Just a fun-loving bunch, aren’t they?
From a Gold Star mom;
It was a nasty evil thing to do back during the Vietnam war. People would call families claiming to be the military and tell their son had been killed and the family would later find it was a lie. Mental and emotional abuse and torture of the worse kind. Well what once was old is new again… but still just as evil and heartless. Only this time the media is being compliant.
Calls are being made to families and the words no family with a soldier wants to hear are uttered ” We regret to inform you”… Only to find out their soldier is alive and well. It’s done to break morale and inflict injury on the families. Not only that but on our troops also. Now instead of our soldiers being able to completely focus on their mission they have the burden of worrying about something like this happening to their loved ones who are suppose to be safe at home.
She’s referring to this story via CBS News. Notice the headline.
Military Wrongly Told Dad Soldier-Son Died
(AP) Military officials say they’re investigating why an upstate New York man was told his son had been killed in Afghanistan when the soldier was alive and well.Ray Jasper of Niagara Falls says he was camping Sunday when he received a call on his cell phone from a woman who said she was a military liaison. He says the woman told him his son, Staff Sgt. Jesse Jasper, was killed in action Saturday.
The father says he later called military officials to get details of his son’s death and was told that his son is alive. Ray Jasper says the officials couldn’t explain the earlier call.
The father says his son called from Afghanistan and said he would talk to his commanding officers about the call reporting his death.
First, as anybody with a Google search capability could tell you, the military does not notify next of kin by phone.
From the US Army’s own guide (my bolding);
b. The Army’s policy is to make personal notification to the primary next of kin (PNOK) and secondary next of kin (SNOK) of the deceased soldier within 4 hours after notification of the death. Notification should take place during the hours from 0600 to 2200 local time unless otherwise directed. The time limits established for notification may have to be adjusted due to distances involved or other conditions, such as adverse weather. All attempts will be made to notify the PNOK first, if your efforts to contact the PNOK are unsuccessful, then contact the Casualty Area Command (CAC), immediately for guidance.
It’s the one of the hardest jobs anyone in the military will be called upon to do. Various movie accounts show the telegram arriving from the War Department with “We regret to inform you…”, some even delivered by distraught cab drivers.
The cinematic scenes makes it all so much easier to believe that someone on base would simply pick up the phone, and call some soldier’s father to pass on the bad news, especially at CBS News. But they don’t exactly have the best history of checking facts, do they?
Mom goes on;
Another version of these calls is to tell you your loved was wounded.. usually these call request a verification of the soldier’s social security number and then the soldier’s identity is stolen. If these people are not oblivious to the family’s suffering they are just as evil.
These types of calls and attacks on the families of our troops are terrorism in themselves. I am getting very angry and sick of the abuse put up on our troops and their families…
Stranger than even the phone games they play, is one that I can’t even wrap my mind around from October 2008, Via Blackfive from Clarksville, Tennessee;
FORT CAMPBELL, KY– On Thursday, October 30, a military family member reported two men pretending to be a casualty notification officer and chaplain visited her home and falsely notified her that her deployed Soldier had been killed.
The man impersonating the notification officer was wearing a Class A “dress green” uniform and the other was wearing civilian clergy attire.
This is the part I can’t conceive, it occurred on base;
There have been a few incidents of this nature in the past two months involving family members living off post, but Thursday’s incident occurred on post. The spouse did not allow the pair into her home and when they left contacted the Family Readiness Support Assistant and Rear Detachment Commander to confirm the information. The command let her know her spouse is still alive and worked to put him in contact with her as soon as possible. Military police were notified and a police report was taken at the scene.
Again, my bolding for emphasis; “…a few incidents of this nature…”? As in, this goes on all the time, but finally it made the news.
As War On Terror News suggests;
While these seem to be isolated incidents, many go unreported and there is a need for families to become proactive in combatting the grisly acts of the perpetuators. Families should first *know* that the Military will never give this bad news over the telephone. The Military will always report it in person.
If a family member receives such a phone call, one should immediately go into investigative mode. Write down the number from Caller ID. Ask for the name and number of the caller. Keep the person on the line as long as possible. Call your telephone provider and report the malicious call and ensure the phone company records the information from the caller for a police report, immediately after the call. Record as much information as you can about the caller on paper or computer file (many phones have a text notes function) to include the voice patterns and any dialects of the voice you can identify. Then call the police and military with the information you have.
If the caller has falsely identified themselves as a member of LE or the Military, there are additional charges that can be filed against them. The bottom line is that the malicious call is itself a crime
If it seems that this is a pet issue of mine, it is because I know of (and considered to be an isolated incident) a case where a teenage daughter in High School received a text message from an untraced number stating “Your dad is dead” one day before he was killed. It wasn’t clairvoyance. It wasn’t ESP. It wasn’t a prophecy. It was simple meanness that coincided with his sacrifice.It went unreported. Catch these people if they attempt to victimize you.
My suggestion to those merry pranksters on the left; as you sit at St. Arbucks sipping your lattes, scratching your too cool wannabe goatees, and pecking at your Mac Books to compose you Hate Bush thesis, cut down on the caffeine before some stupid idea like the above occurs to you and you end up the one who’s family gets a phone call…
…from the Coroner.
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These ghouls probably believe in peace
johnt Saturday, October 10th at 11:38PM EST (link)except when they believe in war. Because people who would do this don’t qualify as pacifists. Rest assured, they will always find the right, to them, enemy.
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This is about the sickest thing I've ever heard
clowngirl (Diary) Saturday, October 10th at 11:42PM EST (link)I hope whatever creeps are involved are caught and imprisoned very soon.
Absolutely revolting
TNJim (Diary) Saturday, October 10th at 11:53PM EST (link)I must be as mad about it as you are Erick because I had to correct 3 mistakes in a two word comment title. These ghouls will stop at nothing to demoralize the military families of this country. I don’t care if they’re trying to force Obama’s hand in Afghanistan or not, this is despicable. Whoever did this needs a good ___-kicking before being turned over to the law enforcement officials.
Those of you who have loved ones in the service or know of those who do, please take note of the procedures Erick outlined that the military has in place for notifying PNOK and SNOK.
And I thought those fools calling or emailing people about a problem with their bank account and wanting to take info over the phone were trash…
Yeah, last time...
Erick Brockway (Diary) Sunday, October 11th at 12:58AM EST (link)…we deployed the families all were thoroughly briefed on “What if the unthinkable…”
They know, but in a moment of panic, with a loved one’s heart in their throats, they freak first.
Who’d get a sick thrill out of that?
Conservative?
No……
Consequences. Hippies from the 60s in charge everywhere.
Pent-up frustration maybe that Aids killed their “Free Love” lifestyles, and it rubbed off on their evil spawn.
Sigh.
Yep, I’m still mad I guess!
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Why would you assume that these are people on the left doing these acts?
dt (Diary) Saturday, October 10th at 11:59PM EST (link)It seems to me that these are likely depraved criminals doing this to steal identities or to get their depraved kicks. What makes you believe that politics had anything to do with these acts?
Welcome back to earth.
NightTwister (Diary) Sunday, October 11th at 12:04AM EST (link)Apparently, you’ve been gone for the past eight years.
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because thats what people on the left do
gekster (Diary) Sunday, October 11th at 12:27AM EST (link)Like burning up SUV’s to save the earth.
Knocking over radio towers to save animals.
Terrorising inocent families to change policies.
what depraved criminal called to say your son is dead and doesnt want any info back.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
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Wow
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Sunday, October 11th at 12:38AM EST (link)They are indeed depraved criminals. And there’s leftists. Democrats. Socialists. America-haters.
Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO
They're not there's -nt
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Sunday, October 11th at 12:38AM EST (link)Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO
Well, check this
Erick Brockway (Diary) Sunday, October 11th at 12:53AM EST (link)This just today at the Wounded Warrior bicycle event.
Think the attitudes aren’t out there?
A Facebook group calling itself “Soldiers Are NOT Heroes” recently had to change it’s name to “Do you believe Soldiers are heroes? A mature discussion” because they were getting trashed.
Sure, some sick profiteering dimwits out there are calling for SSNs to steal identities, but what exactly do you believe the profit motive is in calling somebody’s dad to fake a call that their son was KIA?
How about dressing up and visiting the family at home?
I give up…
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Politics has everything to do with it.
Steph C (Diary) Sunday, October 11th at 7:35AM EST (link)Whether it’s individual or group politics these people are doing it for a reason.
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Thanks for bringing this to our attention, Erick B.
penguin2 (Diary) Sunday, October 11th at 12:14AM EST (link)The leftists have always pretended they have the high moral ground in being anti-war and all for peace, but they are really immoral demons when they do this vile stuff. To them, the end justifies the means.
And to dt above, there is a long history of anti-war extremists doing these kinds of deeds, dating well back to the Viet Nam War. They certainly didn’t do it then for identity theft.
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This is awful...
discerningconservative (Diary) Sunday, October 11th at 12:19AM EST (link)I cannot believe that someone would actually do this. I sure would like about 20 minutes alone with the people making these calls… God bless the brave men and women serving in our Armed Forces, this is one thing that they should NEVER have to worry about.
Well we live in world of sick people
Richard Mullins (Diary) Sunday, October 11th at 12:23AM EST (link)but thankfully we can prosecute them on a number of crimes.
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Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.
If I ever come across somebody who says they did something like that
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Sunday, October 11th at 12:32AM EST (link)then I will deal with them. They will not enjoy it, and it will not be over quickly.
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Live tweet it.
Loren Heal (Diary) Sunday, October 11th at 1:46AM EST (link)“And now I am filing motion for extended discovery. And now I am listing the names of all the Democrat Party officials who were complicit.”
That’s what you meant, right?
For some reason, I got the image of EPU pulling the wings off a fly.
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E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Monday, October 12th at 10:30AM EST (link)Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO
Does anyone think the AP really CARES that it got that headline terribly, terribly wrong?
smagar (Diary) Sunday, October 11th at 12:35AM EST (link)No, I didn’t think so.
“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
Me either
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Monday, October 12th at 10:33AM EST (link)They’re quite content with it just like it is. Turds.
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Just the kind of thing
UpLateAgain (Diary) Sunday, October 11th at 2:16AM EST (link)that Westboro Baptist Church (the A/Hs that cheer the death of soldiers at military funerals) members would do. I wonder if they are being looked-at for this.
They may have the legal right to stage their depraved demonstrations at funerals, but this would most definitely would be illegal and could get the ghouls put away.
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Thanks Erick for the story
toni100 (Diary) Sunday, October 11th at 6:49AM EST (link)I knew this had been happening but I thought now that the ‘Messiah’ became the supreme commander the Left now supports the military and it’s families. You made the mistake of questioning their patriotic support which only the Left is allowed to do.
It is interesting to find out there is a new level of depravity for the deranged left in attacking a Wounded Warrior on a friggin’ bike ride with a vehicle. The leftard was probably wearing a black hood like all of their marxist extremists friends in the world like to do whether they be Islamists, anarachists or eco terrorists.
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Oh, this problem is simple to solve, give the name, address and photo of the caller to the father.
archer52 Sunday, October 11th at 7:57AM EST (link)Behavioral modification. It is a wonderful tool to change the attitude and performance of animals, children, and even troublesome adults. Modification comes in many different forms. For example, you can spray a dog which is misbehaving with water to correct its bad habits. Children can be grounded. Over at Gatewaypundit, they had a long running debate on the merits of tying a a man to a flag pole as a lesson about how burning the American flag is a bad thing. Regardless of your opinion, I can guarantee, being duct taped to a pole with a sign around your neck telling everyone what you did will modify your behavior, far better than a mist of water to the face!
So, how do we correct the person who called the father? Hmmm…. Well, first let us have the Military CID do the work and find the person responsible for the call. Get their name, address and photo. Then meet with the father of that soldier, or maybe have that soldier sent back to the U.S. for a R&R and give the information to both of them.
Then close the file, step back and see what happens. I am almost one hundred percent sure serious behavioral modification will take place. It may resemble a scene from the SAW series, but I’ll guarantee when finished, the person who made that call will have a severe and adverse reaction to every touching a phone again! In fact, I’ll be willing to bet, before the doctors could perform surgery, that person would be able to pass gas and dial numbers at the same time… if you know what I mean.
Sometimes slapping people with fines, or publicly exposing them to humiliation isn’t enough (you must possess a conscience to be humiliated. The act alone proves that person doesn’t.) There are lines that get crossed that laws cannot handle. No fine will ever replace or repair that moment of abject horror the father felt.
Veteran cops get that. If the guy was found at the bottom of a ravine below a bridge and I worked the case, it would go something like this:
“Hey, isn’t that the guy who makes phone calls to parents of soldiers saying they were dead?”
“Yep.”
“Hmmm… I thought maybe this was a homicide. But, now I see it was an accident.”
“How’s that!”
“Well, it is obvious. This here fella was going bungie jumping. He picked a nice high bridge, a good long drop, but he forgot one piece of equipment.”
“What equipment?”
“The bungie. Silly fool, should have prepared better.”
When you determine your own moral code
Right_Again (Diary) Sunday, October 11th at 8:01AM EST (link)everything you do is moral. These subhumans have convinced themselves that this is the just thing to do. They answer only to their own moral code.
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Military SNAFU not Leftists this time...
IL_Glock21 (Diary) Sunday, October 11th at 9:36AM EST (link)Apparently the unit liason was notifying families of the unit of a death of another soldier but screwed up the script: http://www.wtop.com/?nid=104&sid=1763121
Looks like they’re going to change the scripts though to avoid this kind of horrible mistake in the future though:
The other yahoos who were intentionally screwing with military families should end up in prison for a dern long time though. This lady (apparently a wife of a soldier deployed in the same unit) just screwed up though it seems, as opposed to being some deranged military hating leftist.
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Straw that broke the camel's back
Erick Brockway (Diary) Sunday, October 11th at 4:58PM EST (link)Yeah, well if the first one is explained the rest remain.
We’re going to be watching this stuff closer now.
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Agreed, but...
IL_Glock21 (Diary) Sunday, October 11th at 10:26PM EST (link)…in spite of the other incidents and the need to keep an eye out for future ones, it might be a good idea to put a disclaimer on the first story. People will be rightfully angry over the depiction that the press originally released with the ambiguity on who was responsible. If this was an honest mistake by a fellow military family member as the later reports say, then she certainly doesn’t deserve all of the anger misdirected at her.
Having personally known the sheer dread of ever hearing such news herself, she probably already feels horrible enough about it without being mistaken for being totally evil too.
The other yahoos deserve all the disgust and hatred coming to them, not to mention prison sentences.
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There were stories during
anotherindyfilmguy (Diary) Sunday, October 11th at 1:52PM EST (link)both the last two Gulf Wars of fakers using the dressed up in person method to gain access for home invasions.
Scum like this are oxygen thieves.
If the in person notification happens to your family you should be prepared to call the MPs (or police if not on base) and have them stop by your home to “check the credentials” of the “notifiers” for safety reasons. It should be step number one if notified in person unless you personally know the notifier (such as a real Chaplain who would be one of the people sent etc).
Santorum? Well, at least he’s not Romney…
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Where is the evidence?
tyrrellmcallister Monday, October 12th at 8:17AM EST (link)Where is the evidence that these prank calls are politically motivated? People have been known to make malicious phone calls for reasons that have nothing to do with politics.
Not the calls, the reporting
mustango (Diary) Monday, October 12th at 10:00AM EST (link)The politically-motivated aspect of this is how CBS’s headline writer jumped to the conclusion that the incident was the fault of “the military”, rather than some sick individual.
“I just miss — I miss being anonymous.” — Barack Obama
I fully sympathize, Mr. President. I miss you being anonymous too.
Irresponsible headline-writers aren't "merry pranksters"
tyrrellmcallister Monday, October 12th at 4:41PM EST (link)I took the title “Games Leftists Play” to imply that the prank calls were known to have been made by leftists. That seems to be what Brockway was imagining when he wrote the following:
“My suggestion to those merry pranksters on the left; as you sit at St. Arbucks sipping your lattes, scratching your too cool wannabe goatees, and pecking at your Mac Books to compose you Hate Bush thesis, cut down on the caffeine before some stupid idea like the above occurs to you and you end up the one who’s family gets a phone call…
…from the Coroner.”
are you really that thick...
DONTREADONME (Diary) Monday, October 12th at 4:53PM EST (link)seriously, if it walks like duck, quacks like a duck, its a duck. Obviously, if you have known any better, the left tends to employ tactics like this just like you are going to claim I am racist because I think 0bama has a very limited understanding of the world..
I think your are right
keivan Tuesday, October 13th at 12:13AM EST (link)the title of the diary clearly implied that there was a proven link between leftists and the despicable behavior described therein.
ILGlock 21 actually proved the diarist to be wrong in his assertion.
Posting a diary with without such proof, and then being proved wrong clearly undercuts the credibility of the diarist.
Not all ducks are leftists
tyrrellmcallister Tuesday, October 13th at 1:35AM EST (link)DONTTREADONME, you write, “seriously, if it walks like duck, quacks like a duck, its a duck.” The callers quack like malicious phone pranksters. Most malicious phone pranksters aren’t politically motivated. So, without specific evidence, we should assume that these callers, like most malicious callers, aren’t politically motivated.
You also write, “this tactic is used by the extreme anti-war groups”. Do you have any specific evidence of that? Not evidence that malicious callers have used this lie (as happened to your brother-in-laws family), but evidence that they were politically motivated to do so?
Hey, troll beat it and leave now. -nt-
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Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.
But as proven in the comments above..
keivan Tuesday, October 13th at 12:42AM EST (link)it actually WAS the result of an unfortunate and tragic mistake by the military. So the CBS headline was correct.
So you actually do not have any logic to your argument at all.
Look , I don’t want to come here and be the logic police, but I have read Redstate long enough to expect coherent, logically defensible arguments to be made. Just don’t see it here.
yes, but if you really want the low-down...
DONTREADONME (Diary) Tuesday, October 13th at 12:50AM EST (link)this tactic is used by the extreme anti-war groups. It is no mistake that we jump on this every time we hear about it, regardless of the mistakes that are made in reporting it. If you have to ask, then you my friend are too young to remember ’91 or panama.
BTW, your pompous “coherent, logically defensible argument to be made” comment is quite contradictory. But heh, you’re not the arbiter of logic. So hows your first day going?
For the record...
DONTREADONME (Diary) Tuesday, October 13th at 12:57AM EST (link)my brother-in-laws wife received a telephone call at home saying that he was killed in a roadside bomb in Iraq, when confronted with the obvious he wasn’t dead because she just got off the phone with him, the person hung-up caller ID came up 000-000-0000. BTW, it probably had something to do with him on TV w/ name two weeks before heading into theater. A Marine who was injured in theater that I work with had the same thing done to him after he was hit by a roadside bomb in a HMMWV. These are not the military calling as stated the policy does not allow for that. Anyway, go ahead and write me off as anecdotal and without a conviction; therefore, it probably was a right-wing extremist per the DHS assessment like myself.
DTOM...Sigh...
keivan Tuesday, October 13th at 1:14AM EST (link)I do not discount your troubling personal experiences….but they have no bearing on my comment about the misleading and incorrect title of the diary.
Of course I am just the pompous new guy.-but cheer up-I could be worse you know…I could be BrooksRob and spend 10 paragraphs lecturing you, instead of writing one sentence noting that I have seen many many many “coherent, logically defensible” arguments here.
There is NOTHING misleading about the title of this diary...tool!...
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Tuesday, October 13th at 9:07AM EST (link)The left are a hateful group of malcontents who take great pleasure out of the SUFFERING of the military and the reason would be they are to SPINELESS to fight themselves so they attempt to bring down those who do!
OBTW you are correct about one thing…..you are a pompous new guy and your time will be short I do suspect!
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penguin2 (Diary) Tuesday, October 13th at 9:29AM EST (link)BTW keivan, bringing leftist talking points doesn’t hold out around here. Your side always gets it wrong when thinking we aren’t smart enough to figure you guys out.
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Hey penquin....
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Tuesday, October 13th at 2:20PM EST (link)I know he is a moby because I saw you SMACK him on another comment and looked at his commenting history saw this one and well you know how I feel about our HERO’S in the military and I am not going to let someone downplay what the nasty, hateful left are doing to our fine men and women without a little feedback…heh
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noted...
DONTREADONME (Diary) Tuesday, October 13th at 10:30PM EST (link)and I appreciate that you acknowledged my anecdotes.
The exception proves the rule
Finrod (Diary) Tuesday, October 13th at 11:34AM EST (link)The story clearly indicated that this is not the first time this has happened, so this particular incident being shown to be an accident instead of malice doesn’t prove anything. DTOM himself has personal experience with two such incidents.
Let me put it this way: suppose a liquor store in a bad neighborhood gets robbed, repeatedly. If it was just one robbery, then it might not have anything to do with the bad neighborhood; it could have been a random stranger. But when it starts happening repeatedly, it stops being a random occurrence and becomes much more likely to be one or more punks from the bad neighborhood being the culprit.
If this kind of incident was isolated, then yeah it might be some random anarchist behind it (however, let me note that anarchist-types, when they do vote, almost always vote Democrat or some lefty-based third party). Frequency however points to those with a motive, namely leftists, who have the obvious motive of wanting to destroy military morale. It’s not notarized proof, but if cops were investigating this, good ones would start checking the leftists first.
You can keep playing verbal games if you want, but the rest of us aren’t willing to excuse likely leftist behavior for this kind of crap.
Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?
Many need no motive for malice
tyrrellmcallister Tuesday, October 13th at 5:00PM EST (link)The thing is, many, many people need no motive to be malicious. In particular, they need no political motive. I would guess that nearly all people who make malicious prank phone calls do so with no motive other than the pleasure they get from causing others pain. They’re not thinking about politics or foreign policy.
If someone’s motive is pure malice, then they don’t care about who their victim is. I would bet that these callers would be just as happy to torment a leftist, if they could only think of such an easy surefire way to cause him such pain.
So show us some leftists getting similar calls
Finrod (Diary) Wednesday, October 14th at 11:31AM EST (link)You’re hypothesizing that these types of folks would torment leftists as well. Fine, show me some evidence of that; without evidence all you have is a supposition, you don’t even have motive.
Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?
The malicious need no motive, but they're often lazy
tyrrellmcallister Wednesday, October 14th at 1:18PM EST (link)I hypothesize that they would torment leftists if they could do it as easily as they’re tormenting these military families. But the malicious are also often lazy, and I can’t think of a way that they could so easily torment a leftist qua leftist. (Maybe calling them and telling them that their kid *joined* the military
. But even that wouldn’t work, because it doesn’t have the superficial plausibility that these calls to military families have.)
But I’m still not making a supposition without evidence. The only assumption I’m making is that malicious people don’t need a motive to be malicious. The pain they cause is its own reward, as far as their concerned. I’m surprised that that’s a controversial assumption.
It's easy to torment leftists
Finrod (Diary) Thursday, October 15th at 3:25PM EST (link)Just tell them positive news from Iraq, or that Barack Obama has already decided to not run for re-election in 2012, or that Rupert Murdock is buying ABC (or NBC or CBS).
Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?