Teen Suicide Brings Wrong Call for Regulation


No one wants to see a beautiful 18-year-old girl commit suicide. No one wants to make any worse the pain that surviving family members feel. No one wants to make light of the situation that causes a child or young person to chose suicide, either. But high emotion makes for bad laws and this is no exception.

Last year, Jessica Logan imagined that she was sending a nude cell-phone photo of herself only to her new boyfriend. But he was not as circumspect as she might have hoped passing the salacious picture to his friends, and they to theirs, until it surged through some seven Cincinnati high schools.

It wasn’t long before Jessica was the butt of jokes and the target of epithets like “slut” and “porn queen.” The ribbing shook her so hard that she hanged herself in her bedroom last July.

And now, parents Albert and Cynthia Logan want new laws passed to somehow stop “sexting” of nude or half nude photos from one teen’s cell-phone to another. Unfortunately, such laws are just a bad idea. They will do nothing to stop the low-born practice while only piling more strangling regulations on the business community as well as giving government and police officials even more intrusive powers into our individual lives.

There is nothing wrong with trying to convince kids that emailing nude photos of themselves is not a good idea, of course, and the Logan’s are undertaking that effort. But the there-ought-to-be-a-law mentality is not effective here, as it isn’t in most cases on such emotional issues.

Absurdly, the Logans are agitating to place more onus on schools for stopping this new age problem of “cyberbullying” and “sexting.”

“Schools need to understand our kids are targeting each other and how technology is being used as a weapon,” Aftab said. “None of them (the schools) know what to do. Many of them … think it’s not their problem. They want to close their eyes and put fingers in their ears, saying it’s a home issue.”

Sorry, parents, but if your children are sending nude cell-phone photos of themselves to each other, the solution is not to force schools to get involved. The solution is to take away the darn cell-phone!

Sadly, what we have here is not a lack of laws, but a crass culture.

A national study by the National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy revealed that 1 in 5 teen girls or 22 percent say they have electronically sent or posted nude or semi-nude images online of themselves.

Salacious attitudes are instilled in kids by raunchy entertainment, coarse advertising and the non-chalant attitude of parents to these influences. It needs to be pointed out that this sad suicide was precipitated in the first place by the girl sending the nude photo to a boyfriend she only had been dating for two months. Sadly, this young girl was not instilled with an attitude of propriety in her behavior. Just as sadly, she is not alone. Too many of our children never seem to be told what behavior is unacceptable in our country today.

There is a reason, though, that this poor child was so hard hit by the taunting she was confronted with. We lack a sense of shame in our culture and when it hits it is like a ton of bricks that many don’t quite understand. Young Jessica suddenly found herself with a bad reputation, deserved or no, because of her own actions.

“I watched her get kicked out of maybe three or four parties over the summer just for having ‘a reputation,’ ” said Steven Arnett, a friend of hers who graduated last year from Moeller High School.

This is a sad, sad object lesson for other kids imagining there are no consequences for sending salacious photos of themselves all across the Internet. There ARE consequences to your actions. This must be learned by our youth but it is a lesson that is missing from society today.

Unfortunately, just the wrong sort of lesson is being promulgated by teachers, lawmakers and these parents with this incident.

“It is a form of bullying, and that is something we cannot tolerate. The difficulty is stopping it. … That’s why we stress with our kids that the moment you push ‘send,’ the damage is done.” (said Sycamore Superintendent Adrienne James)

All the onus put on “the bullying” and none put on the person that sent the nude photo to begin with is simply not a complete lesson. The better lesson is to focus equally on both the sender and the bullies, not just the bullies.

The wrap up is typical of the wrong headed emphasis we too often place on the situations that confront us in our modern society.

Albert and Cynthia Logan have gone public with Jessie’s story, hoping to change vague state laws that don’t hold anyone accountable for sexting. They also want to warn kids about what can happen when nude cell-phone photos are shared.

“We want a bill passed,” Cynthia Logan said.

“It’s a national epidemic. Nobody is doing anything – no schools, no police officers, no adults, no attorneys, no one.”

It isn’t the laws that are the problem. Its the overindulgence of kid’s “self esteem,” a complete lack of moral instruction, a coarsening of our society, and a corresponding assumption by too many parents that everyone else should be responsible for their own children’s behavior.

Again, it is horrendous that this beautiful young woman took her own life over this embarrassment. But it is the lack of imagining that actions have consequences, that embarrassment is a result, that reputations can be destroyed with casual actions little thought out, that all too often is a lesson learned too late.

It isn’t only the Logan’s fault. There is little doubt that they loved their daughter. But this incident is indicative of some major errors in our society that needs to be fixed. If it isn’t, these heart-wrenching incidents will grow until the total breakdown of society is complete and no “law” will stop it.


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While I certainly sympathize with their pain,

c17wife (Diary) Tuesday, March 24th at 6:30AM EST (link)

the bottom line is they are resposible for her actions. She was their child. It was their responisibilty to foster her self-esteem and give her the moral courage to know that such actions have grave consequences. Schools can not be held responsible for raising and monitoring our kids 24/7. That is our job as parents.

Funny, I read an article a couple of weeks ago about how parents shouldn’t “snoop” in kids text logs, e-mails, diaries, etc… Whatever.
Both of my girls have Facebook and both of them are part of my network and vice versa. While we do have some different friends, they approve no one without my permission and they know that any given minute, I may log onto their page and have a look around. Same with e-mail. They know what I might find will be held in confidence unless someone is going to be harmed from it and we have a very open relationship. And…even though they struggle with the same types of issues as other kids, their self-esteem is pretty good, despite the horrible job the school does of affirming them. My husband and I affirm them as does our church and our sphere of influence.

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Sorry, Hilliary, it does not take a village to raise a child.

Praying (Diary) Tuesday, March 24th at 7:37AM EST (link)

It takes a parent, or preferably, a set of parents (Mom and Dad), who are willing to ACT like parents and teach their children. We expect our schools – our government run, indoctrinational schools – to do far too much. Too many parents think that as long as they provide some semblance of food and lodging, the kids can raise themselves and they will be OK. This is NOT the case.

I told my kids they could register for FaceBook ONLY if I had access to their pages. They are now 17 and 19 years old. I check regularly to make sure there is nothing inappropriate posted, and it’s also a great way to see my college son’s new friends, put names with faces, and generally know who my kids are spending their time with. We can’t be our kids “best friend” – that is disastrous, but we should feel comfortable being actively involved in their lives, sharing our values, our principles, and our morals with our children. Frankly, I do not WANT the school to be teaching these things to my kids – the values of the educational system are not necessarily my values!

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I agree, but...

kdoc Tuesday, March 24th at 6:34AM EST (link)

there’s also the problem that existing laws dealing with this generally fall in the “child pornography” area. So if a 15-year-old girl sends a nude picture of herself to her 17-year-old boyfriend, he is now a possessor of child porn, and subject to all those penalties, including lifetime social banishment (can’t live near a school, etc.). As a result, I believe people (parents, teachers, police) are reluctant to bring any charges at all, because it doesn’t really fit the description of “kiddie porn.”

I think there should be some other category of law which would still treat this as a crime, but not on the child porn level. That might encourage it to be dealt with more consistently.

Um...

Warner Todd Huston (Diary) Tuesday, March 24th at 8:41AM EST (link)

I find your point a bit less than convincing. Do you really imagine there are parents out there that aren’t doing something about their kids “sexting” because they are so aware of pornography laws?? No one is even aware of what PARKING laws are, much less the criminal laws on porn!

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Kdoc is right

scottbomb (Diary) Tuesday, March 24th at 8:47AM EST (link)

The parents may not be so worried about it but the kids should be. It’s the age-old law of unintended consequences. Just ask the 18 year old who’s banished from society as a “child predator” because he happened to get caught with his younger teenage girlfriend. Common sense is brushed aside in the wake of hysteria.

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There was a case in Georgia like this

Finrod (Diary) Tuesday, March 24th at 10:18AM EST (link)

In this case, a 17-year-old was receiving from his 15-year-old girlfriend what Bill got from Monica, and he ran afoul of the child molestation laws for many years afterwards. (Age of consent in Georgia is 16.)

Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?

Remeber the rule

Lammo (Diary) Tuesday, March 24th at 11:20AM EST (link)

16 may be sweet but 15 will get you 20 (these days 20 to life).

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Remember that is.

Lammo (Diary) Tuesday, March 24th at 11:21AM EST (link)

n/t

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The kids are only vaguely aware of this stuff

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, March 24th at 11:07AM EST (link)

in my experience. There’s an old saw that if you have a boy, you worry about one boy in the neighborhood and if you have a girl, you worry about ALL boys in the neighborhood. These days, if you have boys, you’d best worry about ALL girls in the neighborhood. It is amazing how sexually agressive many even very young girls are. Even back in the Dark Ages before sex was discovered when I was a kid, we had some notion of being leery of “jailbait.” I found with my boys and their friends that notion hadn’t taken hold very well; if she would, they would, and often she would even if she was only thirteen or fourteen.

I had some tough talks with my oldest who seemed determined that he was going to have sex with every living, breathing female before he graduated from High School. Had some unpleasant conversations with parents that start out along the lines of, “Do you know how old my daughter is?” Had lots of unpleasant conversations with him about whether or not he really wanted the State to give him his own website (Alaska posts all convicted sex offenders on a heavily trafficked website.) I don’t know that I ever got through to him, though he did seem to get more careful about being found out.

I did learn one thing from my travails with the boys that i’ll share with those of you with girls. You know how your darling, virginal daughter leaves the house for school in the morning wearing that baggy hoodie and those sloppy torn jeans and just looking awful, so awful that you’re confident no boy would notice her. I’ll betch dollars to doughnuts she’s got a pair of decent by a quater inch hip huggers with her thong showing under those torn Carharts and a skin tight crop top under the hoodie. Her heels are in the backpack where you think she has has books and her belly button ring, makeup, and other accoutrement are in that little handbag.

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Sad, but teens will find a way around it

maddog (Diary) Tuesday, March 24th at 6:43AM EST (link)

My prayers are with the fmaily. Terrible loss. However, a law on texting won’t stop the behavior. All they have to do is use a digital camera and send the JPG file as an attachment in email or printing it our on film. The law accomplishes little. C17wife has it right. The parents should foster self-esteem and moral courage.

 

A tragic story, but you're right

pithnvinegar Tuesday, March 24th at 6:59AM EST (link)

on so many points.

Parents need to teach their kids from an early age that actions have lasting consequences.

Remember the guy in AZ a couple of years ago, college honor student that shows up on a Girls Gone Wild-like DVD? Booted from university, all of it down the tubes over one stupid night. Girls getting pregnant at 14, setting off a cycle of welfare dependency that could last generations.

Communicate your values to your kids. Not just the what, but the why. What are the guiding principles that help you determine where the lines are drawn? Otherwise, the lines will change based on how you feel at the time.

If your kid really has to have a cell phone, get one without a camera.

 

Sorry Mom, Dad, rest of the family ,but.....

USNJIMRET (Diary) Tuesday, March 24th at 8:18AM EST (link)

At some point in time YOU failed as parents.
And YOU know it.
Placing all the blame on the “Cyber bully” boyfriend is projecting, plain and simple.
Was the boyfriend wrong?
Of course he was.As would be anyone who did the same kind of thing.
But the ‘original sin’ was clearly the taking and sending into the great ether world the photo of/by the young lady.
Without =>that<= act, all the rest could NOT have followed.
And some where along the line, the parents FAILED to teach their daughter that putting herself into a potentially dangerous situation is well…..dangerous.
Also, does anyone believe that this young lady never did anything else that might lead to some of the ‘names’ she was called?
Not saying she was the school pass around girl, but if in only two months of a relationship, she felt it was OK to send a nude photo of herself to her boyfriend, then I (Father of three girls) find it difficult to believe she was pure and virginal otherwise. Maybe she was, and this was truly a one time, first time error in judgment.
And, if so, a tragic and sad thing.
But NOT a reason, not EVER a reason, to write law that affects everyone.
High emotion results, every time, in bad law.
Case in point?
This story and the AIG 90% tax on contractually obligated compensation.

 

I agree with you in principle about the parents' role,

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, March 24th at 8:34AM EST (link)

but I’ve seen way too many caring, responsible parents lose the battle with their kids. I suppose you can limit the societal influences if you home school, don’t have a TV or other access to pop culture, and confine their socialization to chosen neighbors and fellow church members – for awhile. On the other hand, from the first time a TV comes on in their life and, especially, from the first time they set foot in a public school, parents and parental control are under assault. In the guise of education about avoiding or reporting abuse, children are indoctrinated to expect violence from their parents and to trust the school and the state more than their parents. Sex education is at best value neutral but in reality I believe encourages children to experiment – a certain amount of ignorance and the fear that usually accompanies ignorance is often a good thing.

We can be critical of those parents and I agree with you that they are seeking the wrong remedy, but by the mid-teens there are real limits on what control you have over a kid’s actions and if you push that control too far, they simply run away and there’s little you can do to get them back, especially if they’re 16 or older. In many states, they can run away, refuse to go home, go on welfare, and the state hits you up for child support while your daughter gets passed around or your son lays around in a drugged haze.

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Exactly

Warner Todd Huston (Diary) Tuesday, March 24th at 8:39AM EST (link)

This is exactly why I am NOT blaming the parents alone. This is a societal problem, not just bad parenting alone.

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It may not be bad parenting at all.

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, March 24th at 8:54AM EST (link)

I’ve known more than a few parents who pretty much did it right, none of us do it all right, and lost with their kids – my parents included, at least for awhile. Those parents may have tried desperately with that girl and what you’re seeing now is their guilt over their failure.

I raised a teenaged daughter as a single father and more than once I was heavily flirted with and a couple of times overtly hit on by her friends. These were girls from “good” families that I know tried to teach their daughters better. I’ve watched as some of my subordinates and co-workers tried to keep daughters under some control and sons out of jail, and they weren’t always successful despite their best efforts.

My wife and I had the Devil’s own time with her kids and were only partially successful in keeping them out of trouble and notably unsuccessful in keeping them from doing stupid things. The school and the state are the ENEMY. The teachers teach them to disrespect parents, the social workers teach them to disrespect parents, the popular culture pounds disrespect for adults generally and parents especially into them. Fundamentally, whatever those stupid, abusive adults tell them not to do is what they want most to do. And, God, am I glad I’m more or less done with raising kids – these days you’re never really done; one could show up on your doorstep at any time.

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A you totally hit the nail on the head nt

mom2oneson (Diary) Tuesday, March 24th at 11:13AM EST (link)
 

OK, perhaps I failed in my point....

USNJIMRET (Diary) Tuesday, March 24th at 9:28AM EST (link)

And was entirely to harsh on the parents, to judgmental.
And the caveat regarding the ‘one time, first time’ wasn’t enough.
I know that my middle daughter lived, and to some extent (I think) continues to live, a life I would rather she did not.
However, I sleep well at night knowing that I did the best I could, accepting that she is not, and never was, a clean slate that only I had access to.
It doesn’t change the way I feel when things go badly for her, as they often have, and likely will continue.
She IS my daughter, and I want better for her then I had, or she has.
But I do NOT seek to blame anyone else, even though I realize there ARE others who also painted on the slate.
And I also do not demand that everyone else in the country, State, locality be subjected to the always present ‘unintended consequences’ of some law I think would solve my daughters ‘problems’.
I also don’t blame myself. Many of the things that she has done that I disapprove of, I tried to make sure she knew about, AND understood the potential consequences of.
But at some point in time, earlier in life with each generation it seems, the ‘child’ is allowed by society to make his/her own decisions. That the decision might or might not please the parent no longer matters. In fact, and EVERY parent knows this, sometimes the decision is made specifically to displease the parent!!
Still, the basic point is that which WTH made.
High emotion as the core motivation for a “law” is almost never a good idea.
And often as not, long term, the worst response.

Everyone get's to make their own life choices.

phxg (Diary) Tuesday, March 24th at 11:06AM EST (link)

What is so amazing about this case is that she did it with other people at home. That is a classic cry for help.

In suicides where the people wanted to be “found” they use less effective means like pills, poisons and wrist cutting. And those that want to succeed almost always do it in ways that will guarantee success; like being alone.

No, I agree with you that the parents have some responsibility in not taking a more active role. Come on, they should have pulled her from the school upon exhibiting some of those cries for help.

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This just shows how dangerous technology can be

franklinslocke Tuesday, March 24th at 8:35AM EST (link)

This tragedy just shows how fast technology is changing and how we are not keeping up with it. This is sad. But, as kids, we have Polaroid cameras and were tempted. The dumb one fell for it and could have been embarrassed. This is just larger and more dangerous.

We, as parents, need to be vigilant and teach our kids values, so they don’t make stupid mistakes likes this. The cell phone, the company, or schools did not take the picture and disseminate all over the Internet. The kids did. This is all about personal responsibility of the parents and the kids.

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Often, we do not find virtue when grieving

Marcus_Traianus (Diary) Tuesday, March 24th at 8:45AM EST (link)

First, God Bless them and their daughter. Such pain is unimaginable.

Although the Logan’s efforts are well intentioned, this tact will unfortunately do very little to address the more holistic problems. In fact, the overall affect will be to delay the rebuilding of our families and society that has been badly damaged by liberal religious attacks and statist tendencies.

I know absolutely zero about the Logan’s relationship with their daughter. However, the seemingly ubiquitous issue in my community is that parents are often ill informed or not very conversant in their childrens activities.

We all know that many kids are very good at covering up their “secrets’. However, when you can speak with them as parents and confidants the chances of producing a more responsible adolescent vastly improve.There should be nothing “off the table for conversation”- nothing. Childen want and need consistent boundaries and moal guidance.And while they may not always take it, there should also be consequences for any digressions.

Providing this guidance is part of being a parent. Kids don’t need another “friend”- that’s not a parent’s role. They also don’t need another nanny in the community, government or school. If they receive your love, guidance, care and discpline it will become more apparent those watchdogs are superfluous and uneccessary.

To seek in the law what is best provided by yourself as a parent only continues the misguided quest to find self-absolution. It steals our collective liberty and replaces it with communal moral standards and social mores grounded in ideals that have nothing to do with your personal ethics. This disconnect effectively make your children wards of the state and reliant on a system which is destined to fail because it does not have familial connection. In the end one loses control over their children because they have effectively ceded it to the state.

Love is a process of learning and understanding.It is not always realized that the actions of a parent are performed out of devotion.It is also not always mentioned- even as they grow to adults. But the solemn pride of a parent is your and yours alone, when in the future they grow into healthy, productive, self-reliant adults. This should be the cause we champion.

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Praying, did you even read what I wrote?

c17wife (Diary) Tuesday, March 24th at 8:47AM EST (link)

I am responsible for my kids, first and foremost.
And don’t call me Hillary. I look to no one to do the job of raising my kids. That is for me and my husband. I do make sure that our sphere of influence is one that affirms our beliefs and moral values, but we as parents are ultimately responsible.

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Ah...now there is the button.

c17wife (Diary) Tuesday, March 24th at 8:48AM EST (link)

FTR-I am not a fan of this new layout. It gives me grief everytime I get on here. :>p

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I don't think the Hillary comment was aimed at you.

Brian Hibbert (Diary) Tuesday, March 24th at 9:06AM EST (link)

I think Praying was agreeing with you and making a comment that Hillary was completely and totally WRONG about who should raise a kid.

But maybe Praying should clarify it.

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Teen suicide is more complicated than simple "It's his fault, no it's her fault" arguments.

Brian Hibbert (Diary) Tuesday, March 24th at 8:59AM EST (link)

Sometimes you can point to a specific sign and say “The parents missed this and should have known their child was suffering.” But chances are, in the same position you would have missed the same signs.

In other cases, to all outward appearance, the child appears normal with no issues. I had some friends who lost a daughter that way. A messy suicide after an argument with a boyfriend at school. The girl was bright and seemed happy. When the parents came home they found her in their room after she used a shotgun to end her life. Her parents have dealt with her death a number of ways including starting a foundation to educate to teens about suicide and give them options for help. They have an annual “walk” to raise money.
http://www.whitneyswalk.com/why.php

That said, there’s an old saying that tragic events lead to bad laws. The Logans seem to be projecting the blame for the loss of their child on the schools. I think we place too much on the schools now. We should let the schools teach our kids to read, write and do math and push the social development back to the parents. The more we push the responsibility to the schools, the worse the outcomes will be.

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I don't know that "we" place it on the schools.

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, March 24th at 9:16AM EST (link)

I view the schools as having completely usurped parents. I want the 3 Rs to be reading, ‘riting, and ‘rithmetic, not racism, reproduction, and recycling. The ed schools and the social services types have arrogated this role to the schools and constantly harp about how their problems are bad parents. My beleif is that more good parents should be harping about the bad influences of bad schools.

The fact that kids in the ghetto may not be getting parental support does not mean that the perverse kind of in loco parentis they have adopted is justified. It is ironic that the demographic that railed against in in loco parentis in the Sixties thinks it is just fine if the school is nothig more than a leftist indoctrination camp now.

And to the fundamental point of there being segments of society that don’t provide parental support, I ain’t really buying that either. I went to school in the dirt poor rural South in the waning days of Jim Crow and subsistence agriculture. Your farm animals weren’t safe with a lot of the kids I went to school with. If their parents were at all literate, the odds were pretty good that their grandparents weren’t. But there were desks in rows, kids in them, and you would, By God, say Yes, Mam and Yes, Sir. Public school was a rising tide that raised all boats. Yeah, we did have to spend one day in Georgia History class teaching people how to use all those different pieces of silverware and cloth napkins before we went on a trip to Savannah that included a lunch at what passed for a fancy restaurant – but we learned it and we behaved. Anymore, the only place anybody expects them to behave is at home and it isn’t unexpected that they learn to not like it very much at home when the expectations are higher there.

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By "we" I meant the current US society.

Brian Hibbert (Diary) Tuesday, March 24th at 9:22AM EST (link)

And you just explained what I meant much better than I. 8*)

As a society, it is a mistake to let the schools be a substitute parent.

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I don't disagree with any of your thoughts.

c17wife (Diary) Tuesday, March 24th at 9:35AM EST (link)

I just wish my kids wouldn’t get told to shut up in class. I just wish my kids wouldn’t hear other kids being chatized and told “your screwed” when showing concern about not being able to perform a task. I just wish my kids wouldn’t get screamed at by their senile science when their project is missing something my kid was TOLD not to include.

When kids get continually beat down by the teachers, that isn’t affirming.
I’m all for accountability, but there isn’t a need to belittle.

As for good parents missing it, it certainly happens. But 100 laws isn’t going to correct that. On that, we agree 100%.

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Tragic

tarheels23 Tuesday, March 24th at 9:42AM EST (link)

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I think technology gets too much of the blame. It’s easy to scapegoat “sexting,” but when I was in high school a girl committed suicide because her boyfriend broke up with her.

This stuff has been happening long before technology emerged on school campuses, although it does seem to have accelerated the process of growing up fast — and that’s not a good thing./

As a father of two girls, I’m very concerned about the environment they’re entering as they progress toward becoming young women. High school is several years away, but the thought of it is very frightening.

All any of us can do as parents is try to keep an open dialogue and hope our kids have the perspective to endure the inevitable embarrassments that accompany growing up.

I’m saddened by this young woman’s suicide, but creating new laws won’t address the issue, IMO.

Are you sure you're a liberal?

Brian Hibbert (Diary) Tuesday, March 24th at 10:05AM EST (link)

“creating new laws won’t address the issue,” isn’t the common response to a tragedy from your side. In fact it’s usually the opposite.

High school can be frightening to us parents (with good reason). Teach your children moral behavior and more important is teaching them WHY it’s important to behave morally and they’ll be fine in high school. But also keep track of their friends. Keep up on what is happening at the school and don’t be afraid to confront an idiot teacher who is only still in their job because of tenure (I’ve had a couple of them over 4 years, but most of the teachers are excellent).

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Ha!

tarheels23 Tuesday, March 24th at 10:55AM EST (link)

Check out the conservative talk radio thread from last night and you’ll see I’m a certifiable moonbat!

In general, I favor fewer laws with respect to families and more responsibility for parents. On the other hand, even the best parenting can produce tragic results.

One issue of being a single dad with two girls is how to handle the female self-esteem issues, especially for dealing with the feminine ideal. I already see traces of that taking hold of some of my older daughter’s friends, and that really scares me. Girls definitely aren’t wired like we are.

Do you have a sister or close female friend who can help?

Brian Hibbert (Diary) Tuesday, March 24th at 11:46AM EST (link)

Someone who can make themselves available to your daughters to talk with them? Or someone you trust who can act the role of “big sister” for them? If not, find someone who cares about YOUR daughters. If you attend a church, look there. Often the “church family” will have some good role models even if they aren’t considered cool by those who don’t attend.

Don’t leave this to the school counselors. While they are well intentioned, they often are either restrained by policy or too brainwashed by seminars to be really helpful. (This kind of reminds me of most liberal ideology, well intentioned, but leading to the wrong outcomes.)

And by ALL means talk with them about the so call reality shows on MTV and VH1 and show them that they don’t really portray reality (I’m dealing with this one with a 13 YO girl right now). It’s amazing how tough it is to convince a teen that MTV isn’t the role model and that Paris Hilton isn’t really better than anyone else and deserves the same justice as anyone else.

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He ain't the only lefty that opposes such bans

Reaper0Bot0 (formerly Han_Pritcher) (Diary) Tuesday, March 24th at 11:36AM EST (link)

I am absolutely staunch in my support of freedom of speech and my distrust of the government in regulating it one iota more than necessary.

Kids are kids. Raise ‘em as best you can, yes, but don’t pretend you can legislate around their nature.

Han, you're not an average liberal.

Brian Hibbert (Diary) Tuesday, March 24th at 12:19PM EST (link)

And I expect you’ll be a full blown conservative by the time you’re 30. You’ll fit Churchill’s comment perfectly.

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In a way it does take a village

red4ever (Diary) Tuesday, March 24th at 10:58AM EST (link)

Hear me out.

A village of committed parents who teach their kids right from wrong. A village of parents who are not so concerned with being “cool” and their kids’ best friend, they forget to parent. A village of parents who care about basic values. A village of parents who do not abdicate their responsibility to others. When I was a kid, if I misbehaved at a friend’s house, the parent there disciplined me, then I got it at home too.

Here, there are two sets of parents. Should the girl have not sent the nude picture? Yes. Should the parents of the boy it was sent to, have taught the boy to respect his girlfriend? Yes. Face it, if he had been taught to treat people with respect, he never would have shown the picture around.

Technology has nothing to do with it. She could have painted a nude picture of herself, used a non-digital camera, etc. There were so many ways this still could have occurred that new laws against certain forms of technology are NOT the answer. Being a parent, first, foremost and always, is.

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The rest of the "village" is teaching those kids

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, March 24th at 11:23AM EST (link)

exactly the opposite of what most parents would like them taught. The girl is being taught by the popular culture that she can only identify as a sexual object. The boy is being taught that they’re all b@#$hes and ho’s and are for making beds and messing them up. The music they listen to is INCREDIBLY misogynistic and that music and the culture is signifies is what informs a lot of kids’ sexual identity.

In Vino Veritas

Oh heck yes.

red4ever (Diary) Tuesday, March 24th at 11:42AM EST (link)

So, it is even harder on those in the “village” who try to teach morals to their kids.

The whole village has to understand that respect for everyone is important. It’s not about YOU getting respect — it’s about you respecting EVERYONE else.

This does not mean respecting the ideas of others that actually destroy the fabric of the village. It means being respectful of different points of view while striving to bring about changes in those views that improve not degrade others.

I am still working this through, but you can get where I am going. It is not government regulation, but basic freaking human decency accorded to each person.

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Sorry

MikeO Tuesday, March 24th at 12:19PM EST (link)

“It means being respectful of different points of view while striving to bring about changes in those views that improve not degrade others.”

Sorry, but I am afraid that western culture is so drunk on prosperity and has swung so far over the edge that these changes cannot be achieved without our first being visited by hardship great enough to make indecency intolerable and subject to reprisal.

TOTUS and his smash-and-grab looting of the treasury is going to bring us that hardship, but that still leaves us with the question of who decides what is decent and what is not.

Still working on the details

red4ever (Diary) Tuesday, March 24th at 4:59PM EST (link)

I don’t want a nanny state deciding right and wrong. I want respect for different views while clearly stating some things are definitely wrong (circulating naked pictures of a girl intended to be private, honor killings, forced marriage, domestic violence, etc.). Just not sure how to achieve that balance. And then how to get everyone on board with at least the basic idea.

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I'm Playing Devil's Advocate

MikeO Wednesday, March 25th at 7:52AM EST (link)

“. . . some things are definitely wrong (circulating naked pictures of a girl intended to be private, honor killings, forced marriage, domestic violence, etc.).”

You and I may agree on the items in this list, but there are plenty of our fellow citizens who consider themselves decent but are all right with at least one of these.

The progressives will continue to abuse bad equal-protection precedents to force society into a homogeneity that will accommodate their casual depravities. The only way back is going to be after the reset button is hit.

 
 
 
 

You have to create your own village

mom2oneson (Diary) Wednesday, March 25th at 10:54AM EST (link)

Parents have to find like minded people for their children to be around.

Red I agree with you, there were many places where this could have stopped, especially with the people that kept passing this around. Maybe the boyfriend was being stupid and didn’t intend harm but it was only out of being mean that someone else would pass something like that around. Even if it were true that she slept around the kids passing it around should have kept it to themselves.

I’m not blaming the parents but I think it’s important to watch children’s emotional attatchments too, they are not adults and can’t always deal with things that an adult can deal with easily. Prevention is ideal but if they are in the world you can’t stop it. Sometimes you have to drop everything and deal with it later just to be with your kid when you see something isn’t right to try and figure out what is going on and then to help them.

 
 
 

A Little Too Far

LAWizard (Diary) Tuesday, March 24th at 11:23AM EST (link)

In condemning the girl. Asserting that “The better lesson is to focus equally on both the sender and the bullies, not just the bullies” sounds a lot like “A woman who’s raped was asking for by dressin’ so slutty and acting like she wanted it.” Anyone would expect private photos to remain private. The boyfriend breached her trust then the kids were way too immature in their reaction it.

You’re right as far as the law is concerned. It’s a bad idea.

Not at all

Warner Todd Huston (Diary) Tuesday, March 24th at 7:10PM EST (link)

Your analogy is ridiculous. Women don’t ASK to be raped. No if this girl’s nude photo was stolen from her and sent around without her knowledge, then your analogy might make sense. But she SENT IT HERSELF. In that case your analogy falls apart. If she sent it to ONE person, SHE is the one that broadcast it. It was HER fault that it got out. Yes the boy is guilty, to. But he could not have sent it himself if SHE had not sent it first.

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I think the parents want to do something

mom2oneson (Diary) Tuesday, March 24th at 11:38AM EST (link)

I think this is a normal response of anyone that is experiencing a trauma like this, they just want something to be done.
I don’t agree with what they are doing but I think we should call it what it is, traumatized people trying to get some type of action taken, they are going through a mental hell 24/7 dealing with this. Maybe someone could help do something else like joining the volunteers at a psych hosptial or doing an out reach for the signs of severe depression in teens or some cause their daughter loved if it was animals or something.

Agree more or less...BUT

Warner Todd Huston (Diary) Tuesday, March 24th at 11:11PM EST (link)

..but I don’t agree that they have a right to impose their mental hell on all of us.

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I agree

mom2oneson (Diary) Wednesday, March 25th at 10:26AM EST (link)

Someone needs to deal with them with where *they* are at though and that is when their dd died. They want to do something to stop it. If we tell them how bad this policy is they won’t even hear it, to them it would have saved their dd and that is where they are. The goal should be to first get them to 3/25/09. I wasn’t critcizing your diary at all I just think we have to have to take special consideration because I don’t think any criticism of what they are trying to do will even be understood by them.