AGW: Making Up the “Science” as We Go Along?


Do you ever get the feeling that the proponents of Anthropogenic Global Warming are just winging it?

The mildest conclusion I can draw from the following sequence of news reports is that there is a heck of a lot of science that remains to be done on the subject of global warming, the carbon cycle, and the complex interactions between the atmosphere, the oceans and the biosphere. There’s enough that we don’t know that it is impossible to justify risking enactment of the permanent economy-crippling measures that have been proposed.

Science makes falsifiable hypotheses and conjectures. A religion has articles of faith. My skepticism about the AGW is based on the fact that it is more religion than science. I have yet to see a Global Warming proponent define a set of conditions or circumstances that could cause them to abandon the theory.

Exhibit 1 (Sept. 4, 2005), as blogged about <a href=”http://archive.redstate.com/blogs/vladimir/2007/apr/24/for_peats_sake_worlds_largest_carbon_footprint_revealed”>here</a>: <a href=”">Burning peat bogs add to global warning</a>

<blockquote>Peat bogs set on fire to clean rainforests in Indonesia are releasing up to a seventh of the world’s total fossil fuel emissions in a single year.

Susan Page, of Leicester University in England, said an area the size of Belgium has been cleared and burned in the past eight years, the Daily Telegraph reported Saturday. …

“This situation will only worsen. Although human-activated burning rates have slowed in the last three years, the cleared areas are easily ignited during droughts,” said Page. “These occur naturally every three to seven years and will continue to make the problem worse for years to come.”</blockquote>

Exhibit 2 (Nov. 6, 2008):<a href=”http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-11/hu-gwp110608.php”> Global warming predicted to hasten carbon release from peat bogs</a>

<blockquote>Billions of tons of carbon sequestered in the world’s peat bogs could be released into the atmosphere in the coming decades as a result of global warming, according to a new analysis of the interplay between peat bogs, water tables, and climate change.

Such an atmospheric release of even a small percentage of the carbon locked away in the world’s peat bogs would dwarf emissions of manmade carbon, scientists at Harvard University, Worcester State College, and the Japan Agency for Marine-Earth Science and Technology write in the current issue of the journal Nature Geoscience.

“Our modeling suggests that higher temperatures could cause water tables to drop substantially, causing more peat to dry and decompose,” says Paul R. Moorcroft, professor of organismic and evolutionary biology in Harvard’s Faculty of Arts and Sciences. “Over several centuries, some 40 percent of carbon could be lost from shallow peat bogs, while the losses could total as much as 86 percent in deep bogs.”

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Exhibit 3 (Dec. 10, 2008): <a href=”http://www.newkerala.com/topstory-fullnews-56995.html”></a>

<blockquote>The burning [of peat bogs] may have the beneficial side effect of enhancing carbon sequestration in the bogs, according to Worrall and Gareth Clay, also of Durham University.

When the vegetation growing on top of peat bogs burns, some of it turns into black carbon charcoal. The charcoal can sink into the murky depths where it is preserved.

According to a report in <a href=”http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/12/05/peat-bog-carbon.html”>Discovery News</a>, in a computer simulation, the researchers found that if controlled burns were applied to optimize this process, the bogs could absorb 20 to 30 percent more carbon than when they were left to grow naturally.

“The key is that only the top heather vegetation can be burned – what we call a ‘cool burn.’ Once you start burning down into the litter and soil, all bets are off. It’s definitely a carbon source,” Worrall said.

There’s also a risk that a burn could get out of control and turn into a wildfire, devastating the peat.

“This is kind of an up and coming idea,” said Andrew Zimmermann of the University of Florida. “Making what is called ‘biochar’ to enhance carbon sequestration has potential to be used all over the world,” he added.</blockquote>

Computer models:  Garbage In, Garbage Out. They are only as good as the underlying science, and they cannot begin to model the complexity of earth systems, especially when that science is imperfectly understood.

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Well Vladimir they have to make it up as they go along..

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Thursday, December 18th at 9:48AM EST (link)

it is how they do the weather everyday…..I see it was going to be high 50′s and sunny today in VA on Monday it is 37 and cloudy today in VA….yesterday it showed snow on Sunday today it shows rain on Sunday and I suspect in the end it will be sunny and in the 50′s on Sunday.

These idiots think that the public buys their crap when WE know that WE can tell the weather just as good as the weather people by going to the window in the morning and seeing for ourselves what WE have in store for the day! These loons cannot get the next day correct BUT we are supposed to believe they know what will happen in the next 5 years? “the sky is falling”…tools!

 

I want my Global Warming Back!

Achance (Diary) Thursday, December 18th at 10:47AM EST (link)

It’s been about a week now with temps in the single digits and low teens and I’m sick of it! It’s a balmy 5 above at just after six AM and I’m wondering just how badly I want today’s paper from about fifty feet from the front door. Definitely too cold to do the usual run out there in bathrobe and slippers.

It’s not unusual to get a cold spell like this and even colder, but they’re usually in January or February, December is usually snowy and sometimes rainy and foggy; a white Christmas is not guaranteed here by any means. Life goes on when it is cold but it gets harder and things go more slowly. Here in Juneau, 10 above is sort of a breakpoint where you begin to have to deal with it being “cold.” In Anchorage, where construction is somewhat more to Arctic standards and all vehicles have engine heaters, life goes on normally down to about ten below or a little colder. In Fairbanks, people begin to notice at 40 below. But nevertheless, things start to work less well and take a lot more care. Even though they both have synthetic oil and fresh batteries, both cars need to be started and warmed up at least twice a day. You have to be very careful with heater settings or you build up moisture inside the car which then freezes all the locks, the windows, and all the weatherstrip around the doors. Everybody has a battery charger in their garage and jumper cables in their vehicle.

This is the time of year when I start thinking about why I’m still here. There’s only about six hours of daylight and because I’m at the foot of a good sized mountain I only get direct sunlight starting at a little before noon and it’s completely dark by a little after three. I guess it’s good that there’s not a seat to be had leaving either ANC or JNU between now and Christmas or I might go out to the airport and do something rash; if I took the night plane to Seattle, I could be lying on the beach in Puerto Vallarta by four pm tomorrow!

In Vino Veritas

 

Here's a different view

woodsman (Diary) Thursday, December 18th at 11:16AM EST (link)

from the Madison, WI newspaper no less…

http://www.madison.com/wsj/topstories/318978

And, here is the title to the article: If not for us, it would be very, very cold, University of Wisconsin-Madison study says

Perhaps science is starting to win the battle from the people who depend on Global Warming for a living (or Nobel Prizes, cough, cough Mr. Gore).

 

Vegas got snow

MGamo (Diary) Thursday, December 18th at 12:15PM EST (link)

Nothing warms me like seeing palm trees covered in snow in Vegas. Worst storm in 30 years, people are saying. Looks like we need to churn up the CO2.

“A man who never quits is never defeated.” – Fred D. Thompson

 

HTML sucks

Steve Maley (Diary) Thursday, December 18th at 12:26PM EST (link)

More links:

Steve Maley (Diary) Thursday, December 18th at 12:31PM EST (link)

November 11, 2004: Indonesian Peat Fires May Fuel Global Warming, Experts Say

December 5, 2008: Discovery News: For Carbon Storage, Burn the Bogs?

The blogger formerly known as ‘Vladimir’.

 

If it snows in South Florida this year...

RJD (Diary) Thursday, December 18th at 1:47PM EST (link)

New Orleans, Vegas, Malibu. What’s next?

The midwest is starting to get snow and the northeast has gotten ice – but that’s more or less expected.

It even snowed in Houston last week

JustLeaveMeAlone (Diary) Thursday, December 18th at 2:28PM EST (link)

Enough to cover the still unrepaired roofs from Hurricane Ike — for a few hours, anyway.

Of course, it’s 75 degrees right now ….

“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson

 
 

I'm sure they are already backtesting

zuiko (Diary) Thursday, December 18th at 2:38PM EST (link)

And modifying their models to “predict” this cooling and somehow connect it to our abuse of the earth mother by heating our homes and driving our cars.

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. – Milton Friedman

 

Even more absurd than the way that the evidence is being handled

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, December 18th at 3:27PM EST (link)

is the idea that we either enact Plan X, which will deep six the economy but save us all, or perish. It’s the same sort of idea-making that brought about such vaunted successes as the TARP plan.

Oh, you mean that *wasn’t* a success?

I’ll try again: FDR’s National Recovery Act?

Oh, that didn’t work either? Well, I’m sure that it would have worked with the right people. They just weren’t smart enough.

/snark

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

That's called a false dilemma.

kyoufuu (Diary) Friday, December 19th at 8:32AM EST (link)

And it’s a logical fallacy. Unfortunately I think it’s one that I missed in my diary on global warming and logical fallacies.

“There are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.” — James Madison

“I swear by my life, and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.”