Cowardly, Cruel, Mean Spirited, Immature, Unprofessional Jerks


Sarah drops the hint that her “debate preppers” may have been the source of some of the leaks (attention Operation Leper). In the interview embedded below, we see why she is no John McCain or George W. Bush. She confronts the issue and calls the leakers cowardly, cruel, mean spirited, immature, unprofessional jerks.

I think our problems have less to do with our message and more to do with our messengers. Our leaders have terrible communication skills. They are also afraid to attack their opponents in politics and the press. Sarah is great communicator, who possesses that rare combination of intelligence, articulateness, empathy and a certain intuitive sense that enables her to connect with broad audiences.

Furthermore, she is not afraid to attack the press or her opponents. That is a tactic that George Bush, Bob Dole, George W. Bush, John McCain and even Ronald Reagan reluctantly pursued. Our leaders pursued a more genteel discourse born of a more civil era. Good bye to all that. The rules of the game have changed and we need leaders who talk like this:

Sarah Palin 2012


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We need new leaders

10ksnooker (Diary) Friday, November 7th at 7:43PM EST (link)

We demand an upgrade.

Mike Pence for House leader.

Palin for Pres 2012.

 

The real straight talk express

KeyWestConservative (Diary) Friday, November 7th at 7:43PM EST (link)

This short clip reveals exactly why I, and at least 55 million Americans, LOVE Sarah Palin.
What a breath of fresh air.
Coincidentally, this clip also reveals why those Washington insiders and moderate RINOs are so afraid of her. You just know if she was sure who spread the lies and rumors about her she would have named their names and left them to the mercy of Operation Leper.
Go Sarah!

 

She's pissed!

Common_Cents (Diary) Friday, November 7th at 7:44PM EST (link)

For good reason. Maybe that’ll wake up the conservative movement to take back Washington from our ElectedElites.

Palin was attacked for one reason only, she is an outsider and threatens the cozy incestual Washington DC gravy train.

Obama=Golfer in Chief, Leading from, behind, the Back Nine.
Leaders don’t create movements. Movements create leaders. Get involved. Your future depends on it.
Govt “invests” YOUR tax money for POLITICAL return rather than economic return.

 

The CNN video has strangely disappeared.

mbecker908 (Diary) Friday, November 7th at 7:47PM EST (link)

CNN's video embedding system isn't very good.

Moe Lane (Diary) Friday, November 7th at 7:49PM EST (link)
 

Sarah is being too nice

jazzycmk (Diary) Friday, November 7th at 7:50PM EST (link)

She’s a bigger person than I.

But you’re absolutely right, despite the fact the media is slanted against them, too many Republican leaders have tried playing “nice” with the MSM. I will give some credit to Bush’s most recent press secretary (Dana Perrino (sp?) is it?). She has shown some spunk and fire and has not always kow-towed to the MSM.

This situation could cause a real meltdown of the GOP. Where are you John McCain and why haven’t you done something about it? If this keeps up, I wouldn’t blame Sarah for abandoning the party that is currently abandoning her. And if she leaves, she will take a lot of people with her.

jcmk

“90% of people don’t care about your problems…..and the other 10% are glad you have them” – former football coach Lou Holtz

 

Sara is Moose Hunting Awesome!!!!

Wubbies World (Diary) Friday, November 7th at 8:19PM EST (link)

This is the kind of conservative leadership we need. Conservative leadership that will fight for what we believe in!!!

Where do I mail my check? Where do I volunteer? Lets start the prep work for 2012!!!

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That's my girl

Jack_Savage (Diary) Friday, November 7th at 8:49PM EST (link)

And DON’T make Todd whip some preening little debate prepper’s a$$.

Darn!

mbecker908 (Diary) Friday, November 7th at 9:17PM EST (link)
 

I like Sarah. I don't like

Tbone (Diary) Friday, November 7th at 9:19PM EST (link)

anybody else involved in the McCain trainwreck. I see the old fart is going to be on Jay Leno who relentlessly made fun of him. I don’t know how McCain is going to talk with his lips full of Jay’s ass.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

It really is creepy that he seems to be happy

janis (Diary) Friday, November 7th at 9:32PM EST (link)

just to still be invited to be on shows like Leno’s. So do we arrive at the conclusion that much of his behavior is because he just loves the attention?

The inevitable retirement is going to be particularly hard for him.

Good.

Tony Snow did it too

Beaglescout (Diary) Friday, November 7th at 10:06PM EST (link)

Snow called out morally equivocating reprobates like Helen Thomas in the White House press room for their hostile questions and mistaken premises. That’s why he was by far better than Milquetoast McLellan or Ari Fleischer, who both accepted hostile premises without blinking, every time they did so weakening their administration’s stance.

It’s like Laura Ingraham was saying today. Republicans need to stand for excellence and competence. The Dubya White House did not, starting with the public face of the White House for much of his time in office. Mike Browne, Paul Bremer, George Tenet, Fallon and Casey, Colin Powell, Richard Armitage, are other examples of either incompetent or insubordinate employees of the President. They should have all been cleared out, just like Bush should have fired all the Clinton assistant AGs when he went into office. He could have always rehired the good ones after vetting them.

Every time another betrayal (either of incompetence or insubordination) popped up at the White House it was another drip in the “drip drip drip” of cronies and incompetents at the White House. That narrative was a big part of what fed the media derangement about George W. Bush, and it also demoralized Bush’s would-be supporters.

Competence, excellence, principles, and spreading the gospel of economic and individual liberty far and wide into every corner, even the most hostile socialist eddies, are the big ideas that will make the Republican party strong again. Then it will be up to the people to put the Republicans back into power. Do not go to the Democrats on the left. Show them how to come to reason.

And yes, reason is on our side.

“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”

–Alexander Hamilton

Absolutely right about Snow

jazzycmk (Diary) Saturday, November 8th at 1:20AM EST (link)

I miss Tony. How could I forget some of his memorable exchanges regarding the war in Iraq?

GOP could use a stand-up guy like him right now. I bet he would be incensed at what they’re doing to Palin.

jcmk

“90% of people don’t care about your problems…..and the other 10% are glad you have them” – former football coach Lou Holtz

 
 
 
 

Palin has fire, but

Hermes (Diary) Sunday, November 9th at 12:28AM EST (link)

She lacks experience in handling the press. The Katie Couric interview (although most likely edited by CBS to make her look as bas as possible) would have gone much better had Palin shown some of the fire that she is showing now along with some, for lack of a better word, “deftness.”

President Kennedy was a master at handling the press. He met hostile questions with wit and a way of turning the question back on the questioner. In the type of hostile media environment that the GOP has to operate in, such skills almost become mandatory to those seeking national office. President Reagan had at least a glimmer of Kennedy’s skill; Bush I and II were almost the anti-Kennedy in terms of their press-handling skills. A big part of the GOP’s losses in 2006 and 2008 can be directly attributed to President Bush’s utter failure to lead his party competently and effectively in a hostile environment.

 

It was nice to hear the REAL "Straight Talk" again.

nogyro35 (Diary) Sunday, November 9th at 12:34AM EST (link)

As much as I was repulsed by this obvious attempt at stabbing Governor Palin in the back, I have to admit it was nice listening to her rip into another Washington political hack.

One of the real downers of losing this election was that she would have to go back to Alaska.

I may be a complete idiot for saying this, but could she start her campaign for 2010 now, because the greater 48 will be boring and wimpy without her.

Experience in handling the Press?

Joel Farnham (Diary) Sunday, November 9th at 1:09AM EST (link)

Her handlers had a terrible time controlling her after she realized she had nothing to gain from them. At least that is the way I see it.

Other than the heavily edited “Bimbette Katie” interview and the heavily edited “Professorial UpChuck” interview, she has done fine with interviews. Indeed she catches them faster than they think.

The “handlers” should have never even tried to handle Sarah Palin. She articulates the basics of Conservatism better than the architects of Conservatism.

The reason why she is a threat is that she is a GREAT COMMUNICATOR of those IDEAS. Not only is she a great communicator, she also acts great too.

Call me what you want, just don’t call me late for dinner.

Gawd!!!!!!

Joel Farnham (Diary) Sunday, November 9th at 1:55AM EST (link)

It is not a matter of money. It is a matter of belief.

Make no mistake that your money will be accepted.

But this is so much more a matter of belief than money will ever mean.

Call me what you want, just don’t call me late for dinner.

I disagree.

Rod_Patrick (Diary) Sunday, November 9th at 2:51AM EST (link)

McCain’s pragmatist strategy caught Sarah Palin “unprepared”. You would say the same thing if it’s Jindal or any other newcomer like Cantor.

They really need some extra preparations, not the idiotic “2 months”.

It’s not the newcomers’ sin. It’s McCain campaign strategy’s error. But it’s given us some good points. McCain has been pandering to the leftist media too much. It’s clear now that Sarah was thrown in the lions’ den.

Enough of this theory that our Candidates have to go to the liberal media for “blessings of damnation”!

Next time, our candidate must go the media at the time of their own choosing.

Times Change

Davo (Diary) Sunday, November 9th at 6:28AM EST (link)

Well, she has the experience now! A week before the republican convention she was eating a corn dog at the Alaska state fair chatting with the locals. Check hereThe Palins.
She has been through a national campaign on the the receiving end of the most scurrilous unrelenting personal attacks I have seen in my lifetime. Two hour interviews by the press condensed to 6 minutes of “gotcha”. Lies, treachery and deceit at every turn. Yet she maintained here poise stuck to the script and tried as hard as she could to get John McCain elected. “Let Sarah be Sarah” was a constaint plea from people who could feel her inner truth.

Now we have four years of Jimmy Carter II and the next campaign will bring a strong conservative to the fore. It may very well be Sarah Palin. I doubt seriously if it will include any of the current participants.

Never Give In, Never, Never, Never

 
 
 
 
 

Conservative leadership that will fight for what we believe in!!!

simple Sunday, November 9th at 9:00AM EST (link)

But the question is – what do you believe in?

Obama, in his election night address, said, ‘Let’s remember that it was a man from this state who first carried the banner of the Republican Party to the White House, a party founded on the values of self-reliance and individual liberty and national unity.’ And continues, ‘Those are values that we all share.’

So self-reliance, individual liberty, and national unity are common goals. What are conservative goals? How are they different?

Small government and fiscal discipline? From 1946 to today, Democrat presidents pushed the deficit up by 3.2 percent per year. Republican presidents, on the other hand, increased the budget deficit by 9.7 percent (thanks to Reagan and Bush Jr.). In other words, since 1946 Republican presidents have outspent Democrat presidents by almost 3-1. At no time since 1945 when Republicans have been in total charge of both elected branches of government have they ever reduced spending. As President Reagan entered office in 1981 he repeatedly called for a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution, yet never submitted a balanced budget himself. Many blame the Democratically controlled Congress for the “big spending” during his administration, though Republicans controlled the Senate for the first six years of his two terms. Only during the last two years of the Reagan administration was the Congress completely controlled by Democrats, and the records show that the growth of the debt slowed during this period. It appears that the frequently referenced Reagan’s Conservative mythology is contrary to the truth, he was an award winning, record setting liberal spender and government grower.

So clearly small government and fiscal discipline are not core values.

Lower taxes? The top marginal tax rate has been reduced steadily since the 1930’s. Under Nixon, they were 70%. Now Obama is suggesting raising these taxes from 35 to 39%, and is labelled a Marxist trying to implement socialism?

The separation of church and state is a legal and political principle derived from the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and Article Six of the United States Constitution provides that “no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States”.

So, religion is not mentioned in the constitution and is not required for holders of any public office. Is religion important to conservatives?
Returning to the original question, what is important to conservatives? What would they like to see in the Republican party in the future, or what ideals would they like to see in the next Republican leader? What are conservative views?

I am genuinely interested in knowing what are the cornerstones of conservatism in the United States?

That's just empty hope

Hermes (Diary) Sunday, November 9th at 10:35AM EST (link)

I like Sarah Palin as much as any member of the GOP base. She’s a strong, attractive woman who stands for values that resonate with me.

In time, she may prove worthy of a seat in the United States Senate.

Attempting to potray her as a “Great Communicator” and the next Ronald Reagan are just the desperate, empty longings of a dispirited base clinging to any hope of escaping Obama. Palin is a “folksy” speaker who does very well with crowds. Unfortunately, that sytle does not translate well to debates and sit-down interviews. Palin’s skills are more in-line with fundraising and motivating crowds, not in giving nuanced policy answers or engaging in debates over political ideology.

Palin should be employed in the role that she is best at: firing up the base. She lacks both the experience and, frankly, the education to challenge a cool, collected media darling like Obama or a major media figure like Katie Couric who has been around the block many, many times. Please don’t mistake this for Palin-bashing; it certainly isn’t. I am just pointing out that every member of the GOP has a role to play if we are to retake the government in 2010/2012. Palin’s is to fire up the base, raise funds, and generally irritate the libs. Someone like Bobby Jindal is more suited to policy debates. Although he (currently) lacks experience, he will be ready for the national stage in 4 years. He is a generally eloquent speaker who has no problems explaining the intellectual basis of conservative political philosophy. Palin is a true believer, but cannot articulate the deeper points; that is her biggest failing and it was clearly on display for all to see during her two month saga.

 
 

Wow!

Right_Again (Diary) Sunday, November 9th at 2:46PM EST (link)

Way to go Sarah. Let ‘em have it.

That is so refreshing to hear one of ours putting it so bluntly.

I hope she takes after wayward Democrats and members of the media (but I repeat myself) in a similar manner when they are cowardly, cruel, mean-spirited, immature, unprofessional jerks. She will have plenty of opportunities.

It's your comments that are empty

emgbane (Diary) Sunday, November 9th at 8:16PM EST (link)

I would not base my view of her ability to communicate on two interviews, or anything that happened during the campaign. Just watch her since the campaign has ended. Listen to what she has actually said about the role of media. The fact is she has said it is important to communicate through media. It appears that in Alaska she communicates quite freely with the press.

Listen to her in this interview I linked to below. In it she states her clear view on the role of press and the interviewer indicates that this in not a new opinion, but rather a routine part of how she governs. Let’s not forget her degree is in journalism, and she is a former sports anchor. In Greta‘s profile of her you can see interviews she gave back when she was mayor in the 1990s.

http://www.bobandmark.com/node/2448

Not to mention his policies

emgbane (Diary) Sunday, November 9th at 9:18PM EST (link)

Not one veto in the first 6 years. Kennedy writing bills. President Bush had many faults, I do not think his press handling was his biggest fault. His big spending anti-conservative policies were much worse. A republican President who would rather make deals with Senate liberals than House conservatives is very bad for the GOP.

Stop writing that Palin lacks experience with the press it simply is not true.

I think it’s odd that we should find anything of value in the Washington media dance were the press ask unimportant questions, and politicians pretend to answer while trying to run out the clock. It is refreshing to watch Palin respond to the questions she is asked, and to admit when she does not know the answer. It is also great that she is willing to ask for clarification on vague ill formed questions.

I’m also glad she thought Couric’s questions were a waste of her time, because they were. I mean really why was she asking the VP candidate to name McCain legislation or books that she has read. This was an interview with a VP candidate why not ask substantive questions that would help voters differentiate been the two tickets.

R does not mean conservative

emgbane (Diary) Sunday, November 9th at 11:59PM EST (link)

I think you first need to not equate republican with conservative. Anyway in the time period you mentioned Reagan was the only Conservative President. I don’t imagine Reagan would have been able to produce a balanced budget while trying to increase defense spending and win the cold war given the level of non-discretionary spending in the federal budget. I’d have to look, but I’m sure he reduced discretionary spending. I recall he created the trust funds to try an ensure there was enough money for social security to meet the needs of baby boom retirees.

Democrats often reduce spending by cutting defense. It also funny that the dates your site are after FDR‘s huge government spending orgy. Regardless spending bills originate in the House. Democrats controlled the House for over 40 years. When Republicans took over the House after the 1994 election we saw actual spending cuts, deficit reduction and projected surpluses. I think until we actually see conservatives in charge at both ends of Pennsylvania avenue it is impossible to say what Conservative policies would look like.

In the best possible world programs, departments, and agencies would actually be eliminated.

What was Reagan’s top marginal rate? When he came into office it was 70%, and when he left office it was 28% .

Just to reiterate not all Republicans are conservative and not all Democrats are liberal. Only limited government conservatives try to shrink the size and scope of government. Great society programs grew under both Nixon and Ford. Rockefeller was Ford’s VP. If the liberal majorities elected with Carter had not changed House rules, the conservative southern democratic committee chairmen would have blocked many of his reforms. One should never assume R means conservative. Bush even makes me look twice at the term social conservative. Maybe he should have been called a pro-life, pro-gun liberal.

I really like that Palin was a Steve Forbes supporter that gives me hope for her fiscal common sense.

I don’t understand the religious question.

Don’t be silly, no one is calling Obama a socialist because he wants to raise the top marginal rate. We calling him socialist because he wants to give tax cuts to folks not paying taxes, he wants to give us national health care, and he wants to use cap and trade to bankrupt industries. Additionally, he thinks the Constitution is fatally flawed because it does not give government redistributive powers. Time will tell, but if it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck. It’s must be a centrist democrat.

R does not mean conservative

emgbane (Diary) Monday, November 10th at 12:00AM EST (link)

I think you first need to not equate republican with conservative. Anyway in the time period you mentioned Reagan was the only Conservative President. I don’t imagine Reagan would have been able to produce a balanced budget while trying to increase defense spending and win the cold war given the level of non-discretionary spending in the federal budget. I’d have to look, but I’m sure he reduced discretionary spending. I recall he created the trust funds to try an ensure there was enough money for social security to meet the needs of baby boom retirees.

Democrats often reduce spending by cutting defense. It also funny that the dates your site are after FDR‘s huge government spending orgy. Regardless spending bills originate in the House. Democrats controlled the House for over 40 years. When Republicans took over the House after the 1994 election we saw actual spending cuts, deficit reduction and projected surpluses. I think until we actually see conservatives in charge at both ends of Pennsylvania avenue it is impossible to say what Conservative policies would look like.

In the best possible world programs, departments, and agencies would actually be eliminated.

What was Reagan’s top marginal rate? When he came into office it was 70%, and when he left office it was 28% .

Just to reiterate not all Republicans are conservative and not all Democrats are liberal. Only limited government conservatives try to shrink the size and scope of government. Great society programs grew under both Nixon and Ford. Rockefeller was Ford’s VP. If the liberal majorities elected with Carter had not changed House rules, the conservative southern democratic committee chairmen would have blocked many of his reforms. One should never assume R means conservative. Bush even makes me look twice at the term social conservative. Maybe he should have been called a pro-life, pro-gun liberal.

I really like that Palin was a Steve Forbes supporter that gives me hope for her fiscal common sense.

I don’t understand the religious question.

Don’t be silly, no one is calling Obama a socialist because he wants to raise the top marginal rate. We calling him socialist because he wants to give tax cuts to folks not paying taxes, he wants to give us national health care, and he wants to use cap and trade to bankrupt industries. Additionally, he thinks the Constitution is fatally flawed because it does not give government redistributive powers. Time will tell, but if it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck. It’s must be a centrist democrat.

It is vitally impotant

Hermes (Diary) Monday, November 10th at 12:12AM EST (link)

The general lib meme these days is that conservatives are brain-dead barbarians. The only way to counter that is to roll out leaders and spokespeople who have the ability to argue the deeper points of conservative philosophy. Couric was simply trotting out the meme and Palin walked into it. Prior to this campaign had Governor Palin actually read Burke? Or Mises? Or even heard of them?

She is a great lady, no doubt. She gives speeches that are genuinely inspiring, but deeper discussions on political philosophy are not her thing. Bobby Jindal, Newt Gingrich, sure. Sarah Palin, no. She can dink-and-dunk with the Alaska press all she likes. That’s fine, but the national stage is a completely different ballgame. If conservatives ever want to break out of the Chimpy McBushHitler roll that we have been assigned, we are going to have to put people out there who have the knowledge of necessary political philosophy and the ability to effectively communicate that knowledge. Otherwise we’ll just keep getting the same treatment that President Bush, rightly or wrongly, got.

R does not mean conservative

simple Monday, November 10th at 3:32AM EST (link)

emgbane

I am beginning to understand R does not = conservative. Puts a different perspective on things.

After 1994, there may well have been spending cuts, even projected surpluses, but not debt reduction.

However, as regards taxes, you get what you pay for. Surely low taxes are one reason the US has poorer health and shorter average lifespans (30th according to the 2007 CIA World Factbook) than the countries (UK, Spain, France, Germany and others) from which most of the population today is biologically derived? And partly why education levels are, on average, low – as may be inferred from numerous surveys such as the Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) test where US students do not rank in the top 20, worldwide.

Certainly Reagan spoke tough when it came to the USSR, but the reality was that the Soviet Union was going broke anyway – partly because of the military occupation of Afganistan. There is a lesson for the US there.

The religious mention was because this is frequently mentioned by posters on redstate – although I do not know if this is a core value.

She just got experience

youthgrunt (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 8:52AM EST (link)

An old Robert E. Lee quote (at least attributed to him) is:

“Judgment comes from experience. Experience from poor judgment.”

With a couple of interviews, Palin gained a lot of judgment. She does seem to actually learn from her mistakes, which in and of itself puts her ahead of many of her competitors.

The parallels between Palin and Quayle are numerous. Both young and thrust into the role of VP candidate with little notice. Both non-urban types with a little funny accent. Both hated by the press. Both hurt by the way that their handlers worked with them. She would have had a hard time of it had she been elected.

Now, she can take the lessons learned in a failed campaign and be a much better candidate. Do you think her reading habits have changed from a year ago to today? You betcha.

simple

emgbane (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 12:24PM EST (link)

“After 1994, there may well have been spending cuts, even projected surpluses, but not debt reduction.”

Eliminating the deficit effects debt, because the deficits increase debt. However rather then apply the projected surpluses to debt reduction it was applied to new spending . Of course its already been conceded that President Bush was not fiscally conservative.

“Surely low taxes are one reason the US has poorer health and shorter average lifespans (30th according to the 2007 CIA World Factbook) than the countries (UK, Spain, France, Germany and others) from which most of the population today is biologically derived?”

I certainly would not concede that point. Do you really imagine our taxes levels effect our health care and average lifespan. Rather than get into a dialogue about our excellent health care system. I will just ask the simpler question. Was our health care better when the top rate was 90% or when it was 70%?

“And partly why education levels are, on average, low – as may be inferred from numerous surveys such as the Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) test where US students do not rank in the top 20, worldwide.”

Again do we really pay too little for education? Personally, I think one is better off looking a worker productivity numbers then education numbers to see how we are doing. The USA offers many opportunities to be productive members of society so I am not that concerned with where are students rank on some international test. Frankly those bright international students will likely come to the USA to reach their full potential since many of our industries are cutting edge and our capitalist system is very vibrant. In the USA entrepreneurship is rewarded.

“Certainly Reagan spoke tough when it came to the USSR, but the reality was that the Soviet Union was going broke anyway – partly because of the military occupation of Afganistan. There is a lesson for the US there.”

Don’t let facts get in the way of that opinion. How expensive would Afganistan have been if the USA was not involved in providing support to the Afghan fighters? The Soviet Union could not keep up with the USA military build up. If we have continued SALT1 and SALT2, weapons reductions we would not have bankrupted them.

“The religious mention was because this is frequently mentioned by posters on redstate – although I do not know if this is a core value.”

I happen to be a Christian. That is my world view it shapes my understanding of the nature of man. Of course, not all people who call themselves Christians belief that the bible is true. I think if one believes that man is inherently good, and that our systems are perfectible they hold an idealist world view. Some Christians hold that world view. I certainly think President Bush holds that world view. I personally believe that is inconsistent with scripture, but just like there are liberal politicians there are liberal Christians.

Is religion important? That depends what you are talking about. It is fundamental to one’s salvation and that is about eternity so on a personal level there is nothing more important. At a political level, I do not think one should vote for someone based on their religious faith. I base that view on scripture because according to the Bible I cannot know what is in someone’s heart. I rather judge people by their actions.

Do you reject your world view when you make political judgments.

Bzzt

Finrod (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 5:44PM EST (link)

The separation of church and state is a legal and political principle derived from the First Amendment to the United States Constitution ..

Falsely derived, I might add. It came from a Thomas Jefferson speech years after the Bill of Rights was passed (which Jefferson was not a part of the debate on, being our Ambassador to France at the time).

A more proper reading is that government cannot interfere with free exercise of religion, and cannot favor a particular religion at the expense of others (i.e. there will never be a Church of the United States).

Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?

I hate it

mbauer (Diary) Tuesday, November 11th at 7:57PM EST (link)

but I agree.

My father and I were engaged in a discussion after election night. In it he noted that Sarah likely isn’t the most intelligent person to run for national office but she is the most genuine.

We, as the philosophical conservative base, are so attracted to her leadership because we don’t need to be taught conservative philosophy. We just have to trust our leader to follow through on it. Few acquire our trust in the same capacity at Governor Palin. I am excited to watch the role she plays in the GOP even if it likely isn’t as our presidential nominee. Maybe when she’s done with Alaska she can just move on become governor of another state that a conservative backbone.

I’m as anxious as anyone to take pride in a nominee in 2012. I would really like to see names besides Palin Jindal and Romney thrown around.

throw one around

emgbane (Diary) Wednesday, November 12th at 8:24AM EST (link)

Name someone else please. Moreover, I would not judge someone’s intelligence base on how they communicate with large groups. Showing you’re the brightest person in the room by speaking over everyone’s head might be impressive, but it’s not very effective communication.

Political speech is about communicating ideas, and communicating them so the average person can understand.

It’s not always easy to speak in a way that you are understood, and yet not appear condescending. I think Palin has been demonstrating awesome communincation skills. Perhaps it’s because she is Mom, who had to explain things to her kids. I know it is sometimes very difficult to communicate with young people to choose words they will understand, to not assume they recgonize the same reference points as you.

Let’s remember she is a college graduate, a professional with years of work experience and she is small business owner. Do you really imagine she is not bright?

Oh yeah

emgbane (Diary) Wednesday, November 12th at 9:02AM EST (link)

Oh yeah that is what the public is clamoring for, someone who can breakdown conservative political thought for us.

I know that’s what I want, not a leader who believes in smaller government and then actually cuts the budget. No I want a leader who can explain Burke and Kirk and Hayek.

Not a leader who says she’s a pro-life feminist and then lives out those values, no I want a leader who can explain Burke and Kirk and Hayek.

Not a leader leader who says she pro-gun, and then is a hunter and lifetime member of the NRA, no I want a leader who can explain Burke and Kirk and Hayek.

Let’s see do I want a President who is a proven leader with a record of being Pro-life, Pro-2nd amendment and Pro-fiscal restraint or do I want a political philosophy professor.

To be clear

mbauer (Diary) Wednesday, November 12th at 1:57PM EST (link)

I don’t claim to think she is anything but very intelligent. I was comparing her to those who run for presidency, and claiming that such a cream of the crop group, she doesn’t stand out for intelligence there (I’m also not claiming she is near the bottom).

near the bottom of the cream of crop really?

emgbane (Diary) Wednesday, November 12th at 5:40PM EST (link)

You’re joking right. I mean Joe Biden, Mitt Romney, Hillary Clinton, Duncan Hunter, Mike Gravel, John McCain, Barrack Obama, Ron Paul, Chris Dodd, Rudy Giuliani, John Edwards, Fred Thompson (my guy), Mike Huckabee, Bill Richardson, Jim Gilmore, Dennis Kucinich, Cynthia McKinney, Bob Barr, Tom Tancredo, Brian P. Moore, Ralph Nader, Alan Keyes, Sam Brownback — Cream of the crop.

Not to mention John Kerry, George Bush, and Howard Dean.

Governor Palin is not in these folks league.

Well emg

Hermes (Diary) Thursday, November 13th at 11:57PM EST (link)

If you just want a demagogue, I’m sure President Obama will do just fine for you.

If, on the other hand, you actually want an authentic conservative who has the ability to go head to head with MSM types on topics less banal than American Idol, you are going to have to back someone with an education, like, as I pointed out above, Bobby Jindal or Newt Gingrich. Again, I am not trying to bash Governor Palin, but I do think that her lack of experience and lack of erudition showed. Badly. The press made a chimp out of her. In 2012, she may be more prepared to handle the deeper questions. I, and I suspect many conservatives, are getting rather tired of leaders who are incapable of using polysyllabic words. Maybe you aren’t and that’s fine, but that path leads to populist demagoguery of the William Jennings Bryan type.

A “gut instinct” conservative might make it at the state level and might fire up the crowds, but at some point they are going to have to step up and demonstrate grown-up talk. President Bush utterly failed in that regard, helping to cripple the GOP brand. I want a leader who actually understands what they are doing and why, not just “muddling through.” If Palin, or any other conservative, does not “get” why they believe what they do, how the heck are the going to convince others?

I sincerely hope so

Hermes (Diary) Friday, November 14th at 12:00AM EST (link)

I hope Governor Palin has added some theory to her reading list. I hope by 2012, if she is, indeed, the great hope of the GOP that she is capable of discussing, at length, what conservatives believe and why conservatives believe what we believe. Reading political philosophy is about the only way to learn how to do that. If she chooses not to educate herself and prepare for 2012, then chimpdom again awaits her.

extremely or utterly foolish

emgbane (Diary) Friday, November 14th at 1:21PM EST (link)

What is it you?

Are you some political science student? You seem to be completely oblivious to reality. Have you a clue what it takes to win elected office in this country?

“If you just want a demagogue, I’m sure President Obama will do just fine for you.”

What a ridiculous comment, if anyone wants a demagogue is seems to be you.

“If, on the other hand, you actually want an authentic conservative who has the ability to go head to head with MSM types on topics less banal than American Idol, you are going to have to back someone with an education, like, as I pointed out above, Bobby Jindal or Newt Gingrich.”

Give me a break. Did you notice what happened to Newt Gingrich in the media after 1994? How often did the media and President Clinton make a ‘chimp’ out of him? Keep writing about Jindal, a man most voters could not pick out of a line-up. However, let us recall in his first run for Governor he was defeated by the very impressive Kathleen Blanco. Palin on the other hand had to defeat incumbent Governor Frank Murkowski and former governor Tony Knowles.

One wonders if the wise voters of Louisiana would have returned Blanco to office as they did Nagin, and Congressman Jefferson. Regardless, in 2003 the brilliant Jindal could not convince the conservative voters of Louisiana to give him the keys to the Governor’s mansion. Therefore, he ran for House of Representatives and served two terms. He has been in office since January. He has been in office 11 months.

What has he accomplished? You seem to be impressed with something. Is it how he talks? Governor Palin has been in elective office since 1992 and at each level of government, she has had a record of accomplishment. What has Jindal accomplished in elective office?

“I, and I suspect many conservatives, are getting rather tired of leaders who are incapable of using polysyllabic words.”

You are being asinine, three syllables, meaning extremely or utterly foolish.

You have a right to you own opinion, but you seemed to be in the minority. Perhaps you are a three or an eight per center. Anyone with eyes and ears knows your comments about governor Palin’s abilities are without merit.

From Scott Rasmussen:

Ninety-one percent (91%) of Republicans have a favorable view of Palin, including 65% who say their view is Very Favorable. Only eight percent (8%) have an unfavorable view of her, including three percent (3%) Very Unfavorable.

When asked to choose among some of the GOP’s top names for their choice for the party’s 2012 presidential nominee, 64% say Palin. The next closest contenders are two former governors and unsuccessful challengers for the presidential nomination this year — Mike Huckabee of Arkansas with 12% support and Mitt Romney of Massachusetts with 11%.

Must have hit home, since you've gone personal

Hermes (Diary) Friday, November 14th at 3:38PM EST (link)

Ah, name calling. The last resort of the desperate debater.

For the record, I have not “bashed” Governor Palin. I have repeatedly mentioned that she is an inspirational speaker whose values resonate with me. To read my comments as some kind of anti-Palin diatribe displays startling lack of reading comprehension skills.

Whether or not I have a clue as to what it takes to win elected office in this country is irrelevant; a more appropriate question is: do John McCain and Sarah Palin. The answer given by the majority of American voters was no.

Pitch all the fits you like about my criticism of Palin’s inability to articulate conservative political philosophy. When Palin had to deliver in the two major interviews that she was allowed by the McCain campaign staff, she failed. Couric and, to a lesser extent, Gibson, made her look like an uneducated, clueless hick. We can screech about a liberal media all we like; that isn’t going to change things one bit by 2012. Whomever our candidate is will face a hostile media. If they display the same startling lack of wit and erudition that Governor Palin did, then we will see yet another GOP disaster. I’d rather not see that happen.

When addressing the media, a conservative candidate must have either sparkling wit like Fred Thompson and Mike Huckabee or the ability to convey rapier-like insights into the arguments of political and economic philosophy. William F. Buckley and Milton Friedman were examplars of the latter class. Ideally a candidate possesses both sets of skills, but such is a rare person.

Governor Jindal has accomplished quite a bit in his short time in office. Major ethics reform that many thought impossible was passed very quickly after he took office. He vetoed a legislative pay raise and has attracted three Fortune 500 companies to the state of Louisiana when it previously had none. Additionally, Jindal, though soft-spoken, is well-spoken and has the ability to communicate the knowledge that he acquired as a double major at Brown University and as a Rhodes scholar and graduate of Oxford University. His defeat in 2003 was fairly close and might have had more to do with the fact that Blanco was a well-known figure having been Lt. Governor, while Jindal was running for office for the first time.

Regarding whether voters can pick him out of a line-up: could they pick out Sarah Palin a year ago? She was less of a known commodity than Jindal, given that she is from the howling wilderness of backwoods Alaska. So that argument falls flat on its face.

You seem to display the growing and alarming trend amongst conservatives toward anti-intellectual bias. I’ve heard this jabber from Rush more and more and I’m beginning to pick it up from bloggers. Despite the admittedly leftist bias of academia, there simply is no substitute for a university education. For those in non-technical fields, I heartily recommend coursework in English, philosophy, political science, and history. President Bush, a business and management type, lacked a strong background in the humanities and it really showed over 8 years. Governor Palin, a journalism major, might have done better, but didn’t. Governor Jindal, the proud owner of a graduate degree in political science from Oxford, does do a LOT better. Unless conservatives start learning what conservatism is all about, we are going to keep losing the debate to well-educated lefties like Obama.

Oh so Jindal from OXFORD :sniff: is much more...

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Friday, November 14th at 4:05PM EST (link)

intelligent that Palin because she doesn’t come from an elite university….why I do believe you would be one of those Rockefeller Republicans….did any one tell you all you are persona non grata until you get your heads out of the clouds and into the reality that ANYONE with CONSERVATIVE arguments are the NEW PARTY!

We are fighting against educated leftist we are fighting against the MOB of leftist…..if you are for small government, low taxes and giving social issue’s back to the states WELL ding ding ding you are a Conservative and WE don’t care if you went to Technical School….you see to be President of the United States of America does not require a college education at all….and with all the liberal idiots the colleges are turning out that is a GOOD THING!

Was there a point in there?

Hermes (Diary) Friday, November 14th at 5:55PM EST (link)

Or did you just want to rant against people with graduate degrees?

I’m sorry that you have such a poor opinion of the university system in the United States. As I’ve already conceded several times, American scholars tend to be leftist in their political views. Does that somehow invalidate their claim to be educators?

Or perhaps you are espousing the view that people with university educations shouldn’t be allowed in office. If so, that pretty much removes you from the mainstream of American conservatism and lumps you right in with populist demagogues and luddites.

No, I am not a Rockefeller Republican. I happen to be a libertarian-leaning paleocon. I also happen to be a proud resident of the Ivory Tower of academia. Before you jump back on the “beat down the profs” bandwagon, I suggest you take a look at the source of most of the ideas that GOP party leaders and media figures talk about; I’ll give you a hint, they didn’t originate with high-school dropouts. Or do these names not sound familiar to you: Heritage Foundation, Cato Institute, Hoover Institution, American Enterprise Institute, Mises Institute, etc., etc. The list is quite long.

Allow me to repeat myself, I am NOT bashing Sarah Palin. My concern is that given the extreme hostility of the national media environment, conservative candidates need to be able to address questions of moderate depth regarding political philosophy and economics. In order to do that, they must either be well-educated and able to communicate or have teflon coating like Fred Thompson and Mike Huckabee. Palin demonstrated neither trait in 2008. I sincerely hope that she rebounds and is ready for 2012, but in the meantime, I prefer to stick with candidates who have a resume showing that they either know or should know what the heck they are talking about when it comes to politics and economics. What is your major objection to this?

You know Hermes if your nose were any further in the air you would drown in a rainstorm :sniff:

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Friday, November 14th at 8:39PM EST (link)

You know much less than you think you do

emgbane (Diary) Saturday, November 15th at 1:13AM EST (link)

“To read my comments as some kind of anti-Palin diatribe displays startling lack of reading comprehension skills.”

“Pitch all the fits you like about my criticism of Palin’s inability to articulate conservative political philosophy.”

I am not sure who lacks reading comprehension skills, but I have not at any point accused you of an anti-Palin diatribe or Palin bashing. I am certainly not pitching a fit. I was pointing out that most voters do not care about her ability to articulate conservative political philosophy. I tried to demonstrate that it is not an important skill for national office. It might be important to you, but I think you are a distinct minority. Moreover I do not think you have clue what it takes to win national office, and your comments do not demonstrate much knowledge of American Political history.

I really do not know what interviews you were watching if you came away thinking: “Couric and, to a lesser extent, Gibson, made her look like an uneducated, clueless hick.”

“Whomever our candidate is will face a hostile media. If they display the same startling lack of wit and erudition that Governor Palin did, then we will see yet another GOP disaster.”

Democrats got over 50% of the vote for the first time in 32 years. The GOP has not been winning because of favorable press or articulate nominees. This election was certainly loss because of the economy, the unfavorability of the current president, and the poor campaign strategy of the McCain campaign.

In reading your post I just cannot get over your view that voters should be concerned about a Presidential candidate’s field of study. Why would voters be concerned with what a candidate studied in college 20 or 30 years ago. I think the average voter would be more concerned with a candidate’s experience than with their graduate and undergraduate degrees. One would certainly imagine that when Bush attended Yale there was still a strong core, so he very likely has a broad liberal arts background. I would imagine the same for Palin who has a major in Journalism and minored in Political Science at a time when a strong core was still the norm.

“Regarding whether voters can pick him out of a line-up: could they pick out Sarah Palin a year ago? She was less of a known commodity than Jindal, given that she is from the howling wilderness of backwoods Alaska. So that argument falls flat on its face.”

Do not make me laugh. “howling wilderness of backwoods Alaska.” You make these gross comments and then suggest I call you names because you stuck a nerve. No, I actually just think your comments are asinine and show a complete lack of respect for Governor Sarah Palin, the people of the Great State of Alaska, and Republican voters.

Nevertheless, here’s the problem with your comparison. Palin was a popular governor selected for VP. I had heard of her before she was selected, and I was hoping she would get the nod. You are suggesting a man with 11 months in office, should be the nominee in 2012 based on what. I asked you to name an accomplishment and you came up with ethics reform. So why again do you prefer Jindal to Palin, his ethics reform? Is it superior to Palin’s ethics reform? His education? His ability to explain political theory to your satisfaction. Your arguments are weak and vacuous. One more thing: “Unless conservatives start learning what conservatism is all about, we are going to keep losing the debate to well-educated lefties like Obama.”

What conservative loss to Obama? lol

who has the bias

emgbane (Diary) Saturday, November 15th at 1:37AM EST (link)

“You seem to display the growing and alarming trend amongst conservatives toward anti-intellectual bias.”

You know what is really tiresome, folks suggesting someone is unfit for national office because the are not an intellectual; then when you are told hey we’re just more concerned with experience and principle. You come back with we have an anti-intellectual bias. No we just do not have an intellectual bias.

If the person has experience and has governed with principles of support for limited government, life, and the constitution, I certainly would not reject him/her because he/she was an intellectual.

You do not seem to be able to say the same. So who has the bias.