The criminal regime of North Korea takes a step toward becoming even more dangerous by proving that it now has advanced rocket capabilities and here is what team Obama says about it:
“The launch by the North Koreans is seen as a provocative act and will prompt the United States to take appropriate steps to let North Korea know that it cannot threaten the safety and security of (other) countries with impunity,” State Department spokesman Fred Lash told reporters in a conference call.
After his love letter to Iran not long ago, now we get this from The One…. “STOP it or we will say STOP it again!”
The world is getting more dangerous every day and this fool is touring the world on vacation while it happens.
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We're not going to let them get away with it
bk (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 5:06AM EST (link)A stern letter to the UN is probably on its way already. That’ll teach ‘em.
Common WTH, it's FRECKLENESS (no pun intended) not fecklessness.
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 5:20AM EST (link)Obama is putting the whole country in danger.
THIS PRESIDENT IS DANGEROUS.
But I will talk to great Europe and ask for advise.
antisocial (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 6:22AM EST (link)I will pay my due respects. In the process I will plead guilt for all this war mongering from the far right.
I will post a video taped message to all North Koreans with a few sentences in Korean. That will cause the citizenry to rise in revolt against their government.
I will request China to help me pass a resolution in UN. Never mind there are already sanctions. Will still make me feel good.
Hillary will keep talking about consequences. So will I. I know we can’t do much…. still I need to appear to be doing something…
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The Emperor has no clothes!!!
Exactly, praveen.
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 7:02AM EST (link)You’ve just put the overall strategy of the Campaigner in layman’s terms.
And the Campaigner’s overall agenda is so frightening.
Not really
10ksnooker (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 7:26AM EST (link)It’s his clumsy Fascism that is really dangerous. Like all of these dictator types, they are arrogant assholes who really have nothing without power.
What job did Obama ever have that he actually earned.
Fair's fair
fisk2521 Sunday, April 5th at 7:19AM EST (link)What continues to shock me is how there are a number of liberal Americans who actually think that we have no right to object to North Korea having the capability of launching nuclear weapons. They claim that because we used two nuclear weapons to end world Wor II, “fair’s fair!!!”
Amazing is it not. I think sometimes they teach this bs at our own universities.
LDavis
They do teach this "bs" at our own universities,
Achance (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 8:31AM EST (link)though not always in so many words. Every History text I’ve seen since my daughter was in HS in the ’80s was negative about US use of nuclear weapons to end WWII. My daughter and my stepson’s college History classes were thoroughly negative towards all American military actions. I went to the U here for some independent study classes doing research for a History project of my own and the professors were uniformly very left wing and anti-American. Throw in the non-judgemental stuff and the moral equivalency that permeates everything in the educational system to mix with the anti-Americanism, and you can easily understand why a majority of Americans would vote for an open communist whose only platform is change.
In Vino Veritas
History is written by the winners, or in this case, those who 'won' the battle to get hired.
Alberta (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 3:37PM EST (link)The leftwingers who teach it are also the folks who write it.
I think a good skeptic should examine coincidence, and I dont think it was one that History decided not to turn Europe into a battlefield again since we got those suns-in-a-can.
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Often, yes in so many words
aesthete (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 6:18PM EST (link)As an example, I heard the following as a thesis statement from a professor at a U of A-sponsored roundtable discussion on the recent Gaza conflict: namely, that the Israeli campaign in Gaza was “a war against children”. All I could say negatively against the teacher relative to my other prof.s in my Lit, English, and History courses is that she’s less tactful about it than they are. And we wonder why young adults are so thoroughly in the left’s pocket.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
The demented little troll that runs N. Korea...
Steve Maley (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 9:09AM EST (link)…if that’s who these people think we are morally equivalent to … oh, my God, a scary thought indeed.
You don’t even have to look very hard to be deeply troubled by the regime that runs North Korea. The guy kidnaps for sport. He starves his own people so he can have one of the largest standing armies in the world. He has parlayed (or at least tried to) dangerous saber-rattling into legitimacy on the world stage.
He needs to be squashed like a bug.
What’s really scary is that there’s even a debate about it.
The blogger formerly known as ‘Vladimir’.
Good for Bush
Section9 Sunday, April 5th at 7:28AM EST (link)Why attack either Iran or North Korea? He had enough on his plate. Let the Democrats accept the full political consequences of their pacifism. There was absolutely no political consensus to take action against either country, especially after Iraq.
Now, the Democrats have to deal with the reality of their rhetoric.
Surprise!!!
“History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it”-Winston Churchill
You don't
Warner Todd Huston (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 8:15AM EST (link)You don’t have to “attack” a country to have beneficial and safe foreign policy over it. Bush sure didn’t attack North Korea, but his NK policy was HORRIBLE.
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And it was cut from precisely the same mold
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 12:26PM EST (link)as his Iranian policy.
Let’s be honest, as soon as GWB started waffling on his original definition of the “Bush Doctrine” his foreign policy – and by extension his national security policy – went to hell in a handcart.
I remember the night W said those words "Axis of Evil"
janis (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 12:32PM EST (link)and how stunned I was to actually hear someone state it so clearly, so starkly. It made me smile in hopes that we had turned some corner and that we had a course charted before us.
Then it all just went to hell.
We have to remember why, though
Jack_Savage (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 1:22PM EST (link)I think W was blindsided by the fact Democrats so viciously and vocally opposed and undercut him on a military action that they themselves voted to approve. This handcuffed him in his attempts to deal with other rogue nations – simple as that.
North Korea AND Iran need to be placed entirely at the feet of Democrats. Now they will have to struggle in the foul mess they have made.
Makes me wonder, Jack, if the journolist thing
janis (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 1:34PM EST (link)was ongoing at that point. The viciousness was immediate and widespread and used the same talking points. Wish we had known about this kind of thing then as we might have been able to defuse some of it by pointing it out when we had the power.
Sorry Jack, don't buy it.
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 5:24PM EST (link)The Dems didn’t handcuff GWB, he never even tried to make his case, he never fought back, hell, he even agreed with their lies about the “16 Words”.
Bottom line, GWB was an utter political gutless wimp. And, we have him to thank for Obama.
Now, now, becker, McCain deserves a heaping helping of that, too.
janis (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 5:34PM EST (link)Credit where credit is due after all.
Right on spot, janis. nt
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 5:38PM EST (link)I see your point
Jack_Savage (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 6:03PM EST (link)Had there been some fight from W, the loony left could have been kept in check instead of being allowed to re-write history and take control of the debate. I just think that W put too much stock in the basic humanity and pro-American nature of these people, and that was a grave, grave miscalculation.
At any rate, regardless of how he arrived at that point, there was no policial will from either side for further action.
My point is that even if Bush allowed it, the Dems made their bed. Now they must lie in it.
I have no qualms with the "their bed..." argument.
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 6:27PM EST (link)My only point, repeated ad nauseaum
, is that we let them build the bed, gave them the money for mattress and helped them put it in our bedroom.
I absolutely disagree about the political will on the part of the Ds. They’ve never run out of it. See the reinstatement of the welfare state in the latest round of legislation. With respect to their actions on the war, they didn’t give a damn about “stopping” it, they just wanted it for a political club. They used it that way for 3+ years and continue to use it. Hell, they’re still beating us with “Vietnam”.
Let me revise and resubmit then
Jack_Savage (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 6:49PM EST (link)And state that I agree to a certain extent about what we let them do, but I think it was more of inviting them to dinner as an act of good faith, then standing by aghast as they looted the place, took up residence then complained about the living conditions. It was not unilateral – it took an enormous amount of bad faith on the part of the Democrats, coupled with an abdication of PR responsibility on the part of W.
The Democrats painted themselves way, way too far in a corner in the last few years, however, and cannnot possibly attempt to use any kind of military force to resolve any conflict in the world. Our enemies know this if they know anything. The club they used to beat us with is coming right back at them, as it always does when bad faith and anti-American attitudes are involved.
"The club they used to beat us with is coming right back at them..."
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 6:58PM EST (link)It is? I guess I missed that.
But we know that everything is America's fault
civil truth (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 10:01AM EST (link)So we just have to be more understanding of the North Korean leadership and give them an extra helping of ice cream for dessert.
Obama is exercising the well-known formula for rearing delinquent teens and an early demise of the parents.
But this should be no surprise – we elected a man as president who truly believes that our way of life is oppressing the world and unust and that we need to atone by creating a socialist dictatorship in which enlightened leaders like himself can bring salvation – and crush all opponents under his boot heels.
Any allusions to Scripture are stricitly coincidental – NOT.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
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Sometime in the next 4 years a lot of Americans are going to die
Tbone (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 10:10AM EST (link)as the direct result of this idiot we elected. It may be enough to wake up the Country but I doubt it.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
Much of that depends on
izoneguy (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 10:15AM EST (link)if it is Obama voters who are killed. If a bunch of conservatives die I doubt much will be done.
The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.
It will be Obama scum.
Tbone (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 3:22PM EST (link)It is they who are concentrated in the urban centers. You don’t really think someone is going to blow up Valencia, CA on purpose?
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
What's the alternative?
Jay_Cee Sunday, April 5th at 12:10PM EST (link)What is a good foreign policy for N. Korea? I’ve always been under the impression that they are a kind of a hopeless situation.
1) They’re already economically/socially isolated so sanctions don’t really work (they seem to get what they need off black market transactions)
2) Their leadership doesn’t care about starving their people.
3) They could turn Seoul into smoldering rubble in ~10 minutes so their aren’t any good military options.
4) Their leadership is genuinely nuts. (See hatchet incident of 1976)
If there are good options beyond empty rhetoric with N. Korea I’d love to hear them.
For starters we should have taken out the
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 12:24PM EST (link)missile from a Navy anti-missile ship.
Second, we should cut off all “humanitarian” aid. Let them starve down to the very last North Korean.
Third, we should let them know – publicly and loudly – that we are targeting absolutely every square inch of North Korea with nuclear weapons and if they even hint that they are going to attack the South or any other country we will make their portion of the peninsula radioactive with a PREEMPTIVE strike.
But that's not nice at all 'becker! nt
Achance (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 12:50PM EST (link)In Vino Veritas
No, and we couldn't have the starving NoKos
janis (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 12:57PM EST (link)starving even harder, could we? They’d best mind their P’s and Q’s lest the Zero send them a note or two.
Heh.
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 12:57PM EST (link)Well, today’s NYT saves the day, and on the front page!
Doncha feel better now! I do.
1. Rules are binding. (So, apparently are BO shorts).
2. Violations must be punished.
3. Words must mean something.
My favorite is #3. Words must mean “something”. Gee. “Something”.
"Violations must be punished." That's a laugh riot right there.
janis (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 1:03PM EST (link)Maybe he thinks Lil Kim is like some sort of CEO that he can fire and then he can unionize the NoKo army, offer them all kinds of benefits and Voila! problem solved.
I like this plan
red4ever (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 1:50PM EST (link)Let the new N. Korean dictator deal with a unionized army. Umm, sorry, we don’t fight weekends without overtime pay. We must have safety equipment for all our weapons. Oh, and no fighting anyone who shoots back, our union members might get hurt. Plus, dealing with the new power elite. Hehehehehehehehe
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You left out the part about how the NoKo army
janis (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 2:00PM EST (link)members can’t do that weird march thing they do anymore. Leads to knee problems, hip problems, and stress fractures of their feet. And don’t even get me started on the new requirements for their uniforms…
They really are starving though
mom2oneson (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 2:36PM EST (link)this isn’t just democrats making it up like they do here in the US to get some stupid law passed. The malnutrition runs people’s resistance down and there are high ratess of TB there and a shortgage of medicine there to treat it.
I don’t know enough about giving the government aid but we should support the private charities that provide food and TB medicine, even if it is a drop in the bucket. They have had so much dought and flooding and China’s aid was cut a few years ago that is a bad combination.
Don't give them so much as one grain of rice.
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 5:20PM EST (link)The NoKos have a long history with “aid”. Somehow it magically gets redirected from their “malnourished population” to feed the Army. Same with Africa.
Let them starve to death. Send in hazmat teams and burn the bodies.
missile from a Navy anti-missile ship.
Paul_In_Houston Sunday, April 5th at 12:52PM EST (link)I’m bitterly disappointed that the Japanese did not just go for it and try to shoot it out of the sky from one of their Aegis-equipped destroyers.
I’ll always wonder if we applied desperate pressure on them to NOT try it, to avoid embarrassing a man who is bound and determined to kill any ability WE have to intercept these missiles.
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Not to split hairs here
Danielle Davis (ocleverone) (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 12:56PM EST (link)But March 17th of this year, NK rejected humanitarian food aid from the US and ejected aid workers.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
Good for them.
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 12:59PM EST (link)I sincerely hope the entire northern part of the peninsula starves and/or freezes to death. It’s the most humanitarian outcome for the rest of the world.
When NK rejected the food aid, I saw it as an ominous sign
Danielle Davis (ocleverone) (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 1:13PM EST (link)that they were up to something.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
It would feel good to say those things
icbm (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 1:03PM EST (link)(apart from starving their innocent population, which is already dying in the hundreds of thousands or millions from starvation) but it would not be effective.
You don’t want to threaten the use of nuclear weapons lightly, and threatening to destroy the entire country, with or without nuclear weapons, would be more likey just to alarm the South Koreans and Chinese (and Japan, too) without taming Kim Jung-Il.
Jay Cee is right. There are few, if any, good options, and Charles Krauthammer has said as much, too.
The best solution is to get China to stop propping up North Korea, but they have no real interest in stopping for many reasons. At the same time, China also doesn’t want a nuclear armed South Korea or nuclear armed Japan.
Perhaps it would be possible to persuade China to help engineer a coup to overthrow Jung-Il. But even that’s probably too much to hope for.
I thought China's aid was reduced in 06? nt
mom2oneson (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 2:37PM EST (link)possibly, but it sure isn't eliminated
icbm (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 6:41PM EST (link)and without chinese support, north korea would collapse and millions of refugees would begin streaming into china (hence one of the many reasons china doesn’t want north korea to collapse).
possibly, but it sure isn't eliminated
icbm (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 6:41PM EST (link)and without chinese support, north korea would collapse and millions of refugees would begin streaming into china (hence one of the many reasons china doesn’t want north korea to collapse).
Actually, wrong on all counts.
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 2:45PM EST (link)1. I don’t give a tinkers dam about anybody living in North Korea. Man, woman, child, cat, dog, rat. I have absolutely no problem with the idea that every last one of them starves to death or freezes.
2. I do not take the use of nuclear weapons lightly, nor do I take the use of conventional weapons lightly. However, again, I would have no problem authorizing the preemptive use of nukes on North Korea based on their actions. I don’t give a rats tuche about the opinion of the South Koreans the Japanese or the Chinese.
3. If you think the Chinese are going to deal with the NoKos in a way that will modify their behavior, you’re drinking too much.
4. There are good options for dealing with them. All of those options pretty much require the death of about everybody in NoKo. Which, frankly, I find a much better alternative that the death of on person anywhere else on the planet. (With the possible exception of Europe, where the fools actually believe they can negotiate with them.
mbecker
mom2oneson (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 2:58PM EST (link)I don’t understand why don’t you care about the North Koreans? For your point 4 why does N Koreans staying alive mean other people will die? The people hardest hit by malnutrition and lack of hygiene like water and medicine are never the ones making decisions. I don’t understand your points 1 and 4.
Because mom2oneson...
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 5:18PM EST (link)I am sick and tired of feeding the world while they tolerate their dictators. I honestly don’t give a toot about the “poor” in NoKo or in Africa. Quite frankly, if they all die off maybe somebody will move in and make productive use of the space.
As far as 1 & 4 goes, the wacko that runs NoKo can’t be stopped conventionally without huge cost in at least SoKo and probably Japan. Add to that the high probability that virtually every member of the US military stationed in SoKo is at significant risk with anything that looks like a conventional response and you’ve got exactly one military option, nukes. If I had to choose between one dead US soldier, sailor or Marine and millions of dead NoKos, it’s an easy choice. And I’d sleep well.
do you know the history of north korea?
icbm (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 6:27PM EST (link)i ask because it seems that you think that the north koreans “tolerate” their tyrant, i.e., they actually have a choice in the matter.
but the north koreans, unlike just about every other people living under tyranny, have almost no power whatsoever to change their government. it is the most extreme – and most successful (stalin would be proud) – version of totalitarianism yet practiced.
and not to care about the cruel death of millions of innocents – yes, innocents, upon whom communism was imposed by the soviets and kim il-sung and who were then massacred, starved, and brainwashed into submission, and who live in conditions that are downright primitive – cannot be the correct stance.
Yes, I am familiar with their history.
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 6:55PM EST (link)I just don’t care.
The NoKos WILL, at some point, either will launch an attack that will slaughter innocents in SoKo, Japan, the US military or somewhere else in the world. Or they will provide the weapons to someone else to do it.
We cannot launch a conventional attack on them, they have hardened artillery bunkers zeroed on SoKo targets and the capability to rain several hundred thousand rounds on those targets in a very few minutes. All of those folk are “innocents”. They can easily hit Japan and Okinawa with missiles. All “innocents”, including the US Marine Corps installation on Oki – 31st MEU – and the US Air Force base.
Bottom line, we’re faced with two choices. Do nothing or make a preemptive strike. Either option will result in the deaths of “innocents”. My preference is dead NoKos. What’s your choice?
You’ve already admitted that NoKo is a Stalinist paradise and “the people” have absolutely no ability to reign in the fearless leader. So, are you willing to live with the probability of a large number of dead SoKos, Japanese and US military? I’d sleep like a baby if I signed off on a strike on NoKo.
are you saying we should make a pre-emptive strike now?
icbm (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 7:21PM EST (link)we don’t disagree in principle, for the most part. i also prefer to destroy all of north korea, if that is necessary, to seeing our allies or even our own citizens destroyed in large number (although we do seem to disagree about the significance of killing many millions of innocents).
our biggest disagreement appears to be about when such a step is justified. obviously, north korea is very, very dangerous in many ways – to the south koreans, to our troops in south korea, and to many other peoples and allies (since it likes to share nuclear technology with countries like syria).
i don’t see that a pre-emptive nuclear strike is called for at this moment, however.
Today, probably not.
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 7:53PM EST (link)But I don’t have access to any classified information on NoKo.
I absolutely would NOT wait until they launched a first strike however, I would preemptively make them glow. What I would do is make it very clear through every available channel that we know what they’re doing (even if we aren’t sure) and that if they continue to mess with us we won’t ask permission from the UN or the EU. And I would convey the same message to both the UN and the EU, basically putting them on notice that this one ain’t “business as usual” and that either the NoKos give up their military expansion and give us unfettered inspection access – as in the US, not the UN or some amorphous agency – they’re all gonna be toast.
yeah, i'm with ya
icbm (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 8:14PM EST (link)so long as we communicate it through non-public channels
i think the tripwire might come in the middle east, actually, when syria or another country tries to use a nuclear device supplied wholly or partly by north korea. let’s just hope that the device doesn’t work properly.
(of course, by “tripwire,” i mean tripwire for a president who actually wants and knows how to protect america, not our current president.)
thank you for explaining
mom2oneson (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 7:33PM EST (link)I have never understood aid to Africa. I hate it that we pay for medicine for sexually transmitted diseases for them. Apart from the government dictators they have such high rates of out of wedlock births too. The media always shows women and children waiting around for food but sometimes I think where are their spouses and the men that should be providing for them. If a large group of the population is like that something is definately wrong. It’s not just a vulnerable group that is falling through the cracks that needs help.
That is awful about North Korea. I am glad I’m not a decision maker, that is so heart breaking that either way a group of peope will end up losing their life because of their government.
The only heartbreak will come if even one
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 7:57PM EST (link)person is killed by the NoKos. I am unable to find any heartbreak in the death of the NoKo regime and all of their people.
Is it too bad? Yeah. Kinda. I suppose. Do I care? Nope. And, am I serious? As a heart attack.
I feel sorry for the countless trapped there...
JLenardDetroit (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 8:08PM EST (link)something must be done to disrupt that government to a significant degree that would afford them the opportunity/chance to rise up… short of that, or if the regime as a dying gasp lashes out to destroy others as they fall every and any method MUST be used to prevent the devastation – even if it results in the horrendous deaths of so many otherwise innocent (only sin being the accident of their having been born in NoKo). I appreciate your honest discussion of this, as it is certainly not PC – we are supposed to toe the line that Warfare these days can somehow be civilized, neat, clean, minimized-damage (and we should try for that as best possible), etc…
We are NOT doing enough in Afghanistan to DESTROY the enemy either!!!! And the Poppy fields should all be continually burned with the current version of Napalm!!!!
Why would/should NoKo fear us!?!? We set such pathetic examples of how we do (rather, do NOT) respond to Enemies!
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mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 8:18PM EST (link)those fought with a “total war” philosophy. I’ve written on this before – probably RS 1.0 – but the bottom line is that the proximate cause of WWII, and the subsequent deaths of 50+MM people, was the negotiated end of WWI. Vietnam brought us the deaths of about 6MM in SE Asia. Desert Storm gave us OIF, and arguably Afghanistan and 911.
The Germans made war on everybody they could find (fortunately, it was usually the Russians and the French) and Japanese ruled Asia and butchered anybody they pleased for 7,000 years. Dresdin, Berlin, Tokyo, Hiroshima and Nagasaki later, we haven’t heard a peep from either the Germans or the Japanese for about 70 years.
Hopefully, OIF will end well. I would be more confident had we operated in a mode where, when those contractors were hung burning from that bridge in Fallujah, the commanders would have reduced the city to rubble over the next 48 hours. We’ll see.
so you are saying
mom2oneson (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 8:24PM EST (link)we should be more aggressive during the war and that would result in fewer deaths?
In the long run, yes.
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 8:39PM EST (link)The bottom line is really simple. Tyrants understand only one thing. Being totally, utterly destroyed. Everything else is weakness for them to exploit. Fools think tyrants negotiate in “good faith”, when in fact all they’re doing is buying time to rearm.
Had France stood up to Germany when they went into Austria (Hitler’s excuse was that both the Germans and the Austrians spoke a common language…) Germany would have collapsed. They didn’t have the arms or the training yet to really “do” war.
More examples… Hamas, Hezbollah, etal.
My basic philosophy on national security and making war is pretty simple. I will do about anything to avoid committing men-at-arms to war. But if I do, we’re killing everything in the general area of combat. See my comments on Fallujah.
what is the reason
mom2oneson (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 8:26PM EST (link)the military doesn’t do that now?
Political edicts
JLenardDetroit (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 8:31PM EST (link)even 41 at end of Gulf, Highway of Death — fleaing or fighting is NOT surrender, you target and kill them!
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Not even close.
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 8:42PM EST (link)Combat units have JAG officers. JAG is involved in signing off on military operations and they are quick to arrest and threaten to prosecute members of the military – see Haditha. I would use the JAG corps to clear mine fields and find snipers.
The problem is the media. They will either use brutal footage that undermines the will to fight at home (Vietnam) or will print any accusation of “war crimes” tossed to them by our enemies.
response
icbm (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 6:36PM EST (link)1. i responded to this in my post below
2. glad to hear you’re not being light. i don’t have a problem with using nuclear weapons pre-emptively, either, under the right conditions. i do care, however, about how a position we take will affect our allies and our enemies. the question is not whether their feelings will be hurt. the question is whether the position we take will effectively further our interests. my view is that your proposed public announcement would only make things worse all around. anyway, if you’re going to use nuclear weapons pre-emptively, it’s better not to announce in advance what your limits are – at least not publicly.
3. no, i don’t think the chinese will do much, at least not without a major threat from us. unfortunately, we’re just not in a position to make any serious threat against china right now – economic or military. we might have been in 2001 and 2002. not anymore. the only good card we have left is giving nuclear weapons to japan and south korea – and it may be worth playing that one.
4. so, in sum, apart from what i said directly above, there are no good options. making north korea radioactive creates such a host of problems for us both short-term and long-term that it cannot be considered except in the most extreme circumstances.
"Feckless" is most commonly defined
Paul_In_Houston Sunday, April 5th at 12:57PM EST (link)as “irresponsible” in most dictionaries, but I’ve seen it used in context suggesting “disloyal” and “untrustworthy (as in “sell you out in a heartbeat if convenient”).
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In the context of Obama, it's all those things. nt
janis (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 1:04PM EST (link).
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icbm (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 6:37PM EST (link)n/t
Doubtless the North Koreans
johnt Sunday, April 5th at 1:26PM EST (link)are shaking in their boots, perhaps having unplanned bowel movements, and preparing to grovel before the new Colossus of the West, the Giant that stands astride the nations of the world, the Big O Himself. Boy, the liberals sure knew what they were doing when they handed this gift to us.
May we have a chorus of “we hope he succeeds”.
“a man’s admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him”. Tocqueville
Options are limited
red4ever (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 2:07PM EST (link)We probably did ask Japan to not shoot down their missile. But, I doubt we can do it either. Stars Wars has not worked well in even staged tests. But, we don’t want the world to know it. So, no threatening to shoot down the missile or letting anyone else do it.
I am not a fan of letting the North Koreans starve. It is not like they had a choice (unlike the Americans who volunatarily chose the Boob in Chief) in their leader. The average North Korean is too busy starving to politically agitate. Punishing them for acts taken by an unelected leader is not right.
I honestly had a friend suggest in a law school public policy class that we should just ship women, cars and caviar to the guy in exchange for his promise to end the nuclear program. My friend really did not get why this was not a good idea. It was not getting through that crazy guy would not just stop but would continue his extortion attempts to our detriment.
Short of taking out Kim Il Jong directly, I don’t know what the optins are. And if we take him out, who takes over? there is no nascent democracy movement just waiting for its chance (see, starving people mentioned above).
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we may be trying to aid a coup attempt
icbm (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 6:39PM EST (link)although my guess is that we have extremely limited contact with anyone inside north korea
but if a coup were successful, then just about anyone who is mostly sane would be better than jung il, even if the new ruler were not democratically-minded.
we may be trying to aid a coup attempt
icbm (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 6:39PM EST (link)although my guess is that we have extremely limited contact with anyone inside north korea
but if a coup were successful, then just about anyone who is mostly sane would be better than jung il, even if the new ruler were not democratically-minded.
That would be a really bright spot in any day!
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 8:00PM EST (link)However, you correctly noted above that NoKo is a Stalinist Paradise and I’m guessing the probability of a coup is about the same as me voting for McCain for Senate in ’10.
we might have been trying to aid a coup attempt
izoneguy (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 8:22PM EST (link)when Bush was president.
I am pretty sure Obama has posters of Kim Il Jong next
to his Castro & Che posters. Obama won’t do a damn thing
but spout off a few words so it looks like he cares.
Maybe he will send Kim Il Jong a letter and invite
him to the WHite House for a chat.
Even if Kim Il Jong nuked San Fran while Pelosi was
there I doubt Obama would do anything. Actually Obama
may be paying Kim Il Jong to target Alaska & Palin.
The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.
I think Billy and Franklin Graham have been there.
mom2oneson (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 7:49PM EST (link)He has a charity that works in N Korea, they give food and meds to some hosptials and nursing homes. They have helped the hosptials build greenhouses. Other charities have been able to give food through them.
His wife’s grandfather was a missionary in Korea and she was born in China, her dad was a physician there. She was in North Korea part of the time growing up but it wasn’t North Korea then.
Excellent article on Franklin Graham and NoKo
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 8:03PM EST (link)is here.
I love Franklin Graham and his ministry. We disagree on NoKo.
thank you
mom2oneson (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 8:35PM EST (link)That was a good article. Those linked articles were interesting too, especially the one about China deporting N Korea refugees.
Video contrast on North Korea - Now and in 2006
izoneguy (Diary) Sunday, April 5th at 8:27PM EST (link)Obama talks the talk but will NEVER walk the walk
John Bolton in 2006
The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.
Consequences?
aj5443 Monday, April 6th at 2:19AM EST (link)Did anyone notice that Obama talked today about UN mandates that had consequences and are not just empty threats? I could have sworn that was the legal reasoning behind invading Iraq? Will anyone ever point that out to him? Probably not…no one in the media has any man parts.
The problem with common sense is that it is not.