Now, what do we do about it?

You just have to see their way of thinking. You can’t count the conservatives because they are just brainwashed by Rush and Sean.

You can’t count the teaparties because they are just hate filled racists.

and you can’t count old people because they are living in the past and not sophisticated enough to grasp the nuances of Obamacare.

Furthermore you have to count the SEIU twice because the work they do is soooo important. And you have to count ACORN three times because of a legacy of discrimination.

therefore they can shout out that the people are far it and they really don’t think they are lying.

The content of this bill is a disgrace and not what the poeple want.

The compilation methods of this bill are a disgrace, and not what the poeple want..

The ILLEGAL method by which the WH and Dems are extorting each other and forcing an unwanted bill is a disgrace, and not what the people want.

And as you point out, communist czars are still embraced and empowered…not to mention terrorist sympathizing DOJ and DOJ reps. This is definitley not what the people want.

This administration needs to get that their initiatives, appointees, and methods are not what the people want…..and if they won’t hear it….then we are going to have to explain it to them …quite a bit LOUDER and more powerfully!!

The WH and Dem Congress are a disgrace to this country…and for that matter, they are a disgrace to humanity.

Wow. Look out Susan, I’ve been catching heck for providing an answer to this question. Dare to mention such things and there are a few folks who will outright explode on you.

Civil disobedience like MLK? Nullification? They worked before, but the mention of them here brings down the wrath of those who would dare not act to defend their rights. They will call you names but offer no arguments. They will say you are off your meds. They will make you look like a scary horrible monster whose ideas are dangerous. They will say you are trying to take down this site with such inflammatory language.

I share your fear because there are many like these naysayers. The real question is how many sheep do we have and how many wolves. If we have more wolves, we win. If not, well…hello comrade.

Fine. I will. Revolution. I never thought I’d find myself saying it, but at some point, enough is enough. It’s one thing if you live in a country where the majority believes in a set of principles and the government merely exists to facilitate these becoming law. It is another when the government is completely detached from the citizenry and enacts laws that the majority is vehemently against. It is also one thing to enact unpopular laws that, in the near or long term, will redound to the public’s benefit, and quite another to lie outright about the laws’ substance in order to create the mere illusion of support.

Enough. Is. Enough.

If the revolution doesn’t come now, it will come soon enough. A year or so ago there was an article in a couple of the major newspapers about a Russian professor who predicted the dissolution of the United States into a few different countries. At the time, I thought the notion was laughable. Now, it cannot be discounted and, if push came to shove, who among us would not give some serious thought to picking up and moving to a state or group of states that would secede from the US and establish the type of Republic that the Founders intended? I would.

revolution does not come until the people’s bellies are empty. Obama is working on that with the water in Calif. and fishing laws, Monsanto attempting to make all seeds non regenerating, the feds owning most of the land. It is coming but as long as most people still have their cabel, and their restaurants, and cell phones, and SUV’s they will not believe they are in trouble.

Making the rounds of the Internet:

In Washington an old priest lay dying in the hospital. For years he had faithfully served the people of the nation’s capital.

He motioned for his nurse to come near. “Yes, Father?” said the nurse.

“I would really like to see Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi before I die”, whispered the priest.

“I’ll see what I can do, Father”, replied the nurse.

The nurse sent the request to The House and Senate waited for a response. Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi would be delighted to visit the priest. As they went to the hospital, Reid commented to Pelosi, “This certainly will help our images and might even get me re-elected.”

When they arrived at the priest’s room, the priest took Reid’s hand in his right hand and Pelosi’s hand in his left.

Nancy Pelosi asked: “Father, of all the people you could have chosen, why did you choose us to be with you as you near the end?”

The old priest slowly replied, “I have always tried to pattern my life after Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. And so since Jesus died between two lying thieving bastards, I would like to the same!”

is the exact right word.

During one of my early law classes the difference between the Declaration of Independence and Constitution was defined as thus:

The Declaration is the promise made to Humanity. The Constitution is our second attempt at fulfilling that promise (after the Articles of Confederation). The promise is what must be honored.

As the last resort, the tool of choice for the founders, and the one they used successfully themselves, is the 2nd amendment.

One clarification… The Founders didn’t give us that right.

They RECOGNIZED that we ALREADY have the right to throw off the shackles of an oppressive government.

Reading and digesting recent actions by our elected representatives in Congress has caused me to do more reading and pondering. The statist influences there have been insisting that their prerogative to force everyone to purchase insurance (as well as many of their other actions) is buttressed by the commerce clause in the U.S. Constitution.

Perhaps. Perhaps not. A careful consideration of the clause, in the context of the times and the intent with which it was written might lead us to a far different conclusion.

Our Constitution was intended to be a framework which limited the powers of the Federal government. It is a document that defines in a very finite manner those things which “We the People” have permitted our government to do. As Jefferson said, “In questions of political power, speak to me not of confidence in men, but bind them down from mischief with the chains of a Constitution.”

In this perspective, the commerce clause’s wording, “To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;” was very likely intended to mean only that commerce that occurred between any two or more states, as distinct entities. By this reading, regulation of commerce that is between individuals (and businesses, corporations, etc.), whether or not across state lines, was not what was intended by this clause. It was said by Chief Justice Marshall that it is a matter of public history that the object of vesting in congress the power to regulate commerce with foreign nations and among the several states was to insure uniformity for regulation against conflicting and discriminating state legislation.

Because of the founders’ intense distrust of those who would wield power in the name of government, I believe that this is precisely what was meant by the commerce clause, and adherence to this principle would necessarily negate a great deal of the interference in our economy that has discharged from the sewer that Washington D.C. has become. The position of Justice Marshall affirms this view.

I’m really surprised this was promoted. It’s well written, but it really does seem like you’re advocating armed revolution…

Perhaps you’re not, but I’ll quote Jaded on this one “It’s not fair to blame the tiger for attacking you after you stood outside his cage with a steak in your hands.”

I really like this site, but this kind of talk is dangerous. If you want to overthrow the government, do it in November.

Just asking, as the saying goes.

I”m prepared, as I’m sure most here are.

is WORKING. Doesn’t the fact they are to the point of openly ignoring the rules, to see if they can get away with it, prove that?

We don’t need anything torn down or reconstructed. We simply need an educated, concerned populace electing people who don’t believe things which are palpably untrue.

We are living through an echo of the end of the Cold War, the last desperate gasp of a disproven sociopolitical philosophy. They will fail in the end, because there is no way they can succeed, as their entire way of thinking flies in the face of the very laws of the universe.

What should tell us the most, is the fact their death spiral began the day they assumed true power., crowing about 40 years of “Rule.”

that Obama’s approval is still ~50%. Given how tyrannical and corrupt Obama/Reid/Pelosi’s actions have been the past year, it is rather pathetic that 50% still approve.

What happens to a country when 50% of the citizens are accepting of corruption, don’t appreciate liberty, don’t understand economics, and have an entitlement mentality.

What if that happens when 40% of the population still understands and appreciates liberty and the constitution? In that case it seems there won’t ever be a democratic way to restore liberty and constitutional governance.

The left is proposing to operate outside the Constitution. This is not a matter of policy opinion. Think it over. I seriously doubt anybody here advocates violence. I’d be more concerned about your own side, as they have shown their ability to passively condone beating and intimidation. If that were not the case, why did nothing happen with voter intimidation in PA and the beating of the man at the tea party event.

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In addition to the Declaration of Independence, John Locke (who influenced the Founders) discussed the dissolution of government in Chapter XIX of his “Second Treatise of Government.” I advise anyone interested in this topic to read this chapter, which is readily available on the Internet.

Like the Founders, Locke also fails to say “How” we go about dissolving the government. However, it would not be a rebellion on the part of the people. Locke notes that by giving our consent to legislators, we move from a state of war to a society based on the rule of law. By acting against the will of the people, the legislators have created a situation in which was have “rebellare,” i.e., a return to war. In other words, the Democrats have declared war on the American people. They are the ones who rebelled.

I’m not sure how we react to this declaration of war. Perhaps the first step would be to for us to peacefully occupy the district offices of the Democrats who vote for Obamacare against the wishes of the American people. If this were coordinated throughout the country, it would send at least a symbolic message that we intend to take our country back. The media would have to cover the event and that would be the ideal time to educate other Americans about how the Democrats have rebelled against us.

I am used to seeing articles that speak about how this bill will fail. There are a few web sites that I look at multiple times daily because I so value the wisdom on those sites. Red State is THE one I look to to understand where the unconstitutional socialist bill is headed.
This piece has me thinking about an iconic picture of a man from world war II. It is the picture of a sharply dressed French man who is crying, as he holds a handkerchief to brush away his tears as the German stormtroopers parade past.
That brought me to an analogy; the French Maginot line. It was placed to defend France from Germany. What did Germany do, they just went around it, and over it. I see our Maginot line is the Constitution and the Supreme Court.
If this passes, health care is the least of our problems. EVERYTHING in our lives will be subject to unelected Washington bureaucrats. They will no longer need constitutionally based laws to restrict our freedoms. Some obscure bureaucratic panel, will simply set “policy.” Too many people falling off ladders, costing the government too much money for patient care…restrict the use of ladders.
Do you think I am over reacting? If you think that such control would be hard to enforce, I want to to go to Google maps. Click on street view, and you can see your house. In fact you can see most houses in the WORLD. Want to see the actual entrance to Area 51? A picture of the entrance to Area 51 is a just a mouse-click away. If Google can do that, what do you think the government can do?
The question is what will we do? How far will we go to limit control of government?

and, Fox News, once being the only broadcast for those right of Center has now added John Podesta to their Sunday Chris Wallace panel at least. Anyone remember how many times John Podesta, a former Clinton operative, head of the Tides Foundation, a George Soros organization, has been on the far left radical side of Glenn Becks chalkboard. Now, he is a panel member on Sunday with Chris Wallace. Why has FOX gone so far in their supposed “fair and balanced” meme with far left radicals. I am now thinking that Juan Williams and Mara Liason are tame compared to their newly found stormtroopers.

…repeated to a much larger audience (as opposed to here (1)):

“…[for government] to grasp at a more extensive power than [the people] are willing to entrust, is to violate that law of nature, which gives every man a right to his personal liberty; and can, therefore, confer no obligation of obedience” – Alexander Hamilton, The Farmer Refuted (1775)

(It just struck me that the phrasing “to grasp at” sets a rather low threshold…as in just the act or reaching for more power, whether it is successful or not…violates the people’s trust. That puts our current situation in a very interesting light. But, I digress.)

In the end, the courts must rule, the states must act (push back), and the system must endure. (Of course, to paraphrase a great one, it is the worst system imaginable…except for all the rest.)

Ntrepid
Proud Redstate “Old Timer”: 5 Years and 6 Months

(1) http://www.redstate.com/ntrepid/2010/03/13/echoes-of-%e2%80%9975%e2%80%a6/

and as Vassar has pointed out, even those on our side (supposedly) don’t seem to get just how dire these circumstances are. So many want to tag Obama as incompetent. He is not. Are those who we thought were our buffers against the takeover incompetent, or complicit. I am truly at the point that I am not trusting almost anyone. Incompetent, stupid, or deniers of reality, do nothing to turn this clock back.

This is, in my mind, a peaceful yet nuclear option. It is the Constitutional Convention. Article 5 states in part:

“The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof”

I would say that IF Congress and the President have the temerity to act unconstitutionally through one or the other of the methods that are on the table today, it may be time for the States to reclaim their rightful place through the Constitutional Convention. We are not dependent on Congress to make fixes.

that we let the Federal government (and states to some degree) get this far. We saw advantage for our side or for ourselves by letting the government have an income tax, then we became addicted to the free money.

Regardless of what happens with this election or any, if we do not greatly limit the ability of the government to tax, we will come back to this, the precipice of tyranny, again and again.

Tyranny need not be to a man or to a party; it can be to laws so numerous that no man could possibly obey all of them.

The ultimate reset button.

The Left/OBamailis are not without their own pushback strategies.

The sin of the “hunker down” strategy of the GOP the past year, using a blue pencil instead of outrage, the Constitution and spine, as noted in EE’s opening piece this AM, has forced the People to assume a role they never should have had to assume. (That’s what all of the above is about , really, us doing or contemplating doing what we shouldn’t have to do.

But there you have it, we do have do this, and press forward (I hope) in measured steps, for when you have a standoff between two parties, both of whom “gotta do what a man’s gotta do”, there will be clash.
That said, Obama (or someone else up there) does have other options, which can become plausible because of the implied threats we are now making to Congress. They can stage an “event”, any sort of event, that can be laid at our feet, then call out the Guard, declare martial law, any number of things.. If it comes out by the end of the week that Nancy cannot get the votes, the chances of that event increase….what, from 1 in 100 to 1 in 10?

My Mom is 80, and not really concerned with politics, but lately she has been paying attention. Yesterday, on a trip to the doctor, she told me this is the first time in her life she feels like the US government is her enemy.

one of those who is confused that this diary was promoted. While well-written, it seems to come dangerously close to advocating for revolution or nullification.