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Lee Siegel is an eminent cultural critic. I admit to being unsure what a “cultural critic” actually is, or how one ascends to the profession, but I do know that Lee Siegel knows. In this capacity, he writes for The New Republic and The Daily Beast. He writes about things cultural, including RedState.

And he gets things badly wrong.

Here’s how RedState began, according to Lee Siegel:

Go to Redstate and you might be forgiven for thinking Republicans were still in charge … [Erick] Erickson, a native Louisianan and former lawyer who lives in Macon, Georgia, sets the deceptively moderate tone. A Macon city councilman and a church deacon, he started the Web site in 2004, running it out of a coffee shop.

No. This is not just an error, it’s an error born of sheer laziness, and as such, is quite nearly unforgivable. Here’s how RedState actually started:

  • Sometime in March 2004, I posted at the now-defunct Tacitus.org that conservatives should get together and form their own online community hub.
  • I e-mailed the post to Ben Domenech with the suggestion that we create it together.
  • Ben Domenech suggested that Mike Krempasky would be indispensable to the effort.
  • On July 16th, 2004, Ben Domenech, Mike Krempasky and I launched RedState.org. That’s not a typo — the .com came later.

  • Sometime shortly thereafter — I forget exactly when — Erick Erickson became a regular. I resigned my leadership position in the site in mid-2005, and left it altogether that autumn. (Which makes me the Wozniak of RedState, I suppose: present at the creation, and deserving of no credit for its greatness now.) You know the rest: the site has grown, and frankly, under Erick’s leadership, it’s more relevant and huge now than I ever hoped for. Bravo for that.

    But a coffee shop in Macon, Georgia? Where did Lee Siegel get that?

    Unfortunately, it’s pretty obvious. Erick Erickson likes to work on RedState at a coffee shop in his hometown. When journalists write about him, he’s generally photographed there. Here’s one. And here’s another. It’s rather likely that Siegel saw these pictures, and/or their accompanying descriptions, and concluded that bloggers and blogs are where they began. Et voila, RedState’s founding is retold with all the veracity of a John Kerry war story.

    A minor point? Well, sure. And yes, I admit it’s a bit annoying on a personal level: like the forgotten Jacob Friedrich Brodbeck, it would be nice to have credit for the idea. Vastly more important, though, is correcting the record for its own sake. RedState matters — and that’s fully a credit to those who run it now — and so its history matters too. Erick Erickson is attacked by the left now because they imagine that if they bring him down, they bring down RS too. They won’t, but even if they did, they’re wrong. RedState is Erick, yes. RedState is also you. RedState is also Ben. RedState is also Mike. And just a little, it’s also me.

    And we’re not going away.


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    And RS user "chuckdevore."

    Joshua Trevino (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 9:53PM EST (link)

    I’m not going to ding Siegel for missing that one. If he knew, it would mean he understood the movement and site he was writing about — and that’s not in the cards!

    We are but warriors for the working-day.

    I'm not going to ding that moron for that one either

    E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 10:43PM EST (link)

    Unless “kicking him in the junk” is considered “dinging”.

    Kill the Terrorists
    Protect the Borders
    Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO

     

    That one was amazing.

    Jeff Emanuel (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 12:06PM EST (link)

    I’m entirely used to the Erick-as-founder media myth. The “RS contributor ‘chuckdevore’” bit was just ridiculous.

    What a lazy writer.

    JE

     
     

    I've been in the DC area too long.

    Moe Lane (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 10:05PM EST (link)

    My first impulse was to look for my name. I mean, hello – user number #6 (or was it #8?)! I cruelly ban people and dance on the ashes! Heck, I blogrolled the Daily Beast on my personal site! What am I, chopped liver?

    But yeah. Josh gave me my shot both here and at Tacitus, so… blame him, I guess.

    You founded Obsidian Wings.

    Joshua Trevino (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 10:07PM EST (link)

    There is no forgiveness.

    We are but warriors for the working-day.

    Moe has no recollection of that site

    Erick Erickson (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 10:30PM EST (link)

    He knows nothing.

    It’s kind of like with Leon and Swords Crossed.

    BTW, this post reads like a “where babies come from” talk.

    Who will stand on either hand and keep this bridge with me?

    Man, Swords Crossed

    MikeG (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 8:53AM EST (link)

    That one sure jogs the memory.

     
     

    You learn something new every day. -nt-

    Brian Simpson (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 11:17PM EST (link)


    | My RedState archive |
    Important principles may and must be inflexible. ~ Abraham Lincoln

     
     

    Account numbers

    Neil Stevens (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 11:54PM EST (link)

    The user number order is preserved in RS 4, however RS 4′s #1 and #2 appear to be later admin accounts added by RS 2 and RS 4, bumping everyone up two. So adjusting for that…

    Josh/Tacitus 2, Krempasky 3, Ben/Augustine 4, Moe Lane 9, Paul Cella 10, Kevin Holtsberry 11, TCrown 12, and those are the only names I recognize in the first 25.

    That makes me 4521. Our most recent registration is 76199.

    RS contributing editor, technical administrator, and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
    Read the RedState Posting Rules

    Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.

    “I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder

    Excellent.

    Moe Lane (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 12:32AM EST (link)

    I knew that it was top ten, at least.

     

    Oh and this is actually on topic

    Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 1:17AM EST (link)

    Erick: 869.

    RS contributing editor, technical administrator, and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
    Read the RedState Posting Rules

    Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.

    “I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder

    It would be nice to have our # in our profile.

    gekster (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 1:51AM EST (link)

    You ‘ve got me ciurious now as to my own

    They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
    If they need more voters,
    then they have to make more of who they are for.

    We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
    We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
    Erick Brockway

    Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

    Might be fun

    Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 2:15AM EST (link)

    I suspect it’d confuse a lot of people though.

    RS contributing editor, technical administrator, and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
    Read the RedState Posting Rules

    Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.

    “I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder

    registration #.

    gekster (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 2:19AM EST (link)

    They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
    If they need more voters,
    then they have to make more of who they are for.

    We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
    We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
    Erick Brockway

    Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

     

    Yeah, we could be like the Communist Party

    MikeG (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 8:51AM EST (link)

    and issue little cards too! ;-)

    But not like the Nazis

    Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 1:56PM EST (link)

    They added two digits to their numbers to hide how small they were at first.

    RS contributing editor, technical administrator, and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
    Read the RedState Posting Rules

    Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.

    “I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder

     
     

    I'M NOT A NUMBER - I'M A FREE MAN!

    spim Monday, March 29th at 1:22PM EST (link)

    and not even #6

    sorry – couldn’t help myself with the ref
    (I promise to severely limit my off-topic silly posts)

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

    Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 1:54PM EST (link)

    #49180, please come see me at the green dome.

    RS contributing editor, technical administrator, and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
    Read the RedState Posting Rules

    Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.

    “I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder

     

    I don't get the reference

    Raven (Diary) Saturday, August 13th at 11:48AM EST (link)

    enlighten me?

    “If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
    Luke 22:36

    Unless I am greatly mistaken ...

    acat (Diary) Saturday, August 13th at 11:59AM EST (link)

    This should answer your question. (starting around 2:30 so be patient)

    The Prisoner

    Mew

    ——
    self-portrait

    “All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost”. –Tolkein

     
     
     

    Wasn't it in the user profile at one point?

    acat (Diary) Saturday, August 13th at 12:02PM EST (link)

    I know “registration date” was still there when I arrived…

    Mew

    ——
    self-portrait

    “All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost”. –Tolkein

     
     
     
     

    What's my number?

    Joshua Persons (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 12:17PM EST (link)

    I’m sure it’s up there somewhere …

    Formerly jpers36
    NARF

    401 (nt)

    Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 1:54PM EST (link)

    RS contributing editor, technical administrator, and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
    Read the RedState Posting Rules

    Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.

    “I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder

     
     

    Since you have access

    Raven (Diary) Saturday, August 13th at 11:46AM EST (link)

    Where does this bird fly in the list? Surely I wasn’t That late to the party…

    “If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
    Luke 22:36

     
     
     

    Josh, humble as you are

    Loren Heal (Diary) Sunday, March 28th at 11:57PM EST (link)

    you fail to realize how influencial your periodic, or rather aperiodic, postings have been.


    Join the Concord Project, and follow @lheal, if you dare.

     

    well done, Josh

    streiff (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 12:23PM EST (link)

    from #846 (or something very near that)

    “What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”

    781 (nt)

    Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 1:55PM EST (link)

    RS contributing editor, technical administrator, and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
    Read the RedState Posting Rules

    Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.

    “I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder

     
     

    good to see ya Josh

    Ender (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 1:57PM EST (link)

    and hope you are doing great.

    “To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it.” AR

     

    Just sloppy

    Ben Domenech (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 7:53PM EST (link)

    Thanks for correcting the record, Josh.

    Only you and I know the secret fourth member who was in attendance at that first meeting, whose identity will be forever shrouded by the mists of time.

     

    Hey, I know Mr. Fourth Guy, too

    Mike Krempasky (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 8:39PM EST (link)

    What is this, Old Home week?

    Joshua Persons (Diary) Monday, March 29th at 8:47PM EST (link)

    Good to see ya, Krempasky.

    Formerly jpers36
    NARF

     

    And here I thought

    Ben Domenech (Diary) Tuesday, March 30th at 4:12PM EST (link)

    They brainwashed you after the raid.

     
     

    I thought the Creation Myth went like;

    hickorystick (Diary) Wednesday, March 31st at 11:06AM EST (link)

    Erick arrived out of the primordial mist at the bow of a boat, with a bloodstained axe. The Lib-serfs at the town walls quaked in dread, and cried to be saved, but they had no God to pray to.

    Well, Erick's ancestry is Nordic...

    aesthete (Diary) Saturday, August 13th at 2:04PM EST (link)

    nt

    The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton