Surprise, surprise. Nancy Pelosi was for enhanced interrogation techniques before she was against them. This damning coverage by Fox News (hat tip to Redstate’s Moe Lane who wrote about this in an excellent column) reports that the CIA claims that Pelosi was briefed in 2002 about waterboarding and other enhanced interrogation techniques, which directly contradicts her previous story where she claims that she was not told about the CIA’s use of enhanced interrogation techniques on suspected Al Qaeda terrorists.
I think that Charles Krauthammer hit it out of the park, in regard to Pelosi’s behavior, in his recent column titled, “Pelosi: Utterly Contemptible”, when he stated the following–
Today Pelosi protests “we were not — I repeat — were not told that waterboarding or any other of these other enhanced interrogation methods were used.” She imagines that this distinction between past and present, Clintonian in its parsing, is exonerating.
On the contrary. It is self-indicting. If you are told about torture that has already occurred, you might justify silence on the grounds that what’s done is done and you are simply being used in a post-facto exercise to cover the CIA’s rear end. The time to protest torture, if you really are as outraged as you now pretend to be, is when the CIA tells you what it is planning to do “in the future.”
But Pelosi did nothing. No protest. No move to cut off funding. No letter to the president or the CIA chief or anyone else saying “Don’t do it.”
On the contrary, notes Porter Goss, then chairman of the House intelligence committee: The members briefed on these techniques did not just refrain from objecting, “on a bipartisan basis, we asked if the CIA needed more support from Congress to carry out its mission against al-Qaeda.”
More support, mind you. Which makes the current spectacle of self-righteous condemnation not just cowardly but hollow. It is one thing to have disagreed at the time and said so. It is utterly contemptible, however, to have been silent then and to rise now “on a bright, sunny, safe day in April 2009″ (the words are Blair’s) to excoriate those who kept us safe these harrowing last eight years.
Now, the funny thing is that I could actually forgive Nancy Pelosi this one factual inaccuracy (OK–outright lie) if this was her first brush with idiotic and untrustworthy behavior–but, unfortunately for the country, it’s not.
Remember during the whole TARP/Bailout bill fiasco when Pelosi gave that God-awful partisan speech–which gave cover to both Republicans and Democrats (who were already skeptical of the bill) to vote against it? (The embed is below). In this ridiculous turkey of a speech, Mrs. Pelosi actually has the unmitigated gall to make a fuss over seven hundred billion dollars (even though Obama’s porkulus/stimulus bill, that Pelosi subsequently helped write, will eventually cost the taxpayers over a trillion dollars). Furthermore, Nancy Pelosi also states, in the first two minutes of the video, that “the golden parachute and the government bailing you out–those days are over”. Well, again, Mrs. Pelosi was being disingenuous to say the least (OK–again, she was lying), because in the recent stimulus/porkulus bill, ACORN was given a 5.2 billion dollar bailout. Yeah, that ACORN who is under investigation by the FBI for voter fraud in thirteen different states. Oh, and who could forget about the recent AIG bonus debacle as covered by Dan Spencer or Obama’s recent bailout of the auto industries that even some Democrats opposed, but I digress. (I guess the days of government bailouts aren’t over yet, are they?)
Now, whether you were for or against the TARP/Bailout bill is neither here nor there. My point is that in another speech (which went viral under the title, “Nancy Pelosi: Dumber than Soap”–the embeded is below), Pelosi claimed that if we didn’t pass President Obama’s stimulus/porkulus bill IMMEDIATELY, that “five hundred million Americans would lose their jobs” (where she got that figure from, I don’t know–I don’t think that anyone knows). Anyway, my point is that Nancy Pelosi thought that it was urgent to pass the Obama stimulus package immediately in order to prevent millions of Americans from losing their jobs, and yet, she was willing to play partisan politics with the TARP bill which, to paraphrase Daniel Henninger of the WSJ, caused “the terrified stock market” to crater “wiping out individual voter wealth” when it fell apart? To quote Charles Krauthammer, that is “utterly contemptible”.
Now, I bet you are asking yourselves right now, “Can Nancy Pelosi’s tom-foolery, hypocrisy, disingenuousness, and out-right idiocy get any worse?” Well, I’m here to answer your question ladies and gentlemen–yes it can. Back in 2006 when Pelosi first became Speaker of the House she requested “regular military flights not only for herself and her staff, but also for relatives and for other members of the California delegation.” Now, it should be noted that the Bush Administration’s Department of Defense offered Pelosi the same plane to fly in that Dennis Hastert used when he was Speaker of the House, but Pelosi declined to use it because “She found it was not big enough for staff, supporters and other members.” However, in August in 2008, when asked why she was against offshore oil drilling, even though gas prices were going through the roof at the time, Pelosi replied by stating that, “I’m trying to save the planet”. OK–let me get this straight. Nancy Pelosi is “trying save the planet” by regularly flying herself and her posse across the country (creating a carbon foot-print the size of a Sasquatch’s), but we poor plebiscites are supposed to suck it up and pay $4.00 a gallon for gas, because she has a problem with offshore drilling. Man, that’s really rich. It kind of reminds me of President Obama telling us to turn down our thermostats while he cranks his up, but I digress.
However, if anyone was really interested in getting a clear view into both Nancy Pelosi’s character and competency, one only needed to look at who she initially tried to appoint to be the House Majority Leader, as well as who she eventually appointed to be be the head of the House Intelligence Committee, back in 2006 when she first became the Speaker of the House. In 2006 when the Democrats first took back the House and the Senate, the very liberal LA Times wrote a scathing op-ed about Nancy Pelosi titled, “Don’t Snub Harman”. Below is an excerpt from the column–
NEWLY MINTED House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is off to a rocky start. On the same day she was formally elected to lead the new Democratic majority, party colleagues refused to endorse her bizarre choice of Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.), who was investigated but not charged in the Abscam scandal more than two decades ago, as her second-in-command.
That embarrassing experience should induce Pelosi (D-San Francisco) — who appeared chastened before reporters Thursday — to reconsider another ill-advised promotion: Her apparent intention to bestow the chairmanship of the House Intelligence Committee not on the panel’s ranking Democrat, Rep. Jane Harman (D-Venice), but on Rep. Alcee L. Hastings (D-Fla.).
Hastings, like Murtha, seems an unlikely choice for a leadership role in what Pelosi has been advertising as “the most honest, the most open and the most ethical Congress in history.” Hastings was impeached as a federal judge and removed from office in the late 1980s (although he was acquitted of bribery in a criminal trial in 1983).
A litany of explanations have been adduced to explain why Pelosi would bypass Harman, an expert on intelligence matters who has won the respect of both parties while criticizing some of the Bush administration’s excesses in the war on terror. None of them is persuasive. Harman has earned this chairmanship.
But, what this op-ed doesn’t mention is WHO exactly Nancy Pelosi wound up picking to head the House Intelligence committee. After Pelosi found herself the butt of much ridicule due to her “bizarre” and ethically challenged choices after hammering Republicans for having a “culture of corruption”, she settled on Sylvester Reyes (D-TX) to head the House Intelligence Committee–a man who did not know the difference between a Sunni and a Shia Muslim. Furthermore, when Reyes was pressed to answer if he knew anything at all about Hezbollah (the Shia Iranian terrorist group), Reyes responded by using the Sammy Sosa Defense (i.e., the “No habla Ingles”/”I speak no English” defense). I’m not kidding. This is the man that Nancy Pelosi put in charge of the House Intelligence Committee–think about that for a second. It clearly demonstrates just how seriously she takes our national security.
Now, I realize that Harman is embroiled in a semi-scandal of her own having to do with the Israeli Public Affairs Committee (although, the LA Times has an interesting column saying that the Harman scandal is really just some members of the Obama Administration’s Justice Department engaging in CYA–you can be the judge); however, I would be willing to bet dollars to donuts that Jane Harman knows the difference between a Sunni and a Shia, and that she wouldn’t use the “Sammy Sosa Defense” if she didn’t know the answer to a question.
But, what I find the most troubling is something that I read from a liberal blog called The Reaction. In their column, they basically admit that (and I’m paraphrasing) “Harman was backed by the Blue Dog Coalition”….”she is respected by her colleagues on both sides of the isle”….”Pelosi didn’t consider Harman partisan enough and thought that she has not been a tough enough critic of the Bush Administration”…..they quote and cite Robert Novak as saying that “Pelosi’s judgment might be distorted by personal considerations”…..and finally that “Pelosi needs to look beyond herself to the good of the country”. If this is true, then to me it is “utterly contemptible” that Nancy Pelosi would jeopardize our national security–by appointing a man to head the House Intelligence Committee who doesn’t know the difference between a Sunni and a Shia–simply because she’s involved in some kind of p*ssing contest with Jane Harman. Not to mention, it’s also pathetic, immature, catty and embarrassing, but I digress.
So, in conclusion, I feel that it’s time to bring the Nancy Pelosi circus to an end. Yes, she had an amusing run there for a time, all the while providing great fodder for pundits and bloggers everywhere, but enough is enough. The national security of the country is at stake and this woman is at best a half-wit and a hypocrite, and at worst, she’s a slightly unbalanced liar. By the way, this is not an easy diary for me to write. I never agreed with Nancy Pelosi’s politics, but I was proud when the first woman was made Speaker of the House and I didn’t want her to turn out to be a laughing stock. (I’m sorry, but that’s how I felt–write it down, take a picture, sue me, whatever. Oh, and for any of you lefty lurkers out there who don’t believe that Pelosi’s a laughing stock, check out the SNL video that I embedded below mocking her–and SNL is a predominantly liberal organization). However, my country comes first and I can no longer trust this woman–who has by all means proven herself to be “utterly contemptible”–with our national security for another second. It is time for the circus to hit the road. Nancy Pelosi needs to go–now!
Update: Today, Ed Morrissey of Hot Air has written an excellent column (citing The Washington Post) which provides further evidence that Nancy Pelosi lied about her knowledge of waterboarding and other enhanced interrogation techniques that were being used on high level Al Qaeda terrorists.
This diary is cross-posted on The Minority Report.
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Excellent diary Susannah....
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 7:43AM EST (link)I have to say I was surprised at your wanting her to succeed because she was a woman as a woman myself I have to say I wanted her to FAIL AND FAIL BIG from the moment she became speaker…I despise that TROLL of a “woman”!
I am shocked I tell ya that she is being outed by the CIA AND that her colleagues are “allowing” it to happen…If I were her I would be looking around and trying to figure out who is the big fish that is trying to take her out
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Susannah (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 11:19AM EST (link)I didn’t want her to SUCCEED (because as I stated above, my politics are quite different from Pelosi’s); however, I just didn’t want the first female Speaker of the House to be a laughing stock either–and that’s clearly what she’s become, which is why she must step down for the good of the country.
Sorry about the confusion–I guess that I should have made that point clearer in my diary. Thanks for the recommend!
Recommended
Thrhheggeegwc Jjtkylkfofud (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 8:16AM EST (link)Great diary! As Jaded said, “I wanted her to FAIL AND FAIL BIG from the moment she became speaker.”
And she hasn’t let me down yet!
Thanks Georgie....
Susannah (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 1:28PM EST (link)I appreciate it.
Agreed.
itrytobenice (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 9:47AM EST (link)She needs to step down because she is dishonest and corrupt (you didn’t mention the sweetheart tax breaks and law loopholes she works out for hubby, but I understand you didn’t want to write a thesis! :>) )
And we desperately need her to step down because if there’s anyone to the left of BO, she’s the one.
Proper grammar saves lives.
Let’s eat Grandma.
Let’s eat, Grandma.
Can anyone name a democrat that should NOT step down and
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 11:42AM EST (link)provide evidence beyond a reasonable doubt?
no
Because if they didn’t yell the bushlied lie for 6 years they consented by their silence just as they are silent now on Nancy’s vile lie.
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::hmmmm:: Good point, counselor
itrytobenice (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 1:28PM EST (link)So ordered.
Proper grammar saves lives.
Let’s eat Grandma.
Let’s eat, Grandma.
Prove a negative?
LibRick (Diary) Sunday, May 10th at 8:19AM EST (link)Against a trial lawyer? Yeah right!
55555
Susannah (Diary) Monday, May 11th at 11:10AM EST (link)Good one Lib Rick!
Su I can't thank you enough.
redneck_hippie (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 12:03PM EST (link)Way to get to the heart of the matter. I’m going to think of you as the anti-cannibalist, and as GC talks of above, there is a plenitude of dispicable Ds that need a takedown. Fire away!
You're welcome.....
Susannah (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 1:29PM EST (link)And thanks for the recco and the kind words.
::applause::
Amy Miller (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 12:20PM EST (link)She’s such a hack.
Though, I have to say, it is SO fun to watch her thrash around in her vain attempt to salvage her reputation
)
“I’m a conservative, I’m a textualist, I’m an originalist, but I’m not a nut.”
~Scalia, J.
Amy, your second sentence there
TNJim (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 12:35PM EST (link)was almost exactly what I was going to say. Dittos to you!
And great article Susannah. Compliments what Moe has written so far on this subject quite nicely.
Thanks Amy and TNJim.....
Susannah (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 1:30PM EST (link)You guys rock!!
When she has served her purpose she will be thrown under the bus
djemi (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 12:50PM EST (link)First up, I read the post twice, highly recommended.
BUT, who the hell do you think Rambo and thus BO would back for Speaker of the House?
“If I can’t shoot rabbits,then I can’t shoot fascist”
“With age, comes Wisdom, but only if you are paying Attention, son” my ‘Old Man’
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Thanks djemi :-) .....
Susannah (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 12:57PM EST (link)…..And I have no idea who BO will support–possibly Steny Hoyer, because he is respected by both sides and has managed to keep his nose clean and not do or say anything too outrageous. However, I could be wrong.
Don't think he left enough for BO
djemi (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 1:09PM EST (link)but then I could be wrong, but I can’t help thinking that BO still has some pay back to deliver, and we all know that if his approval rates stay high enough he will get what he wants. As I see it BO still has a ton of favours to pay back and that pound of flesh is going to cost we the poeple alot of hard earned money.
“If I can’t shoot rabbits,then I can’t shoot fascist”
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Great diary, Susannah!
azaeroprof (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 2:05PM EST (link)I wonder…are Obama/Axelrod/Emanuel trying to force her out through release of these memos?…or does The One enjoy having her out there as cover on his left flank to allow him to ‘appear’ less lefty?…Hmmmm…
Thanks azaeroprof.....
Susannah (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 2:07PM EST (link)….And you make some very interesting points.
If Rahm had stayed in House, I would have thought the
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 6:07PM EST (link)same thing!
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
Pelosi's a product of the Burton machine
civil truth (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 2:07PM EST (link)She inherited her seat from Sala Burton after her death in office. Sala, in turn, filled the seat after her husband Phil Burton died in office. Phil and his brother John were chief architects of the San Fransciso Democratic machine, which affectionately was nicknamed after them.
When Nancy first came into Congress, the lefty papers attacked for being a centrist sell-out and not being radical enough. I haven’t seen such attacks against she ascended to the Speaker position (but then again I haven’t been reading the lefty rags since I left the Dark Side so I’m not really up to date).
Clearly though she’ s managed to clean up her bona fides with the SF/Marin lefties, because Cindy Sheehan’s challenge from the left was so brutally crushed. But she appears to have become unhinged in the process of moving left, because she was a coherent politician earlier on (having been well-trained by her mentors and groomed for political office).
Maybe she’s always been one to hold personal grudges and now has found a venue to act those out (I can’t answer that one) – in which case she’s setting herself up for a serious crash, because the cardinal rule of succesful politics in a republic is to not confuse the personal with the political…
unless you’re scheming to become a dictator (which does appear to be her leadership style at present) – in which case she may her found her soulmate in our new President.
Well-written, Susannah. Recommended
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Thanks Civil Truth....
Susannah (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 2:09PM EST (link)….And Excellent comment!! You provided some very valuable insights here.
Hey guys, My diary is the "most controversial" story on Reddit!!
Susannah (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 6:47PM EST (link)Guys, George Claghorn was kind enough to alert me to the fact that my diary is currently the number one most controversial story on Reddit today. The link is below.
http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/controversial/
This is all really surreal for me, because I never thought of myself as “controversial” before. Anyway, I thought that some of you might find this interesting–I know that I did.
Congrats. :) [NT]
Moe Lane (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 6:56PM EST (link)NT
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Check out my blog at http://moelane.com/.
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My (combined) wish list.
Thanks Moe....
Susannah (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 6:58PM EST (link)I’ve always aspired to be “controversial”.
Judging by the comments it's a heavily left-wing site
Neil Stevens (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 6:59PM EST (link)So controverisal means you’re just right, heh.
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Ditto..the Truth melts liberals like water on a wicked witch
speciallist (Diary) Sunday, May 10th at 10:45AM EST (link)nice going Sue!
Thanks $peciallist and nice picture!!
Susannah (Diary) Wednesday, May 13th at 10:51PM EST (link)You know that I love your pictures–I always tell you that.
That's my sigline...sorry
speciallist (Diary) Wednesday, May 13th at 11:10PM EST (link)your blogs are hard to drop pictures on…Usually I’ll wait a while to keep things serious, but then they turn into Epic and controversial threads…and my pic would get lost in the shuffle…..
I always like a challenge…so I’ll keep trying…lol
Well, it's a damn good sigline....
Susannah (Diary) Wednesday, May 13th at 11:21PM EST (link)Fooled me–I thought it was a picture.
BTW, your pics are genius, so they could never get “lost in the shuffle”.
Hey $peciallist, now would be a great time for a picture....
Susannah (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 6:01AM EST (link)Since everything has now pretty much died down here, one of your pictures would liven things up and would be just what the doctor ordered. Pretty please, just for me (bats eyes)?
hmmm, reddit must be more lib than I thought.
TNJim (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 7:05PM EST (link)Or it’s users are. Either way I don’t know whether to congratulate you or say sorry! Wonder how they vote to determine what’s controversial anyway? About half the comments dis Fox News and us, but I did see where Jaded chimed in!
“I will guess she will be shocked (not that you can tell) when she finally figures out that someone is out to get her….those were not just released for good governance!”
reddit, digg, tweeting, I am so confused!
Doc Holliday (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 7:07PM EST (link)I landed here at Red State and bloging is enough for me, I don’t even text. Anyway, congrats Susannah you firebrand you!
Molon Labe!
Thanks Doc....
Susannah (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 7:14PM EST (link)I guess it’s cool to be a “firebrand”.
Oh, and I don’t text either unless I absolutely have to–I find it annoying. If I want to talk to someone, I’ll either pick up the phone and call or send an email.
reddit
gonzo55 (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 7:19PM EST (link)It’s more young than liberal… lots of angry, half-baked, tinfoil hat stuff about how evil GWB was, very little substantive thought (ok, maybe it is liberal after all!). I enjoy the programming links their front page generates, but venturing into the comments is peering into humanity’s dark side. I’m surprised this diary made it to the top without featuring Rick Astley or pictures of cats.
“Facts are stubborn things” — Ronald Wilson Reagan
And now your at the top of RedState's recommended list
TNJim (Diary) Sunday, May 10th at 12:53PM EST (link)A much higher honor, IMO. Congratulations!
Oops, should have been you're nt
TNJim (Diary) Sunday, May 10th at 12:54PM EST (link)Thanks TNJim.....
Susannah (Diary) Sunday, May 10th at 1:16PM EST (link)I appreciate the congratulations and the recommendation that you gave me to help me get there.
Excellent job
jeepnpat1 (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 10:19PM EST (link)Your writing was excellent with details. Usually these other sites cannot come up with their own stuff so they have to resort to just pulling in other people’s writing. I believe there is some major shifting going on in the leadership of the democratic party in WDC. It is also interesting that Harry Reid has been quiet lately. Perhaps he sees what is going on with Ms Pelosi and feels that he is next on the perverbial chopping block.
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
Thank you very much....
Susannah (Diary) Saturday, May 9th at 10:30PM EST (link)And I agree with you that there does seem to be some shifting in the leadership of the Democratic party. You make an interesting point.
Self Destruction
avgamerican (Diary) Sunday, May 10th at 12:38AM EST (link)We can always hope that the liberal establishment will destroy themselves. If only it would be possible without hurting the country and innocent Americans.
Rooting for injuries on the other team is a time-honored spectator sport
civil truth (Diary) Sunday, May 10th at 12:43AM EST (link)…but your side still needs to field a team if you hope to win.
And right now we’re having a fight over who will end up on the team roster and how many players we’re actually going to put on the field.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
http://www.gmsplace.com/
I don't know what side you are on but...
avgamerican (Diary) Sunday, May 10th at 12:59AM EST (link)makes no difference to me. BHO is a disaster propped up by wealthy elitists and he is destroying your country along with all the other dem libs in Washington. And because USA is also my country I am very zealous and will speak out every chance I get. Every move BHO has made thus far fits right in line with the warnings given to the American sheep before they elected him. What hasn’t occurred yet are the coming consequences. This isn’t about teams and players, this is about juvenile delinquent mentality people in charge of our country. It’s no joke.
That's a much sounder approach
civil truth (Diary) Sunday, May 10th at 1:09AM EST (link)My posting history should indicate what side I’m on.
“Your” was a generic “your” referring to the spectator, not to you personally.
The point I was trying to make with my analogy is that our primary strategy cannot be to hope that the Democrats self-destruct. We need to be in the game – to speak up against their policies and advocate our own refutations and alternatives.
And recruit and run conservatives for elected offices – and prevent the party from being hijacked by so-called “moderates” who want to take out our players (e.g. Toomey) and put in their own guys.
Which is why we have sites like RedState.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
http://www.gmsplace.com/
You're even newer here than I am
TNJim (Diary) Sunday, May 10th at 1:15AM EST (link)so let me assure you civil_truth is a solid conservative. When he refers to fielding a team he means putting together a solid group of conservative candidates that won’t back down on the playing field (Congress). He means taking it to the libs and defeating them at the ballot box.
Sorry for speaking for you, c_t, but just wanted to set avgamerican straight. Correct me if I misrepresented you.
Thank you for your affirmation, TNJim
civil truth (Diary) Sunday, May 10th at 1:27AM EST (link)I think you did a good job of filling in the gaps in my explanation just above.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
http://www.gmsplace.com/
You're most welcome, my friend nt
TNJim (Diary) Sunday, May 10th at 1:33AM EST (link)After "defeating them at the ballot box"
TNJim (Diary) Sunday, May 10th at 1:39AM EST (link)I should have added ..and then defeating the Democrats’ plays (legislation).
Civil Truth
avgamerican (Diary) Sunday, May 10th at 1:02AM EST (link)By the way BHO and libs are on the verge of passing legislation protecting sexual perversion as a protected class of people. Sounds like Sodom and Gommorah.
I oppose any hate crimes legislation on several grounds
civil truth (Diary) Sunday, May 10th at 1:22AM EST (link)We’ve had multiple posts here at RedState on this topic with good arguments against the concept of “hate crime” as a separate criminal offense. And it’s even worse to pass this at the federal level. Current laws suffice.
It’s worse now that they’ve added “sexual orientation, gender, gender identity” to the list – but it was still a bad idea before.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
http://www.gmsplace.com/
civil truth reply
avgamerican (Diary) Sunday, May 10th at 1:32AM EST (link)Thankyou for your clarification. I share your views civil truth. Here is something else to consider. This election could have marked a new beginning in a fundamental shift in voting power in this country. I ran into alot more seemingly civil minded Americans who I would never have thought would have voted for BO. But I came to find out they did. That concerned me. My concern was corroborated by a political pollster who said demographic changes are favoring dems.
RedState has some excellent thinkers
civil truth (Diary) Sunday, May 10th at 1:54AM EST (link)…as well as some career people (like Vladimir, blackhedd, and Achance) who understand the inside nitty fritty. If you hang around and follow the diaries and discussion, you’ll find that many of your concerns are discussed; I recall several discussion on the voter realignment concern you raised here.
(Incidentally – are any our your Obama-voter friends exhibiting buyer’s remorse or at least the beginnings of such?)
On a more personal note, I think there’s another benefit to being around – it’s really easy to get very anxious about the direction our country is headed and the various actions going on in Washington and elsewhere.
And if your remember the story of Elijah at Horeb, when you’re alone or think you’re alone in your thoughts and loyalties, it’s easy to get totally stressed out. But when you know that there are others with similar concerns about our country and who are also trying to do what they can to change our trajectory, then it should be a relief to know that others are working on the problem and are on the same side – which may help you not get overwhelmed by thinking you’re the only one who sees the dangers ahead.
And I’ve experienced much stress out and a number of sleep-shortened nights rooted in anxieties about what’s going on. Knowing you’re not along can be a tremendous help in keeping perspective. Cheers.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
http://www.gmsplace.com/
C_T, you've said that exactly right.
penguin2 (Diary) Sunday, May 10th at 8:10PM EST (link)In fact, I have found wisdom, insight and a great deal of solace in reading the diaries at Redstate. Supporting each other in our beliefs helps us to realize we are not alone, as well as to learn how to fight back.
I hope you don’t mind a “piggy-back” comment for Susannah; she has written another ‘Great Diary’.
Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. – Benjamin Franklin
When Good stands up to Evil, Evil blinks. – Vassar Bushmills
Conservative Education: Suggested Reading List
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Thanks Penuin2....
Susannah (Diary) Sunday, May 10th at 8:15PM EST (link)I appreciate the support and the kind words.
Logic
avgamerican (Diary) Sunday, May 10th at 1:44AM EST (link)Afterall, most crimes are committed out of love and adoration.
Excellent Post, Suzannah
McKinley (Diary) Sunday, May 10th at 1:45AM EST (link)Compelling and concisely put. First rate research. Overall, one of the most effective political pieces I’ve seen on this site in sometime. Great post.
Susannah*
McKinley (Diary) Sunday, May 10th at 1:46AM EST (link)n/t
Thanks McKinley.....
Susannah (Diary) Sunday, May 10th at 1:47AM EST (link)I really appreciate the kind words.
They said it would never happen
avgamerican (Diary) Sunday, May 10th at 1:49AM EST (link)“Repeat the lie often enough, and soon the people will begin to believe it.
Joseph Goebbels (Hitlers Chief of Propoganda)
avgamerican welcome to RedState...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Sunday, May 10th at 2:22AM EST (link)Little tip…we like to keep our conversations threaded here…makes it easier for posters to know when someone has replied to them…you can do this by clicking the “Reply to This” button beneath the comment you are replying to as I have done here.
If you don’t do this you may cause confusion in conversations and make reading the thread more difficult for other users.
Anyhow welcome aboard.
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat
Follow @Aaron_RS
Plus it keeps your thoughts coherent
TNJim (Diary) Sunday, May 10th at 2:55AM EST (link)But sometimes at the bottom of a long thread it is possible to click the wrong post comment button. I’ve done that before. If you see “click here to cancel reply” above your comment title box, you should be fine.
And to echo Aaron, welcome!
"Don't you think she looks tired?
farstar99 (Diary) Sunday, May 10th at 2:36PM EST (link)How old is she anyway?
Could this be the onset of dementia, or is she just stupid?
Heh.
Right_Again (Diary) Sunday, May 10th at 10:54PM EST (link)I wouldn’t give her the benefit of the doubt. I think she is just stupid.
Weakness
avgamerican (Diary) Sunday, May 10th at 5:44PM EST (link)Picture this. Iran making threats against Israel. Kim Jong Illness threatening to launch missles. Here comes Pelosi to negotiate with Amedinejhad and Illness. What do they do?
A) continue making threats
B) agree to stop making threats
C) become more emboldened launch an attack
If you guessed C, you are a true redstate conservative
Torture?
cameron3332 (Diary) Wednesday, May 13th at 1:44PM EST (link)The fact that she even refers to it as torture is torture to my ears. Holy Crap!!! We don’t want to dunk TERRORIST’S heads in water. People pay to have that done to them at Six Flags! These people killed 3,000 Americans. Liberals need to get a life or the terrorists will take their lives.
‘The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.’ - Ronald Reagan
Hyper-Conservative Libertarian at 14!
Dude, you make me feel like such a loser.....
Susannah (Diary) Wednesday, May 13th at 2:15PM EST (link)I just checked out your profile. You’re fourteen and you are reading political blogs–that’s freaking amazing. When I was fourteen I don’t remember exactly what I was doing (maybe obsessing over boys?), but I can tell you that I certainly wasn’t reading political blogs. I’m in my thirties and I’m just now about to finish medical school. Dude, you’ve really got it together–I’m impressed.
Oh, and by the way, welcome to Redstate.
I agree! Welcome to RS Cameron! nt
mom2oneson (Diary) Wednesday, May 13th at 2:17PM EST (link)Thx
cameron3332 (Diary) Wednesday, May 13th at 10:47PM EST (link)Thx Susannah! Hope you check out my diary too! I wrote a blog about obama being a socialist. Its called Obama is a socialist again. It’s the second one down i think. Check it out if u can and get your friends to too! Thx again!
‘The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.’ - Ronald Reagan
Hyper-Conservative Libertarian at 14!
Sure, I'll check it out...
Susannah (Diary) Wednesday, May 13th at 10:54PM EST (link)I have some more reading to do, but I promise to check it out either tonight or first thing tomorrow morning with my coffee–pinky swear.
Cameron, I just checked out your diary and I'm impressed....
Susannah (Diary) Wednesday, May 13th at 11:54PM EST (link)It was an awesome first diary. I’ll put the link here so that people can read it.
http://www.redstate.com/cameron3332/2009/05/13/obama-is-a-socialist-again/#comment-17
Step down? The only stepping
LibRick (Diary) Wednesday, May 13th at 7:22PM EST (link)Pelosi will be doing is on congressional carcasses, D or R that get in her way.
She’s safe in her district. She has the Pacific Heights money people, the South of Market SOMA left, the Mission Hispanic community, and the Avenues working class all in her pocket. That’s pretty much all of San Francisco.
She’s Speaker of the House so she can control or quash anything that gets too hairy and she doesn’t have any serious D challengers for her spot right now.
Your piece was great. I learned quite a bit. You really source and link well! But even the most clarion of calls may be screaming into the wind on this one.
But keep writing like this, you just may be the start of the snowball. Again, informative and well written piece.
Thanks so much LibRick....
Susannah (Diary) Wednesday, May 13th at 7:37PM EST (link)I really appreciate it.
And, you might be right about Pelosi being too powerful to get rid of, but I will still hope against hope that I can help “start a snowball” (although, I doubt it), because having her in power is bad for all Americans–both D and R.
By the way, I didn’t get a chance to tell you, but your diary on the rec list rocked. Great job!!
You seem to be familiar with the SF neighborhoods
civil truth (Diary) Wednesday, May 13th at 8:08PM EST (link)Are you local? I thought her district also went into Marin County, which of course is still her demographic. Or am I thinking about the previous district boundaries in the 90s.
For from what I can tell, she’s female and an heir of the Burton machine, which makes her pretty invulnerable. And now that she has moved leftward on certain
redblue-meat issues to appease her previous critics on the left, I suspect she’s preempted any possible serious challenge from there while still holding on her previous base (Cindy got about 20% if I recall.)Key test in terms of the left: is the Bay Guardian still griping about her being a sell-out to the moneyed interest, or are they cheerleading for her? (Haven’t read it in a couple of years at least, so I have kept up with the latest contortions in SF lefty thought.
But she does seem to have come from the same school of “roll over your enemies” that seems to characterize the Chicago machine and the other big city Democratic machines that are still organized. But her having kicked off the rungs below her, she’d better hope she doesn’t lose her grip.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
http://www.gmsplace.com/
I live in San Jose area and used to live in SF.
LibRick (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 12:56PM EST (link)Pelosi represents district 8 which is most of San Francisco except the south west Sunset district. Marin is Lynn Woolsey’s district.
You make a good observation about her. She is a “finger in the wind” pure politician. She’s definitely liberal but only goes far left when there’s grumbling from that side, which is going on right now. I don’t think she’s a Chicagoesque machine politician. SF is really factional. She is more a pandering cat herder.
From my experience, the only people that pay attention to the political articles in the Bay Guardian are SOMA, Castro, and maybe Noe Valley area. The rest use it as a guide to concerts and entertainment.
I've been in the East Bay for 20+ years
civil truth (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 1:35PM EST (link).. but lived in SF for the first seven years I was in California. I long gave up following SF politics – you’re right about the herding cats, and it seems to be the same herd of cats as it’s always has been, except that there are fewer poor people around – the poor have been forced by prices to go elsewhere. And probably more singles and DINKs, and empty nesters who bought their houses in the Avenues years ago when prices were more affordable and whose kids are all grown.
Thinking more about the districts, I’m recalling that the 1990 or 2000 reapportionment consolidated Nancy’s district in SF, but I distinctly remember when I was in SF, that district spilled over into Marin, and Stark’s district had more of SF than it does now. But my memory could be faulty – and at this point in time, it’s just historical trivia anyways.
The Chicago reference was probably not the best reference, but the Burton machine used the same playbook other big city Democratic machines. What kept the Burton machine together was their ability to keep the big unions and Downtown business interests on the same side divying up jobs, patronage, and city contracts/largesse in return for political support – at least that was my understanding, though I was late on the scene.
Nancy inherited that, and although the trade unions have shrunk in power, Nancy apparently has been able to maintain a solid base of support by satifying the Dowtown business interests and tacking left on the other issues. At least that what it looks from the outside, anyway.
Or maybe Nancy has always been a far leftist and is starting to reveal her colors now that she’s confident that she’s big enough with her Speakership to fend off the more centrist elements in SF. Especially if Obama is solidly behind here – and it does look on camera that she and Obama have some definite chemistry between them.
We’ll probably get more clarity over the next couple of years, assuming her heavy-handed tactics don’t spark a revolt by the backbenchers/Blue Dogs to push here out of the Speakership – in which case, all bets are off.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
http://www.gmsplace.com/
Hey CT
LibRick (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 2:00PM EST (link)Our dialog makes more sense now. We’re neighbors.
I think Pelosi goes far leftist for political convenience. After all, she owns a Sonoma winery and is one of the wealthier people in Congress. She is in with Northern California business. You are the only one here to note that the greater bay area has a lot of centrists. Pelosi, like Feinstein always bends to the NorCal breeze.
I knew Feinstein had wealth
civil truth (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 3:20PM EST (link)…I didn’t remember that Pelosi had a buiness and lots of wealth too. Having seen Feinstein’s behavior over the years, your interpretation that she and Nancy are at similar locales on the political spectrum make sense. After all they both would have a lot to lose “come the Revolution”.
However, with the shift in the Dems center of gravity substantially left war (at least economically – hard to know on foreign policy what’s behind the rhetoric, especially with Hillary at State and no one really knows how much she gets to call the shots) what Nancy and Diane may not understand is how powerful are the wind they are letting loose, and that the resultant storm likely will escape their attempts to tamp it down and rage far beyond their intentions.
Actually, I think Diane is more aware, but I think that Nancy has been charmed by Obama and also may overestimate her own power. Diane certainly comes across as more deliberate and more soothing, versus Nancy’s hyperactivity and shrillness.
In any case, Nancy will be weakened by this affair in terms of being in greater debt to her colleague who pull her irons out of the fire (in the likely event that she keeps her speaker office). Don’t know how that will play out with all the other variables around.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
http://www.gmsplace.com/
Actually CT, I was listening to Medved on the way home...
Susannah (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 5:07PM EST (link)Now, I only heard a snippet of his show, but he said something to the effect that Nancy Pelosi has now said that the CIA agents were lying about her in that memo. Basically, Medved was saying that Pelosi has managed to open up a Pandora’s Box on this whole CIA/torture issue (and turn it into a “he said she said”) that President Obama might not want opened. Anyway, initially, I thought that Pelosi would probably keep her Speakership (even though I thought that she should step down), but now, I’m not so sure–especially since Steny Hoyer has implied that there should be hearings about what Pelosi actually knew. I wouldn’t be surprised if she winds up being taken down by the Democrats, themselves, just to avoid all of the inevitable drama that could ensue if she stays on. Not to mention, from now on, she’ll be permanently weakened as a Speaker–the Democrats might want someone else who can start fresh without all of the baggage that Pelosi has. Just my thoughts.
Susannah, I guess the "snowball" is growing
LibRick (Diary) Friday, May 15th at 1:27PM EST (link)Who really knows where this will lead? Politics is always interesting. It’s clear that Pelosi is on her heals. That last press conference was like watching a garden snail stuck on a pile of salt.
Weakened? She was already a weak SOTH. Here’s a speculative “careful what you wish for” scenario: If she is more weakened, she might dive further under Obama’s umbrella for protection. No dems are going to challenge Obama right now. The quid pro quo will be that she will be an absolute Executive Branch puppet. Obama will own the House. Interesting how the administration is letting Pelosi twist in the wind a bit. They must see an advantage in this.
But it’s all just speculation. If nothing else, politicians have consistently been opportunists. Good opportunity here for Obama’s camp.
Yes, you're right--the snowball is definitely growing....
Susannah (Diary) Friday, May 15th at 3:12PM EST (link)And, I agree with you that Pelosi’s last press conference was painful to watch–I almost felt sorry for her.
Now, I can’t really figure out why the Obama administration is letting her twist in the wind so. You’re scenario could be right, or maybe Obama has decided that she’s just too big a liability (and that her damaged credibility will hinder him in trying to get his agenda through congress in the future), and he’s decided throw her under the bus and cut his losses–it’s happened before (not just with Obama, but with other past presidents as well). We shall just have to wait and see.
Oh, and speaking of the snowball growing, have you seen this Jon Stewart video?
Susannah (Diary) Friday, May 15th at 4:11PM EST (link)Kowaslsi here. LibRick, speaking of the “snowball growing”, Jon Stewart is even making fun of Pelosi now (it’s no secret that he’s a liberal). If Stewart is savaging her, then she is officially a laughing stock, even in Democratic circles–and Obama might decide that she’s a laughing stock that he could do without. As I previously stated, we shall have to wait and see.
Full Episodes
Anyway, I can’t wait to see what SNL does with the Pelosi saga tomorrow night!
Nancy Pelosi caught in another Lie...
speciallist (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 12:06PM EST (link)'Nancy's being Nancy'...vin scully
speciallist (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 1:02PM EST (link)the youtubes should be out this afternoon….
Awesome picture $peciallist!!
Susannah (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 4:01PM EST (link)55555–to infinity!! That’s definitely one of your best (“Kittyshark” was also awesome). Thanks so much–you know that I love your pictures.
That's **perfect**!!!
itrytobenice (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 11:13PM EST (link)Good job Specialist.
Proper grammar saves lives.
Let’s eat Grandma.
Let’s eat, Grandma.
Great job! --nt--
6eorge Jetson (Diary) Friday, May 15th at 2:04PM EST (link)Way to go Susannah!
cameron3332 (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 10:02PM EST (link)I have finally had the time to read your diary entries! Your a great writer and it’s just fun to read some of them! Love it when you talk about your life and politics combined, e.g. the Sean Penn ticket controversy. One of your biggest fans!
‘The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.’ - Ronald Reagan
Hyper-Conservative Libertarian at 14!
Oh thanks Sweetie.....
Susannah (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 10:19PM EST (link)I’m just elated that you came to Redstate. You are just sooo awesome and you are a great writer–I can’t wait to see you evolve as you post here more and more (you have very good “voice”).
Oh, and thanks for reminding me of my “I Will Not Buy Any More Tickets to Sean Penn’s Movies” diary–I had so much fun writing that one.
Hey everybody, Digg this!!!
itrytobenice (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 11:05PM EST (link)Right now, it’s got 96 diggs and it would be nice to have a RedState diary break 100.
Besides, we need to break into this lefty site and get some conservative material on their front page. People pay attention to diggs and we’re not going to reach the democrats if we don’t get our message into their camp. If you’re not registered, it’s easy. Just do it.
(Yes we can, yes we can…aaaaauuuuuggggh. That nearly choked me!!)
They’re not coming to RedState (other than those nasty trolls) so let’s take RS to them!!
Proper grammar saves lives.
Let’s eat Grandma.
Let’s eat, Grandma.
Thanks Itrytobenice.....
Susannah (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 11:11PM EST (link)You’re awesome!!
Here’s the Digg link everybody.
http://digg.com/d1ql1S
Thanks for Digging!
I'm *such* a failure.
itrytobenice (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 11:15PM EST (link)I really truly meant to leave a link. I even copied it. I just forgot the pasting part. Sigh.
If I ever get it all together, I’ll probably lose the whole mess of it at once so it’s probably better this way. But it sure is unhandy.
Proper grammar saves lives.
Let’s eat Grandma.
Let’s eat, Grandma.
Oh, don't be ridiculous....
Susannah (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 11:20PM EST (link)You’re not a failure–you’re awesome, and I really appreciate your help. Thanks so much.