How do we Work With ‘Palestinians’ That Punish Little Girls for Playing Music?


Little Palestinian girls punished by government for playing music for the wrong sort of people.

We are sonorously told to respect the “Palestinians,” that their “government” is one we must work with to solve the ages old conflicts of the Middle East. We are also told by those advocating realpolitik between the west and the Muslim world that their system based on Islam is just as good as anyone else’s, just as we are so often assured that all governments deserve equal consideration merely because they exist.

But, when things like what happened to the members of a girl’s youth orchestra based in the Palestinian camp of Jenin occur, well it’s awfully hard to feel that the Palestinian government is “just like us.” In fact, it’s pretty hard to think that it is anything but inhuman.

Oh, it’s not as bad as these young girl’s deaths at the hands of the Palestinian government might be, certainly. It’s much simpler than that. It’s a matter of the PA lacking even the smallest form of common human decency. You see, last week this youth orchestra played a little concert. It so happened that in the audience of this little concert were some Israeli Holocaust survivors. But once the girls got home and the Palestinian Authority found out these Muslim girls happened to play a concert at which a few elderly Jews attended, why the PA immediately disbanded the orchestra and told its conductor that she was no longer allowed to make music ever again.

These Muslim hatemngers cannot even stomach an inconsequential little concert put on by their own children if those dirty Jews happened to hear their strains. Worse, instead of just quietly attempting to make sure that their children’s orchestras don’t violate their precious hatred of Jews in the future, in knee-jerk fashion they took away one of the few things that made these young girl’s lives bearable and forbade them to play their music, shuttering their practice hall, and ostracizing their teacher.

Who can doubt that this poor teacher should fear for her life after his?

These presumably responsible figures in the Palestinian government have shown that they don’t have the common decency even to allow these little girls to play some nice music without punishing them for having the wrong sort of audience. One report even has it that neither the girls nor the audience were aware that some were Muslim and others Holocaust survivors.

It was just a flippin’ concert! A little kid’s concert, yet.

Islam as intertwined with a system of government is as capricious a system as can be imagined. It really is just that simple. Women are routinely treated as worse than chattel, neighboring countries are automatically assumed to be arch enemies — and treated as such — human rights are non-existent, there is no sense of addressing problems within the society… well, there is little reason for recommending Islam as a basis for government. It is as anti-human as can be imagined. Even communism is better, and that system is one of the most murderous systems ever devised by the mind of man.

But, darn it all, they really are “just like us, ” aren’t they?

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Movies are made of such stories.

Crowe (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 6:32AM EST (link)

About 20 years from now some of these girls will have escaped from the oppression and gone on to play their music in a free land–perhaps even the US, if liberty manages to survive the next decade in any recognizable form. And their harrowing story of suffering and struggle for the love of beautiful music, music that elevated their spirits above the hate and misery that rules their homeland, will be compelling stuff…

Of course, that would require a brave filmmaker who did not fear the backlash from violently “peaceful” quarters…

“We sleep soundly in our beds only because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence upon those who would do us harm Dear Leader Obama gives us leave to do so.”

 

Meanwhile at Boston College...

bk (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 6:36AM EST (link)

They “disinvited” William Ayers due to safety concerns — maybe they feared he’d blow something up. But people can still attend Israeli Apartheid Week, which spans two weeks and whose purpose is to “oppose several of Israel’s political actions and to show solidarity with the Palestinian people”. It’s needed because “while the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has perpetually remained a topic of media and political attention, some argue that not all facets of the issue have been recognized or addressed.” Maybe they can have the “consensus” dude from NYU as a special guest.

oops - 'safety concerns' and 'Israeli...Week' are the two links

bk (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 6:39AM EST (link)

Not sure what I did to the part in between – sorry about that.

 
 

This is a perversion of Islam - this is Islam mixed with an age-old hatred that predates it.

Martin Knight (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 6:50AM EST (link)

Speaking as a Muslim, and after many talks with many people more knowledgeable than I, I was advised to use logic.

Islam allows marriage between the people of the book, i.e. Muslims, Christians and Jews. And the command to love one’s wife, deny her nothing and honor highly her parents and her extended family and community has no religious restriction.

The burden Islam places on Muslims as to the treatment of neighbors and other members of the community also has no religious restriction. Your Hindu and Jewish neighbor to your left is to be treated no different from your Muslim neighbor to your right, and the latter is to be treated with every kindness and consideration – therefore so is the former.

Arabs are unfortunately horrifically tribally minded people – that hasn’t changed unfortunately. They have this saying; “I and my neighbor against a stranger, I and my cousin against my neighbor, I and my brother against my cousin, etc.” If you think the Hatfields and McCoys knew how to bear grudges, you haven’t come across feuds between Arab tribes.

That’s the root of what’s behind the entire Middle East “crisis”. A feud – that had long been in existence before Islam, before Christianity.

that isn't true

mom2oneson (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 8:04AM EST (link)

Shi’ite Muslims do not allow marriage between Muslims and Christians or Jews.

shi'ite's aren't everyone

omar Monday, March 30th at 10:48AM EST (link)

It’s just like if I said christian’s are all ok with polygamy because mormons are.

If you said

mom2oneson (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 11:13AM EST (link)

FLDS practice polygamy now you would correct. There isn’t a country in the Western world that is mostly FLDS either, it’s more like several smal towns.
There is a big country in the middle east that is Shi’ite.

 
 
 

Islam also allows for childhood marriages

mom2oneson (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 8:22AM EST (link)

Girls that haven’t hit puberty are forced into having relations with their adult husbands. I’m sure many Muslims abhor the practice but the religion allows for it.

The “love one’s wife” isn’t the same as we think of love and sacrifice in Western culture.

Christianity says nothing about prepubescent girls either.

Martin Knight (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 11:49AM EST (link)

Your information sources are a bit bent to say the least.

That we can marry People of the Book is in the Qur’an. Where the Shi’ites get that we can’t – if indeed they do – that’s their issue.

She is always past puberty in the Bible

mom2oneson (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 12:05PM EST (link)

Even in the explicit references to relations, like in Ezekial, she is past puberty.

If you want to leave out Shi’ites then even for Sunni Muslims it is only for men to marry people of other faiths.

Why are you saying my sources are bent? I haven’t written anything inaccurate.

And the Qur'an mentions/approves of prepubescent sex where?

Martin Knight (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 4:33AM EST (link)

If your argument is that the Qur’an encourages sex with prepubescent girls because it does not explicitly condemn it, then I will point out that the Bible does not explicitly condemn it either.

Be consistent.

PS: A strict reading of the Bible prohibits marriage between Christians and non-Christians in case you didn’t know.

marriage

mom2oneson (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 12:01PM EST (link)

Sura 65:1 when it talks about the 3 cycle waiting period for divorce. It gives instructions for menapousal, prebuscent, and pregnant women that obviously do not menstruate.

It is known that Aisha was nine when Mohammed had relations with her and that has set the standard for many Islamic cultures as the age of marriage.

What does your P.S. have to do with this? I never said Christians were permitted to marry non-Christians. In the Old Testament though when they invaded some lands at times they were allowed to take the slave women as wives.

 
 
 
 
 

Well, gee....if they have a "saying", who are we to judge?...NT

USNJIMRET (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 4:07PM EST (link)

You're obviously not getting me.

Martin Knight (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 4:46AM EST (link)

I’m saying that this hatred is not so much Islam – which while strongly commanding forgiveness and mercy also instructs Muslims to fight oppression (with very very stringent rules against harming innocents, women and children) – but an unhealthy mixing of Islam with the sicker parts of Arab culture.

Add in the fact that Arabs and Jews have been at each others’ throats for thousands of years (well before Jesus i.e. Isa and Muhammad [SAW]) and you have a significantly different story.

And to think I believed all of the stories about

JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 8:56AM EST (link)

those highly tolerant and advanced Arab societies that were subject to Western agression during the Crusades [sarcasm off].

Seriously though, pre-Islam, there were significant Jewish communities in what is modern day Saudi Arabia and Syria. So those ancient hatreds are not quite as strong as the more “modern” incarnations.

Where there fewer Jews practicing Judaism openly on the Arabian peninsula before Muhammed’s teachings or after?

The people who commit all sorts of attrocities in the name of Islam always seem to cite specific texts to justify their actions. The people who try to assuade non-Muslims about the peaceful nature of Islam seem far less likely to be specific in terms of theological texts. As a Roman Catholic I can tell you that most Catholics really don’t understand the tenants of Catholicism. Thus, the practice of a religion does not necessarily mirror the teachings of a religion.

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

The Arabs were too busy fighting each other ...

Martin Knight (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 11:05AM EST (link)

Famously, a guest of a member of a particular tribe at the time plucked a date from a tree belonging to the other without knowing it – apparently he didn’t know he’s crossed a border in the communal orchard.

The blood feud as a result lasted 70 years.

I don't doubt that what you say is true, but you didn't address my point

JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, March 31st at 11:23PM EST (link)

Anti-semitism got worse under Islam, not better. Not many Jews living on the Arabian penninsula any more, are there?

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

I don't think that has anything much to do with Islam ...

Martin Knight (Diary) Wednesday, April 1st at 6:12AM EST (link)

The religion united Arabs, that much is true, which, considering their tribal and territorial natures was certainly a miracle.

Add that unity to old hatreds and … well, what happened, happened. And besides, not that this excuses anything, it’s not exactly true that Christian societies have been uniformly kind to the Jews, is it?

Islam enjoins justice towards all peoples – that a lot of Muslim societies have failed to live up to that ideal is not Islam’s fault anymore than Torquemada’s madness can be blamed on Christianity or Catholicism.

Remember that Salahuddeen (i.e. Saladin) invited the Jews back into Jerusalem, not as vassals or slaves, but full citizens of his empire. A number of his closest advisers were Jews and Christians and he tolerated no discrimination or mistreatment of either group.

But then we should remember that he was a Kurd.

Again, my central point is not responded to

JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, April 1st at 5:50PM EST (link)

Pre-Islam, there are Jewish communities in the Arab penninsula such as Medina.

Post-founding of Islam, the Arabian penninsula is religiously cleansed.

Islam Arabia was a lot less hospitable to Jews than pre-Islam Arabia.

We agree that Arab culture has its problems, but what about the incremental impact of Islam on Arab culture?

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

So there is no valid concept of "dhimmi"?

JSobieski (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 7:47AM EST (link)

Does not the Koran have provisions within it requiring that “People of the Book” be “subdued” by Muslims? 9:29 does not describe religious “tolerance” in any recognizable way. Not denying that the Old Testament doesn’t have ugly stuff in it, those provisions are not open ended invocations to violence, and I don’t hear about alot of people invoking Deuteronomy in attacking Hittites.

I don’t think it is correct to deny the role of fundamentalist theology on this topic, and the roots (perverted or not) that are found in well established scriptures. It appears to me that the violent Jihad types make all sorts of very specific citations in justifying their behavior, while the peaceful outstanding citizen folks such as yourself won’t cite the Koran, Hadith, or Sunnah in taking on the troublemakers.

I have a lot of respect for Muslims like Dr. Zuhdi Jasser because he acknowledges that the religious texts of Islam do contain troubling passages from the standpoint of westernized government. Addressing the specific language to confront those who are perverting Islam is far more helpful to us infidels (and presumably to the perverters themselves) than summarily dismissing any criticism.

CAIR issues similarly dismissals and we know that CAIR is NOT concerned about the security of this country. The OIC does similar things at the UN, and we know that the OIC is NOT concerned about Western-style individual rights.

We need to see more Muslims like you out there, and less of groups like CAIR. However, I think you are whitewashing things in a way that is not helpful. I realize that this places an unfair burden on you and others, but fairness is unfortunately not for this world.

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

 

the AP story

RJD (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 9:37AM EST (link)

Reading through that AP story, there are some alarming issues, both with the article, and with the parties involved.

Graph 8:

Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians either fled or were expelled from their homes in the war that followed Israel’s creation – an event known by Palestinians as their Naqba, or catastrophe.

The AP doesn’t go into further detail, which makes the graph seem to state that Israel started a war against the Palestinians, instead of being attacked by a coalition of Arab nations.

Graph 15:

The event, held at the Holocaust Survivors Center in the central Israeli town, was part of Good Deeds Day, an annual event run by an organization connected to billionaire Shari Arison, Israel’s richest woman.

Seems really late in the story to reveal this information.

Final graph:

And the youths had no idea they were performing for people who lived through Nazi genocide – or even what the Holocaust was.

This isn’t surprising, but is very sad and should concern us all.

 

I am appalled like everybody else...

david farrar (Diary) Monday, March 30th at 9:50PM EST (link)

…by the actions of the parents of these Palestinian children. But I am even more appalled by the action of their educator.

These children were placed in this school, presumably with their parents’ consent. These parents, rightly or wrongly, trusted this educator to reflect their values and believed these were the same values the educator believed in and would respect those beliefs and pass them on to their children. When this was no longer the case, the educator should not have decided to play god and usurp the parents’ trust. If the educator thought it was the right thing to do, s/he should have gotten the children’s’ parents permission. If not, it was wrong of the educator to do what s/he did.

ex animo
davidfarrar

So how's your pro-Obama People's Party coming along?

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Blam for mobying.

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