Here’s Another Reason Why the Illinois GOP is Useless…


Before I get to the problem of the Illinois Republican Party, a question: how do we get our government officials in the U.S.A.? Answer: we elect them. Now, you may be wondering why I begin here with something so simple, something we all take as a given? Let me answer that…

We DON’T elect them in Illinois. At least where it concerns selection of our Republican state central committeemen, anyway. It’s shocking, I know, but in the Illinois Republican Party, the voters have NO SAY WHATEVER in who takes a seat on the state central committee for the Ill GOP.

In Illinois, even the corrupt Democrat Party elects their central committeemen by rank and file voters. But not the Republicans. In the Illinois GOP the folks that guide our entire party establishment are afforded their seat by the selection of local precinct committeemen only, not by the votes of rank and file Illinois Republicans. The people have no direct say. None.

The selection process has been like this since the 1980s when the Illinois GOP pushed through an elimination of the primary system for electing state central committeemen. This change was pushed through without the input of the voters, too. (The Democrats, for their part, never abandoned electing its state central committeemen) It was merely decreed by the Illinois GOP and thus it became fact.

Now, many outside of Illinois have wondered for years just how it was that Ambassador Alan Keyes — who didn’t live in Illinois — so suddenly became the Illinois candidate for the Senate against Barack Obama in 2004? Well, the reason this quixotic choice was made was because the state central committee made the selection behind closed doors, without the input of the voters, for that matter without even the knowledge of the local committeemen. The unelected central committee met in secret, chose Alan Keyes and thus he became the candidate without the knowledge or input of Illinois voters. Then, once he emerged as the candidate, some members of the very committee that secretly chose him publicly came out and said they did not support Alan Keyes for Senate, undermining his campaign from the very start.

No wonder Barack Obama so easily won his Senate seat in 2004.

Now, in practice, this secret selection of central committeemen has created a Party essentially run by the powerful interests of the Democratic Party. The money spread by Democrats influences the secret selection of the Illinois GOP central committee members. For all intents and purposes, the Illinois Democratic Party chooses the members of the GOP central committee and these committee members act accordingly.

But, even were that not the case, the current process essentially disenfranchises Illinois Republican voters and distances the operations of the party from them. After all, why get too involved in party politics when there is no way to run for positions on the central committee and no way to get involved? It is a closed society of powerful interests not open to participation or influence by rank and file voters.

It should also be noted that this process also disenfranchises military voters, too. How absurd is it to note that the corrupt Democratic Party of Illinois allows its military voters to engage in electing its committeemen but the Illinois Republican Party does not? More than absurd, its shameful.

There has been for years a bill floating about the statehouse in Springfield, though, intent on reverting the committeemen selection process back to an election. It has failed in the past, but SB600 is being revived again and this time it seems to have more support than it ever had before.

Conservative stalwart, State Senator Chirs Lauzen (R-Aurora) is trying once again to get SB600 off the ground and through his hard work he’s gotten even the members of the committee itself — except member Dan Rutherford (R-Pontiac) — to sign on as co-sponsors.

It could be going into the Senate Elections Committee this week.

In a time when the Illinois Democratic Party has been exposed for the monumentally corrupt cancer that it truly is, this is the perfect time for the Illinois GOP to shed its own corrupt practices and open the party back up to control by the very voters whom it asks for support.

Kuddos to Senator Lauzen for his efforts thus far. May they bear democratic (small “d”) fruit.

Here is a good source on info on what SB600 means from Doug Ibendahl, a long-time Illinois Republican figure from Cook County (Chicago).


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5^5 Kudos and recommended, etc., etc.

kowalski (Diary) Tuesday, February 24th at 8:10AM EST (link)

This is an excellent and courageous post and it’s about time something was done to change the way the ILGOP functions.

Ladies and gentlemen, the most salient feature of the article that Mr. Huston links to is this:

The evidence is in – THE CURRENT SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING.

Illinois has had a badly broken Republican party for more than a decade now, and that fact was crucial to Barack Obama’s ascendancy to power. Trying to make this square-wheeled jalopy roll down the road by adding another square wheel is not the answer: the Party needs a completely new way of doing things.

When I was in Illinois and working for a very liberal, well-placed Democrat, one of her greatest privately reassuring satisfactions was that no matter how boneheaded the Democrats were in Illinois, the Republican Party would always be even more boneheaded as long as they continued along their current path.

She was right, alas. A good definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. It’s time for the ILGOP to change.

 

Unelected equals unaccountable...

rbdwiggins (Diary) Tuesday, February 24th at 8:19AM EST (link)

It’s that simple.

The same problem with unaccountability is the direct result of open primaries.

“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan

 

What effect does an open primary have on this?

Brian Hibbert (Diary) Tuesday, February 24th at 8:37AM EST (link)

Hi Warner. I’m initially inclined to agree with you on this, but I do have some issues.

1. In an open primary, it’s possible for Democrats to take a Republican ballot and influence the leadership selection of our party. I don’t know how many switch voters we would get, but I’m sure all the dead people in the Democratic party would be glad to waste their ballots on screwing up the Republican party. Arguments that the Democrats aren’t likewise infiltrated by Republicans are meaningless because WE generally don’t have a large list of dead voters.

2. I generally respect Senator Rutherford and if he’s not on board with this, there may be something distasteful in the bill. It may just be a loss of influence from downstate. I’d like to hear the other side of the argument before I decide. Maybe I’ll send him an email….

3. As a newly appointed precinct committeeman, I’d like a chance to wield my awesome power in selecting the new leadership. (Just joking, as an appointee, I missed out of the chance to vote. Only elected precinct committeemen get to vote.)

4. The comments about the Chicago committeemen and ward bosses on Ibendahl’s site , are misleading in some respects and troubling in others. They are misleading regarding the voting influence because Cook county has a different party structure than the rest of the state (we don’t have Ward bosses), The Ward bosses vote in the same place as precinct committeemen do downstate. Also votes are weighted based on the numbers of Republican ballots taken so Chicago would still get more power than downstate if the comments about having 30% of the Republican numbers is true (I haven’t checked yet). They are troubling because his accusations of Ward bosses being selected by Democrats is a serious one. Is it possible this is due to the open primary? If so, changing our party structure isn’t going to help.

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I think by "open primary" he means ...

Martin Knight (Diary) Tuesday, February 24th at 8:46AM EST (link)

… that Republicans should be allowed to directly choose/elect party bosses on the Republican Primary ballot, i.e. for aspiring precinct committeemen, party chairman, central committeemen, Primary day would be Election Day.

No Martin, I mean anyone can take a Republican ballot.

Brian Hibbert (Diary) Tuesday, February 24th at 9:22AM EST (link)

In Illinois, you declare your party affiliation on primary election day when you request a ballot. You can switch parties on each primary election.

I am concerned that the large number of dead Chicago Democrats would decide to take a Republican ballot and select Democrats or at least “moderate” Republicans to lead our party.

Given the comments about ward committeemen in Chicago actually being Democrats, I suspect this has already been occurring.

I just wrote an email to Dan Rutherford asking why he isn’t supporting the bill. I’ll post his reasons when I get them,…..

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Well, I agree

Warner Todd Huston (Diary) Tuesday, February 24th at 9:41AM EST (link)

Well, I agree to a certain degree about your worry. But that is something to fix, not something to run screaming from! As to the Chicago (Cook County) GOP, it leave me cold since all those “dead Democratic voters” you so rightly fear have never ONCE found an opposing voice in the Cook County GOP. If the Cook GOPers had ever even tried to take these fraud filled Chicago precinct elections to court, I’d be a little more interested in giving them my support.

But the Cook GOP CONSISTENTLY ignores the rampant fraud and meekly sits by doing zip about it. How is this a party? Sorry, but as I see it the Illinois GOP is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Illinois Democrat Party.

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Why not close the primary or go to a caucus

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, February 24th at 9:55AM EST (link)

system. A state-run primary system has to accomodate a party’s method of choosing its nominees/officers, so the Democrats can’t thwart the move. See, the CA case on this. We fought it out here in AK as well when our D-leaning SC opened the R primary. It got us four more years of Tony Knowles, but we got it closed again.

This is something the RNC should get on; ALL Republican primaries should be closed and we should have restrictions on registration whether the state does or not, e.g., resident and registered at least thirty days before the election even if the state allows same day.

In Vino Veritas

Art, I'd love to close it down, but....

Brian Hibbert (Diary) Tuesday, February 24th at 10:07AM EST (link)

it would be bad press. We’re supposed to be the party of freedom. and I’m trying to recruit new members. It wouldn’t look good if we get headlines “Republicans want to limit voter’s freedom to choose”.

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Just rip the bandaid off.

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, February 24th at 10:18AM EST (link)

So the Ds and their running dogs mumble about it from time to time. ‘The voters” don’t have the freedom to choose in the Republican primary, only registered Republicans do.

In Vino Veritas

 

So the media would wail? Why should we give a damn?

Martin Knight (Diary) Tuesday, February 24th at 10:22AM EST (link)

Whatever the headlines, Republicans should be making sure that we’re choosing Republicans to occupy our party positions. The headlines would only last a week or so, the “middle” doesn’t really care much, and considering the current condition of the ILGOP, how much harm can it do?

However, Democrats as members of the GOP State Central Committee can do a lot more damage that’ll last for years.

I mean, if not for Democratic plants, how in the name of all that is Holy could anyone have thought that it was a smart idea to import Alan Keyes from Maryland to compete against Obama? Chirinjeev Kathuria would have been a much better choice.

 

So isntead

Warner Todd Huston (Diary) Tuesday, February 24th at 9:11PM EST (link)

Mr. Hibbert,

You said “It wouldn’t look good if we get headlines “Republicans want to limit voter’s freedom to choose”.”

Yet you seem to support this this selection process? So, you actually support NO ONE getting a vote at all????

I am beginning to imagine you are more interested in your privileges in government than you are the voice of the people. This is precisely the sort of arrogance I despise.

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Well, not WHOLLY owned.

Brian Hibbert (Diary) Tuesday, February 24th at 9:57AM EST (link)

At least not me. And not the Republicans I know downstate.

Direct elections sound like a good idea to me. But they aren’t going to fix the problem of Chicago Democrats selecting Republican officials. We need some way of ensuring our party officials are selected by Republicans.

I’ve also been doing some checking and another page on that Champion news site lists Sen. Rutherford as supporting the bill, not opposing it as stated above.

I assume he’ll clarify his position when he replies to my email.

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OK...

Warner Todd Huston (Diary) Tuesday, February 24th at 10:24AM EST (link)

OK, well not you, then. LOL.

That’s one of ya.

As to Rutherford, I don’t see his name on the lost of bill co-sponsors…

Chris Lauzen – Christine Radogno, Mike Jacobs, Kwame Raoul, Dan Duffy, Randall M. Hultgren, Bill Brady, William R. Haine, Kirk W. Dillard, Gary G. Dahl, Larry K. Bomke, J. Bradley Burzynski, Tim Bivins, David Luechtefeld, Dale A. Righter, Pamela J. Althoff, John O. Jones, Dave Syverson and Matt Murphy

Maybe the webpage from Springfield hasn’t been updated?

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By the way...

Warner Todd Huston (Diary) Tuesday, February 24th at 10:25AM EST (link)

By the way, it also torks me off that our capital has the same name as the satirical town in the Simpsons! I guess there’s no balm for that one, though.
;)

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WTH, I got a response from Sen. Rutherford.

Brian Hibbert (Diary) Tuesday, February 24th at 3:00PM EST (link)

“I support this legislation.”

That’s it. No squishiness, just a simple statement of support. Sponsorship aside, he will vote for it.

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He is not

Warner Todd Huston (Diary) Tuesday, February 24th at 9:07PM EST (link)

Well, he is not listed on the bill. So, does this mean he won’t co-sign, his co-sponsoring just hasn’t shown up yet on the website, or he refuses to support it openly?

I think there is SOME “squishiness here unless he clears that up.

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Warner, he may not be a co-sponser, but he's

Brian Hibbert (Diary) Wednesday, February 25th at 7:55AM EST (link)

stated in no uncertain terms that he is for the legislation. The line I quoted above was the entirety of his response to me. That’s a pretty clear statement. The Champion news web site you referenced has a page listing him as supporting the bill so I’m not the only person he’s said that to.

I’ve never known him to be a flip flopper, so I believe him. He’s not a Democrat so blatant lies to your face is not a skill he’s practiced.

P.S. Looks like it’s scheduled for hearing today in the Elections committee. There are 4 Rs (including Rutherford) and 5 Ds on that committee. Let’s see what happens.

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Paging RNC!!!! Help in Reforming ILLINOIS GOP!!!!!

Rod_Patrick (Diary) Tuesday, February 24th at 9:26AM EST (link)

That’s the only way to rectify the situation in Illinois… the State of Abraham Lincoln!

We need to pressure Illinois Republicans to change their own rules into a more democratic one.

WTH Rocks Again!!!

 

Recommended.

liandro (Diary) Tuesday, February 24th at 5:44PM EST (link)

I haven’t had time to research all the various angles, but any discussion of how to right ourselves here in IL is a good thing. I was gearing up to get active in the next election (I live in Dixon, hometown of Reagan, in one of the few blazing red counties last Nov., yet we have a very spendy D mayor…go figure) but I got orders to head overseas in April.