As predictable as the sunrise.
We’ve been saying this for months on the Right. I’ve said it here on several occasions. There is no way to pay for this thing without raising taxes.
So now we have to have a fight over whether a Value Added Tax (VAT) is a tax. Obama is fond of not calling other taxes “taxes”. Let me be clear…it’s a tax.
A VAT is “a general consumption tax for the production and distribution of goods and services, added as a percentage charge based on price that reflects the incremental value added by a given activity.”
In other words, instead of taxing only the finished product, like a pack of gum, the VAT is levied at each earlier stage of production, like manufacturing, assembly, etc.
Each producer pays the tax based on the “value added” to the product at their stage.
Of course, ultimately each level of taxation is built into the cost of the finished product, the pack of gum, and you and I end up paying for it.
That’s a tax no matter how you slice it.
Anyway, the point is that throughout this debate the liberal talking heads have been lying to us about the financial problems ’caused’ by health care spending, thus the need to reform it. It was always about the deficit. They claimed that health care spending was primarily if not exclusively responsible for it. They claimed that only a comprehensive, full-scale reform package would solve the problem.
All knowingly false.
The problem, as always, is unchecked spending. The problem, according to the Honorable Margaret Thatcher, (Happy Birthday Madge), with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money. The problem with spending is that eventually you have to make up the difference. The problem with that is the only way to do it is by raising taxes, or stop spending…but that sure as hell ain’t gonna happen anytime soon.
From Ed’s conversation with Chuck Blahous at the Hudson Institute:
We need either to get serious about tackling rising spending – meaning both Social Security reform, and health reform that reduces rather than expands federal commitments – or the American people are going to be taxed like they’ve never been taxed before.
“Taxed like they’ve never been taxed before.”
That’s what ObamaCare is. That’s the only way it can happen.
We’re entering a world of shit. Gear up.
Russ
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VAT (Value Added Tax) would hurt the poor the most
izoneguy (Diary) Tuesday, October 13th at 6:38PM EST (link)http://definitions.uslegal.com/v/value-added-tax/
In recent years, VAT has been proposed for use in the United States as a way to simplify business and personal income tax laws. Proponents claim that VAT would replace other forms of taxation and reduce the costs of tax compliance. In fact, some people say that adopting VAT would eliminate tax returns for individuals and make the Internal Revenue Service obsolete. On the other hand, opponents argue that VAT would be more complicated to implement than other tax-reform options, such as a national sales tax. They also worry that it would increase the cost of food, medicine, and other necessities, which would hurt the poor.
The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.
How do you make sure a VAT wouldn't increase prices paid by people making less than $250,000/year?
David123 (Diary) Tuesday, October 13th at 6:47PM EST (link)Remember, we elected Barack Obama based on the principle that nobody earning less than $250,000/year was going to pay more taxes.
Maybe we could have two price tags on everything in stores. The higher price would include the VAT and rich people would pay that. You could buy at the lower price if you made less than $250,000/yr.
David123
That is why Pelosi would not call it a VAT
izoneguy (Diary) Tuesday, October 13th at 7:01PM EST (link)But would say it was a gift to help the children.
The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.
Of course
thatsright (Diary) Tuesday, October 13th at 7:06PM EST (link)You can’t sell a tax if you call it a ‘tax’. Liberal redefinition of very simple terms is a virus in many different areas of everyday life.
Pelosi is a a ghoul.
Thanks again.
Russ
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Good point
thatsright (Diary) Tuesday, October 13th at 7:02PM EST (link)Implementation, assuming for the sake of argument Obama holds to that promise, is a whole ‘nother can of worms we’d have to deal with.
The problem is that, like I said, Obama is fond of mislabeling taxes as something else. Unfortunately he can still sell the crap that taxes on business are not taxes ultimately on consumers because people just don’t get basic economics.
Thanks for the Comment David.
Russ
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Ok
thatsright (Diary) Tuesday, October 13th at 7:00PM EST (link)But correct me if I’m wrong, in this instance nobody’s talking about replacing something with the VAT but rather implementing it on top of everything else.
And I don’t know of anyone who can argue that any tax on upper level stages of production won’t increase the cost of everything, thus hurting the poor disproportionately but everyone regardless.
The VAT making the IRS obsolete is just silly. That argument doesn’t even pass the sense test.
Thanks again.
Russ
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The VAT would be slapped on everything like a blanket
izoneguy (Diary) Tuesday, October 13th at 7:05PM EST (link)I just quoted a sentence from this webpage…
http://definitions.uslegal.com/v/value-added-tax/
That is what the politicians do. See how sneaky all of this is.
Of course a VAT would not replace the IRS. The democrats will keep pouring on the taxes and it won’t stop until they are defeated. Going GALT is about the only thing many of us can do. That means less wages, less taxes and less consumption.
The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.
Shamefully sneaky
thatsright (Diary) Wednesday, October 14th at 12:24AM EST (link)Without a doubt.
I don’t know if going Galt is the answer, of even if it’s possible in America today, but the functional equivalent of that practice would be for the wealthy and the producers to simply stop spending money, whether on capital projects for industry or for their own consumption.
Not sure if that’s what you meant, but there’s ample evidence throughout history to support the theory that that is all higher taxes accomplish.
Thanks again Izone.
Russ
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VAT (Value Added Tax) explained
izoneguy (Diary) Wednesday, October 14th at 1:43PM EST (link)The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.
Awesome
thatsright (Diary) Wednesday, October 14th at 3:00PM EST (link)That’s an excellent video. Thank you.
I posted it here: http://www.thats-right.com/rapid-fire-rightness/2009/10/14/video-cffp-explains-the-vat.html
Gave you the hat tip. Hope you don’t mind.
CFP is a great organization. I’m surprised I missed this video.
Russ
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