So much of this is local that I am ignorant of.

I dont think they should be kicked out. If there was an appeal from their own constituents, I’d respect that. But bigger fish to fry now. I can see expressing anger to gain leverage in the next vote, but these appeals to kick them out, really. That is our focus now. I got different priorities.

There was little activism before 36 hours before the House vote on Cap and Trade. We risk doing the same for the Senate vote.

The point is that these individuals(every single one who voted to pass it, regardless of letter next to their name) failed to do their job, and for that they should be fired.

If Gov. Douglas decides to run against Partick Leahy in 2010 I will support him, campaign for him, give money to him and blog about my support for him. All that even though he is a “Green” Republican. The reason why I would do that is because he is also a deliberative man, he is not an eco nazi who would vote for Cap and Trade sight unseen. Gov. Douglas understands the responsibilty that comes with the Job. Those who voted yes sight unseen do not.

How can I make this any simpler to understand?

Having said that, I put nothing past Obama, he has ended the free movement of capital. As soon as others follow my lead, he will probably put poison pill taxes on foreign investment. You never know what industry Obama will destroy next, so investors are just playing hot potato anyway.

Franken is being seated. The Dems are organizing for Cap and Trade. Mass Dems just raised the sales tax.

Legislators not reading a final piece of legislation in its entirety is very low on my priority list right now jsut as it ws during the Bush years and the Gingrich years. It happens with every vote.

I don’t know, but do find it instructive that they all voted against the stimulus and budget.

Cap and Trade is all that and a DIRECT immoral assault upon the poor and middle class never before seen in America.

But it can still be defeated and used effectively to defeat many dems next year esp given the recession that already promises a target rich environment for the GOP to win big if not re-take the House.

I think you make great points Aa, but I guess I no longer expect much from any politician, even our “best” elected conservatives, and that We the People are going to have to try and save this country with a flawed GOP, but GOP nonetheless, and for that GOP to be an effective tool, we are going to have to settle for many derelicts like the eight.

make sense?
can this bring swamp and non-swamp yankees and those of us from Dixie together?

They deserve a rebuke, not excommunication. I prefer to fight Democrats, the Boston Globe, ACORN, moveon.org.

Legislators rarely read a final bill in its entirety. They usually base their votes on preliminary drafts and briefs from aids.

And it’s not going to hurt Republicans anymore than Democrats because they both did it, so that argument is a wash.

Be careful supporting Republicans that are not as conservative as you. It’s tough to win in New England. You can fight like hell to get decent Republicans elected and push a state to the Right, but there will always be self-anointed watchdogs from thousands of miles away with no clue about Vermont politics ready to actively defeat, donate money and throw that person under the bus if he or she doesn’t live up to their standards.

I don’t know how far they’d get (they get further in some years than in others).

But it’d be a lot more interesting than supporting a McCain-type.
Getting a fire-and-brimstone, anti-patronage, “I’m really going to shut down the government!” guy running would be a real interesting campaign to support.
Sure would scare the pants off the other side!!

(Well, I can dream, can’t I?…)