An extremely liberal co-worker of mine — he’s in the past said that the “rich” should be killed, for instance — asked me a serious question by which he felt he could gauge whether or not I was a “real” American in his eyes during the rise of the age of Obama. He wondered whether I wish success for Barack Obama as our president. After a few seconds of reflection I had to honestly give a qualified “no” in answer to his query. Naturally this fellow went off about how it was unAmerican to wish the president to fail and how it would damage the country. But, after he briefly calmed down, and brief calm is usually all we can expect from him, I gave him a fuller explanation.
I reminded him that it was a qualified no I gave him. Of course every American wants his president to be successful on every count that will benefit the country. No true American wants to see a monumental, destructive, Carteresque failure in the White House. My liberal co-worker is correct on that count. No one wants the next Buchanan, who, Nero-like, fiddled while Washington D.C. and the country burned. We want them all to be Reagans, Washingtons and Lincolns.
But, that is just it, isn’t it? We want them to do what is best for the country. That is what we mean by “success.” And, when you get right down to it, opinions vary of what “best” means. I do want Obama to be successful on what would be best for this country, absolutely. Unfortunately, there is little that he campaigned on that would be good for this country.
Now, let’s look at the very phrase this is all predicated upon. “I want Barack Obama to succeed.” Or, similarly, “I don’t want Obama to fail.” Both being the same premise. But, let’s face it, the devil is always in the details, isn’t it? What does “fail” or “succeed” even mean? Do I want Barack Obama to succeed in turning this country into a weaker, more communist copy of France? Hardly. But if he did succeed at that, it would be a success of a sort — especially should that have been his goal.
But I don’t want that sort of success.
Conversely, when I asked my liberal friend if he wanted Obama to “succeed” in a way that made him an even more conservative copy of Ronald Reagan, he nearly chocked to death trying to get a decided and vociferous “no” out of his own mouth.
He wouldn’t want that sort of success.
So, the game-saying of wanting Obama to “succeed” is a meaningless exercise. On one hand every American wants the new president to succeed. But at what? That is the key question. We, each of us, want Obama to succeed at what we think is good for the country. So, right off the top the question itself is trope or even tripe.
Now we arrive at where I stand on Obama’s relative “success.” I did not vote for the man. I do not support his socialist ideas. I stand four-square against his votes for infanticide, his votes to gut the Constitutional right to self-protection, his vague ideas of nationalizing various industries, his intention to enlarge government to unheard of proportions and his softening on terror producing countries. And since these are the things his entire life’s career point to as probable goals to “succeed” upon during his presidency… well, I want him to fail. And I want him to do so spectacularly. If Barack Obama is but a Trojan Horse for communism to push its nose under and into the tent, I want him to fail in the attempt.
Simply put I want these ideas to fail miserably because success for them would mean the destruction of this country. So, wishing Obama to succeed would be hoping for the destruction of my country if success means the accomplishments of goals like I mention above.
Needless to say, if he should accomplish the opposite of my laundry list of evils above, well, that sort of success I would heartily welcome.
The upshot is, we as conservatives and Republicans should want Barack Obama to fail if he is to strive for the wrong things. It’s not unAmerican, or even relatively impolite to say so, either.
This is all not to say that Republicans and conservatives should treat Barack Obama in like manner as the ignorati of the lunatic left have treated George W. Bush. We should give Obama a fair hearing, agree when it’s appropriate, disagree when it isn’t and fight tooth and nail when we know we are right. We should eschew the sort of DailyKos, Huffington Post or DemocraticUnderground style of hate so prevalent with the left. But we should not go wobbly. Principled and firm opposition is called for, as always, cooler heads should prevail.
But, we should not wish Obama “success” just for the sake of success. Nor should we let our guard down in some foolish bid to force the left to appreciate us for our civility. Civility is a reward in and of itself. It isn’t a gift to the enemy.
So, here’s hoping great failure for Obama on all the things he should fail on and success with those things that are right and good for the United States of America.
** Addendeum**
I see that Leon H. Wolf addressed this idea, as well. I had missed his post earlier.
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Well Warner I wish him no success at all!....
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Wednesday, January 21st at 6:27AM EST (link)Other than treating our troops fighting wars overseas and giving them the respect they are due I wish NONE of his socialist policies of the Government owning more than private industry NO SUCCESS!
If someone doesn’t like that tough! If Obama is a “success” our country will look like Russia in the end game.
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I hope he does succeed
jfpurdue01 (Diary) Wednesday, January 21st at 8:33AM EST (link)Probably a better way to put it is this:
I hope he does succeed, but I measure success much differently than Obama does! I hope he succeeds in restoring our economy by eliminating government waste and regulations. I hope he succeeds in Iraq by continuing the progress that President Bush has made the last few years. So yeah, I really hope he succeeds. I’m just a lot less optimistic about him succeeding than I would be if a conservative had been elected.
I don’t have a problem with Barack Obama… I have a problem with his policies. I believe that’s what makes me different than the Bush-haters. They hated Bush on a very personal level and I think that is bad for our country.
Yeah, that's a good way to put it.
Praying (Diary) Wednesday, January 21st at 9:11AM EST (link)Hate the policies, love the president. (a lame take off on hate the sin, love the sinner). I never understood how the far left loonies could hate the MAN Bush so much, when 99.9% of them never met him! Hard to believe liberals and conservatives are the same species, sometimes.
No!!!11!1!!1!1! The Bilderbergers are coming
It's sort of like what Bishop Sheen said:
Lammo (Diary) Wednesday, January 21st at 1:01PM EST (link)“There are not over a hundred people in the United States who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions, however, who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church, which is, of course, quite a different thing.”
They hate the picture they have been given of the man, which is a quite different thing from who the man actually is.
Don’t be so open minded that your brains fall out. (John Corapi, The Black Sheep Dog)
I understand what you are saying...
ContraMundum Wednesday, January 21st at 10:02AM EST (link)…but to hope that Obama achieves the things you listed is like hoping Mr. T stops pitying too many fools.
Obama made it clear, often between the lines, as to what he intends. His view of what America should be, and what America was founded on and is are two different things.
My hope lies more in the people of this nation. I hope they find their strength. I hope they have their eyes and ears open. I hope they stand for their freedoms. And I hope they allow Obama one term, and one term only.
I wish the man no harm, but I wish him utter failure in his socialist policies.
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“It must not be supposed that folly is as powerful as truth,
just because it can, if it likes, shout louder and longer than truth.”
–Augustine
Well put Warner....
Attack Mode (Diary) Wednesday, January 21st at 9:24AM EST (link)The way I see it Obama is only going to be as bad as we allow him to be. If he tries to go straight left off the bat…well our guys in Congress are gonna get an earful…fight when we need to and teach when we are not fighting…thats the way to handle Obama and have a good run up to 2010 and beyond.
“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.
Great illustration
Bill S (Diary) Wednesday, January 21st at 9:38AM EST (link)I’m stealing that.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
LOL
Warner Todd Huston (Diary) Wednesday, January 21st at 9:51AM EST (link)Yeah, and the sad thing is, my co-worker refused to recognize his own hypocrisy. I just shake my head in shame at our fetid educational system.
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From ME to You (Diary) Wednesday, January 21st at 12:18PM EST (link)Please remember…to a Democrat, democracy only works when THEY win and you are allowed free speech only when you agree with them !
Absolutely BRILLIANT (nt)
JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, January 21st at 11:15AM EST (link).
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Amen.
ContraMundum Wednesday, January 21st at 9:56AM EST (link)“I see that Leon H. Wolf addressed this idea, as well. I had missed his post earlier.”
It is worth posting twice.
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“It must not be supposed that folly is as powerful as truth,
just because it can, if it likes, shout louder and longer than truth.”
–Augustine
Idealogy or results?
liberalrepublican (Diary) Wednesday, January 21st at 10:15AM EST (link)In 4 years…
What if the economy is kicking butt? Millions of new jobs, investment etc.
What if we go 4 years without a terror attack on US soil?
What if Afghanistan and Iraq achieve a greater level of stability and freedom?
What if Israel is safer and the radicals are out of power in Iran?
What if there are no attacks on the 2nd Amendment that pass?
I hope for all of the above success.
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
*ideology or results...
Attack Mode (Diary) Wednesday, January 21st at 10:26AM EST (link)What if cars really could run on rainbows and unicorn farts???
/snark
“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.
Well, we differ...
liberalrepublican (Diary) Wednesday, January 21st at 10:39AM EST (link)I fully expect most of the above to happen and would regardless of whether McCain or Obama won.
I think they are reasonable goals, not the stuff of unicorn farts.
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
The very first one is not based in reality...
Attack Mode (Diary) Wednesday, January 21st at 10:45AM EST (link)If Obama is successful in implementing his ideological preferences on the economy we will see near total collapse. PERIOD.
“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.
Maybe...
liberalrepublican (Diary) Wednesday, January 21st at 11:18AM EST (link)Or maybe the strength of America doesn’t come from Washington.
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
hey...Librepub...Washington will Drink your Milkshake...
speciallist (Diary) Wednesday, January 21st at 11:24AM EST (link)if you let them……np
Your comment makes no sense....
Attack Mode (Diary) Wednesday, January 21st at 11:26AM EST (link)Bottom line, if Obama does what he said he will do, then it will damage our country on many levels. This is not really a matter of debate, the failures of Keynes, the socialist state, the communist state, all of these prove that what Obama is pushing will lead to failure.
Now you can hope that it will work this time and buy into lofty rhetoric like
But the reality is that the POTUS does hold a tremendous amount of power and with a complicit congress he can push through just about anything he wishes, no need for Republicans to attach themselves to policies that lead directly to our failure as a nation
And now I invoke the HinzRule!!
“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.
Warren Buffet thinks the economy...
liberalrepublican (Diary) Wednesday, January 21st at 12:10PM EST (link)will be fine.
That’s its best days are ahead of it.
Sorry if I believe him over you, but I hope you understand why someone might.
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
Buffet is a great investor...
Attack Mode (Diary) Wednesday, January 21st at 12:25PM EST (link)but i a sorry to say he fails history. Keynesian policies will wreck the economy, history proves this.
You have to argue history, not me.
“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.
Again,
liberalrepublican (Diary) Wednesday, January 21st at 12:30PM EST (link)excuse me if I believe Warren Buffet over you.
And as an investor, he is saying this is one of the best times in the past 100 years to invest in the American economy.
I’m not fan of what Obama is proposing, but there is no way I think it will ruin our economy.
Most likely, it will prevent us from expanding as rapidly as we can.
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
You chose the easy ones
Bill S (Diary) Wednesday, January 21st at 11:37AM EST (link)a) The odds that Obamanomics will succeed are long. The argument between Keynesian and supply-side economics has been going on for decades. This life-sized case study may prove something; it may not. What it will not prove is Obama’s competence.
b) Your other examples all relate to national security, and NO ONE here – not nWTH, Leon Wolf, or anyone else has implied that we hope that Obama fails on natsec. So you’ve said nothing.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
Read the Headline...
liberalrepublican (Diary) Wednesday, January 21st at 12:15PM EST (link)It is:
“Why I Want Barack Obama To Fail As President”
Notice the word President. It doesn’t say ideologue. I that is what he meant, he should have used that word.
National security is job one for a president.
Also, I think the American economy is very strong. Very. Best in the world. And will bounce back better than ever.
That is my belief PERIOD. I don’t care who is president.
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
Precisely, bs.
spainishirish (Diary) Wednesday, January 21st at 12:18PM EST (link)The Dems are flailing around and looking for Republican faces to attach to the economic stimulus package because they think it will fail, too, and they will be the proper parties for blame. Unless, of course, some of our usual GOP suspects step up to help them out.
My life motto: Never rely to anybody but yourself. SO I don't care about Obamessiah at all.
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Wednesday, January 21st at 11:00AM EST (link)LET HIM FAIL!!!!!
That will teach all Americans to never trust their fate to a mere mortal man of questionable past.
That will also teach us that never rely on the Government to do things for us.
Well put. The only way Obama can "succeed" is for him to change positions.
spainishirish (Diary) Wednesday, January 21st at 12:15PM EST (link)Otherwise he will fail. I fully expect him to fail, therefore, but I hope he will have a change of heart and succeed.
As an aside, the left-wing is really, really nervous about what they have done to George W. Bush over the last eight years. I enjoy their fer.
I doubt he will
jonathanswift (Diary) Wednesday, January 21st at 12:20PM EST (link)have a change of heart, but since he is very bright and even more ambitious, his positions will change.