On the way to work Friday afternoon I caught this exchange* between Rush and “Kathy in Kansas City”. She described an encounter between herself and a specialist she was referred to about her carpal tunnel syndrome. Kathy is a nurse and lawyer and she was referred to this guy by her primary care physician. Somehow they got to talking about capital punishment and the conversation went downhill from there. She was so put off by the comments the doctor was making she asked for her treatment to be stopped and told him she was filing a complaint. The key part of Kathy’s call was this:
CALLER: Well, I’ll tell you outright exactly how it went because I immediately burst in and said, “Well, but, you know, there is the dignity of every individual human life.” I said, “When somebody is sentenced to death we want to be really, really sure that they are guilty,” and I said it’s like with, you know — I didn’t know he was for Obamacare, so I said it’s like with abortion, with individual babies, or with, you know, older people. He broke in and that’s where he said the thing about capital punishment and how we shouldn’t even really bother too much about it, there shouldn’t even be such a long appeal process because not only criminals, he said, but people who are useless in society, said it’s really clear to me for some time that they should just be, quote, put out of the way. I brought up the mammographies, none until you’re 50 years of age, at which point he told me it’s true that a lot of young women would probably die or have breast cancer and it would go undiagnosed, he said, but, you know what, I’m originally from Canada, so I really like that model because we really can’t give such great care as we give, we have too many MRIs floating all over the place. I said to him, “Look, I understand.” I said, “I’m a lawyer for tort reform, I don’t want doctors practicing defensive medicine.” He said, “But that’s not enough. We just have to realize that people cannot get this great care they think they’re entitled to.”
Let me emphasize:
He said, “But that’s not enough. We just have to realize that people cannot get this great care they think they’re entitled to.“
Now this doctor was originally from Canada, you know, that country to the north of us that has such a great health care system. The country whose health care system is held up as a model for what ours should be. The country whose health care system was rejected by one of their own provincial premieres who came to the United States for his heart surgery.
The conversation went on:
CALLER: Well, I don’t know why he’s for it. He kept saying that he was from Canada and how great Canada was. I asked him, “Well, how come you’re practicing here?” No answer.
RUSH: Wait. If he’s talking about how great Canada is then goes on to cite, yeah, we don’t waste care on people that don’t need it, we don’t give mammograms, I mean people aren’t entitled to all the coverage they want, they just think they’re going to get it for nothing, but they’re not. That’s exactly what happens in Canada.
CALLER: Exactly. He was perfectly clear, and he was totally cool with that. I can’t tell you what it feels like to be flat on your back, you know, they’ve got these different needles in you when you’re getting an EMG and you’re kind of a captive audience and I started to realize with such horror that that was how he was treating me. And he was true to his word. Because when I had come in he said, “I’m reading the thing from your doctor, I’m sure that you need to have the surgery, both sides,” he said, but at the end he became very angry with me because I had shot his arguments all to pieces. I told him about Zeke Emanuel saying how the problem with our care system is that doctors take the Hippocratic Oath too seriously.
Kathy left without paying the guy and later called his office requesting they not bill her or her insurance company. It’s a good thing she did that now because if ObamaCare™ isn’t repealed she probably wouldn’t be able to do that.
Ed Morrissey has a collaborative piece at Hot Air. Read the NYT article he links to. Saying no is what the elites want. If this plan will somehow magically reduce the deficit, then saying no, and often, will of course be the way in which they will try to make it happen. Kathy’s specialist seemed to want to wait until she was nearly crippled with carpal tunnel, saying he just didn’t see the “numbers” he needed to treat her, especially after she challenged him.
If Kathy’s experience with this Canadian doctor is indeed the future of ObamaCare™, I say no thanks. But if this health care deform doesn’t get repealed, it well may be a bureaucrat saying no, or “I just don’t see the numbers I need” rather than a transplanted specialist who, even though he seems to love Canada’s system, chose to come to the U.S. to practice medicine. By the way, he never did answer Kathy when she asked him why he came here, if he thought Canada’s system was so great. Maybe Canada’s health care bureaucracy wouldn’t let him make the money he thought he should be making, hmmm?
Stick around, Doc. If ObamaCare™ isn’t repealed, you’ll soon be in the same boat. Or worse.
*Please note links to transcripts from Rush’s show on the guest page become inactive a week from the date they are posted.
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Kathy! RUN, do not walk from that quack.
mikerazar (Diary) Saturday, April 10th at 5:33AM EST (link)If my doctor said those things, I would fire him/her. I want my doctor to take it as a personal challenge to give the best available treatment to every patient. And I take it as a personal challenge to allow the doctor to be paid the full value of those treatments, not to be second-guessed by some government hack (redundant).
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JadedByPolitics (Diary) Saturday, April 10th at 7:34AM EST (link)to OUR health care is going to be one long disastrous experience. I will say though that those of US who work hard and make decent money from OUR work can go to those GALT doctors
Americans are quite adaptable and there will be a way around these IDIOTS but for the rest of OUR fellow Americans who cannot pay cash to see a doctor will be the reason WE FIGHT TO REPEAL THIS ATROCITY!
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TNJim, this is a good reason for everyone to find a relative....
penguin2 (Diary) Saturday, April 10th at 2:06PM EST (link)who knows something about health care, as in nursing, medicine, etc. We need to be self-educated anyway, and these days it is fairly easy to do with the availability of the Internet.
Because that is what it is going to come down to. People need to know their lab results, X’rays and other tests they have. I hope folks already do this – your records are yours to have copies of. None of this just doing what the doctor tells you; know why you take medication or treatment. Now, more than ever, self-knowledge and taking responsibility for our own care, will help us survive in the Obama era.
And Jaded, I am already figuring a system of bartering will be useful….Lord knows, though, we need to get this bill repealed.
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I thought it was pretty cool that Kathy
TNJim (Diary) Saturday, April 10th at 5:37PM EST (link)was a lawyer and a nurse. She clearly had her ducks in a row when she challenged him. But self-knowledge may not help you if this is not repealed. As Rush pointed out toward the end of the call:
Bureaucrats don’t care about knowledge you may have, or the willingness of a doctor to treat you. They only care about the bottom line, the paperwork, the process in which the system grinds ever so slowly along. I wouldn’t be surprised if not one medical professional would be among those bureaucrats, or if there are it would be someone like this guy Kathy saw.
Speaking of Kathy being a lawyer, she said later some of her friends and colleagues asked her about the bill, so she went and read it. Among several shocking things in it she found was this:
If this thing is not repealed, this Canadian guy should feel right at home here the way the system will “work”. He may not make much money, but who cares if the system “works”?
Unbelievable.
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penguin2 (Diary) Saturday, April 10th at 6:08PM EST (link)dispense, TNJim. Obama and his Leftist are outright lying to the people. As your example just noted, there are going to be “guidelines” that keep people from getting the optimal care they need. The government picking up the tab, will drive everything into the economic management of one’s health, not the medical management.
I guess I am still in the mode of thinking informed patients can do so much more for getting optimal care. There is an irony in this: those that are the most vulnerable in our society, will be hurt the most by these measures. The Dems “care” for their victim groups, is nothing but empty words. Right now the elderly are facing Medicare cuts that they certainly didn’t expect. This is cumulative and ongoing. No the future is bleak with the government running the show. We knew this, tried to tell the people, and the Left took their chance for power. I think I depressed myself all over again with this comment, TNJim. That’s okay, I forgive you. I lose sleep over this stuff.
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Penguin, the informed patients will still have the advantage
TNJim (Diary) Saturday, April 10th at 8:24PM EST (link)I think, but it will be a much smaller one due to the government guidelines, which have no place in a doctor-patient relationship. And you’re right. Te very ones this scheme is supposed to help the most will be hurt the most. The ones that “fell through the cracks” of health care before will, I fear, be joined by many more. But to the elite that’s OK, because the cracks will be created by government, not the eeeeeevil insurance companies.
This Canadian dr. is here so he can make US money
renny (Diary) Saturday, April 10th at 9:23PM EST (link)Canadian and drs. under socialist systems don’t make big medical money the way they do here.
Germany is changing its century-old national system started by Bismarck because it is deficient in specialists: surgeons, ob/gyn’s, pediatricians, oncologists, yadda, because there is no difference in pay after spending years becoming a specialist. So, specialties are going to be able to have private practices, to encourage med students to start providing specialists that GE med care has helped eliminate. Somehow, we NEVER learn for any other nation’s experience.
France has always had a part socialist system, where specialists and research and development are separate. It’s the reason France was still doing original research on the HIV in the 80s and often rivaled US work.
But in general, how often do you hear of a new antibiotic or anti-infective being discovered in Russia? How many new heart procedures were ever developed in East Germany? Even in China whose business sector is running on gonza capitalism momentarily, have you heard of any new caner approaches Chinese drs. have produced?
One huge fault among probably many horrors too numerous to name in our 2070-page law is how new drugs, medical treatments, and surgical techniques will die out. We’ll be like Cuba with its cars all pre-1960, because our cancer protocols will freeze in 2013, even though new discoveries in DNA right now are promising ways to turn off cancer genes or make early diagnosis much easier–BUT IT WILL TAKE IN 5-10 YEARS TO MAKE THE RESEARCH AVAILABLE FOR PRACTICAL USE, when the US will be bogged down in Obamanationcare and a stultified med system.