Liberals Don’t Know What Patriotism Means


From the diaries by Erick.

**UPDATE** Alan Colmes Links to this post at Liberaland

Some think it a canard that liberals aren’t patriotic. In some ways, it is a canard, but only just. Some liberals really do imagine themselves patriotic. But in what ever way liberals imagine they feel for their country, it doesn’t seem that patriotism is really what they feel. At least not in the way that patriotism is properly defined. There has been a spate of stories in the media since Obama’s election that serve to illustrate why liberals seem incapable of being patriotic.

But, first, what is patriotism?

After the War of 1812 one of our most celebrated sea captains, Stephen Decatur (America’s first post Revolutionary War military hero) once gave a toast at Norfolk to his fellow seamen that is the most perfect illustration of true patriotism. As he lifted his glass, Decatur said,
“Our country! In her intercourse with foreign nations, may she always be in the right; but our country, right or wrong.”

“May she always be in the right; but our country, right or wrong.” This reflects real patriotism. It isn’t my country IF I agree with everything she does. It isn’t my country IF I like the president or party in power. It isn’t my country IF I feel comfortable, am rich, or have personal power. There is an intrinsic value imparted to the nation whether it currently seems to be upholding what makes it worthy or not. It is my country whether I currently am comfortable with its policies and politicians or not.

For some nations, patriotism is defined because of its homogeneous racial or religious makeup. Sometimes it is a mere aspect of geography and longevity as a nation. The French love France because they are French. The English love England because it has a proud, defiant history of standing as one against all comers, etc., etc. As a matter of course, most peoples imagine that their patriotism is based on an assumption that their country has intrinsic value.

But the United States is a bit different in what its patriotism is based upon. It isn’t geography, a single religion, or mere history that Americans base their patriotism upon. The United States is one of the few nations that were created by design and not simply by time, religion, war or geography. The reason Americans feel patriotic for the USA is because of a belief in her national precepts: life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, religious freedom, freedom of speech, the national republican system, and a reliance on capitalist self-determination.

And Americans don’t just have some gauzy belief in phrases, either, but feel that there is true meaning behind them as designed by the Founding Fathers. The fact that God created our rights, that government cannot take them away, that a man can be secure in his life and property, and that these are rights of all men, not just Americans… these ideas give our nation and patriotism intrinsic worth.

But, regardless of exactly what the locus of patriotism is, the central theme is that one loves his country no matter its errors. Warts and all, the country is believed in. Right or wrong.

None of this is meant to excuse mistakes, or even crimes, by papering them over with the flag. In a democratic nation, a chief freedom is to be able to bring redress to one’s own nation, to petition government, to criticize its actions, and to correct mistakes by the vote of its people. But, through all strife and political debate there has to be an assumption that the surgeon is being called because the patient to be cured, in this case a nation, is worth the valiant, life-saving effort. The nation must be worthy for anyone to bother.

So, if we Americans truly believe in our national precepts, our national soul, then it shouldn’t matter who is in the White House or what party controls Congress. And this is where liberals fail the test of patriotism. Like the starry eyed bride, liberals are more in love with the idea of being in love than they are in what that love is applied to. Like the bride that married her man for what she thinks she can turn him into, liberals love what they want the USA to become, not what it is.

You simply cannot love something that you want to change so materially that it would be unrecognizable afterwards. And this is how liberals feel. They dislike America’s true ideas and only want to use the gauzy phrases to paper over the massive changes they want to make. And unless they get their way, America is not worth loving whether it is currently right or wrong.

One might recall, for instance, during the first inauguration of Bill Clinton, actor Ron Silver was absurdly self-satisfied to realize that the military jets flying above the capitol were suddenly allowed to be defined as “our jets now.” At the time, Silver didn’t consider the U.S. military as “his” merely because his party did not have a commander in chief in the White House. Before Clinton came to office he didn’t approve of then current policy so he did not consider the government or military of the United States to be “his.” But, lo and behold, once Clinton took office, why he felt like an American. This is not patriotism.

Recently, as Obama ran for the White House, his own wife let slip that she was never proud of her country until her husband looked to be a viable candidate for the presidency. In a wider sampling, now that Barack Obama has won the office, there have been quite a few stories in the media that proclaim that it is now OK to be an American. There have been stories that have miraculously found that with Obama’s victory liberals have seen the winds of patriotism renewed, and some have even found that they are finally be proud to be an American. Still others have said that they are at last proud to tell foreigners they are Americans. In fact, the Seattle Post Intelligencer was so shocked to see liberals finally wishing to fly the flag that it felt it had to print a guide on how to respectfully display the flag because it was so sure none of its readers were familiar with the rules.

What we see in these examples are Americans that feel that America is not living up to what they thought America should be, and happy to see that it might just become what they want. This, in itself, does not necessarily preclude patriotism. Practically every politically aware American feels that America is in some way not living up to its potential or principles. After all, why keep seeking power if you don’t think things need to change?

But a closer observation of the examples I provide will prove that these people are not just saying America has improvements to make or are satisfied that they are now being made. What they are really saying is that they didn’t even feel they were Americans because their political ideals were not winning the national debate and their political leaders were not in charge. Further, when their leaders did get in charge, there was a sudden about face on the feeling of being American. When Clinton took office, when Obama won the 2008 election, these people suddenly imagined themselves proud to be Americans. Instantaneous patriotism based upon partisan political success is not patriotism.

It’s fine to be mad at the president or Congress. It’s fine to be upset with policy, too. But to disown the country because your leaders are not winning elections? That isn’t patriotism. Sadly, the truth is that unless they are in charge, few liberals feel disposed to claim to be Americans. As a result, their sunshine patriotism isn’t patriotism at all.

**UPDATE**

Alan Colmes linked our little post here, today.

To answer a few of his questions:

Aren’t these the people, and the people who supported the people who, once they controlled all facets of government, screwed everything up?

Can’t dispute that they “screwed everything up.” But, it does not follow that our support and our cores ideals are somehow wrong because the politicians failed us. After all, if that were true, then you’d have to disown your principles, Alan, because Clinton got impeached and Gore and Kerry made such a hash out of their campaigns! Betchya won’t be doing that anytime soon!

As to Michelle “clarifying” her remark about never being proud of her country until the ol’ hubby became a viable candidate for POTUS, you’d have to accept that I’d believe her “clarification.” I no more believe her take-back, then I believe that Bill Clinton really does “feel our pain.”

Lastly, you mislead your reads on Ron Silver.

Huston uses Ron Silver as an example of a liberal. Could he mean the actor who now addresses Republican conventions and supports Bush?

Silver did, indeed, have a turn around of sentiment once the Islamofascists felled the World Trade Tower (you remember that little incident, right?). But before that time, Silver was a thorough and prosaic liberal. My recounting of his earlier quote is in no way illegitimate merely because he changed teams later. The issue was liberals that only suddenly realized that the USA was their USA and the 1994 Ron Silver incident was a perfect example of such.

Thanks for sending a few readers our way and good luck with your new TV ventures as you close the door on Hannity and Colmes.

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My President

givemeliberty Monday, December 1st at 11:30AM EST (link)

Just after the recent election of Obama I heard several callers on talk radio say that he was not their President. That is an un-patriotic sentiment. I disagree with most positions that the man holds but he is MY president, he leads MY country and is the Commander in Chief of MY military. Like him or not his is OUR President. We do not and should not compromise our morals and beliefs for him but we should support him in every way we can because that is American Patriotism.

“If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.” -Thomas Jeffereson

 

Obama is not my President

10ksnooker (Diary) Monday, December 1st at 11:42AM EST (link)

Like Bush-Hitler before him, Obama is just another wanna be Hugo Chavez communist.

I doubt Obama-ZERO even knows what it means to be an American or anything about freedom and liberty. I bet he will show us all he doesn’t, as he tries to implement the already failed ideology of Obamunism.

FDR’s socialist New Deal was the biggest RAW DEAL America ever got from a President.

 

My patriotism will be sorely tested in the next 2 years

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Monday, December 1st at 11:56AM EST (link)

So the question becomes this, for me: When my president was voted in by the lying, cheating media — against the will of the electorate — and when this president seeks at every turn to dismantle EVERYTHING that makes America great, when all three branches of the federal government, plus a bloated bureaucracy, all work in concert to take away the free market, take away liberty, reward irresponsibility and punish hard work….
how shall I feel about my country?

When we surrender Taiwan to Commy China without so much as a whimper, when the USA knuckles under to illegal immigration, when the next successful terrorist attack on our soil meets with a fumbling, bumbling response,

The things you say (which I agree with) about WHY Americans are patriotic – our national precepts – will be actively undermined by the coming government.

So, will I forever say…”may she always be in the right; but our country, right or wrong!”

I don’t know. I really don’t know. Not forever, I don’t think.

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A (not so) hypotheical.

Next93 (Diary) Monday, December 1st at 1:13PM EST (link)

Here’s an interesting question: does the president remain your president when he turns over American sovereignty to other countries?

Two things that scare me spitless about the President-Elect:

1) The only piece of legislation that he’s sponsored in Congress is a “world poverty elimination program” that essentially boils down to a tax on the American people on behalf of the UN. It’s to be used for poverty elimination programs, but anyone who has a shred of intellectual honestry knows that the UN isn’t really all that trustable with large sums of money.

2) One of the Obamasiah’s criticisms of Bush was that he refused to give the World Court jusidiction over the actions of American soldiers. Presumably, reversing that policy in a very difficult-to-change way (i.e., a treaty) will be one of his key objectives.

So, here’s the question: does the president continue being your president if he allows an unelected foreign government to levy taxes on you, and gives American servicepeople over to the tender mercies of a politically-driven kangaroo court?

If so, I’m starting to have a hard time seeing the difference between patriotism and treason.

Obama was The One in 2008.
He’ll be a BIGGER one in 2012.

 
 

vs. nationalism

mollyp Monday, December 1st at 1:42PM EST (link)

You should write an essay comparing patriotism with nationalism. I think that what many people consider patriotism is better described as nationalism.

One reason that some people appear unpatriotic at times is because those same people (like myself), shun nationalism, because we perceive it as a tool of propaganda and manipulation.

Ironically, it then feels completely patriotic to reject the perveyors of the so-called ‘patriotism’, which is actually, in such a case, a thinly disguised appeal to nationalism.

How do we distinguish American patriotism from Chinese nationalism or anyone elses love for their country? The only way I see is in our uniquely unassailable right to be critical of our own country.

 

I agree with the article

charliehall Monday, December 1st at 2:50PM EST (link)

This is my country, no matter who is the President. Bush has been my President, and Obama will be my President.

But my ancestors were fighting in the Continental Army, decades before Stephen Decatur! I can sympathize with those whose ancestors did not have the opportunity to do that because they were enslaved.

I hope that now the Bush administration has agreed to a date certain for US withdrawal from Iraq, the left wing will quiet down, the right wing will give the new President a chance, and we can return to a bipartisan foreign policy such as that which won the cold war.

Charlie Hall

Voted by the media?

TrackerNeil Monday, December 1st at 4:26PM EST (link)

“So the question becomes this, for me: When my president was voted in by the lying, cheating media — against the will of the electorate”

Can you explain how was Obama voted in against the will of the electorate? Most of what I’ve read indicates he beat McCain by 6-7 points, and there can’t be THAT many journalists in this country.

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I contend that the media made a 10% difference

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Monday, December 1st at 4:45PM EST (link)

In so many ways:

  • The constant, 8-year assault by the media on all things Republican and especially anything conservative drove Bush’s poll numbers into the 20s while we had the best economy in 20 years.
  • The incessant cheerleading for Obama, feeding into the air of ‘inevitable candidate’.
  • The utter lack of interest in investigating ANY of the numerous smelly issues with Obama.
  • The naked assault on Sarah Palin.
  • Making sure squish McCain was the GOP candidate.
  • Making sure the housing market collapse, wrecking the global economy, was hung around the neck of Republicans when it was OBVIOUSLY the fault of Democrats.
  • shall I continue…..?

Poll after poll after poll after poll show Americans to be center-right, yet the same polls think Obama will lower taxes yet McCain will raise taxes. They think that REPUBLICANS wanted to invade Iraq because of 9-11. They thought all through the 2003-2007 economic boom that we were in a recession.

Why? Lying media.

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The Cold War wasn't exactly a bipartisan affair

tcgeol (Diary) Monday, December 1st at 4:47PM EST (link)

There were some Democrats that were squarely anti-communist, but many were not and they interefered mightily.

Just your typical bitter gun- and God-clinger

Even the Left admits we’re Right

Bipartisan foreign policy that won the Cold War...

mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, December 1st at 5:01PM EST (link)

didn’t exist.

Ronald Wilson Reagan and Margaret Thatcher won the Cold War with no help whatsoever from liberals on either side of the Atlantic. And, in Reagan’s case, with darn little help from Republicans.

If you think for one second that the Democratic Party stood for victory in the Cold War, I would recommend that you read up on these events for starters:

  • “Dear Commandante…” letter signed by the most prominent members of the Democratic Party including John Kerry.

  • The reaction of Democrats and the left after President Reagan’s Evil Empire speech.

  • The reaction of Democrats and the left after President Reagan’s Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this Wall speech in Berlin.

  • The reaction of Democrats and the left to President Reagan’s initial proposal of the Strategic Defense Initiative and their continued reaction after he refused to “negotiate” it away in Reykjavik.

  • The reaction of Democrats and the left to President Reagan’s comment to a news reporter when asked “How do you see the Cold War…”. His answer, “Simple. We win, they lose.”

If you need further help on this subject, try either Thorazine or lithium.

Really?

Next93 (Diary) Monday, December 1st at 6:55PM EST (link)

You honestly can’t distinguish American patriotism from Chinese nationalism?

For starters, how about the fact that the American military is sworn to protect the constitution, where the People’s Army is sworn to maintain the power of the Communist Party?

Obama was The One in 2008.
He’ll be a BIGGER one in 2012.

Like Bush-Hitler

gekster (Diary) Monday, December 1st at 8:59PM EST (link)

Are you joining the two together, or are you comparing Bush to Hitler.
Bush may have sighned spending bills like a Democrat, but he did his patriotic duty, no matter what anyone said or thought of him to protect this country to the best of his ability, polls be damned. “See Clinton”.
I call that patriotic. And you should be glad that he was that way. You can’t tell me for one minute that those idiots who attacked India wouldn’t have preferred to have done that in Miami, lots of Jewish Americans.
Or New York, again, lots of Jewish Americans.
I thank Bush that there hasn’t been that on American soil since 9-11.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

nail on head hitting

gekster (Diary) Monday, December 1st at 9:07PM EST (link)

and there is much, much more

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

I should have given one example.

gekster (Diary) Monday, December 1st at 9:12PM EST (link)

On the View, when Obama on, ALL four girls acted like they wanted him on the stage right then and right now.
When McCain was on the View, didn’t Miss Whoopi ask him if he was going to reinstate slavery, because of her missunderstanding of the Constitution?
Two totaly diferent attitudes.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

Thats not what you think it means

danielcarrey Monday, December 1st at 11:37PM EST (link)

Next93, you just described the differences between the military in a democratic government vs a communist, but you didn’t distinguish patriotism vs nationalism. You underlined the roles of organizations(military in this case), not of individuals.

Patriotism and nationalism refer to the will of the individual, not of any given collective. Its a tough question to answer because typically, patriotism is seen as something good, and nationalism as something bad. But they are so abstract that they can’t really be pinned down.

From the authors perspective, rejecting England and establishing America under a new government was a very unpatriotic thing to do. Quoted: “You simply cannot love something that you want to change so materially that it would be unrecognizable afterwards.” I can’t think of any change bigger then that in our history that also happens to be the most patriotic.

I think

Warner Todd Huston (Diary) Tuesday, December 2nd at 12:56AM EST (link)

E. Plur.

I think you are still conflating the president and current policy with “the country” in general. I agree with you 100% that we can be mad at and disappointed in what our country is currently doing, but what we are currently doing isn’t necessarily “the country.”

Our goal, of course, should be to defeat our wrong headed policy WITHOUT saying that the nation is now “not” our nation.

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Lying media?

TrackerNeil Tuesday, December 2nd at 9:13AM EST (link)

I’m not going to get into the issue of media lies, because that’s a go-nowhere argument in my view. However, I still don’t understand how the media “voted in” Barack Obama. Americans voted him in, and unless you can cite stories of journalists stationed at polling places with machine guns, forcing Americans to pull the Democratic lever, that sounds like democracy to me.

You’re obviously displeased with the results of the election, which is of course your prerogative. I think you’d be better served by working to advance your party’s agenda than attempting to write off Obama’s 2008 victory as some kind of bizarre media plot.

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whatever, dude

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Tuesday, December 2nd at 11:26AM EST (link)

If you do not see media dishonesty in the fact that the whole nation thought we were in a recession from 2003-2007, then I don’t know what else to tell you.

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I would agree with that

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Tuesday, December 2nd at 11:31AM EST (link)

“the country” vs “the leadership”, great distinction. But I think I am still pursuing one valid point. If “the leadership” destroys that which made “the country” great, then what do we do, where should our loyalties ultimately lie?

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Wait a second...

TrackerNeil Tuesday, December 2nd at 12:51PM EST (link)

I thought we were talking about the election of Barack Obama? If you’re charging that Americans were deceived by the media into voting for Obama…well, can’t one make the same charge about Bush? Or any other president one doesn’t like? Just blame the media and everything’s fine!

Personally, I prefer to assign responsibility for the results of the democratic process to the American voters, who at the end of the day make the decisions. Do the voters sometimes choose, well, unwisely? Sure. But as has been said before, democracy is the worst system of government known to man, except for all of the others.

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Well...

Warner Todd Huston (Diary) Tuesday, December 2nd at 9:24PM EST (link)

I REALLY agree with you that it isn’t an easy question to solve!

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