I’ve had many of those same conversations . . . they are frustrating and quite simply bizarre. I suspect my grade school age children can reason better than some of the die hard Obama supporters I’ve spoken with.

Take Care, mailloux

I have an old Army buddy that is a Northeastern liberal and never left Hawaii after his 10 years serving our country. He and I have the same arguments every time we talk to each other. If I could reach through the phone and smack him I would. This last October, he actually said to me, and I quote, “What’s wrong with a little bit of socialism?”. I am still in shock 4 months later.

“What do you care…?” Says quite a lot by implication. He doesn’t think you care. He thinks he does. He probably thinks there is no remedy for your moral ignorance, so he concludes it would be pointless to reason with you. Meanwhile, you respect his intelligence and so attempt to reason with him and are mystified how he can be so… you hate to say it but… dumb. The problem is that he is a Snob; a liberal Snob.Maybe you could ask him for his thoughts on this:

The Roots of Liberal Condescension

By William Voegeli
From the Claremont Review of Books: Snobbery is the last refuge of the liberal-arts major.

They think that government is one big charitable organization and that taxes are indeed contributions (the reason George Stephanopolos used the term during Clinton I). They believe that government is a benevolent friend and that every service they provide is desperately needed by the huddled masses. They think that government allocates its resources for the ultimate good of the people, and we all ought to be on board.

When you say “Cut taxes” they think “withdraw contributions”. It’s like proposing everyone tithe 4.25% instead of 10% – simply unthinkable. They have a completely and fundamentally skewed view of the role of government, and you have to start from that very foundation if you are to make any progress with them.

When one realizes that they think that way – that nothing of any good or import can be done without the massive intervention of the government, you can see why they cannot understand why in the world you would want to make it smaller. It’s like making the Red Cross smaller, or United Way, or reducing church benevolences.

They firmly believe that the more money spent on something, the better it will get. If it still sucks, the funding was inadequate, not the premise. They have simply cut and pasted the “real” charitable organization model – and their biases in favor of it – onto government.

A long, long row to hoe to flip these people.

ThinkLib, you’re nowhere near being alone in your thoughts.

Don’t even try with Obamabots. Not worth your time, nor anyone’s.

Folks, for me, it’s time to kick back and watch the ‘Bots get deeper and deeper into a hole they’ll never climb from. These folks all need interventions of a Constitutional nature.

In a store just a few hours ago, I actually laughed at a ‘Bot – right in his face….. and it felt good. What got me rolling was this guy actually said he was in awe that Obama beat GWB in the election in November.

I actually stood stunned for a few seconds trying to compute the abject ignorance of this guy, then I really cracked up laughing.

I said that ‘I felt sorry for him in advance’. He didn’t get the meaning. I had to leave the store or I may have tried to enter into a deep discussion with a mental Tribble.

PS… What got the conversation started in the first place? I forgot that I was wearing “the shirt”……….. I had a custom t-shirt made….. “Don’t blame me, I voted for Sarah Palin.”

I don’t think the guy liked me.

These guys have developed the fine art of circular reasoning – and their little lib minds just go round and round and round – saying the same trite things (anyone else sick of “hope and change”?) They have lost the power of reason – the “intellectual elite” that has to push everyone down in order to remain superior. I am constantly reminded of the story of the Emperor’s New Clothes. But I think that maybe people are starting to notice that the Obamessiah is not wearing any clothes.

What Kenny said. You can’t talk to them. At some point reality will hit them but until then, it’s like only the most superficial neurons are firing in their brains.

I don’t even try to talk sense to them. I just agree with them and then extrapolate to the logical next steps, then the next, until they say now wait a minute… that’s not what the intent is… at which point I say “words and actions” and then the conversation stops but the steam coming out their ears lets me know I reached at least a few of those deeper neurons.

At least that has been my experience. On numerous occasions, they have gooten angry, ended the conversation or changed the subject abruptly, even petulantly ran away. Mind you, I have been on my best behavior on these occasions, in an attempt to win them over by reason (as opposed to telling them they were full of crap).

I think part of our failure to communicate is akin to the old Mars/Venus thing. They base a lot of their positions on emotions and idealism, whereas we Conservatives base our positions on reason and empirical evidence. Because of what our positions are based on, we don’t have a problem with exposing our positions to challenge and debate. Liberals, on the other hand, must by necessity guard their positions from the challenges of reason & evidence – for their emotional & idealistice positions are unable to weather the assault of reality.

If higher taxes are truely all that’s needed to save the world, then why not make a donation? There are plenty of millionaire liberals in California, surely there are some that can made do with a smaller mansion for the common good.

They are emotion-driven, which is why they’re easily led, like sheep. They don’t think unless they’re forced to, and even then, one word from their cult leader, or leaders, of the moment is enough to make them stop and toe the line.

I gave up trying to talk to them long ago. The two schools are not compatible and cannot co-exist. As slowly as people on our side of the aisle are waking up to the danger of Obama, it make take a decade for them to accept that. It will come to civil war. When side if fascist and seeks the elimination of the other, the other side must resist to survive, or leave. I have no intention of leaving.

Meanwhile, those who sounded the warning back in Spring 2008 share much with those who warned about Hitler. They weren’t heard, and when they kept speaking, they were silenced. Keep talking, but don’t waste your breath on them.

from those who tout Darwin yet insist on the fittest bailing everyone else out.

It’s all based on emotion