Purging The Party is a Losing Strategy; Why Liberals Own Conservatives


In response to a bunch of posts in the “challenging John McCain” thread. Liberals are so much more advanced than conservatives at winning that it is frustrating. Here are two things they do so well:

1) They institutionalize Democratic power

Liberals know how to institutionalize power. We run the risk of becoming a permanent minority party if we don’t stop the bleeding now. “Purgers” and “purifiers” tend to assume old political premises. You cannot sit on your hands and hold your breath, while the Democrats amass a super majority, and assume that our time will come. Liberals will institutionalize their power and there will be no comeback.

You can roll back certain policies, but you cannot roll back institutionalized power. There will be no come back if the West and South are unionized; if there is blanket amnesty; if the government picks the winners and losers in our economy; if seventy percent of the jobs are public sector jobs. Once their power is institutionalize, it’s done. All is lost for generations.

Sixty does count. Each vote does count. Each issue does count. People that say sixty means nothing are being hyperbolic. If the Dems had 62 seats right now is there any doubt we would have EFCA. And if you don’t think the EFCA isn’t a colossal set back for conservatives, you are naive. The Democrats are on the cusp of enacting a series of initiatives that will solidify a Democratic majority for generations. The Democrats are doing this by design. We are holding the line EFCA and cap and trade. We must remain in a holding pattern during this cycle. It is plain dumb to purge when every single vote is as important as ever. And it is shameful to concede these issues to the Democrats.

2) Liberals Know How to Separate Themselves from the Democratic Party

I’m a right winger. I’m also a New Englander. As such, you learn how to pick your battles. The Left has been masterful at this for a long time. Liberals win by fighting a tough, aggressive, culture war; controlling the Democratic Party apparatus; and using the art of politics to win in the political arena. Liberals have long known they can’t win at the ballot box, but they separated liberals from Democrats and ideology from politics. Liberals fight behind the scenes with their think tanks, academics, charities, lawyers and civic organizations to push a Leftist agenda, while they compromised with moderate Democrats in the arena of politics and inched their agenda forward. They’ve been doing this for eighty years. It worked.

It seems conservatives only means of affecting change is through the ballot box. Conservatives want to roll back generations of liberal gains via the ballot box in 2010. They want Blue state and Purple state voters to have an epiphany and become fundamental conservatives in one election cycle. Get real. It’s not going to happen. Tens of millions of people are not going to become Constitutional scholars between now and 2010. We must take what we can at the ballot box, while we effectuate change from within. We too must inch forward and not rely on Hail Maries and Road to Damascus conversions.

Older conservatives must get their heads out of the sand. Red state conservatives must get their heads out of the sand. This does not mean comprising core principles, but it does mean honestly assessing the political landscape, understanding our enemy and formulating winning strategies for the short term and long term. Conservatives often lie to themselves. They fool themselves into believing that we can win if we just run good, clean candidates who can articulate a real conservative message. Wrong. Any Republican activist from a Blue or Purple state worth his salt will tell you otherwise. There has been a steady ideological shift towards the Left in this country. There are people in their forties were too young to vote for Reagan. Younger generations are much more liberal than in the past. Blue areas are so much more liberal than in the past.

Politics is not an exercise in rigid ideology. Politics is an exercise in compromise. It’s an inherently dirty business. Politicians are not philosophers. They do not serve a single cause or a monolithic base. Winning candidates must serve diverse constituencies and represent vast interests. From a political standpoint, I am comfortable with any Republican that advances the conservative dialogue and the conservative cause in their respective districts. This is how the Democrats regained control. They got behind guys like Jim Webb and John Tester, who are slowly pushing the liberal agenda in Red States without demanding that Montanans and Virginians become card carrying liberals overnight.

Let’s get real and build a winning coalition. Conservatives can fight in the courts, the schools and the media. Conservatives can control judicial appointments, the party platform and leadership posts. But we shouldn’t try to win a thirty year culture war in one election cycle by demanding that we nominate hard core conservatives in Blue and Purple states. In politics, things “trend”. Things rarely spontaneously change. There are a lot of gutsy Republicans with uphill fights in Blue and Purple states that are doing their best under difficult circumstance. We need to support them or at least leave them alone.

When are we going to start fighting Democrats? I’m saving my money for the general elections. I’ll let the locals fight out their primary battles. They have the right to pick whoever they want to represent them without my carpet bagging. I got bigger fish to fry.



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I don't mind carpetbagging my money!....nt

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 7:20PM EST (link)

The big tenters have been quiet for a while...but it couldn't last forever could it?

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 7:25PM EST (link)

Dems are great at institutionalizing Power because their opposition is so easy to roll. They don’t have to worry about Republicans fighting them as they expand their power and they never have to worry about Republicans trying to roll back their excesses because they can count on the Republican Big Tenters to defend them!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

Ace this sentence is DEAD ON....

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 7:31PM EST (link)

“Dems are great at institutionalizing Power because their opposition is so easy to roll.”

Why have principles and stand for anything when its so obvious you will stand for anything as long as a politician has an R after their name! I personally will donate and work to defeat those tools like McCain and Specter who ROLL OVER and play “let me kiss YOUR a@@”. If WE don’t expunge the most wretched from our party then Republicans are just D-lite and what is the point of 2 parties?

OBTW the “big” tenters will be out more and more as we get closer to 2010!

Oh I give that a five.

NeoKong (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 7:57PM EST (link)

Well said.
If we can’t count on McCain,Specter,Colliins and Snow when we need them then what is the point in propping them up?
If John McCain tried to secure the border three years ago instead of opening it up he would be President.He made the party look like jackasses and he did some damage with the base who pulled back their support.

If Specter,Snow and Collins held the line against the disasterous stimulus bill they would have forced Obama and the Democrats to compromise and it would have been a defeat for Obama.But no…they bent over and grabbed their ankles without so much as being kissed first.
They hurt the party.They hurt America.

Megan McCain….?
Is she trying to hurt the party.Is she a double agent for the DNC?
She ain’t helping the cause.

If Chris Simcox takes down John McCain I for one will be glad.
If Pat Toomey takes out Specter I will be beside myself with glee.

If the people of this country truly want a more liberal agenda then all the (R)’s in the world won’t make a bit of difference.
So why cave in early.

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On Meghan...

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 8:13PM EST (link)

Megan McCain….?
Is she trying to hurt the party.Is she a double agent for the DNC?
She ain’t helping the cause.

I’ve posted it a lot today…but I’m convinced she’s daddies mouthpiece for the moment…he can’t speak his mind right now because he’s up for reelection this cycle so shes out doing daddy’s dirty work…after that? I’m convinced she’s building name recognition so she can take daddy’s place as the great appeaser in 2016…it’s time to strangle that baby in it’s crib…send Daddy packing and Meghan with him!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 
 

When Texas Looks Like Mass, We'll Talk

Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 7:39PM EST (link)

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…So your position is to grant them more power. Brilliant. Its like the Dems who complained about Bush’s deficits and then supported Obama quadrupling of the deficit. It makes no sense. If you care about what happened in the past so much, why do you want to empower them even more. Obama’s policies are designed to make the U.S. look like Massa chusetts. You aint seen nothing yet.

Until then, I guess all of us from the Northeast and the Rust Belt, should lie down and do nothing and let one party rule coelesce. Beacause, according to you, there is nothing for us to do. It not even worth pushing back according to you. Hey Rob Simmons, screw you. Chris Dodd 2010.

I can make three supporting arguments to belay your confusions on my thinking here.

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 8:59PM EST (link)

you made one of them for me btw…unintentionally of course.

Hey Rob Simmons, screw you. Chris Dodd 2010.

If Simmons takes out Dodd it’s a wash…is he a squish? I don’t know…and don’t much care…because in taking out McCain we send an unmistakable message that the days of advancing your political career in the Republican Party by playing a useful idiot to the Democrats and the so called objective media are over.

Second, Obama wouldn’t b have been able to do what he’s doing without the help of those we rail against. Bushes 1 and 2 built the foundation for the house Obama is building…they gave him a great place to start from. McCain, Specter, Snowe and Collins were instrumental in getting him in a position where he could seize control of the markets. So who’s more to blame…the snake that bit the face of a man when he got too close or the man who was dumb enough to give the snake the ability to bite him in the face to begin with?

It’s a well known medical fact that allowing a wound to bleed before bandaging it can clean it of it’s impurities..the wound has seeped for seventy years as we’ve appeased our enemies and the only thing that will fix things is to open the wound and bleed out the dirt in the wound or we’ll die from the infection.

The Dems just keep advancing because McCain and hos cronies won’t let us fight them effectively…so what’s the point? NeoCong makes a brilliant point by the way…Had Specter, Collins and Snowe stuck with the Republican Caucus they could have gotten some kind of consession from the Democrats for themselves and the party…but they didn’t do that…they let the Dems have their way for free…and we’re the ones on the receiving end of the screwing!

As for those of you in the rust belt…I’m a refugee of the rust belt…I grew up in the bluest of blue states The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics of West Virginia. The Republican Party has run moderate squishes in rust belt states for 70 years…How did Mass get the way it is? Has there been any opposition to the policies pushed by Democrats or appeasement by moderate Republicans? What has been the result? Maybe you all should try something different and run someone besides Democrat light candidates…you might be surprised how many closet Republicans there are in those states who’ll finally vote if they’re given a real choice.

Here’s where I see things now…these tea parties have proven one thing for me…there is something like 40% to 50% of people in this country who believe they’re not represented by either party and all it’s going to take to tip things is for a constitutionalist Ross Perot type to start a third party in 2012. This new party will demand fiscal responsibility and a return to our constitutional principles of federalism and local control of our lives…They will peal off enough fiscal conservatives to get Obama a second term. The Republican Party won the Congress and Senate in 1994 by co-opting Perot’s message of fiscal responsibility and spending control…but they lost in 1996 by running a Republican to the left of Bill Clinton …and they gave it away when Hastert and the boys pranced into town and the Party decided the problem wasn’t too much spending it was because the wrong people were doing the spending. My hope is that we can stop a Perot type movement in it’s tracks if they hold the line and prove they can be trusted to be fiscally responsible again but we’ll never be able to with the big government whores in our party selling themselves out to the Democrats.

What I don’t understand is the mentality of people like yourself who insist on doing the same thing over and over again supporting the same people over and over again who have lost elections every time they get their way…yet can’t see the folly of doing it again!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 
 

Swamp I question these two sentences...

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 7:33PM EST (link)

“Politics is not an exercise in rigid ideology. Politics is an exercise in compromise” What D is not rigidly ideology socialist/marxist/liberal? and where did any D compromise in this election and don’t dare say they did THEY LIED and now in power they are RIGID and IDEOLOGICAL and they DO NOT COMPROMISE ANYTHING! just saying.

Agree

redneck_hippie (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 7:52PM EST (link)

1) Republicans are easily rolled
2) Democrats are close-minded except where they grasp the golden ring of the timely flip flop. But even in their perambulations from hard left to center left, they are never deterred from their goal of ultimate power.


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I can give a bunch of examples.

Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 7:55PM EST (link)

And they do compromise all the time. Bayh on the budget. Lincoln on Card Check. Tester on guns. Webb on veteren affairs. Lieberman on Israel. The Levin on cap and trade, Salazar on land use issues… They have to represent their constituents. If their constituents are hard Left, I’m sure they’d be more than happy to accomodate. But most are a little more moderate.

…How did we get here though. It took eighty years to get to this point. They can afford to be more assertive because they have gained such solid majorities.
The problem is that the couny has moved to the Left. The leaders are still Left ofthe Demcoratic majority. Head to any coffe shop in Boston and you will know exactly what I’m talking about.

All the rah rah rhetoric around here is fun, but lets not get stuck in an echo chamber. You cant really think the Dems are rigid Marxist.

Yes I really do or their leadership is and the tools fall in line...

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 8:02PM EST (link)

Lieberman on Israel is a given and I respect him for it and you are right EVEN those tools have to give in to the people who will elect them which is why I get so angry at the RINO’s because the things that their voters want are exactly what they DON’T GIVE THEM! that is why they MUST GO!

Bingo!!!! nt

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 9:14PM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 

You forget one thing, a Democrat compromise

robmikpet (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 8:30PM EST (link)

is a Democrat victory but on a smaller scale. A Republican compromise is a smaller loss for conservatives, freedom and the Constitution but a loss nontheless.

A little bit of socialized medicine anyone?
Just a few companies run by the government?
Taxes raised only a little bit?
Spending up but not quite as much as the Dems wanted?

We lose everytime when we compromise!

 

The country has moved left my ample rear end...

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 9:13PM EST (link)

Bush won in 2004 by running as apologetically conservative candidate…The Democrats win by acting Conservative….Conservatism wins or the Democrats wouldn’t act conservative to get elected…the only people that have a problem with acting like conservatives are the ivy league pimps in our party who insist on selling us out. They run away from conservatism every election and they lose…I’ll take your example of the rust belt…how many Republican Congressmen are there from New England? are they all gone because they all ran as Conservatives? The strategy of acting like Democrats has failed in New England…yet you insist we continue the same strategy across the nation…and you look down your nose at those of us who are too uneducated to see the sense of what you are saying?

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

Damn right.

NeoKong (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 9:52PM EST (link)

If this country is moving left then war hero Kerry would be President.
Obama had to disavow his own mentor,his whole past and start invoking Ronald Reagan to get elected.
The lefties know how to run to the right .I just wish Republicans did too.
The fact is with Obama and with Clinton before the only way those two can make it to the White House is to lie their ass off about who they are.

Follow me on Twitter.

 

The country has moved left as a whole

tcgeol (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 11:08PM EST (link)

On social issues by a fairly large margin, on defense and fiscal issues a smaller but still very significant margin. That isn’t to say that most folks are died-in-the-wool leftists, but the average person tolerates/supports things now that only the most die-hard left-wing loon would have 20-30 years ago.

We do still have a center-right populace, but they are much more center than right. We have to run solid conservatives in areas where we can do so – for instance, there is no reason that we lost Montana. But a hard-right conservative just ain’t going to win in San Fransisco. Lets run the best person who has a chance in the blue areas. Half a loaf is better than none, and while I’m an enormous fan, Tom Coburn isn’t going to win in NYC.

Right now, we need time. Time to re-educate those who have been brain-washed into liberalism. Until then, in blue states, 50% beats 0% all to pieces. I’m not one for giving up and I don’t particularly care for moderates, but we aren’t going to get what we really want in a lot of areas.

Just your typical bitter gun- and God-clinger

Even the Left admits we’re Right

But How Can We Know That?

farstar99 (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 11:33PM EST (link)

The media are collaborating propagandists.
The polls are fixed, being run by the media.

So I don’t buy that line.
A thousand people in New York, phoned at home in the middle of the day don’t seem like they have anything in common with a working Republican to me. The odds that they’re Democrat welfare cheats avoiding looking for work seems far more likely.

We lost Montana because the GOP had dolts running the show and for the most part, they still do.

Nationally, they slept while the ACORN tumor grew.
They failed to confirm new judges.
They failed to permanently protect the Second Amendment.
They failed to educate Americans in the importance of freedom and the benefits of capitalism.
They failed to put safeguards in place to protect from future assaults on the Constitution.
Instead, they played nice and left the Democrat bureaucrats in office instead of firing them day one.
They desperately, desperately wanted to be liked by the media, and get invited to parties.

In Montana, they languished with an unsuitable replacement when Racicot left.
The local GOP reps sat on their hands and didn’t even distribute signs.
When Brian Schweitzer fixed the election they complained for one day and rolled over.
They never called Max Baucus on his Second Amendment hypocrisy.
They failed to come to Conrad Burns’ defense when he was falsely accused.

Then when the same tactic was used against Ted Stevens, the GOP fell for it AGAIN! And they will next time, too. Not only will they, they will AGAIN fail to inform the American people that it’s a Democrat ploy.

I certainly can't speak for everyone, but...

tcgeol (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 11:54PM EST (link)

I grew up in a very conservative state and I currently live in one of the most conservative areas of the country. I also talk to people. Most of them have absolutely no understanding of American government – its rightful place, position, or power. On the social side, the media and pop culture have replaced conscious thought and reason. If West Virginia and Texas are like this, I can’t imagine the blue states are any better (I don’t really consider WV to be a blue state, because they are conservative in general on the issues). No, these people aren’t leftists, but they certainly aren’t real conservatives either.

I absolutely agree that Republicans need to act like Republicans, and we would do much better if they did. At the same time, if most of the public had wanted leaders who were real conservatives, they would have at least voted for the lesser of two evils. The Democrat Lite beats the real marxist thing any day of the week and twice on Sunday. But they voted for the most left-wing president ever and a buch of loony leftists who will do their best to destroy us.

We have to re-educate the people before we can get the conservatives with a solid Constitutional philosophy in office. I don’t recommend we give up at all – we can and should move the country back toward the middle righ now, but I don’t think we can actually move where we need to be without some time and work. If we can get rid of McCain and Spector, I’ll be happy, but I’ll work to beat a Democrat any day before I take out a Republican.

Just your typical bitter gun- and God-clinger

Even the Left admits we’re Right

WV is not a Red state and the people there are anything but conservative!.

AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, April 23rd at 1:52PM EST (link)

They’ve swung red for POTUS since 2000 because of the gun issue…(I’ve always said if the Feds ever come for people’s guns in WV, they’ll have to take that state one hill at a time…but WV is the birthplace of the Union movement and has been a Union State ever since. Jey Rockefeller moved from NY to WV to run for Governor as a Democrat and later for the US Senate because it is a one party state by and large and he bought and has maintained control of that party 30 to 40 years. Republicans have made inroads there with Capito in the Congress but she’s anything but a Republican. She’s part of the RMSP and has dragged the party leftward. WV has had double digit unemployment since I graduated high school with some counties having an unemployment rate in the low 20% as a result…and it’s lost 2 congressmen since half the state has been vacated as a result of the anti business atmosphere there. So how you figure WV is conservative is beyond me.

As for the Democrat vs Marxist line…I don’t totally disagree…but most voters…and I’m becoming one of them…can’t see the difference between Dems and the Republican Party any more! It was all I could do to go vote this year because I despised McCain every bit as much as Obama…but I did…and I’m ashamed of the fact that I compromised and did something I swore I’d never do after he destroyed the 1st Amendment…

I’ve said it a lot in these two threads and I’ll say it again These Tea Parties need to be a wake up call for the Republican Party…We need desperately to rebuild our reputation as a smaller government, less spending party or we’re facing another Perot type third party in 2012 because there are so many of us feeling betrayed and voiceless…and Obama will win a second term as a result just like what happened in 1996.

Yet here we are arguing whether the Republican Party should continue to support the very big government, Conservative hating, Abortion loving, Big Spenders who have destroyed the brand….


MY GOOD GOD…FOR THE LIFE OF ME I CAN”T BELIEVE THIS IS STILL AN ARGUMENT AFTER THE LAST TWO ELECTIONS AND THE UNDENIABLE FACT THAT THIS STRATEGY IS A LOSER FOR US!!!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

West Virginia is pro-life, pro-gun, and generally socially conservative at least

tcgeol (Diary) Thursday, April 23rd at 5:23PM EST (link)

We are a very strong pro-military state as well. So, we have two of the three legs of the stool. Overall, that isn’t too bad. – better than probably any blue state out there.

Fiscally, we aren’t that great. You are correct about the unions, amd we will never prosper without being a right-to-work state. . The unions kill us politically as well as financially. It is a serious problem, and I don’t know what can be done about it.

Just your typical bitter gun- and God-clinger

Even the Left admits we’re Right

so you grew up there did you? nt

AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, April 23rd at 6:01PM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

Ohh...I see you're from WV?...that's news to me.

AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, April 23rd at 6:09PM EST (link)

unless things have changed significantly since I left there, mu neck of the woods in WV is not SoCon either. I lived in Wetzel county and later in Marion and that area is very liberal…or was…the Gun issue has turned off many to the Dems and the effects of the EPA on the Coal industry in WV has turned many off as well…but that hasn’t stopped them for voting for Boby Byrd and Jay Rockefeller even though he wrote the EPA legislation that Killed the mining industry.

Maybe your neck of the woods was more conservative but state wide we had Rockefeller, Rayhall, Molaghan, and Byrd, A James Manchin and his money machine as state secretaryand several other Democrat Crap Weasels and have only had two different Arch Moore and I forget the other Governor’s name who served in the fifties and again in the 90s

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

I'm from Huntington so Cabell and Wayne counties are what I know best

tcgeol (Diary) Thursday, April 23rd at 6:48PM EST (link)

I grew up there, even though I’m in Texas right now for grad school and maybe for a job depending. Marshall University makes Huntington a little more liberal, but its still a moderately conservative place. Nothing like it should be, though.

There is a difference between holding conservative ideas and actually being a conservative. I think that most West Virginians have a lot of conservative principles, but other things (fiscal mostly) take precedence in their voting. Byrd is the prime example. No one actually agrees with Byrd on the issues, but everyone knows how much money he has brought into the state. It isn’t right, but I believe it explains why we have the politicians we have.

Just your typical bitter gun- and God-clinger

Even the Left admits we’re Right

I can't argue with your assesment about Huntinton...

AceInTX (Diary) Friday, April 24th at 1:26PM EST (link)

and it’s not far off from what I had in Wetzel & Marion counties but it’s off none the less. Our neck of the woods are made up of the Steel Workers Union, the Col Miners Union and etc. While the fierce independent streak of most Mountaineers are prevalent there most of the men where I grew up worked along the Ohio River in the northern panhandle or in south western PA. most of the men I knew were pretty well liberal across the board…my dad being the best example

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 
 
 
 
 

WV is a coal union state

6eorge Jetson (Diary) Thursday, April 23rd at 2:19PM EST (link)

and IMO has voted recently against the anti-coal advocates in the Democratic Party.

 

Your Right

Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Thursday, April 23rd at 6:14PM EST (link)

People are absolutely clueless about Blue states. People mistaken the symtopms for the disease. Polticians are byproducts of their districts and the people they represent. Not the other way around. People don’t elect people who dont agree withthem and hope that person changes their mind on key issues. The “top down appraoch” is generally uselss.

A bottom up appraoach is much better. Its no mistake that gun rights is one ofteh areas that we are winning. And that because they are well organized from the bottom up. The pols are afraid of the people. Not the other way around. The pols didnt dictate the appeal of second amendment rights to the people and then the people buy into it. But the 2nd Amendment is one of the only areas we are good at. Education is key. Issue advocacy is key. Civic organizations are key. Legal teams are key.

That’s why I also distinguished the genrational war from the next election cycle war. They are two different battles. 2010 is only 18 months away. Teh peopel of Maine or Connecticutt are not going to turn deep Red in 18 months. If people think WV is not conservative. They should have a beer with the locals in New Haven, CT.

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If that's true tcgeol who do the Democrats downplay their socially liberal positions when they run?

AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, April 23rd at 1:27PM EST (link)

You don’t here the Dems spouting off about choice any more…2004 taught them a lesson…When values voters and SoCons get out and vote…the Dems can’t withstand the tsunami.

As to the rest of it…we’ve heard it all before…from Bush the elder, Dole, From McCain, from the Northeastern Republicans and California Republicans…They all followed what you are saying tcgeol, and they have lost at every turn to the point where there is not a single congressional Republican in office in all of New England and California is quickly following suit.

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

Ace, are you misunderstanding me or purposely twisting the point?

tcgeol (Diary) Thursday, April 23rd at 5:16PM EST (link)

I usually agree with you, but you carry it a bit far. I want to run hardcore right-wing conservatives with libertarian leanings in every locality in the country – thats what I want. We shouldn’t ever run liberals – period. There is no excuse for it under any circumstances. But if you would rather lose badly with a stauch conservative in blue states and let a hard-core leftist win rather than allow a more moderate (but still conservative) candidate to run that might have a chance, we just can’t agree. I’m only referring to dark blue states here, nowhere else. Everywhere else ,we run solid conservatives with a conservative philosophy. It all depends on our chances in a given location. I’m not going to support them (it makes me sick), but I’m not going to spend a lot of valuable time and money fighting them, either. I do not suggest that we move to the center a whit, much less the left and please don’t suggest that again.

I would love to get rid of RINOs and the “moderates” that kill us – I’ll be dancing in the streets if we can do so. People like McCain have cause us enormous problems and I want to see him gone. But, I would rather put my time and money toward beating the left than beating the middle if I have to make the choice.

Just your typical bitter gun- and God-clinger

Even the Left admits we’re Right

Common Sense At Its Finest n/t

Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Thursday, April 23rd at 6:19PM EST (link)

I guess I misread your position some what but I disagree to a point

AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, April 23rd at 6:23PM EST (link)

on supporting liberal Republicans from even dark blue states…Look at Main and that’s gotten us PA is another example. I’d be all for what you are saying once we’ve established the fact with the McCains, Snowes, Specters, Colins, and Voinoviches that they betrwy us at their peril and they will pay a price for doing so.

My main point is this…We can’t afford to tolerate these people any more as long as the Party whips in the house and Senate refuse to enforce discipline in the caucus…the time for running squishes and tolerating them running the party has passed.

I’ll say this again…We have NO, ZERO, ZILCH, credibility with the voters any more and we won’t get it back till these people are gone! What I fear above all is the idea of a third party splitting the fiscal responsibility crowd away from the Republican Party in 2012 as Perot did in 1992 and 1996 because Bush and Dole destroyed our credibility as the party of smaller government and giving Obama a second term. I keep getting ridiculed about what happens if we dump these people and lose seats doing so but if a bloodletting in our Party in 2010 will allow us to win credibility with the electorate again and keep Obama winning another term on 2012 then I say…let the blood flow!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 
 

Social issues--not necessarily

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, April 23rd at 3:03PM EST (link)

It has moved left on some (gay marriage is one I can think of), but on others, trends actually have it picking up (abortion).

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

aesthete...70% of voters support traditional marriage and oppose Gay marriage...

AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, April 23rd at 6:27PM EST (link)

They’ve been browbeaten into silence…but Prop eight still proves traditional marriage to be a winning…not a losing proposition for the Republican Party

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

I was more pointing out trends than anything...

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, April 23rd at 6:49PM EST (link)

Support for gay marriage, while currently low, are trending upwards. This can be stopped, of course, but that’s the current reality. The pro-life movement, OTOH, is both trending upwards and has a plurality in support of it.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

Kowalski

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, April 23rd at 6:50PM EST (link)

This means that the demise of social conservatism is exaggerated, at best, IMO.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

I agree wholeheartedly...we won 2004 for Bush and the Party making history on several fronts...

AceInTX (Diary) Friday, April 24th at 1:15PM EST (link)

I’l never forget the knee jerk reactions just after the 04 elections…The Dems led by Rahm Emmanuel immediately started looking for SoCon Dems to run in red states while the RMSP and the Country Club set came out announcing the formation of a moderate coalition to stop the party from lurching too far to the right…the last 2 elections are an example of those two opposite reactions IMHO.

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 

Ah...I see...and agree...that's why it's all the more imperative that we stamp out the voices on our side that help that movement to advance

AceInTX (Diary) Friday, April 24th at 1:11PM EST (link)

and work on electing Republicans who will proudly stand up and afirm their believes and defend them instead of surrendering to the demagogues on the other side without a fight.

Truth be told…I’m more bent out of shape by the namby pambys in this party whop refuse to stand for anything and fight for any cause than I am about the squishes who are so subversive…but I think the only way you give the namby pambys a backbone is by making an example of the Benedict Arnolds

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Quite honestly...

Steph C (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 7:55PM EST (link)

I don’t care about clearing the tent or purging the Republican party. Frankly, if we keep talking and Obama keeps doing what he’s doing, those moderates are either going to jump ship voluntarily or learn some very profound lessons in the next 2-4 years.

Hone the message and stop letting the Dems form the premises by which we operate and it will change spontaneously, although the full effects won’t happen overnight.

“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
Hillbilly Politics

so...what do we do with the Repubs who give voice to Obama's premises nt

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 9:16PM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

How them the questions journalists should be asking:

Steph C (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 10:01PM EST (link)

Who, what, when, where, how, and why. And keep asking until facts and logic natually tears it down. The left gets away with throwing out premises and nobody really challenges the foundations of those premises. Instead they take them at face value, accept them as true, and address them from that position.

Most of the premises of the left are faulty at best and absolutely untrue at worst. Most contain only the smallest grain of truth and because of that small grain, we’re made to swallow the whole, even when they don’t logically follow.

“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
Hillbilly Politics

Geezzz.

Steph C (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 10:03PM EST (link)

How should have been Give. I have no idea why it became how, unless it’s thinking faster than I can type or something.

“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
Hillbilly Politics

 

My point Steph, is the issue presented by having Republicans agreeing with Obama's premises...

AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, April 23rd at 2:02PM EST (link)

We can’t argue right now that we disagree with Obama in principle or for any other reason than petty partisanship with any credibility what so ever because we have McCain, and Bush before him and the rest of the Washington leadership agreeing with everything he’s doing by either voting for it now…or having done the same for the last eight years…the only way we can rebuild any credibility on these issues again is the get rid of the people who put us in this position…I really don’t see how we can convince voters we’re any better now on these issues than we were before if we keep the very people in power who destroyed our credibility in place!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

Well, Ace,

Steph C (Diary) Thursday, April 23rd at 2:18PM EST (link)

It’s like any other type of attrition. You know how the attrition of illegal immigrants follwed a toughening of and more adherence to law had quite a few go home.

It would take too long to purge them any other way than making them so uncomfortable they go elsewhere or they have a radical change of thinking. McCain once flirted with joining the Democratic Party. We can make it uncomfortable for him to stay in the Republican party.

Look, I’ve waited a full week for somebody to to say something about the premise the left forwarded about them being backed by rich Republicans and all we got out for a response was that no it wasn’t, and, honestly that was the wrong response, because now they can use that excuse again and use it to create a divide in the same way that criminals get no guilty verdicts because there was a shadow of doubt.

The right response was no they weren’t, but even if they were, what is the problem with that? And point to how the Dems have actually become the party of the rich, citing facts upon facts, and how they don’t mind taking money from rich despots who are not America’s friends to effect their agenda. We’re still playing the game of premises but it’s time to change the rules since we had no say in the writing of them.

“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
Hillbilly Politics

We agree totally Steph...

AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, April 23rd at 6:34PM EST (link)

The right response was no they weren’t, but even if they were, what is the problem with that? And point to how the Dems have actually become the party of the rich, citing facts upon facts, and how they don’t mind taking money from rich despots who are not America’s friends to effect their agenda. We’re still playing the game of premises but it’s time to change the rules since we had no say in the writing of them.

That nails it for me…and at the same time…it’s my biggest frustration…it’s stuff the leadership and the clowns we are discussing keep doing in public debates because they’re ashamed of us…Steel being the most recent and prominent example when he sat quietly and accepted that comedians premise about the party being made up of Nazis and Skinheads. I mean…if you can stand up and defend the truth and challenge lies like that and others that get repeated so often by the Dems and media…then you shoudln’t be in leadership and you shouldn’t be representing us in public debates and discussion

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

That's okay, Ace.

Steph C (Diary) Thursday, April 23rd at 7:27PM EST (link)

They can be ashamed of us if they want to be. The more these carious travesties go on, the more ashamed I am of them.

Purging the party will take way too long and we’re running out of time but we can sure make it very uncomfortable for the lot of blowhards that seem to think they’re leaders.

I plugged for Steele, myself, a few times. I guess I wanted to believe in him so much because he can talk and we need talkers… but the talkers also need to talk the right talk and walk it, too.

“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
Hillbilly Politics

I don't disagree...however...

AceInTX (Diary) Friday, April 24th at 1:03PM EST (link)

we won’t defeat the enemy at our front till we stop the arrows flying at us from behind! We don’t need a complete purge, we need to send a message…one or two squishes heads on a pike is all we need to send the message that you will no longer advance your career at our expense and get away with it! That’s all I’m saying and have been saying all along…mybe not effecvtively enough but that’s the point…we need to make an example of McCain, Specter, and any other squish that is up in 2010 so we go into 2012 with there being no question about party discipline and the consequences of marching onto the field of battle with the party only to abandon your compatriots in the heat of battle and leave them to die at the hands of the enemy with your help!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Hear, hear, Swamp_Yankee, and I don't often agree with yankees. nt

Achance (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 7:58PM EST (link)

In Vino Veritas

How well has supporting squishes worked in NE Achance? nt

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 9:16PM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

Did it ever occur to you, Ace, that the people of

Achance (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 9:32PM EST (link)

New England are not conservatives. They NEVER have been. 300 years ago they were thinking that the people in the rest of the then-Colonies were “Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God.” This is where all the isms were invented. This is where the “perfectibility of man” is imprinted in people’s genes.

It really is a religious dispute; the Yankee version of salvation by works or the Southern version of salvation by Grace. The Yankees long ago abandoned God and substituted Marx and Foucault, but they still believe that they must work to make the World turn round.

Now, if you can come back to me with a reasonably accurate catalog of the literary allusions in those two paragraphs, I’ll believe that further discussion of this might be useful.

In Vino Veritas

You either missed my point...or ignored it...

AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, April 23rd at 2:09PM EST (link)

Whether they’re Conservative or not isn’t the issue…it’s the policy of trying to act like Democrats to beat5 Democrats that is the point…it’s failed to the point where there are no Republicans holding Congressional seats in all of New England.

The issue is that the Republican Party in these states have given up on trying to convince anyone of the rightness of the Conservative philosophy and instead tacitly agreed with the Democrats by trying to act like them. Since you like the word “PURGE” so much…if that was my goal…I’d be saying the squishes should have there way because they’d be gone soon by doing so…I can’t think of a better example of what a purge is than to have an entire region of the country be Republican Free based not on any attack by conservatives or tests of purity by the party but based on their own behavior and the total rejection of that behavior by the voters of that region!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 

BTW, I don't disagree with you vsv the two paragraphs as a historical fact nt

AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, April 23rd at 2:12PM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 
 
 

Re-Elect Chris Dodd in 2010!!

Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 8:08PM EST (link)

I guess that’s what we are suppose to do. I thought it would be a goog thing to take him down, gain a valuable Senate seat and help rebuild the party up here.

But Rob Simmons, or whoever else that can win the nomination and actually beat Dodd, will most likely have a moderate voting record, since the overwhelming majority of the people from Connecticutt are registered Democrats.

Only 90% ACU conservatives are acceptable. And since Connecticutt is a deep Blue state, why bother. Throw in the towel Rob. ITs not worth the money, aggrivation and invasion of privacy. Connecticutt Republicans don’t bother. The base says its a waste of time.

Let's replace Dodd by all means...but if Simmons place the patsy for the Democrats later...so long Simmons...

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 9:25PM EST (link)

It’s time for Republicans to decide what we stand for…and stand on it…we lose when we don’t stand for anything and right now we don’t stand for anything! If we do stand for something could you please tell me what it is because I can’t figure it out…last I looked most Republicans in the Senate are falling all over themselves to compromise on one issue or the other!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 

I mostly agree

aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 8:38PM EST (link)

By the time most of these “moderates” get elected, it’s too late: they’re already too entrenched and have developed too much of a power base to be primaried without a great amount of effort–effort that could be dedicated to beating Democrats. There are, however, some things that should be kept in mind:

1) We need to work on our recruitment skills long-term, as far as candidates are concerned, and work on getting Guiliani-like moderates who will advance conservatism in ways that their constituents agree with. The problem isn’t with politicians who vote liberal/Democratic some of the time, but with mealy-mouthed “moderates” who spend more time denouncing their party and praising Democrats than they do advancing conservative ideals. That’s a massive PR fallout that should be avoided by the candidates that we recruit, and I think that a change in our recruitment infrastructure could go a long way towards solving this problem.

2) On a similar vein, I think that the “moderates” who currently give us bad PR should be marginalized or primaried, if possible. If we have to have McCain, fine; just don’t give him a chairmanship! If Specter’s with us, that’s great, but please, don’t pass him the loudspeaker! Politicians like Jim Jeffords are oftentimes a net loss, and this needs to be recognized. I don’t include the Maine twins, simply because they don’t create the headaches that McCain and Specter do. Those who are deemed net losses should be culled, but only if possible, and only when there aren’t causes more important than that. Primarying is a luxury, and with the Dem majority in Congress, it’s one that we can’t afford.

3) This leads to my third point: the state’s red index. I’m fine with the Maine twins: their state trends very blue, so it’s only natural that they would, too. I’m less satisfied with politicians like McCain, and “moderates” who don’t represent their conservative constituents should be primaried if possible. Note the use of the term, “if possible”. There are some, like McCain, who are too intrenched and have too much political capital to be primaried. Don’t throw away your money “for the principle of the thing”; that quality doesn’t matter one whit when it comes to politics.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

Good points aesthete as far as moving toward the future goes...

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 9:33PM EST (link)

but the Swamp Yankees and the Streifs of this world will insist we can’t run any of the folks we recruit because they can win in New England or California. and with every election they lose they’ll point the finger at purists and ciurcular firing squads for their losses. I’ve been involved in this for 20 years and it hasn’t changed!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

Who was the last Governor of Massachussetts....?

NeoKong (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 9:58PM EST (link)

Mitt Romney I believe.A Mormon and a Republican.
Deval Patrick is the first Democrat in over twenty years and he promised everybody tax cuts up the yin yang.
He had to run to the right.

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good point...Romney acted like a fiscal conservative..as did patrick nt

AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, April 23rd at 2:14PM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 
 
 

I wish the DNC & RNC operated like sports franchises.

pilgrim (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 8:43PM EST (link)

Wouldn’t be nice just t arrange some trades? I’d be happy to trade Spector for Ben Nelson. If we can do RINO for DINO trades then both caucuses can be happy campers.


Activists Taking Action: Unified Patriots

 

It seems the crux of the argument is this

Wing Zero (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 8:43PM EST (link)

We need to elect R’s of any stripe to get in power

Why, when we have R’s that screw us over most of the time

(snow, collins, specter, hagel, The Usual Suspects)

Seems to me that we need to
1. Bolster our numbers in the more conservative states. South Dakota is a good example. We got rid of Daschle and got Thune.

2. In cases like Dodd, I HATE to say it, but 50% with us is better than 100% against us. Dodd may be unique, however. Are there any good conservatives running yet?

3. This is something I’ve thought about for a while. Convince conservative minded people from over the rest of the world that have an admiration for the US to come here, become citizens, and vote.

1-21-09 – We are so screwed… Wait… maybe not just yet.

 

It's in plain sight

Michael DeWeese (Diary) Thursday, April 23rd at 12:18AM EST (link)

Percentage of Republican in America March ’09 33.2% (trending down)
Percentage of Democrats in America Macrh ’09 38.7% (trending steady)
That leaves about 29% Independant.
We can not ever ever change the Progressive mind, they have an idealogical mindset indoctrinated during youth, not a political one. Progressives are in both parties. And this is insidious because you can not always tell who they are. Progressives tend to vote democrat. because more and more Democrats espouse the progressive ideaology. Most Conservatives tend to vote Republican, because Republicans tend to espouse a conservative idealogy.
If we split the Independants evenly, we loose to Dems by 5%.
Selecting Republicans to run for office is not the solution, recruiting voters to identify as Republicans and / or conservative is.
To beat the advance of the Progressives, money needs to be spent on registering Republicans, lots of them. Most people do not follow politics like some of us do. They vote party line when in doubt or uninformed.
Mirror organizations like ACORN and it’s ilk need to be formed for conservative causes. Grass roots advancing community issues and advancing Republican voter registration. A National organization that has many local offices that will supply organization, lawyers, and funds to fight local issues like property rights, privacy rights, local tax issues, etc. When a person needs help with such issues, they find they do not know where to go. For the opposition, they know, call ACLU, call ACORN, etc. and a team of experts is right on it for them. Until we can match that, we will continue to trend down in voter registration and slowly loose ground each election cycle to constant chips taken away from basic rights.

55555, you got it in one!

Beaglescout (Diary) Thursday, April 23rd at 1:50AM EST (link)

It’s all about education and recruitment. It’s not about running to the left!

“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”

–Alexander Hamilton
 
 

Republicans lose an election we move left Democrats lose and they move left...

DONTREADONME (Diary) Thursday, April 23rd at 12:22AM EST (link)

I remember Rush telling the audience back in 04 that the Democrats lose an election and they move farther left. Unfortunately, we lose an election and it must be that we are not left enough. That is the only point I have to make on this issue; time will tell if you are right.

obviously both were listening to democrats

Beaglescout (Diary) Thursday, April 23rd at 1:52AM EST (link)

is it a surprise that after both sides listen to democrats the democrats end up winning?

“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”

–Alexander Hamilton
 
 

We can't quite use the DEMS method.

Common_Cents (Diary) Thursday, April 23rd at 2:25PM EST (link)

The left has a big tent. They don’t really care about other issues as long as each group gets theirs attended to.

When you stand for nothing, you’ll fall for anything.

The left is made up of many types of victims, that is their common bond no matter what the issue really is. The other group are the fortunates that have given in to their guilt for having it so good.

The right has to stand for something and unite. The left doesn’t care as long as “the man” gets taken down for revenge, no matter if it even makes things worse for the left themselves. They want revenge at any cost.

Misery loves company.

Obama=Golfer in Chief, Leading from, behind, the Back Nine.
Leaders don’t create movements. Movements create leaders. Get involved. Your future depends on it.
Govt “invests” YOUR tax money for POLITICAL return rather than economic return.

 

To quote Captain Ramius

Right Reason (Diary) Thursday, April 23rd at 4:05PM EST (link)

“Your conclusions are all wrong!”

The democrats did not get where they are by letting the moderates in their midst set the agenda. Blue Dogs ran on conservative ideas, but I don’t see them calling the shots now. The Dems gladly welcome moderates, but they make it clear who runs the show.

I’m all for a big tent. Moderates are welcome – hell, so are liberals, but they need to know up front, “You’re welcome to join, THIS is what we stand for.”
That’s the purpose of the party in the first place – an organization where people with like ideas can come together to advance those ideas.

It’s not, “What do we need to stand for in order to get you to join?” If we subordinate our ideas to get more people in our group, then the only idea left is winning. When that happens, what’s the point?

Here’s the money quote:

“They fool themselves into believing that we can win if we just run good, clean candidates who can articulate a real conservative message. Wrong. Any Republican activist from a Blue or Purple state worth his salt will tell you otherwise.”

As a matter of fact, I DO believe we can win that way. Because I believe in conservatism. Poll after poll shows that this is a conservative country. California passed a constitutiional amendment against same sex marriage. CALIFORNIA! But I’m supposed to believe that the average voter in the blue and purple states won’t suppoort a conservative? That’s a load of CRAP! Oh, and those blue and purple state Republican activists? They’re a part of the problem!

I spent the first 40 years of my life in New York; bluest of the blue states and Democratic stonghold. I can tell you first hand the GOP’s problems in that state are certainly not that it’s become too exclusively conservative. The average New Yorker – not the activist liberal – the tax-paying, family-raising, go to work every day average New Yorker is clamoring for responsible government. But the state GOP is content to divide the spoils with the Dems. A conservative candidate who stuck to his principles would win in a landslide.

I said it in the other thread and I’ll repeat it here, anyone who doesn’t think that any conservative, properly backed, can beat any liberal doesn’t really believe in conservatism.

Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.

- Winston Churchill

World-class comment, Right Reason

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Thursday, April 23rd at 4:34PM EST (link)

I could not possibly agree more.

Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO

 

5 ∞ and beyond!!!!!.....

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Thursday, April 23rd at 4:41PM EST (link)

And I now reside in Vermont…and I hear the sentiment echoed by many here.

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat


 

You Apparently Didnt Read What I Wrote

Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Thursday, April 23rd at 6:00PM EST (link)

… and I quote myself ,

“Conservatives can fight in the courts, the schools and the media. Conservatives can control judicial appointments, the party platform and leadership posts. But we shouldn’t try to win a thirty year culture war in one election cycle by demanding that we nominate hard core conservatives in Blue and Purple states.”

Then you, “The democrats did not get where they are by letting the moderates in their midst set the agenda. Blue Dogs ran on conservative ideas, but I don’t see them calling the shots now. The Dems gladly welcome moderates, but they make it clear who runs the show.”

Its the same postion.

The rest is all speculation on your part. The fact is that Rick Santorum was a real conservative and an awesome Senator. He got smoked. I am an activist too. I

This is your money quote

“The average New Yorker – not the activist liberal – the tax-paying, family-raising, go to work every day average New Yorker is clamoring for responsible government”

Your right everybody wants that. Huh, that’s not what defines a 95% ACU conservative. Go to New York and talk about privitizing Social Security. Talk about rejecting stimulus money. Talk about defunding education. Talk about universal health care. Talk about clean envirornment. You speak in generalizations. People like repsonsible government and lower taxes like they want job security and health care. Its all relative on that level without getting into specifics.

And today isnt the past. Each generation has become more liberal. Older conservatives can barely differentiate generation X from generation Y, but they want to beleive that somehow all these teens, twentysomethings and thirtysomethings are really lost conservatives.

Where's the evidence that each generation

Right Reason (Diary) Friday, April 24th at 1:52PM EST (link)

has become more liberal? I do not agree with that statement at all!

Your second to last paragraph is just a gem. You criticize me for speaking in generalities, and then your last sentence concludes “without getting into specifics”. Priceless!

Let’s get into specifics:

- You think New Yorkers wouldn’t want out of Social Security if the alternative was CLEARLY articulated to them; that they’d choose a 2% return over a 5% return (in the most conservative private investments)?
- You think they wouildn’t agree with a choice to forego stimulus money when they can be shown that the money comes with strings that would create more obligations – and taxes – down the road?
- And I seem to have missed the conservative position to “defund” education. Conservatives want to return the cotrol of education – and the funding for it – to localities and away from the federal bureaucracy. You think they’d rather have someone in Washington tell them how to educate their kids?
- And health care. You think people really want the same organization that brought usd the wonders of DMV and the IRS running health care? If we clearly explain the inevitable rationing that will occur with “universal” health care, you don’t think they’d agree?
- And the environment. Let’s talk about how the US is doing better on greenhouse emissions than any of the Kyoto signers. Let’s show them how cap and trade will destroy the US economy. You think they’d still go along at the risk of their jobs and their pocketbooks?

Sorry, I don’t happen to think the American electorate is as stupid as you apparently do.

Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.

- Winston Churchill

New York

Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Friday, April 24th at 2:45PM EST (link)

I didnt sat the American electorate is as stupid. I said the New York electorate is stupid. Obama won by 26. All these Northeasrt state have these pockets of suburban conservatives and people use anecdotal evidence to convince themselves that the state is really conservative.

Of course, I’m sure those same people spend most of their time drinking in union bars, hanging out at the lcoal clubs, watching MTV, hanging out in Harlem and attending the Puerto Riquan parade annually. I used to work for Bloomberg. The Republicans are soft enough. The elecorate is even softer. There is no secret majority of Tom Coburn or Jim Demint conservatives in New York. Your lucky to get Rudy. To beleive otherwise is to beleive a lie.

One question

Right Reason (Diary) Friday, April 24th at 3:52PM EST (link)

If these voters won’t vote for a conservative, then how did Ronald Reagan carry 49 states (and New York by 8 points) in 1984?

Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.

- Winston Churchill

The Same Way

Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Saturday, April 25th at 9:33AM EST (link)

… Virginia, North Carolina, and Indiana voted for Obama. To apply your logic is to assume that Indiana is hard Left now. It’s not. They each caught a perfect storm.

The only difference being that Obama won last year and the race you speak of happened 25 years ago. People who were fifteen then are forty now. Kids have not sense of the Cold War. Look at the hispanic vote in 1984 compared to now. A whole new generation of liberally educated youth.

Your answer undercuts your premise

Right Reason (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 1:16AM EST (link)

If the 3 states you list can go for Obama and not be populated with unconvertible liberals, then why not New York? I’m sorry, Swamp Yankee, call me a cock-eyed optimist, but I just don’t think that there is any state in the union where a majority of the population would vote for liberal policies if they truly knew what those policies entail. We need to educate them and provide them with a clear alternative.

Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.

- Winston Churchill

 
 

Three reasons: the deep recession and Carter's obvious incompetence and weakness were paramount

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 1:29AM EST (link)

Third was that Reagan passed the safety test for many dems and inspired them with his unapologetic conservatism.

I suspect that the “environment” in 2010 will be very favorable for the GOP.

The problem is some blue states is the combination of govt employees, dependants on govt and rich elites insulated from the consequences of lib failed policies.

In 2012, I think we may be able to contest these states and in 2010 I think e can contest most states because I think this recession is going to get much worse for a very long time and that unless we are totally incompetent, the dems will own it.

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

 
 
 
 
 
 

History teachers are a major problem they tend to be very liberal

James_Reynolds (Diary) Thursday, April 23rd at 5:47PM EST (link)

and push their heavy opinionated biasm upon the class. This taints young peoples minds into following a certain perspective when they get older. We need to establish a good plan that incorporates teaching the young the truth behind the philosophies of our founding fathers. My proffessor of history tied to say state’s rights were only thought up to keep slavery and Jim Crowe laws nothing else. He did not even know what the 10th ammendment was when I asked him. It is this crap that sways college kids who eventually are the next voters.

An excellent idea would to create a non-profit that rates and certifies univeristies in presenting history and politics in an unbiased way.