Yes, another Sarah post. But this post, as usual, is inspired by yet another unwarranted anti-Sarah screed. I am not going to spew venom. I’m just going to state that which should be obvious. First, you state:
Second, peddling a few platitudes and truisms about free markets and limited government is no substitute for really knowing what you’re talking about. Yes, you can talk well about the stuff you know — oil drilling, energy, etc. — but beyond your comfort zone, you fall back on bumper-sticker language that sounds fine to the people who already agree with you but is useless in winning over skeptics.
President Bush had the same problem you do, which is why there’s a hunger for Republicans who can effectively articulate and sell our policies and philosophy. That’s why the wonks have the upper hand. Mitt Romney, Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal and other hands-on types are what the party wants and, frankly, needs.
(Hmmm, “peddling a few platitudes and truisms”. Is there some kind of talking point memo going around because I’m pretty sure Krauthammer and Frum have used that same exact language regarding Palin?)
So a few pundits think the “wonks have the upper hand”. Being a wonk is hardly a practical or winning strategy. That is Poli-Sci 101. We live in a fast paced, restless world. It’s a sound bite culture, where the ten second clip rules. And charisma, speed and brevity are becoming more critical, not less. The political landscape if full of the carcasses of flat, long-winded, wonks with political aspirations.
Didn’t our current president just win by using nothing but a “few platitudes”, as did George W. Bush? The last real wonkish president that we’ve had was Jimmy Carter. I’ll pass.
Also, did I miss something or is Sarah still the Governor of Alaska. You lament the fact she only displays expertise in oil and energy, but what is she suppose to talk about on a national stage? I’m sure she could talk at great length about the indigenous peoples of Alaska or the Dutch Harbor commercial fisheries, but nobody is asking her. Is she receiving daily briefs on the situation in Hondurus? Was she was invited to speak at some national health care consortium? It’s 2009 and she is the Governor of Alaska. She is talking about those things that she should be talking about.
Let me state that I like all three Republicans you cited. But they represent the unknown. Some Republicans posses an almost childlike infatuation with unknown over the known.
This I know is true: if any one of those three ever became a threat to the Obama administration and to the Left’s foundation of identity politics like Sarah has, they will become just as tainted if not more. Don’t you recall the small armies of reporters and investigators flying into Alaska to scour that state for dirt? What do think would have happened to the last great unknown, Mark Sanford, under such scrutiny?
I like the fact the Palin been put through the ringer and has come out not only standing, but swinging. Sarah’s vetted and tough.
Bobby Jindal had one primetime interview and the media turned him into Kenny from 30 Rock. I think Jindal has a bright future, but his one prime time address was hardly impressive. Frankly, he bombed. This is your standard to criticize Sarah. If you recall, Sarah knocked her first two primetime addresses out of the park.
And Mitch Daniels has an “upper hand”? I like him too, but where does he have an upper hand? In South Bend, Indiana? Sarah shows up at a parade in a small town thousands of miles from her home state, waves a flag, and draws a crowd of 20,000. It’s nice that Daniels is impressing the folks over at the Heritage Foundation, but I doubt he has the star power and charisma to go toe to toe with Obama on a national stage.
And like you, I was an early defender of a presidential candidate. I was with Romney when he ran for governor of Massachusetts. Romney has some good qualities, but being a wonk has never helped him on the campaign trail. His stiff, wonkish demeanor has been a liability, not an asset. It’s his wonkish expertise in health care that may actually prove a fatal albatross to his political aspirations.
And you are dead wrong about her appeal. It’s her ability to rally the base AND draw new voters that has the Democrats afraid. I am a bachelor in Boston. I don’t ‘run’ with the base. I see how people outside “Sarah4Prez circles” react to her.
There are college kids, hipsters, young women, working moms, people who work with the disabled; people who normally wouldn’t stop for one second to listen to some crusty, old, white guy with an “R” next to name; but, when Sarah speaks, they stop, they are intrigued, they listen. She may not get them all, but they listen. How can you appeal to voters, when the voters won’t even tune in?
Sarah is a medium into demographics that the Democrats think they own. She could never run for political office again; accept a ten year deal to host a television talk show; become the conservative Oprah; and do more for conservatism than Jindal, Romney, Daniels combined.
You also state:
For starters, every time I see you on TV, you’re whining about unfair press coverage. Don’t get me wrong: Much of it is unfair, and some of it deserves a response. But it’s not presidential. It’s not even gubernatorial. You are constantly taking the bait, taking up the fights your biggest fans want you to take up.
That is just so bad. This is where the base leaves the establishment. Maybe, it’s because you, like your cohorts, fancy yourselves as part of the press now that you’ve had some success. I’m not sure. But for the first time in generations, we have rallied against an agenda driven press that has crippled our efforts for so long. Media bias and educational indoctrination are the two great fights of our time. Without pushback, all political efforts will be lost. We should no longer try to win the favor and respect of a hostile press. Sarah gets that. You don’t.
Maybe she is wonkish after all.
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It's becoming clearer: Sarah is a mobilizer, which is a rare talent
civil truth (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 12:08PM EST (link)She is able to stir passions and get people to get off their butts, come out and pay attention. That is difficult to do in their media-saturated era when people can sit by their computers all day.
And she certainly has stirred the passions of her opponents and gotten them to pay attention, for sure. (I’m referring here to her out-of-state attackers and her national personna – internal Alaska politics is a different ballgame that I’m not addressing here.)
Moblizer is not synonymous with public office, as the skill sets only partially overlap. The biggest divergence is that the moblizer tends to do better on the outside, where their idealism and unconventionality can find expression – the horsetrading and compromises involved in political office tend to neutralize that idealism and appeal of the outsider as the system tries to gobble them up.
(Similarly, prophets don’t make good rulers, usually)
I don’t know her political future, but Krauthammer clearly sees her appeal and recognizes its power – and it scares him because it undermines his assumptions as to who should be the ruling elite.
Ironically, the efforts to discredit Sarah as a politician may turn out to be doing her a favor by accentuating her strengths as a mobilizer.
We’ll see who has the last laugh…
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The Irony of All The Sarah Fanfare
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 12:21PM EST (link)is that it is generated by her enemies. She has some in camp angling for 2012, but most of the news and the efforts of guy like me come only after listening or reading so much garbage like Letterman calling her daughter a whore or losers on the McCain staff throwing her under the bus in some below the belt hit piece.
She is a mobilizer. I just cant sit and let that crap slide.
Correction: Jonah Goldberg here, not Krauthammer
civil truth (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 12:51PM EST (link)Actually, having finally located the original piece, I find it to be a mixed bag. Goldberg does recognize Sarah’s chrisma.
However, he runs off the rails when he accuses Sarah of playing the victim, talking about her “whining about unfair press coverage “. Well I don’t see that at all, and Sarh has never played the victim hitherto, which is why she is called the Saracuda.
What I see is Sarah fighting back, recognizing that what sank Bush was his passivity in the face of attack trying to be “above the fray”.
Unfortunately, Republicans have so long laid down that Jonah can’t recognize that trait and instead interprets that as victim-playing (which never stops the Democrats, by the way from pushing back). Instead, Jonah thinks that the Republicans need to redouble the passive strategy that has been working so well…NOT! That’s the classic definition of insanity.
Jonah, instead of buying into Sarah’s enemies’ interpretation (since no matter what she does, they will fault her), how about just keeping your mouth shut and observing what happens – that is, if you’re open to trying something different to change the ballgame. If she falls on here own, then so be it – but when you do her opponents’ work for them, you’re just stabbing her in the back.
Yes, there is good advice out there for Sarah that she could find helpful. But you don’t help when you let her opponents choose the playing field and set the rules and pick the referees.
Or let me appeal to Republican “niceness” since you seem to advocate that, and remind you of the first rule” “if you don’t have something good to say, don’t say it”. Not that I buy into “niceness” – but if you’re going to play that game, then you need to follow all the rules, not just the ones you find convenient.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
http://www.gmsplace.com/
I caught Jonah Goldberg's article this morning too.
penguin2 (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 12:26PM EST (link)Via Robinson and Long, which usually has a lot of good cross posted articles. Frankly, I was shocked. I have liked Jonah, just got his Liberal Fascism book, but I don’t understand why he was saying what he did about Sarah. How much expertise is she supposed to have? I mean in comparison to some of the other characters we’ve had for president/vice president (past and current).
And to reprimand her for “whining” about the media bias, was flat out insulting. She has been overly gracious and decent about the trash sent her way. In fact, she has handled it with a great, down to earth sense of humor.
Swamp_Yankee, you and others have been peeling away the layers of hypocrisy, condescension and other bad stuff from our own elite GOP establishment. It is not a pretty picture.
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agreed...normally she laughs it off
jazzycmk (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 12:44PM EST (link)The bit with Letterman was one of the few times she directly addressed it, and that was only because he insulted one of her children. She wouldn’t have given him a second thought if he had just been slamming her (frankly, it made my year seeing Letterman groveling to Sarah a week later when the crap hit the fan and he apologized. That had to absolutely kill him. Can’t imagine what he’s saying about her in private now.)
She also addressed the media coverage in the Ziegler documentary (Media Malpractice), and noted that she would be an interested observer of the coverage Caroline Kennedy would be receiving when she threw her hat in the ring for NY Senate. Neither time was she really complaining.
Sarah has taken more hits from the media than anyone in history and she usually rolls with it.
She certainly doesn’t complain as much as Obama who is constantly griping about Fox News. He apparently thinks that actual news coverage, as opposed to being in the tank for him, is unfair.
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Of all of the so-called potential 2012 runners
djemi (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 12:35PM EST (link)Sarah Palin is the only one so far that I actively follow what the so-called ‘Pundits’ are whinning about.
She is indeed a great mobilizer and I would expect that over the next couple of years she will have taken the time to strenghten the areas which the pundits are whinning over, as well
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once again this is a perfet example of the fear I expressed earlier
kyle8 (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 12:37PM EST (link)so I will repeat it.: At some point the attacks move into the public subconscious and no amount of positive information will dislodge the stereotype. In the minds of the swing voters she might already be damaged goods.
At the same time the constant attacks reinforce Palin’s standing with conservatives perhaps beyond where it should be because of feelings of solidarity. Thus Republicans wont look at any other potential candidate, their minds already made up that she is the best.
The result, A candidate that can’t not get nominated, no matter who else is running, and cannot get elected, no matter how bad Obama screws up.
I don’t think she is the savior of the party. She might be, but Goldberg is partially correct. She has a lot more work to do to overcome the impression that she has very limited knowledge.
Her best bet would be to get some sort of radio show or some other forum where she could articulate policy on a variety of subjects.
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They Will Do That To Everyone
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 12:59PM EST (link)Quayle, “It’s the economy, stupid” Bush, W, Palin… The beat goes on. And as I stated, there is a preference for the unknown over the known.
I think the fact she’s been through an election, been thoroughly vetted and taken the heat makes her stronger. Not weaker.
Two weaks ago, Sanford looked good. All potential candidates have weaknesses that will be exploited. All of them will be made to look like fools in the press.
Palin represents a line in the sand with this type of character assassination.
This is more or less where I am on Sarah Palin
exitsfunnel Friday, July 3rd at 1:26PM EST (link)I am essentially neutral to slightly negative on her as a candidate on her own merits and I’m absolutely baffled by the Sarah cult on RedState. I suspect it has something to do with a natural (over) reaction to what really were some horrible personal attacks made against her during and after the last campaign.
In any event, I do think that her supporters are deluding themselves with respect to her electability for national office. I’m too lazy to dig up the numbers, but the collapse of her numbers with independents between the GOP convention and the election was of unprecedented proportions. And while it’s true that the media’s quayling of her had a lot to do with that, it nonetheless is what it is. Quayle was never able to unquayle himself, and I don’t see why Sarah Palin is going to have any better luck.
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Have you looked at her numbers lately?
Vegas_Rick (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 3:37PM EST (link)Things are looking up.
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“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.
Because she was muzzled, and not able to be loosed upon the DBM...
RedWhite_and_Truth (Diary) Monday, July 6th at 11:00AM EST (link)and loosed upon Dear Commie leader Hussein O. When independents are able to hear from her, on a day-to-day basis, unfettered by the hapless McShame team, they will more than likely come away with a different picture of her.
Who else has her gift?
TheSophist (Diary) Monday, July 6th at 1:07PM EST (link)I’m just curious, who else in the GOP has Sarah Palin’s natural gift of connecting with average people, coming across as 100% genuine and authentic on TV (not an easy feat), and her incredible personal story?
My support for Palin has nothing to do with the media’s attacks on her. They have to do with how amazing a politician she is. Frankly, the media’s attacks on her are motivated by the same realization.
The only person on the Right who could threaten the cult of Obama is Sarah Palin. With one soundbite, she managed to deflate Obama’s mystique and expose him for the fakery he is — too bad the McCain team decided she couldn’t overshadow their guy and muzzled her and then tried to destroy her. The soundbite? “A mayor of a small town is sort of like a community organizer, except with real responsibilities.”
Who else could have pulled it off?
Maybe there are dark horses I’m not aware of. I’d like to know who else in the GOP has Sarah Palin’s natural, God-given gifts for politics.
-TS
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Outstanding diary, Swamp, and highly reco'd!
eburke (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 12:45PM EST (link)You have manged to point out the PDS of many of our ‘elite’ without, well, fallng prey to the other side of the equation by presenting Sarah as the second coming of The One.
Great, balanced assessment of what’s going on here, Swamp.
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Yep. Now if she just had some tangible
mbecker908 (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 12:49PM EST (link)performance as Governor to point to.
That's why the second term is so important for her
red_oakster (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 12:58PM EST (link)She needs six years of governing to develop a meaningful legislative record (it’s a weakness for Romney also).
It’s hard to know whether Palin has been using her isolation in Alaska to master her brief on foreign policy and constitutional law. If she hasn’t, she truly has thrown away an opportunity of a lifetime.
I won't support Romney in a primary because
mbecker908 (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 2:02PM EST (link)he was a “one-term wonder”. If Gov. Palin doesn’t run again I wouldn’t support her either. Frankly I’d be ok if she ran and lost on issues as opposed to figuring she either can’t win and doesn’t want to take the loss or would rather spend her time (his time) running for President.
So far as I can see, she’s so far been pretty much all talk and damn little real action. And just so I’m clear, neither the “gas pipeline” or the $23MM or so that she “refused” on constitutional grounds counts for “action”.
well Sarah and Mitt have one thing in common
pilgrim (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 3:27PM EST (link)Breaking news on Fox is that she will not run again for Governor of Alaska,
lol I thought I was going to see both have 5 kids :) nt
mom2oneson (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 3:32PM EST (link)Like Obama's? nt
Vegas_Rick (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 3:37PM EST (link)“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington
“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.
Vegas, there's no question that Gov Palin
mbecker908 (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 7:15PM EST (link)is ten thousand times more qualified to President than Obama. Your average high school student body president is more qualified.
That doesn’t mean we should be turning the country over to her.
Here comes another Palin firestorm:
Achance (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 1:04PM EST (link)http://www.adn.com/palin/story/852044.html
Overarching everything is the fact that abortion is very much a hot button issue here and the AKSC simply will not accept much in the way of limits on it, including parental notification. Abortion was part of the split between Gov. Palin and Sen. Lyda Green and was a subplot in the special sessions last year. It isn’t an issue I much follow so I don’t know all the details but it is always a bedeviling issue. I came under a lot of pressure early in my tenure to take coverage for abortion and birth control out of state employee health insurance. I suggested that the person pressuring me do it and let me know how it turned out; didn’t get much further than that.
First, I don’t know anything much about these two employees. Second, division directors serve at the pleasure of the department’s commissioner who serves at the pleasure of the Governor. Third, when I was a director, if the commissioner had told me to go over and testify about something and I refused, I would go back to the office and start cleaning out my desk if it was something important.
That said, it rarely comes to this and if it does it usually is because the subordinate employee wants to make an issue of it. There were several initiatives during the Murkowski Administration that I disagreed with and said so quite vociferously inside the Administration. Even though they were within my purview, I just didn’t have anything to do with them and the Administration was more or less OK with it as long as I didn’t do anything to work against it.
That is usually the expectation placed on anyone; if you don’t agree, don’t work against the policy. Working against an administration issue will at minimum get you an office with no windows and a seat that flushes and may well get you fired even if you’re a merit system employee. So, there is something else going on here.
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Polling in Alaska on the topic?
SteveLA (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 1:17PM EST (link)Art,
Interesting article, and the stall in the Senate is not good, but I wonder how the issue of parental notification/permission for minors having abortion polls in Alaska, i.e. what the voter thinks about the issue.
Out here in CA, well we’ve have very tame parental notification restrictions on the ballot and they always fail. Not permission statutes but notification with judicial bypasses. Unfortunately even mild notification laws don’t pass in CA and I’m not sure how these sorts of efforts have fared in other states.
Is this a case of the Governor being out ahead of what the majority of the citizens in Alaska support or is she reflecting the sentiment of the citizens of the state on this matter?
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Competency over ideological purity and litmus tests
That's Because CA Dems Always Radicalize The Issue
IJB Friday, July 3rd at 1:31PM EST (link)Not that probably about 50% of CA voters don’t support outright infanticide anyway…
But it’d be interesting how to see how those parental notification initiatives would have done if their supporters had had as much money as NARAL and the pro-infanticide crowd.
I mean, even with all the pro-abortion spending, both those initiatives only lost on the order of 48-52%…
MSN plays a role for sure
SteveLA (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 2:46PM EST (link)IJB
Well mostly these issues loose in CA because those supporting it are viewed in a negative way by people who would be inclined to vote for these measures due to a fair amount of demonizing in the media of those that support these restrictions, that much is true. We’re seeing the same thing going on now post Prop 8 right now out here.
I’m in the camp that as long as there is a vote by “We the people” on these issues, I’m pretty happy with the outcome. I’ve voted for sensible parental notification laws with judicial bypasses, and for Prop 8. Voting for Prop 8 was a much a single finger salute to the CA Supreme court by the way for overturning Prop 22 which passed overwhelmingly by “We the people” as anything else.
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Competency over ideological purity and litmus tests
Steve, the problem with the propositions as
kyle8 (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 2:52PM EST (link)I have come to understand it is that the voters will vote for things that they want the government to do, without any idea how they will be funded.
If every cost had a funding attached on the ballot then it would make more sense. In other words, instead of Prop 666 merely creating a special anti-brush fire unit, it also included a millage to pay for it, then there wouldn’t be such a problem.
Unless there is something you see living there that I don’t see.
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Nothing to do with this thread
SteveLA (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 3:01PM EST (link)kyle8
This has strayed too far from what this blog entry is about; a commentary on Governor Palin. We’ll save any other comments for another time.
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Haven't seen any recent polls.
Achance (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 1:39PM EST (link)I’d surmise that parental notice generically has sixty percent or more support though a specific bill might have less, it would still have majority support. We don’t have strong Republican majorities in either body of the Legislature anymore, so they’ve avoided the issue since they passed a parental notification bill back in the Knowles Administration and the AKSC threw it out.
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Are these more Democratic holdovers
civil truth (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 1:17PM EST (link)…biting Sarah in the posterior?
And if these were Democratic holdovers, is her firing them a sign the she’s catching on to her Achilles heel – or was this another conflict at the interpersonal level?
Or were these her people? If so, this would bode ill for her political future.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
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I think they were both her administration's hires,
Achance (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 1:27PM EST (link)but I don’t know if they were the Governor’s office’s candidates or the commissioner of DHSS’ candidates. I’ve stayed as far from this administration as I can so I don’t know how things work in detail but I would assume that like every other administration before it, a commissioner’s hire would have to be vetted by the Governor’s office but that probably wouldn’t go much further than to see if they were an activist of some sort or had given money to the other side, perhaps the OOTG might go so far as to call somebody with an interest in the area and ask if they knew the person.
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The Joke in this piece by Jonah is his sightingRomney as an example for Sarah to follow!
AceInTX (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 1:04PM EST (link)Are you kidding me?
So she should have a political conversion to what 2 months before she announces?
So she should pass Socialized Health Care in Alaska and brag about it’s brilliance and free market principles as the program bankrupts the state and individuals are fined by the government for not buying a government approved health plan?
Maybe she should come out in favor of bailing out Michigan and MoTown?
Maybe she should spend tens of millions of dollars kneecapping every single Republican candidate that has a chance to win in 2012 so we end up with Lindsey Graham as our standard barer?
Maybe she should become as wooden as Al Gore and make lame jokes about her hair?
I mean…come on!
This Is What Totally Discredits Goldberg With Me
IJB Friday, July 3rd at 1:33PM EST (link)If he’s *still* a Romney guy after all this time, Goldberg is not someone I’d want to take any kind of advice from.
But, then again, I’ve always had mostly disdain for the vast majority of the NRO crew…
Ace: Who did Romney kneecap?
Martin Knight (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 3:44PM EST (link)If I remember correctly, Huckabee and McCain ganged up on him (i.e. West Virginia), Rudy knocked himself out by not campaigning till FL, Fred never got out the gate, Duncan Hunter failed to make any headway.
So who exactly had a chance to win that was “kneecapped” by Romney so that McCain won the nomination?
The only other people were Ron Paul and Alan Keyes.
I'm not one to defend McCain on anything...And I'm no Rudy fan
AceInTX (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 3:51PM EST (link)I backed Huckabee at the time because there was noone else left. As such, I’ll leave Huckabee out of it for the most part…But Romney’s adds were viscious toward McCain and Rudy in particular…Everyone that showed any life at all in the campaign got repped by his adds…some disingenuously!
I’ll also say this…I started out the year thinking Romney would be the guy and I was totally OK with it…and by the end I wouldn’t spit on him to put him out if he were on fire!
Ace: Rudy kneecapped himself and McCain won the nomination.
Martin Knight (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 7:57PM EST (link)So ultimately Romney’s ads did not have much to do with what happened in November, agree?
That's not the way I remember it Martin...
AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, July 4th at 10:32AM EST (link)I remember many here at Red State, and many in the press pointing out the pettiness and disingenuousness of his adds. He fudged on the truth and was relentless in his attacks until he’d dragged the other guy down to or below his level in the food chain.
I really don’t want to rehash history on this and if you remember it differently then fine…but that’s the way I remember it…and the other positions I pointed out as wrong remain wrong
the Dems could have run Pinocchio in 2008 and won
David Hinz (Diary) Saturday, July 4th at 10:49AM EST (link)[and some -- especially around here -- might suggest that they did]
The American people — even those among us who loved President Bush — were simply exhausted with the Republican Party.
The party insiders — dare I say the RMSP — had seen to it that no Republican had any prayer of winning the White House.
Then the backbiting, infighting and general nastiness of the primaries — some overt, much of it covert — guaranteed that ANYONE the Dems nominated — even a known Marxist — would wipe the floor with McCain.
What we need now is leadership — and it ain’t coming from Washington anytime soon.
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Jonah Goldberg's response to critisism
djemi (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 1:31PM EST (link)“Again: If Sarah Palin becomes nothing more than expression of populist resentments of a certain portion of the base she will lose the ability to persuade anybody who isn’t already a diehard fan. That is not the route to success.”
here:
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That Is Why Jonah Is Dead Wrong
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 1:42PM EST (link)She has the base, reluctant Republicans will fall in line if its a choice between Palin and Obama. But locking up the Republicans vote may not be enough.
I think Palin may be able to take some women voters away from Obama. Even five percent would change everything.
I agree with what your saying Swamp
djemi (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 2:26PM EST (link)And given how the media loves those hit pieces, I think that it might end up being alot more than just 5%.
As I see it the only reason that McCain got the numbers that he did is because Sarah brought out the Republican base, not all of it mind but a good number.
It is along time until 2012 or 11 if you like and I would like to see how Palin develops. I would say that given all of the false ethics charges against her she is doing the right thing by only speeking on things that are Alaska related.
I do hope that she is cultivating some good advisers, as Jonah says in has response
“What baffles me even more is the idea that politicians — any politician — doesn’t need advisors or advice. Reagan had fantastic political instincts. He also had some of the savviest and most sophisticated political advisors in modern political history. Good politicians know how to take serious advice. Now, maybe my advice is wrong. It’s been wrong before, to be sure.”
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this is just another example of the inside the beltway
pilgrim (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 1:49PM EST (link)punditocracy, and the ego each of them possesses that needs constant stroking. I usually like to read an article or book by Jonah. I do think that he others in this position have an insecurity problem. They need to be stroked and told that what they have to say is relevant. They need to have the politician kiss their ring.
I have not seen any examples of Sarah whining about these pundits, but I also have not seen any examples of her inviting them into her life to provide her with their wisdom and guidance. That she has not done this simply drives them nuts..
I don't see it that way at all Pilgrim
kyle8 (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 1:56PM EST (link)I think he is genuinely concerned about her electability, as am I.
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Well ask youself this
pilgrim (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 2:13PM EST (link)Do you really think that if she started giving speeches about national and foreign policy issues that reflected exactly what pundits like Will, Krauthammer, and Goldberg have been writing about for years, and she attributed her positions to them that they would still be sniping about her whining about the media?
I don’t have any opinion one way or another about her chances, but their insecurity concerns about being relevant trump that concern.
Looking back on the morning when she made her
janis (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 2:31PM EST (link)acceptance speech and knocked it out of the park, the sheer delight that she aroused in so many of us hit the Dems and the beltway crowd exactly the same way– “Who is this ordinary woman and how DARE she elicit this response?!!!” The Dems acted as if we should have asked their permission to have her for VP candidate and the beltway crowd was deeply offended because Sarah Palin wasn’t an Ivy Leaguer, didn’t suck up to any of them for their approval, and she didn’t speak in those generic and soothing phrases that mean nothing.
She challenged every single one of them and they hated it. And good for her—no advice that any of them have given to us has advanced our cause. Indeed, these are the same deeply principled folks who congratulated Obama and criticized those who didn’t want to “just give him a chance.” He has had his chance. And so have they.
Well Well
djemi (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 2:31PM EST (link)3pm ET News conference being given by Sarah Palin, aparently about her future as it relates to being a Governor
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Interesting Timing n/t
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Friday, July 3rd at 2:33PM EST (link)nt
More Like Truman in Perception of Folks
kcdude (Diary) Saturday, July 4th at 12:51PM EST (link)I think she is more like Harry Truman, in her approach and her appeal. Truman was plain spoken, not nearly as charismatic and sometimes viewed as not worhy of the office. Time will tell regarding her future but I look forward to seeing what role she will take on once she can travel freely outside her state without the threat of an ethics complaint.
Someone needs to ask a question of Mr. Goldberg
Steph C (Diary) Monday, July 6th at 12:21PM EST (link)How’s that working out for Republicans? That’s the GWB playbook and it didn’t serve him very well, did it?
Sorry but this is what irritates me with the pundits. They think they “know” everything.
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