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	<title>Comments on: I&#8217;m Not A Cherry Picker; A Note On The GW/Battleground Poll</title>
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		<title>By: Herodotus</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/swamp_yankee/2008/10/24/im-not-a-cherry-picker-a-note-on-the-gwbat/#comment-917</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;None of those combinations = 100%&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: eburke</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/swamp_yankee/2008/10/24/im-not-a-cherry-picker-a-note-on-the-gwbat/#comment-916</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;election but his &lt;em&gt;methodology&lt;/em&gt; for assessing the current makeup of the electorate is at least intellectually consistent. He has a separate bank of voters who are asked only what their party affiliation is (I believe it&#039;s in the 25,000 range) and then does a rolling 3 month average.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not saying that he&#039;s necessarily right, but he&#039;s at least attempting to apply some consistent methodology unlike the MSM polls and Gallup&#039;s new model which are basically just pulled out of their...um...backside. So, based on that and his record in past elections, that&#039;s the only poll outside of 4% that gives me pause.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As to the weightings of the other polls mentioned elsewhere in this thread, they&#039;re at least within historical norms where party turnout has varied up to 4% one party over the other unlike the MSM polls which have ridiculous numbers like more Is than Rs and 14 point spreads and using Census data as their criteria. That&#039;s why I view those 4 as more valid.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Look, most of these polls showing double digit leads for Obama are nothing but a joke and yet another way for the MSM to depress the right and buoy &#039;the one&#039;. But I bought into the whole &#039;the polls are totally off&#039; meme in &#039;06 and woke up with a hangover. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So, my personal opinion is that McCain is about 3-5 behind right now, which is absolutely doable. In fact, if we can keep Jack Murtha and Joe Biden spouting off through their pie holes, I can see where McCain loses the popular vote, takes PA, and becomes Prez even if he loses NM &amp; CO. (Thank you Founding Fathers for your wisdom in creating 50 different elections)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But when there isn&#039;t a single poll showing our guy in the lead (just like in &#039;06), I don&#039;t want us to become delusional in our own echo chambers.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We are behind....we can make it up... we must work harder. Send emails to undecided friends, donate to downticket candidates, put up yard signs, turn out, turn out, turn out.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>election but his <em>methodology</em> for assessing the current makeup of the electorate is at least intellectually consistent. He has a separate bank of voters who are asked only what their party affiliation is (I believe it&#8217;s in the 25,000 range) and then does a rolling 3 month average.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that he&#8217;s necessarily right, but he&#8217;s at least attempting to apply some consistent methodology unlike the MSM polls and Gallup&#8217;s new model which are basically just pulled out of their&#8230;um&#8230;backside. So, based on that and his record in past elections, that&#8217;s the only poll outside of 4% that gives me pause.</p>
<p>As to the weightings of the other polls mentioned elsewhere in this thread, they&#8217;re at least within historical norms where party turnout has varied up to 4% one party over the other unlike the MSM polls which have ridiculous numbers like more Is than Rs and 14 point spreads and using Census data as their criteria. That&#8217;s why I view those 4 as more valid.</p>
<p>Look, most of these polls showing double digit leads for Obama are nothing but a joke and yet another way for the MSM to depress the right and buoy &#8216;the one&#8217;. But I bought into the whole &#8216;the polls are totally off&#8217; meme in &#8217;06 and woke up with a hangover. </p>
<p>So, my personal opinion is that McCain is about 3-5 behind right now, which is absolutely doable. In fact, if we can keep Jack Murtha and Joe Biden spouting off through their pie holes, I can see where McCain loses the popular vote, takes PA, and becomes Prez even if he loses NM &amp; CO. (Thank you Founding Fathers for your wisdom in creating 50 different elections)</p>
<p>But when there isn&#8217;t a single poll showing our guy in the lead (just like in &#8217;06), I don&#8217;t want us to become delusional in our own echo chambers.</p>
<p>We are behind&#8230;.we can make it up&#8230; we must work harder. Send emails to undecided friends, donate to downticket candidates, put up yard signs, turn out, turn out, turn out.</p>
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		<title>By: PaRep</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaRep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tarrance.com/files/10.23-Public-tables.pdf&quot;&gt;http://www.tarrance.com/files/10.23-Public-tables.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: PaRep</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/swamp_yankee/2008/10/24/im-not-a-cherry-picker-a-note-on-the-gwbat/#comment-914</link>
		<dc:creator>PaRep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;they were weighting it 41 D 36R 18 I&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They they gradually moved it up to &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;41D 38R &amp; 18I&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And today they went back to&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;41D 37R 18I&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they were weighting it 41 D 36R 18 I</p>
<p>They they gradually moved it up to </p>
<p>41D 38R &amp; 18I</p>
<p>And today they went back to</p>
<p>41D 37R 18I</p>
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		<title>By: Swamp_Yankee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swamp_Yankee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Pollsters, I believe, mistakenly wiegh Democrat party affiliation. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There is a reason we have polling. Its ironic that pollsters who conduct polling think they know how certain demographics are going to turn out. Part is a myth of Obama youths and blacks. But what about Palin and Women? There are a lot more women that balcks even if if she doesnt turn women like Obama turns blacks.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Phony D registrations by ACORN distorted the perception of increased D registrations. Same is true for Operation chaos. There are not as many Ds as pollsters think.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pollsters, I believe, mistakenly wiegh Democrat party affiliation. </p>
<p>There is a reason we have polling. Its ironic that pollsters who conduct polling think they know how certain demographics are going to turn out. Part is a myth of Obama youths and blacks. But what about Palin and Women? There are a lot more women that balcks even if if she doesnt turn women like Obama turns blacks.</p>
<p>Phony D registrations by ACORN distorted the perception of increased D registrations. Same is true for Operation chaos. There are not as many Ds as pollsters think.</p>
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		<title>By: bigfoot</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigfoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Don&#039;t wanna sound like a dead horse about the Rasmussen poll, but he&#039;s weighs dems at nearly 7 points higher than repubs.  If you change the weighing of dems to historical actual turnout, suddenly it&#039;s a dead heat.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Why Rasmussen believes he&#039;s has projected turnout nailed is beyond me.  I don&#039;t buy his poll, and he was not good during the primaries with regard to Obama.  He consistely overstated his support.  He&#039;s doing it again. Big mistake in my book.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t wanna sound like a dead horse about the Rasmussen poll, but he&#8217;s weighs dems at nearly 7 points higher than repubs.  If you change the weighing of dems to historical actual turnout, suddenly it&#8217;s a dead heat.</p>
<p>Why Rasmussen believes he&#8217;s has projected turnout nailed is beyond me.  I don&#8217;t buy his poll, and he was not good during the primaries with regard to Obama.  He consistely overstated his support.  He&#8217;s doing it again. Big mistake in my book.</p>
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		<title>By: Fallon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fallon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I volunteered to be sent to a battleground state for the last week of the election and am being sent to a small town in Wisconsin. This is a &lt;em&gt;new&lt;/em&gt; office being set up. It appears that Wisconsin is still very much in play. &lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I volunteered to be sent to a battleground state for the last week of the election and am being sent to a small town in Wisconsin. This is a <em>new</em> office being set up. It appears that Wisconsin is still very much in play. </p>
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		<title>By: eburke</title>
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		<dc:creator>eburke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;poll that came out last night showing a 13 point BHO lead? Internals? Well, the original respondents came out approx. (I&#039;m going on memory on this portion so I may be off a bit) 38 Dem 34 Pub and 28 I. They then &#039;reweighted&#039; the poll to 41 D, 31 I, and 28 R. A 13 point advantage for Dems when there has NEVER been more than a +4 for either party.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That&#039;s why the RCP avg is such a joke. The only polls that I look at are Ras, IBD, Battleground &amp; Hotline. They are showing an avg. of +4 Obama. The outlier there is Ras at 7 and since they have the most sophisticated method I know of for voter ID that&#039;s the one that troubles me the most. The media driven polls, however, are a joke.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>poll that came out last night showing a 13 point BHO lead? Internals? Well, the original respondents came out approx. (I&#8217;m going on memory on this portion so I may be off a bit) 38 Dem 34 Pub and 28 I. They then &#8216;reweighted&#8217; the poll to 41 D, 31 I, and 28 R. A 13 point advantage for Dems when there has NEVER been more than a +4 for either party.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why the RCP avg is such a joke. The only polls that I look at are Ras, IBD, Battleground &amp; Hotline. They are showing an avg. of +4 Obama. The outlier there is Ras at 7 and since they have the most sophisticated method I know of for voter ID that&#8217;s the one that troubles me the most. The media driven polls, however, are a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: NDPhog</title>
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		<dc:creator>NDPhog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 07:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t get the feeling here in SW Ohio that voter turnout will be repressed.  That&#039;s usually not a problem here, though.  What we need to do is make sure McCain voters in Cleveland, Columbus and Toledo vote, even though they will be out-numbered.  Every vote counts.  We don&#039;t do this by county, so margin of defeat is very important in losing counties (typically urban counties).  That&#039;s true in OH, VA, PA, and everywhere else.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get the feeling here in SW Ohio that voter turnout will be repressed.  That&#8217;s usually not a problem here, though.  What we need to do is make sure McCain voters in Cleveland, Columbus and Toledo vote, even though they will be out-numbered.  Every vote counts.  We don&#8217;t do this by county, so margin of defeat is very important in losing counties (typically urban counties).  That&#8217;s true in OH, VA, PA, and everywhere else.</p>
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