Comments on: And The Winner Is–Maureen Dowd! http://www.redstate.com/susannah/2008/11/10/and-the-winner-is-maureen-dowd/ Fri, 19 Nov 2010 00:28:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: seattle_ite http://www.redstate.com/susannah/2008/11/10/and-the-winner-is-maureen-dowd/#comment-42 seattle_ite Fri, 14 Nov 2008 04:18:36 +0000 #comment-42 <p>Agreed, that Ms. Dowd mis-spoke. What I 'prefer', as a member of the underclass, is a nice juicy ribeye (medium well, with steak butter). What I can AFFORD is mac and cheese. Big difference, and a huge clue about Ms. Dowd's snobbery.</p> <p>I'll definitely check out those movies. Probably part of the reason I never took to Austen was the slightly dry (in my opinion) prose of the era. I might miss some of the nuance, but will get the gist.</p> Agreed, that Ms. Dowd mis-spoke. What I ‘prefer’, as a member of the underclass, is a nice juicy ribeye (medium well, with steak butter). What I can AFFORD is mac and cheese. Big difference, and a huge clue about Ms. Dowd’s snobbery.

I’ll definitely check out those movies. Probably part of the reason I never took to Austen was the slightly dry (in my opinion) prose of the era. I might miss some of the nuance, but will get the gist.

]]> By: Susannah http://www.redstate.com/susannah/2008/11/10/and-the-winner-is-maureen-dowd/#comment-41 Susannah Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:53:47 +0000 #comment-41 <p>I actually like mac and cheese. What I don't like is the sneering way Maureen Dowd refers to hard working Americans as "preferring mac and cheese". </p> <p>By the way, if you're now curious about Jane Austen, but don't have the time to read her books, may I suggest renting the movies based on her books--"Pride and Prejudice", "Sense and Sensibility", and "Emma" are all excellent. :-)</p> I actually like mac and cheese. What I don’t like is the sneering way Maureen Dowd refers to hard working Americans as “preferring mac and cheese”.

By the way, if you’re now curious about Jane Austen, but don’t have the time to read her books, may I suggest renting the movies based on her books–”Pride and Prejudice”, “Sense and Sensibility”, and “Emma” are all excellent. :-)

]]> By: Susannah http://www.redstate.com/susannah/2008/11/10/and-the-winner-is-maureen-dowd/#comment-40 Susannah Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:36:18 +0000 #comment-40 <p>You state that "irony is lost on right wingers"; however, I really don't think that you have any idea of what constitutes irony. Falsely accusing people of racism is not irony--it's just obnoxious and irresponsible. Demeaning hard-working Americans as "mac and cheese" eaters is not irony--it's elitism and arrogance. Talking about how you notice that black and white people are, now, talking to each other because Obama won is not irony--it's just pathetic on Dowd's part, and it's flat out wrong. Oh, and making a false comparison between Mr. Darcy's character and Barack Obama (they are nothing alike) is not irony--it's ignorance. Irony is you coming over here thinking that you can school us about irony--when you obviously have absolutely no idea what the word means. Now, kindly return to the Daily Kos and let the adults discuss politics.</p> You state that “irony is lost on right wingers”; however, I really don’t think that you have any idea of what constitutes irony. Falsely accusing people of racism is not irony–it’s just obnoxious and irresponsible. Demeaning hard-working Americans as “mac and cheese” eaters is not irony–it’s elitism and arrogance. Talking about how you notice that black and white people are, now, talking to each other because Obama won is not irony–it’s just pathetic on Dowd’s part, and it’s flat out wrong. Oh, and making a false comparison between Mr. Darcy’s character and Barack Obama (they are nothing alike) is not irony–it’s ignorance. Irony is you coming over here thinking that you can school us about irony–when you obviously have absolutely no idea what the word means. Now, kindly return to the Daily Kos and let the adults discuss politics.

]]> By: nikosdj http://www.redstate.com/susannah/2008/11/10/and-the-winner-is-maureen-dowd/#comment-39 nikosdj Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:39:52 +0000 #comment-39 <p>Maureen Dowd was the most entertaining, funny and to-the-point writer in this election.(read her column about the secret Hillary-McCain meeting-hillarious) Why is irony always lost on right wingers. It remains a mystery to me. Those conservative writers that are truly insightful, dignified and <br /> serious thinkers like D. Brooks , P. Noonan , Hitchens, K. Parker etc you guys brush them off because they speak truth to the shrinking GOP agenda.</p> <p>As if talent, knowledge, insight and anybody who is above mediocre these days is anathema to the Republican hard core.</p> <p>The GOP is old, angry and provincial. Unless the 2.0 version comes out in the near future you guys would have lost a whole generation of young Americans for the next 25 years.</p> <p>Listen to this guy commenting on your post:</p> <p>Kill the terrorists Protect the borders Punch the hippies</p> <p>see what I mean . . . you got a problem</p> <p>Sebelious/Hagel 2016</p> Maureen Dowd was the most entertaining, funny and to-the-point writer in this election.(read her column about the secret Hillary-McCain meeting-hillarious)
Why is irony always lost on right wingers.
It remains a mystery to me.
Those conservative writers that are
truly insightful, dignified and
serious thinkers like D. Brooks , P. Noonan , Hitchens, K. Parker etc you guys brush them off because they speak truth to the shrinking GOP agenda.

As if talent, knowledge, insight and anybody who is above mediocre these days is anathema to the Republican hard core.

The GOP is old, angry and provincial.
Unless the 2.0 version comes out in the near future you guys would have lost a whole generation of young Americans
for the next 25 years.

Listen to this guy commenting on your post:

Kill the terrorists
Protect the borders
Punch the hippies

see what I mean . . . you got a problem

Sebelious/Hagel 2016

]]> By: seattle_ite http://www.redstate.com/susannah/2008/11/10/and-the-winner-is-maureen-dowd/#comment-38 seattle_ite Thu, 13 Nov 2008 04:37:19 +0000 #comment-38 <p>I must admit, I never really had much interest in Ms. Jane in my youth; I may have to check out those books. You've piqued my curiosity for the classics. I was always a Shakespeare kind of guy, before I found sci-fi.</p> <p>What Dowd & Co. refuse to understand is, though mac and cheese is a nice dish for the masses, it's mostly used as a staple food, due to economic woes placed upon us by the elite. Wonder how she feels about folks who've had to fish for their dinner?</p> I must admit, I never really had much interest in Ms. Jane in my youth; I may have to check out those books. You’ve piqued my curiosity for the classics. I was always a Shakespeare kind of guy, before I found sci-fi.

What Dowd & Co. refuse to understand is, though mac and cheese is a nice dish for the masses, it’s mostly used as a staple food, due to economic woes placed upon us by the elite. Wonder how she feels about folks who’ve had to fish for their dinner?

]]> By: Susannah http://www.redstate.com/susannah/2008/11/10/and-the-winner-is-maureen-dowd/#comment-37 Susannah Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:42:21 +0000 #comment-37 <p>I totally agree with everything that you've written--especially the part about Jane Austen having such a great understanding of human nature. I think that's why her books are so timeless--regardless of what century it is, human nature always remains the same.</p> <p>Oh, and thanks to all of you fellow Janeites who appreciated and recced my diary. :-)</p> I totally agree with everything that you’ve written–especially the part about Jane Austen having such a great understanding of human nature. I think that’s why her books are so timeless–regardless of what century it is, human nature always remains the same.

Oh, and thanks to all of you fellow Janeites who appreciated and recced my diary. :-)

]]> By: hunter http://www.redstate.com/susannah/2008/11/10/and-the-winner-is-maureen-dowd/#comment-36 hunter Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:40:55 +0000 #comment-36 <p>Read anything she writes about her personal life....she is rather pitiable. Her politics are just an acting out of that.</p> Read anything she writes about her personal life….she is rather pitiable.
Her politics are just an acting out of that.

]]> By: Hermes http://www.redstate.com/susannah/2008/11/10/and-the-winner-is-maureen-dowd/#comment-35 Hermes Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:54:59 +0000 #comment-35 <p>The deep understanding of human nature and the ability to so fluidly spin what is, essentially, a character-driven (rather than event-driven) narrative are the prized abilities that still make Jane Austen part of the Great Books list. As has been pointed out, Maureen Dowd needs to actually read Austen's works rather than simply skim the annotated versions produced by Cliff and his compatriots.</p> The deep understanding of human nature and the ability to so fluidly spin what is, essentially, a character-driven (rather than event-driven) narrative are the prized abilities that still make Jane Austen part of the Great Books list. As has been pointed out, Maureen Dowd needs to actually read Austen’s works rather than simply skim the annotated versions produced by Cliff and his compatriots.

]]> By: Susannah http://www.redstate.com/susannah/2008/11/10/and-the-winner-is-maureen-dowd/#comment-34 Susannah Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:42:55 +0000 #comment-34 <p>Mrs. Elton from "Emma", another great Jane Austen novel, is the perfect comparison for Maureen Dowd (Emma was adorably played by Gwenneth Paltrow in the movie). Mrs. Elton embodies pretentiousness--I love it when she says, "Well, I don't know if my talent is great, but MY FRIENDS all say that it is". :-)</p> Mrs. Elton from “Emma”, another great Jane Austen novel, is the perfect comparison for Maureen Dowd (Emma was adorably played by Gwenneth Paltrow in the movie). Mrs. Elton embodies pretentiousness–I love it when she says, “Well, I don’t know if my talent is great, but MY FRIENDS all say that it is”. :-)

]]> By: Husker http://www.redstate.com/susannah/2008/11/10/and-the-winner-is-maureen-dowd/#comment-33 Husker Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:11:43 +0000 #comment-33 <p>Nice read Susannah. Nicely done indeed.</p> <p>Shame. I always thought Bob Herbert was the dumbest columnist in America with access to a keyboard and a national newspaper, but now I'll have to give that some thought.</p> Nice read Susannah. Nicely done indeed.

Shame. I always thought Bob Herbert was the dumbest columnist in America with access to a keyboard and a national newspaper, but now I’ll have to give that some thought.

]]> By: Susannah http://www.redstate.com/susannah/2008/11/10/and-the-winner-is-maureen-dowd/#comment-32 Susannah Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:29:16 +0000 #comment-32 <p>Lobsters are awesome. :-)</p> Lobsters are awesome. :-)

]]> By: streetwise http://www.redstate.com/susannah/2008/11/10/and-the-winner-is-maureen-dowd/#comment-31 streetwise Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:27:49 +0000 #comment-31 By: From_ME_to_you http://www.redstate.com/susannah/2008/11/10/and-the-winner-is-maureen-dowd/#comment-30 From_ME_to_you Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:08:17 +0000 #comment-30 <p>how could I <u><b>possibly</b></u> say no to you??? (I just love typing that!!! LOL) <a href="http://s293.photobucket.com/albums/mm54/From_MEtoyou/?action=view&current=5Lobsters.gif" target="_blank"><img src="http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm54/From_MEtoyou/5Lobsters.gif" border="0" alt="5 Lobsters"></a></p> <p>Lobsters are best <u>steamed</u> <font size="3"><b>NOT</b></font> boiled! Served with drawn butter with a light infusion of garlic is the best! </p> <p>Hard to believe that at one time lobster was given to the 'help' because it wasn't good enough for the upper crust!!</p> how could I possibly say no to you??? (I just love typing that!!! LOL)
5 Lobsters

Lobsters are best steamed NOT boiled! Served with drawn butter with a light infusion of garlic is the best!

Hard to believe that at one time lobster was given to the ‘help’ because it wasn’t good enough for the upper crust!!

]]> By: ExileinArden http://www.redstate.com/susannah/2008/11/10/and-the-winner-is-maureen-dowd/#comment-29 ExileinArden Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:05:09 +0000 #comment-29 <p>The entire hoity-toity MSM/academe/upper-middle class establishment enamoured with Obama might be compared to Caroline Bingley and her circle, or Mrs. Elton and her upwardly-immobile in-laws. They are bossy name-droppers oblivious to the real lives, or feelings, of their "inferiors", to whom they pay precious little attention. I'm delighted with the fact that Dowd's column, as you quote it, confirms my pet surmise that there are a great many political teenyboppers, young and old, who went about on Election Day or thereafter purposefully fishing for compliments from black people they otherwise pay no heed to, as if to say: "See, I'm one of the magical non-racists who GAVE you this wonderful gift! I made this happen for YOU! Don't you want to THANK ME?!?" That this kind of condescending "noblese oblige" counts as covert racism (which it patently does) does not occur at all to the likes of Dowd, any more than the "Sex and the City" filmmakers reckon with the racist undertones of their casting of Jennifer Hudson to cater to the whims of a spoilt, aging white princess. One point where I'll have to dissent from your enlivening analysis: I'm less enthusiastic than you on Kiera Knightley's acting abilities! But you're right: I doubt Dowd, or her peers, have invested much time in the literary canon!</p> The entire hoity-toity MSM/academe/upper-middle class establishment enamoured with Obama might be compared to Caroline Bingley and her circle, or Mrs. Elton and her upwardly-immobile in-laws. They are bossy name-droppers oblivious to the real lives, or feelings, of their “inferiors”, to whom they pay precious little attention.
I’m delighted with the fact that Dowd’s column, as you quote it, confirms my pet surmise that there are a great many political teenyboppers, young and old, who went about on Election Day or thereafter purposefully fishing for compliments from black people they otherwise pay no heed to, as if to say: “See, I’m one of the magical non-racists who GAVE you this wonderful gift! I made this happen for YOU! Don’t you want to THANK ME?!?” That this kind of condescending “noblese oblige” counts as covert racism (which it patently does) does not occur at all to the likes of Dowd, any more than the “Sex and the City” filmmakers reckon with the racist undertones of their casting of Jennifer Hudson to cater to the whims of a spoilt, aging white princess.
One point where I’ll have to dissent from your enlivening analysis: I’m less enthusiastic than you on Kiera Knightley’s acting abilities! But you’re right: I doubt Dowd, or her peers, have invested much time in the literary canon!

]]> By: Susannah http://www.redstate.com/susannah/2008/11/10/and-the-winner-is-maureen-dowd/#comment-28 Susannah Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:10:00 +0000 #comment-28 <p>Now, if you get the time, may I please have some lobsters? They're so cute. :-)</p> Now, if you get the time, may I please have some lobsters? They’re so cute. :-)

]]> By: Susannah http://www.redstate.com/susannah/2008/11/10/and-the-winner-is-maureen-dowd/#comment-27 Susannah Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:55:34 +0000 #comment-27 <p>Oh, and I agree with you that Bob Herbert is a very close second. :-)</p> Oh, and I agree with you that Bob Herbert is a very close second. :-)

]]> By: My2Cents http://www.redstate.com/susannah/2008/11/10/and-the-winner-is-maureen-dowd/#comment-26 My2Cents Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:40:35 +0000 #comment-26 <p>...of Michael Douglas?</p> …of Michael Douglas?

]]> By: From_ME_to_you http://www.redstate.com/susannah/2008/11/10/and-the-winner-is-maureen-dowd/#comment-25 From_ME_to_you Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:21:14 +0000 #comment-25 <p>Thank you for reading the NYT so that I don't have to undergo that hideous form of torture!</p> Thank you for reading the NYT so that I don’t have to undergo that hideous form of torture!

]]> By: E_Pluribus_Unum http://www.redstate.com/susannah/2008/11/10/and-the-winner-is-maureen-dowd/#comment-24 E_Pluribus_Unum Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:07:53 +0000 #comment-24 <p>but you make a very good case for man-hater Dowd. Great to see you kicking out work like this, Susannah.</p> but you make a very good case for man-hater Dowd. Great to see you kicking out work like this, Susannah.

]]> By: cookcountyconservative http://www.redstate.com/susannah/2008/11/10/and-the-winner-is-maureen-dowd/#comment-23 cookcountyconservative Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:59:19 +0000 #comment-23 <p>I love it as only a Janeite can! </p> <p>Thanks</p> I love it as only a Janeite can!

Thanks

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