Comments on: Landrieu Caucus Grows ‘Raucous’ http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/2009/08/28/landrieu-caucus-grows-raucous-not-reserved-in-reserve/ Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:24:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: TNJim http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/2009/08/28/landrieu-caucus-grows-raucous-not-reserved-in-reserve/#comment-1145 TNJim Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:46:42 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/?p=732#comment-1145 How many pro-Obama care citizens were showing up before they were encouraged (and possibly paid) to attend by a labor union, the White House, FreedomWorks, Americans For Prosperity, AARP, the local right to life chapter, or anybody else? If they really believed in ObamaCare™ why weren't they there at the town halls from the very beginning like the anti-ObamaCare™ people were? There were probably some, but they didn't start showing up en masse until those organizations got involved. I might be able to give them some respect if they had showed up <i>on their own</i>, like the anti-ObamaCare™ folks, but not now. How many pro-Obama care citizens were showing up before they were encouraged (and possibly paid) to attend by a labor union, the White House, FreedomWorks, Americans For Prosperity, AARP, the local right to life chapter, or anybody else? If they really believed in ObamaCare™ why weren’t they there at the town halls from the very beginning like the anti-ObamaCare™ people were? There were probably some, but they didn’t start showing up en masse until those organizations got involved.

I might be able to give them some respect if they had showed up on their own, like the anti-ObamaCare™ folks, but not now.

]]> By: Achance http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/2009/08/28/landrieu-caucus-grows-raucous-not-reserved-in-reserve/#comment-1144 Achance Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:43:28 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/?p=732#comment-1144 would be to identify the unionized public employees who are showing up at these events during normal working hours and auditing their time and attendance. In the Blue places I'd be willing to bet that the public employer is letting them off with pay, though they may wink and nod as they ask for a leave slip the leave will never be charged to the employee. Also, many unions have negotiated various union business leave schemes. As a general matter, this kind of leave can't legally be used for politics but it is easy to look the other way. No matter how they're doing it, you can bet that the union participants are getting paid by their employer, not the union itself. would be to identify the unionized public employees who are showing up at these events during normal working hours and auditing their time and attendance. In the Blue places I’d be willing to bet that the public employer is letting them off with pay, though they may wink and nod as they ask for a leave slip the leave will never be charged to the employee. Also, many unions have negotiated various union business leave schemes. As a general matter, this kind of leave can’t legally be used for politics but it is easy to look the other way.

No matter how they’re doing it, you can bet that the union participants are getting paid by their employer, not the union itself.

]]> By: ColdWarrior http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/2009/08/28/landrieu-caucus-grows-raucous-not-reserved-in-reserve/#comment-1143 ColdWarrior Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:28:36 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/?p=732#comment-1143 n/t n/t

]]> By: bk http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/2009/08/28/landrieu-caucus-grows-raucous-not-reserved-in-reserve/#comment-1142 bk Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:59:39 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/?p=732#comment-1142 They might not even be from the same <b>state</b> as the Rep much less the same district. On second thought, they might need to show their union cards to get in through the "early entry" back door. They might not even be from the same state as the Rep much less the same district.

On second thought, they might need to show their union cards to get in through the “early entry” back door.

]]> By: Castor http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/2009/08/28/landrieu-caucus-grows-raucous-not-reserved-in-reserve/#comment-1141 Castor Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:53:39 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/?p=732#comment-1141 She doesn´t come up for reelection until 2014.That´s a long time to go. Nevertheless, One only has to look at Harry Reid´s las reelection and see his poll numbers now.This should give Landrieu room to pause and think . She doesn´t come up for reelection until 2014.That´s a long time to go.
Nevertheless, One only has to look at Harry Reid´s las reelection and see his poll numbers now.This should give Landrieu room to pause and think .

]]> By: The_Gadfly http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/2009/08/28/landrieu-caucus-grows-raucous-not-reserved-in-reserve/#comment-1140 The_Gadfly Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:46:01 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/?p=732#comment-1140 They are paid to show up and shill for a particular point of view regardless of whether or not they personally believe it. The people who have been showing up protesting against Obamacare with its implied Death Panels are taking time off from work to make their voices heard. <B>They</B> are the ones who have been slandered as shills and mobsters. We will call it astroturfing when it is astroturfing, because the <b>truth</b> is important. If you expect civil discourse, the first action item you must complete is getting public apologies for every single person who has slandered honest citizens protesting against this abhorrent monstrosity. They are paid to show up and shill for a particular point of view regardless of whether or not they personally believe it. The people who have been showing up protesting against Obamacare with its implied Death Panels are taking time off from work to make their voices heard. They are the ones who have been slandered as shills and mobsters. We will call it astroturfing when it is astroturfing, because the truth is important.

If you expect civil discourse, the first action item you must complete is getting public apologies for every single person who has slandered honest citizens protesting against this abhorrent monstrosity.

]]> By: 1stRichard http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/2009/08/28/landrieu-caucus-grows-raucous-not-reserved-in-reserve/#comment-1139 1stRichard Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:35:07 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/?p=732#comment-1139 Without our reps as they refuse to attend so we are having them anyway! Yes there is a revolt go on in W/Mass! Westmister town hall meeting The consensus was unanimous in opposition to the health care bill as proposed by the senate and the house. Issues of constitutionality of the bill were discussed. Issues of dissatisfaction with both parties were brought up (by members of both parties). Everyone in attendance expressed anger over our representatives lack of concern regarding our opinions and our wishes. Every person in attendance knows that Olver is going to vote for the bill despite any amount of pressure from his constituency. Town Hall meeting in South Deerfield Aug 28 Fri 6:00 PM Location Mt Sugarloaf Park pavilion rte 116 South Deerfield, MA 01373 Town hall meeting in Ware, Genville park Aug 29 Sat 6:00 PM Location grenville park Church St Ware, MA 01082 Town Hall meeting in Pittsfield Sep 2Wed 7:00 PM Location American legion main st Pittsfield, MA 01201 Town Hall meeting in Greenfield Sep 3 Thu 7:00 PM Location The greenfield grange 401 Chapman St Greenfield, MA 01301 Town Hall meeting in Orange Sep 4 Fri 7:00 PM Location American Legion 40 Daniel Shays Highway Orange, MA 01364 Without our reps as they refuse to attend so we are having them anyway! Yes there is a revolt go on in W/Mass!

Westmister town hall meeting

The consensus was unanimous in opposition to the health care bill as proposed by the senate and the house. Issues of constitutionality of the bill were discussed. Issues of dissatisfaction with both parties were brought up (by members of both parties).
Everyone in attendance expressed anger over our representatives lack of concern regarding our opinions and our wishes. Every person in attendance knows that Olver is going to vote for the bill despite any amount of pressure from his constituency.

Town Hall meeting in South Deerfield
Aug 28 Fri 6:00 PM Location
Mt Sugarloaf Park pavilion rte 116
South Deerfield, MA 01373

Town hall meeting in Ware, Genville park
Aug 29 Sat 6:00 PM Location
grenville park Church St
Ware, MA 01082

Town Hall meeting in Pittsfield
Sep 2Wed 7:00 PM Location
American legion
main st
Pittsfield, MA 01201

Town Hall meeting in Greenfield
Sep 3 Thu 7:00 PM Location
The greenfield grange
401 Chapman St
Greenfield, MA 01301

Town Hall meeting in Orange
Sep 4 Fri 7:00 PM Location
American Legion
40 Daniel Shays Highway
Orange, MA 01364

]]> By: Steph C http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/2009/08/28/landrieu-caucus-grows-raucous-not-reserved-in-reserve/#comment-1138 Steph C Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:59:58 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/?p=732#comment-1138 "They" call us names for objecting to their plans and we're supposed to respect them? "They" bus in paid supporters and we're supposed to respect them? "They" one minute lie and tell us something is not in the bill and the next minute claim it hasn't been written, yet, and we're supposed to respect them? Tell me just what there is to respect? “They” call us names for objecting to their plans and we’re supposed to respect them?

“They” bus in paid supporters and we’re supposed to respect them?

“They” one minute lie and tell us something is not in the bill and the next minute claim it hasn’t been written, yet, and we’re supposed to respect them?

Tell me just what there is to respect?

]]> By: bk http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/2009/08/28/landrieu-caucus-grows-raucous-not-reserved-in-reserve/#comment-1137 bk Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:57:50 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/?p=732#comment-1137 She will vote for whatever way increases her chances for reelection. Fallback plan of course is to use ACORN in New Orleans to manufacture votes if all else fails. Maybe Vlad can comment, but I can swear that when she first got elected my mom told me she saw a piece on the news where some 'voter' was pissed off. She was to be paid $25 for voting for Landrieu and she voted for her three times but only got $25 instead of $75. She will vote for whatever way increases her chances for reelection.

Fallback plan of course is to use ACORN in New Orleans to manufacture votes if all else fails.

Maybe Vlad can comment, but I can swear that when she first got elected my mom told me she saw a piece on the news where some ‘voter’ was pissed off. She was to be paid $25 for voting for Landrieu and she voted for her three times but only got $25 instead of $75.

]]> By: janis http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/2009/08/28/landrieu-caucus-grows-raucous-not-reserved-in-reserve/#comment-1136 janis Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:41:23 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/?p=732#comment-1136 So would that fall under the category of "comity" or "bipartisanship"? Neither may be appropriate for this situation technically, but both words end up describing the same end result as what you call for: Clueless Fail. So would that fall under the category of “comity” or “bipartisanship”? Neither may be appropriate for this situation technically, but both words end up describing the same end result as what you call for:

Clueless Fail.

]]> By: izoneguy http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/2009/08/28/landrieu-caucus-grows-raucous-not-reserved-in-reserve/#comment-1135 izoneguy Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:25:15 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/?p=732#comment-1135 <p><object width="490" height="280"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/dk8Ayn9as2k&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&color1=0x5d1719&color2=0xcd311b&border=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/dk8Ayn9as2k&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&color1=0x5d1719&color2=0xcd311b&border=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="490" height="280"></embed></object></p>

]]> By: Moe Lane http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/2009/08/28/landrieu-caucus-grows-raucous-not-reserved-in-reserve/#comment-1134 Moe Lane Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:13:11 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/?p=732#comment-1134 ...that the people who have been selected, assembled, programmed, outfitted, transported, delivered, provisioned, and displayed by the Democratic party in support of its agenda are as legitimate as the people who were sufficiently upset over health care rationing to grab some posterboard and a magic marker. Put another way: they ARE fake and illegitimate. Worse, they're line items. …that the people who have been selected, assembled, programmed, outfitted, transported, delivered, provisioned, and displayed by the Democratic party in support of its agenda are as legitimate as the people who were sufficiently upset over health care rationing to grab some posterboard and a magic marker.

Put another way: they ARE fake and illegitimate. Worse, they’re line items.

]]> By: izoneguy http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/2009/08/28/landrieu-caucus-grows-raucous-not-reserved-in-reserve/#comment-1133 izoneguy Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:12:03 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/?p=732#comment-1133 There's not? <p><object width="445" height="364"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/yxna9SfmBgs&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&color1=0x5d1719&color2=0xcd311b&border=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/yxna9SfmBgs&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&color1=0x5d1719&color2=0xcd311b&border=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="445" height="364"></embed></object></p> <p><object width="445" height="364"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/obS_I7ZUHMg&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&color1=0x5d1719&color2=0xcd311b&border=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/obS_I7ZUHMg&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&color1=0x5d1719&color2=0xcd311b&border=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="445" height="364"></embed></object></p> <p><object width="445" height="364"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/aO5u7D8Rnis&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&color1=0x5d1719&color2=0xcd311b&border=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/aO5u7D8Rnis&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&color1=0x5d1719&color2=0xcd311b&border=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="445" height="364"></embed></object></p> There’s not?

]]> By: Martin Knight http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/2009/08/28/landrieu-caucus-grows-raucous-not-reserved-in-reserve/#comment-1132 Martin Knight Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:03:14 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/?p=732#comment-1132 Otherwise I agree with you. Otherwise I agree with you.

]]> By: seandparnell http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/2009/08/28/landrieu-caucus-grows-raucous-not-reserved-in-reserve/#comment-1131 seandparnell Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:55:19 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/?p=732#comment-1131 Sorry, but there's absolutely nothing fake about citizens showing up at this or any other Town Hall meeting to voice their opinions, regardless of whether they were encouraged to attend by a labor union, the White House, FreedomWorks, Americans For Prosperity, AARP, the local right to life chapter, or anybody else. The notion that there's something fake and illegitimate about the people showing up to Town Hall meetings, on either side of the debate, is frankly noxious. Please give them the basic respect you want those who agree with you to receive. Sean Parnell President Center for Competitive Politics http://www.campaignfreedom.org Sorry, but there’s absolutely nothing fake about citizens showing up at this or any other Town Hall meeting to voice their opinions, regardless of whether they were encouraged to attend by a labor union, the White House, FreedomWorks, Americans For Prosperity, AARP, the local right to life chapter, or anybody else.

The notion that there’s something fake and illegitimate about the people showing up to Town Hall meetings, on either side of the debate, is frankly noxious. Please give them the basic respect you want those who agree with you to receive.

Sean Parnell
President
Center for Competitive Politics
http://www.campaignfreedom.org

]]> By: Steph C http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/2009/08/28/landrieu-caucus-grows-raucous-not-reserved-in-reserve/#comment-1130 Steph C Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:22:45 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/?p=732#comment-1130 in my becoming more active in politics. I don't live in LA but I have in laws down that way. I think she has been walking a very fine line since Katrina, even if the MSM (my new name for them is: Mired in Sludge Media) whitewashed Democratic perfidy in the debacle. in my becoming more active in politics. I don’t live in LA but I have in laws down that way.

I think she has been walking a very fine line since Katrina, even if the MSM (my new name for them is: Mired in Sludge Media) whitewashed Democratic perfidy in the debacle.

]]> By: Vladimir http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/2009/08/28/landrieu-caucus-grows-raucous-not-reserved-in-reserve/#comment-1129 Vladimir Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:20:57 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/?p=732#comment-1129 By: RedBeard http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/2009/08/28/landrieu-caucus-grows-raucous-not-reserved-in-reserve/#comment-1128 RedBeard Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:00:13 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/?p=732#comment-1128 ...is a refreshing change, even if it had to be dragged, kicking and screaming, to the truth. …is a refreshing change, even if it had to be dragged, kicking and screaming, to the truth.

]]> By: bags64 http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/2009/08/28/landrieu-caucus-grows-raucous-not-reserved-in-reserve/#comment-1127 bags64 Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:43:23 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/vladimir/?p=732#comment-1127 and puts them first, she'll not support Obamacare, or any of its derivatives. time will tell. and puts them first, she’ll not support Obamacare, or any of its derivatives.

time will tell.

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