenty of fault with the current federal government.

Taking the extreme comments and actions by a few to paint a broad brush demonizing liberals is what I object to. It avoids meaningful debate with those who would self-describe as liberal/progressive. I suppose it’s easier to make a political opponent as evil and immoral as possible so one can close your mind to what they have to say. The extreme left does this as well. We could waste a lot of time by my doing the same broad-brushing of the right extreme which would get us nowhere in terms of any meaningful debate. Believe it or not, my brief self-description is not an anomoly among those to the left-of-center politically and among Obama voters.

The main criticism in this article/story is that liberals don’t really love this country because they are vocal about issues. As I said in my previous post. “If no one ever found fault with some aspects of America we’d still have the same laws, limited set of Amendments to the Constitution, and serious limits on the rights of large segments of our citizenry. We might even be still aiding Saddam Hussain”. Striving for change when the leaders and agents of the government are not living up to the country’s ideals is consistent with loving your country.

Just curious as I’ve asked this before on other conservative blogs but it’s hard to get a straight answer. What percentage of the population do you think are liberals and of them what percentage fit the author’s and your description ? (ie. want to “devalue marriage and family”, “view children as “punishment”, “mock both God and those who believe. “, etc.)

You seem hopelessly hung up on party affiliation. I thought this article and blog were about Liberals alledgedly being incapable of really loving their country with the purported evidence being that they want to change it. You point to some excesses and unintended consequences as though they cancel out the positives and prove that the changes they came from should not have been made (throw out the baby with the bathwater, huh?). You say “Progress on everything you list can be traced back to the principles that created this country “. But unfortunately when the country was founded it really didn’t live up to those principles for everyone did it? Thankfully the founding fathers allowed for change and thankfully many worked for change with great sacrifice.

Southern Democrats who opposed civil rights and desegregation were not liberals. Sure civil responsibilities come with rights and many don’t own up to theirs but don’t include liberals like me and most I know among them. Do you object to those who previously did not have equal rights now having them?

So we’re in the business of liberation? Where, when and how? Does that mean through world-policing and military intervention or through diplomacy? When do you think we should invade Darfur and North Korea – haven’t the people there suffered enough? How was our intervention in the Iran-Iraq war liberating?

(I’m trying to guage exactly how many people you think you are railing against. 80% of all self-described liberals? 80% of all Democratic voters? Nowhere near as many fit the profile you depict as you claim but you seem to want to pointlessly paint all to the left as unpatriotic, unprincipled, and socialist. The ego of the right is to think only they can be true Americans.)

My last statement was unfair so to refine it: The ego of some on the right, especially the far right, is to think only they can be true Americans.

First, you agree with my point:
“You say “Progress on everything you list can be traced back to the principles that created this country “. But unfortunately when the country was founded it really didn’t live up to those principles for everyone did it? Thankfully the founding fathers allowed for change…”

Exactly. That is why I think it is so important to seek change the way the founders intended. The liberal way to affect change is through executive order, an activist judiciary or through regulations of one worthless Departmen of Whatever or another.

“So we’re in the business of liberation? Where, when and how?”

If we were to ask a liberal, the answer would be nowhere, at no time, and no how. Right? Even when our troops have been committed to the field, even with the votes of liberals in congress, your side cannot even support the decision they themselves were part of.

I will believe you love America when you take to college campuses and protest the suppression of speech by conservatives. I will believe you are intellectually honest when you take to the streets against Obama keeping the troops in Iraq and increasing troop levels in Afghanistan like you did when George W. Bush was in office. I will believe you love America when you join conservatives in protesting the massive debt Barack Obama and Democrats are piling on our children and grandchildren. And I will believe you love America when you have the courage to speak out against countries with REAL human rights violations instead of running America down from the comfort of your suburban home with its manicured lawn.

Let me say it again, and I will be clear. If you are a socialist, you do not love America. Period. When taking into consideration the leaders and policies liberals support these days, the burden of proof in terms of your patriotism rests with you – not me.

that person who is Conservative in their 30′s and has a BRAIN! the husband is an idiot and will be without a wife fairly soon. It is extremely hard to be married to someone whose political leanings are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.