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		<title>By: Finrod</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/towdogincal/2009/10/10/games-leftists-play/#comment-664</link>
		<dc:creator>Finrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just tell them positive news from Iraq, or that Barack Obama has already decided to not run for re-election in 2012, or that Rupert Murdock is buying ABC (or NBC or CBS).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just tell them positive news from Iraq, or that Barack Obama has already decided to not run for re-election in 2012, or that Rupert Murdock is buying ABC (or NBC or CBS).</p>
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		<title>By: tyrrellmcallister</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/towdogincal/2009/10/10/games-leftists-play/#comment-663</link>
		<dc:creator>tyrrellmcallister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hypothesize that they would torment leftists if they could do it as easily as they&#039;re tormenting these military families.  But the malicious are also often lazy, and I can&#039;t think of a way that they could so easily torment a leftist qua leftist.  (Maybe calling them and telling them that their kid *joined* the military ;).  But even that wouldn&#039;t work, because it doesn&#039;t have the superficial plausibility that these calls to military families have.)

But I&#039;m still not making a supposition without evidence.  The only assumption I&#039;m making is that malicious people don&#039;t need a motive to be malicious.  The pain they cause is its own reward, as far as their concerned.  I&#039;m surprised that that&#039;s a controversial assumption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hypothesize that they would torment leftists if they could do it as easily as they&#8217;re tormenting these military families.  But the malicious are also often lazy, and I can&#8217;t think of a way that they could so easily torment a leftist qua leftist.  (Maybe calling them and telling them that their kid *joined* the military <img src='http://www.redstate.com/towdogincal/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> .  But even that wouldn&#8217;t work, because it doesn&#8217;t have the superficial plausibility that these calls to military families have.)</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m still not making a supposition without evidence.  The only assumption I&#8217;m making is that malicious people don&#8217;t need a motive to be malicious.  The pain they cause is its own reward, as far as their concerned.  I&#8217;m surprised that that&#8217;s a controversial assumption.</p>
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		<title>By: Finrod</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/towdogincal/2009/10/10/games-leftists-play/#comment-662</link>
		<dc:creator>Finrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re hypothesizing that these types of folks would torment leftists as well.  Fine, show me some evidence of that; without evidence all you have is a supposition, you don&#039;t even have motive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re hypothesizing that these types of folks would torment leftists as well.  Fine, show me some evidence of that; without evidence all you have is a supposition, you don&#8217;t even have motive.</p>
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		<title>By: DONTTREADONME</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/towdogincal/2009/10/10/games-leftists-play/#comment-661</link>
		<dc:creator>DONTTREADONME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 02:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and I appreciate that you acknowledged my anecdotes.</description>
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		<title>By: tyrrellmcallister</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/towdogincal/2009/10/10/games-leftists-play/#comment-660</link>
		<dc:creator>tyrrellmcallister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing is, many, many people need no motive to be malicious.  In particular, they need no political motive.  I would guess that nearly all people who make malicious prank phone calls do so with no motive other than the pleasure they get from causing others pain.  They&#039;re not thinking about politics or foreign policy.

If someone&#039;s motive is pure malice, then they don&#039;t care about who their victim is.  I would bet that these callers would be just as happy to torment a leftist, if they could only think of such an easy surefire way to cause him such pain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing is, many, many people need no motive to be malicious.  In particular, they need no political motive.  I would guess that nearly all people who make malicious prank phone calls do so with no motive other than the pleasure they get from causing others pain.  They&#8217;re not thinking about politics or foreign policy.</p>
<p>If someone&#8217;s motive is pure malice, then they don&#8217;t care about who their victim is.  I would bet that these callers would be just as happy to torment a leftist, if they could only think of such an easy surefire way to cause him such pain.</p>
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		<title>By: JadedByPolitics</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/towdogincal/2009/10/10/games-leftists-play/#comment-659</link>
		<dc:creator>JadedByPolitics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know he is a moby because I saw you SMACK him on another comment and looked at his commenting history saw this one and well you know how I feel about our HERO&#039;S in the military and I am not going to let someone downplay what the nasty, hateful left are doing to our fine men and women without a little feedback...heh :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know he is a moby because I saw you SMACK him on another comment and looked at his commenting history saw this one and well you know how I feel about our HERO&#8217;S in the military and I am not going to let someone downplay what the nasty, hateful left are doing to our fine men and women without a little feedback&#8230;heh <img src='http://www.redstate.com/towdogincal/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Finrod</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/towdogincal/2009/10/10/games-leftists-play/#comment-658</link>
		<dc:creator>Finrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The story clearly indicated that this is not the first time this has happened, so this particular incident being shown to be an accident instead of malice doesn&#039;t prove anything.  DTOM himself has personal experience with two such incidents.

Let me put it this way: suppose a liquor store in a bad neighborhood gets robbed, repeatedly.  If it was just one robbery, then it might not have anything to do with the bad neighborhood; it could have been a random stranger.  But when it starts happening repeatedly, it stops being a random occurrence and becomes much more likely to be one or more punks from the bad neighborhood being the culprit.

If this kind of incident was isolated, then yeah it might be some random anarchist behind it (however, let me note that anarchist-types, when they do vote, almost always vote Democrat or some lefty-based third party).  Frequency however points to those with a motive, namely leftists, who have the obvious motive of wanting to destroy military morale.  It&#039;s not notarized proof, but if cops were investigating this, good ones would start checking the leftists first.

You can keep playing verbal games if you want, but the rest of us aren&#039;t willing to excuse likely leftist behavior for this kind of crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The story clearly indicated that this is not the first time this has happened, so this particular incident being shown to be an accident instead of malice doesn&#8217;t prove anything.  DTOM himself has personal experience with two such incidents.</p>
<p>Let me put it this way: suppose a liquor store in a bad neighborhood gets robbed, repeatedly.  If it was just one robbery, then it might not have anything to do with the bad neighborhood; it could have been a random stranger.  But when it starts happening repeatedly, it stops being a random occurrence and becomes much more likely to be one or more punks from the bad neighborhood being the culprit.</p>
<p>If this kind of incident was isolated, then yeah it might be some random anarchist behind it (however, let me note that anarchist-types, when they do vote, almost always vote Democrat or some lefty-based third party).  Frequency however points to those with a motive, namely leftists, who have the obvious motive of wanting to destroy military morale.  It&#8217;s not notarized proof, but if cops were investigating this, good ones would start checking the leftists first.</p>
<p>You can keep playing verbal games if you want, but the rest of us aren&#8217;t willing to excuse likely leftist behavior for this kind of crap.</p>
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		<title>By: penguin2</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/towdogincal/2009/10/10/games-leftists-play/#comment-657</link>
		<dc:creator>penguin2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW keivan, bringing leftist talking points doesn&#039;t hold out around here.  Your side always gets it wrong when thinking we aren&#039;t smart enough to figure you guys out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW keivan, bringing leftist talking points doesn&#8217;t hold out around here.  Your side always gets it wrong when thinking we aren&#8217;t smart enough to figure you guys out.</p>
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		<title>By: JadedByPolitics</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/towdogincal/2009/10/10/games-leftists-play/#comment-656</link>
		<dc:creator>JadedByPolitics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The left are a hateful group of malcontents who take great pleasure out of the SUFFERING of the military and the reason would be they are to SPINELESS to fight themselves so they attempt to bring down those who do!

OBTW you are correct about one thing.....you are a pompous new guy and your time will be short I do suspect!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The left are a hateful group of malcontents who take great pleasure out of the SUFFERING of the military and the reason would be they are to SPINELESS to fight themselves so they attempt to bring down those who do!</p>
<p>OBTW you are correct about one thing&#8230;..you are a pompous new guy and your time will be short I do suspect!</p>
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		<title>By: tyrrellmcallister</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/towdogincal/2009/10/10/games-leftists-play/#comment-655</link>
		<dc:creator>tyrrellmcallister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DONTTREADONME, you write, &quot;seriously, if it walks like duck, quacks like a duck, its a duck.&quot;  The callers quack like malicious phone pranksters.  Most malicious phone pranksters aren&#039;t politically motivated.  So, without specific evidence, we should assume that these callers, like most malicious callers, aren&#039;t politically motivated.

You also write, &quot;this tactic is used by the extreme anti-war groups&quot;.  Do you have any specific evidence of that?  Not evidence that malicious callers have used this lie (as happened to your brother-in-laws family), but evidence that they were politically motivated to do so?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DONTTREADONME, you write, &#8220;seriously, if it walks like duck, quacks like a duck, its a duck.&#8221;  The callers quack like malicious phone pranksters.  Most malicious phone pranksters aren&#8217;t politically motivated.  So, without specific evidence, we should assume that these callers, like most malicious callers, aren&#8217;t politically motivated.</p>
<p>You also write, &#8220;this tactic is used by the extreme anti-war groups&#8221;.  Do you have any specific evidence of that?  Not evidence that malicious callers have used this lie (as happened to your brother-in-laws family), but evidence that they were politically motivated to do so?</p>
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		<title>By: keivan</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/towdogincal/2009/10/10/games-leftists-play/#comment-654</link>
		<dc:creator>keivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not discount your troubling personal experiences....but they have no bearing on my comment about the misleading and incorrect title of the diary.

Of course  I am just the pompous new guy.-but  cheer up-I could be worse you know...I could be BrooksRob and spend 10 paragraphs lecturing you, instead of writing one sentence noting that I have seen many many many &quot;coherent, logically defensible&quot; arguments here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not discount your troubling personal experiences&#8230;.but they have no bearing on my comment about the misleading and incorrect title of the diary.</p>
<p>Of course  I am just the pompous new guy.-but  cheer up-I could be worse you know&#8230;I could be BrooksRob and spend 10 paragraphs lecturing you, instead of writing one sentence noting that I have seen many many many &#8220;coherent, logically defensible&#8221; arguments here.</p>
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		<title>By: DONTTREADONME</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/towdogincal/2009/10/10/games-leftists-play/#comment-653</link>
		<dc:creator>DONTTREADONME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 04:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my brother-in-laws wife received a telephone call at home saying that he was killed in a roadside bomb in Iraq, when confronted with the obvious he wasn&#039;t dead because she just got off the phone with him, the person hung-up caller ID came up 000-000-0000.  BTW, it probably had something to do with him on TV w/ name two weeks before heading into theater.  A Marine who was injured in theater that I work with had the same thing done to him after he was hit by a roadside bomb in a HMMWV.  These are not the military calling as stated the policy does not allow for that.  Anyway, go ahead and write me off as anecdotal and without a conviction; therefore, it probably was a right-wing extremist per the DHS assessment like myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my brother-in-laws wife received a telephone call at home saying that he was killed in a roadside bomb in Iraq, when confronted with the obvious he wasn&#8217;t dead because she just got off the phone with him, the person hung-up caller ID came up 000-000-0000.  BTW, it probably had something to do with him on TV w/ name two weeks before heading into theater.  A Marine who was injured in theater that I work with had the same thing done to him after he was hit by a roadside bomb in a HMMWV.  These are not the military calling as stated the policy does not allow for that.  Anyway, go ahead and write me off as anecdotal and without a conviction; therefore, it probably was a right-wing extremist per the DHS assessment like myself.</p>
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		<title>By: DONTTREADONME</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/towdogincal/2009/10/10/games-leftists-play/#comment-652</link>
		<dc:creator>DONTTREADONME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 04:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this tactic is used by the extreme anti-war groups.  It is no mistake that we jump on this every time we hear about it, regardless of the mistakes that are made in reporting it.  If you have to ask, then you my friend are too young to remember &#039;91 or panama.  

BTW, your pompous &quot;coherent, logically defensible argument to be made&quot; comment is quite contradictory.  But heh, you&#039;re not the arbiter of logic.  So hows your first day going?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this tactic is used by the extreme anti-war groups.  It is no mistake that we jump on this every time we hear about it, regardless of the mistakes that are made in reporting it.  If you have to ask, then you my friend are too young to remember &#8217;91 or panama.  </p>
<p>BTW, your pompous &#8220;coherent, logically defensible argument to be made&#8221; comment is quite contradictory.  But heh, you&#8217;re not the arbiter of logic.  So hows your first day going?</p>
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		<title>By: keivan</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/towdogincal/2009/10/10/games-leftists-play/#comment-651</link>
		<dc:creator>keivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 04:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it actually WAS the result of an unfortunate and tragic mistake by the military. So the CBS headline was correct.

So you actually do not have any logic to your argument at all.

Look , I don&#039;t want to come here and be the logic police, but I have read Redstate long enough to expect coherent, logically defensible arguments  to be made. Just don&#039;t see it here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it actually WAS the result of an unfortunate and tragic mistake by the military. So the CBS headline was correct.</p>
<p>So you actually do not have any logic to your argument at all.</p>
<p>Look , I don&#8217;t want to come here and be the logic police, but I have read Redstate long enough to expect coherent, logically defensible arguments  to be made. Just don&#8217;t see it here.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Mullins</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/towdogincal/2009/10/10/games-leftists-play/#comment-650</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Mullins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 04:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: keivan</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/towdogincal/2009/10/10/games-leftists-play/#comment-649</link>
		<dc:creator>keivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 04:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the title of the diary clearly implied that there was a proven link between leftists and the despicable behavior described therein.  
ILGlock 21 actually proved the diarist to be wrong in his assertion. 

Posting a diary with without such proof, and then being proved wrong  clearly undercuts the credibility of the diarist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the title of the diary clearly implied that there was a proven link between leftists and the despicable behavior described therein.<br />
ILGlock 21 actually proved the diarist to be wrong in his assertion. </p>
<p>Posting a diary with without such proof, and then being proved wrong  clearly undercuts the credibility of the diarist.</p>
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		<title>By: DONTTREADONME</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/towdogincal/2009/10/10/games-leftists-play/#comment-646</link>
		<dc:creator>DONTTREADONME</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>seriously, if it walks like duck, quacks like a duck, its a duck.  Obviously, if you have known any better, the left tends to employ tactics like this just like you are going to claim I am racist because I think 0bama has a very limited understanding of the world..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seriously, if it walks like duck, quacks like a duck, its a duck.  Obviously, if you have known any better, the left tends to employ tactics like this just like you are going to claim I am racist because I think 0bama has a very limited understanding of the world..</p>
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		<title>By: tyrrellmcallister</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/towdogincal/2009/10/10/games-leftists-play/#comment-645</link>
		<dc:creator>tyrrellmcallister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took the title &quot;Games Leftists Play&quot; to imply that the prank calls were known to have been made by leftists.  That seems to be what Brockway was imagining when he wrote the following: 

&quot;My suggestion to those merry pranksters on the left; as you sit at St. Arbucks sipping your lattes, scratching your too cool wannabe goatees, and pecking at your Mac Books to compose you Hate Bush thesis, cut down on the caffeine before some stupid idea like the above occurs to you and you end up the one who’s family gets a phone call…

…from the Coroner.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took the title &#8220;Games Leftists Play&#8221; to imply that the prank calls were known to have been made by leftists.  That seems to be what Brockway was imagining when he wrote the following: </p>
<p>&#8220;My suggestion to those merry pranksters on the left; as you sit at St. Arbucks sipping your lattes, scratching your too cool wannabe goatees, and pecking at your Mac Books to compose you Hate Bush thesis, cut down on the caffeine before some stupid idea like the above occurs to you and you end up the one who’s family gets a phone call…</p>
<p>…from the Coroner.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: E Pluribus Unum</title>
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		<dc:creator>E Pluribus Unum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re quite content with it just like it is.  Turds.</description>
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		<title>By: E Pluribus Unum</title>
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		<dc:creator>E Pluribus Unum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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