
From a story in today’s Washington Post headlined Poll shows more Americans think Obama is a Muslim:
The number of Americans who believe — wrongly — that President Obama is a Muslim has increased significantly since his inauguration and now accounts for nearly 20 percent of the nation’s population.
Those results, from a new Pew Research Center survey, were drawn from interviews done before the president’s comments about the construction of an Islamic cultural center near Ground Zero, and they suggest that there could be serious political danger for the White House as the debate continues.
The president’s religion, like his place of birth, has been the subject of Internet-spread rumors and falsehoods since before he began his presidential campaign, and the poll indicates that those rumors have gained currency since Obama took office. The number of people who now correctly identify Obama as a Christian has dropped to 34 percent, down from nearly half when he took office.
Wonder why that is?
What is illustrative about this story is that roughly the same number of people believe Obama is a muslim and was born outside the United States as believe a mosque should be built on Ground Zero and the US Government was behind 9/11 — too bad we can’t do a Venn Diagram here.
If the Post is puzzled as to why this should be the case, it need look no further than the flaccid, sycophantic coverage it has given Obama the Senator, Obama the Candidate, and Obama the President.
Obama’s lack of experience: ignored.
The sale of Obama’s senate seat: ignored.
Failure of Senator Obama’s subcommittee to hold hearings on Afghanistan: ignored.
Obama’s relationship with Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn: ignored.
Obama’s relationship with Jeremiah Wright: ignored.
Obama’s appointment of a pedophile as safe schools czar: ignored.
Obama’s appointment of an avowed commie and 9/11 Troofer as “green jobs czar”: ignored.
Obama’s birth certificate: ignored.
I lump these all together for a reason because they are all stories the legacy media should have covered had they been as invested in doing their job as they were in promoting Obama’s candidacy. For those who pooh-pooh the idea that Obama’s birth origins warranted investigation I can only point out that the legacy media did cover the idea that John McCain’s birth in the US Canal Zone — to a US Naval officer and his American citizen wife — might exclude him from the Presidency. If you’re saying that being crazy per se disqualifies an idea as worthy of investigation I present Exhibit A which proves conclusively that no idea is too crazy to be investigated: the aptly named Gary Sick’s October Surprise allegation.
Whenever an area of controversy has arisen concerning Obama it has been ignored by the press and anyone bringing up the subject demonized. This has had two effects. First, a lot of the nuttiness on this administration has been exposed by nontraditional media. Second, the refusal of the legacy media to investigate gives an aura of plausibility to just about any story circulating about the administration.
So while this lickspittle relationship the media has with Obama did enable him to win the presidency and it has enabled his egregious policies to escape public scrutiny, it has also created a climate where the media have sacrificed all credibility when it comes to dealing with negative stories about Obama.
I don’t know what Obama’s religion is and don’t much care. Obama’s quarter century in a front row seat in the Reverend Jeremiah Wright’s house of hate isn’t any more dispositive of his Christianity than Bubba attending Matt Hale’s Church of the Creator but that doesn’t make him a muslim. If you’re predisposed to believe he is muslim, you will always fall back on the claim that he’s practicing taqiyya. Personally, I think Obama believes in one thing: that he should get what he wants. He sat through Wright’s racemongering Sabbath after Sabbath because it brought him influence. If he thought becoming a Buddhist would guarantee his election in 2012, we’d see him boarding Air Force One with a shaved head and wearing a saffron robe. He is his own monotheistic religion.
The illustration at the top of this story, though, indicates why this mysterious belief that Obama is a muslim not only persists, but is growing (if any MMfA goon gets this far be sure to read this paragraph closely). It is a claim that warrants investigation if the Post sees fit to run a story decrying as a calumny that one in five Americans believe this to be the case. It is a view that isn’t going to go away simply because the media feel uncomfortable examining Obama’s religion. Candidates from at least Jimmy Carter have had their religious beliefs scrutinized by theological imbeciles in the media, why does Obama get a pass? He shouldn’t. It wasn’t fair to the country that this and other allegations were ignored. And now, belatedly, the media are discovering that it wasn’t fair to either Obama or themselves.
With this particular president, the debate is over. Any story, no matter how ridiculous, will gain a substantial following because the media have sacrificed their credibility. Maybe in 2012, if we’re lucky, or 2016, if we’re not, the media will return to doing the job it claims it wants to do, to play a constructive role in our political process. They can do that by treating the candidates they like the same way they treat those they don’t like.
Steve Maley
KnightsofMalta
You're kidding
banzaibob (Diary) Thursday, August 19th at 4:44PM EST (link)“Maybe in 2012, if we’re lucky, or 2016, if we’re not, the media will return to doing the job it claims it wants to do, to play a constructive role in our political process”
God himself can descend say all is well with the media and I still wouldn’t believe him.
Prefiero morir de pie que vivir de rodillas
It’s better to die upon your feet than to live upon your knees!
Emiliano Zapata
If He showed up to say that...
stephaniet Friday, August 20th at 8:42AM EST (link)…it might be because the media folks all came down with a plague or something. Like a particular chunk of the New Testament: “Mary, Joseph, you can take baby Jesus back home from Egypt now. The guy who wanted him and all the other babies dead is, well, dead now.”
Now, I’d *really* like to see every reporter come down with sudden, painful boils, a la one of the plagues unleashed on Egypt right before the Exodus. That would make my year…
“*They* say the best weapon is one you never have to fire. I respectfully disagree. I *prefer* the weapon you only have to fire *once*. That’s how Dad did it; that’s how America does it… and it’s worked out pretty well so far.”
If it were more evident that
Cargosquid (Diary) Thursday, August 19th at 4:50PM EST (link)he was more interested in advancing the nterests of America instead of his party or the progressive agenda, in general, then I think that this story would have less impact.
His religion doesn’t matter as long as he has the well being of America as his main interest.
Now, if there IS evidence that he gave up his nationality, etc, THAT should be investigated, if only to disprove it…..or impeach the rat ba#tard….
Unfortunately, when the traditional media
Flagstaff (Diary) Thursday, August 19th at 4:51PM EST (link)“return to doing the job it claims it wants to do,” it will do so by peering very closely at the Republican candidates and the tea party membership.
Democrats will always get a pass.
“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964
Funniest line I've read in a bit: "He is his own monotheistic religion."
spainishirish (Diary) Thursday, August 19th at 4:51PM EST (link)Yes, the old left-wing media has created this atmosphere in two ways. First, these dinosaurs decry the fringes they don’t like. And then they turn around and become the fringe on issues like the Ground Zero mosque, or make that “really-close-to-but-not-on-Ground-Zero-community-center.” And they still live in a fantasy world wherein they believe the public has forgotten that 72 hours ago this mosque was a great thing precisely because it was located at Ground Zero. This issue is only the latest where the legacy media reveals itself as the fringe, but it is the one about to take it out along with its Democratic and left-wing handlers.
The best result for 2012 and 2016 and beyond, and it appears about to be achieved, will be that what was formerly known as the “mainstream media” no longer will be relevant. It is long overdue but it has hastened the day.
Sharp piece, and even where I don’t agree with you your case is persuasive.
Today, Rush said that
Flagstaff (Diary) Thursday, August 19th at 5:10PM EST (link)there was need for BO to attend a church to worship himself.
“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964
That's a funny line as well. Come to think of it, Obama may be "polytheistic"
spainishirish (Diary) Thursday, August 19th at 5:17PM EST (link)because there are two or more of him on every issue, especially when he addresses audiences with different points of view on different dates.
Nope
Superheater (Diary) Thursday, August 19th at 9:42PM EST (link)He may be multilateral, but he is a monotheist.
There is no God but Obama
Typo alert.
Flagstaff (Diary) Thursday, August 19th at 7:24PM EST (link)Should have said “there was NO need for BO to attend a church to worship himself.”
“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964
They've always been on the fringe...
rbdwiggins (Diary) Thursday, August 19th at 5:56PM EST (link)Well, at least since about 1968 and President Nixon’s landslide victory. Much to their detriment, the American people just didn’t know it. They (msm) were then, and still are, a very loud and vocal hate-filled minority.
Thanks to the “new” media, in which Redstate has for the past six years proudly played a leading role, the veil of obfuscation has been lifted.
“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
Did you use Pelosis' SUPERGAVEL
Deskpilot (Diary) Thursday, August 19th at 4:56PM EST (link)With this one? Aahhnold in Sacramento, and Wright in Chicago, probably felt the Earth move, under their feet. Now all we need is the sky to come a tumbili’ down on the MSM, and ALL of the Congresscritters. Washington D.C. and its sycophantic media need to be run out of town and replaced wholesale.
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MSM will find religion again...
reggie1 Thursday, August 19th at 4:58PM EST (link)…Just wait until Mitt declares officially. Suddenly, religious background will matter like it never has before.
If he would stop acting like a Muslim it might help.
Tbone (Diary) Thursday, August 19th at 5:05PM EST (link)Quack, quack, quack.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
Orthodox Muslim, that Obama is
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, August 19th at 5:30PM EST (link)Letting his wife out of the house without requiring a male relative escort, allowing her to go outside without a burka, not praying Salah 5 times a day, drinking alcoholic beverages, not paying Zakat, not observing Ramadan, not undertaking the Hajj, and general non-observance of the Five Pillars: totally sounds like the Islam we all know and love.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Heh.
tacoslayer (Diary) Thursday, August 19th at 5:44PM EST (link)5!
Not blowing himself up, not killing his daughters,
Tbone (Diary) Thursday, August 19th at 6:17PM EST (link)not slitting people’s throats on the internet, yep, you may be right.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
All OK if it advances Islam. Though I don't actually believe Comrade Obama is a Muslim,
Achance (Diary) Thursday, August 19th at 6:17PM EST (link)I do believe his sympathies lie more with the Muslim world than with the Western Christian world. Some of us are old enough to remember a little history. Much of Obama’s early life here in Hawaii only makes sense if you consider him to be a Red Diaper Baby, and there were plenty of communists on the West Coast and in the Pacific Territories. Harry Bridges and the ILWU owned Democrat politics on the West Coast and in the territories, the ILWU to a large degree still does, and Bridges was an out and out communist.
Post WWII, there was a considerable communist sponsored “anti-collonial rebellion in the Dutch East Indies, or Indonesia, where Barry went after his mother took an Indonesian husband and moved with her child to Indonesia. Sukarno played a delicate and deadly balancing act of getting what he wanted from the West by leaning towards the communists and vice versa, but, typically, the communists thought they were more powerful than they actually were and lost a coup attempt after which they were brutally suppressed. Barry was in Indonesia in those days and then comes back to be raised by Grandma and Grandpa in Hawaii – sure would like to know more about those two, but they’re safely dead now as is Barry’s mother. Somewhere from means that wouldn’t seem to make it possible and with an intellect and personality would wouldn’t indicate he was just naturally going to rise, Barry goes to private schools and the Ivy League in an atmosphere of complete mystery about how he got in, how he paid for it, what he took, and what his grades were. And people wonder why people wonder?
In Vino Veritas
I fail to see how this makes him different
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, August 19th at 6:27PM EST (link)From the mindless WASPs who comprise the liberal caste of higher-ups. There’s not really much room for any kind of faith among those type; though some have made a grudging peace with the “opiate” in the service of higher goals. Eastern and tribal religions, and now Islam, are kosher with liberals mostly because of anti-colonialist sentiment, and a general preference for Maoist, Trotskyist, Fabian, and Gramscian thought over traditional Marxist thought (essentially throwing out the parts of the historical dialectic that required a country to be capitalist before advancing to the socialist stage).
Personally, I don’t think that Obama’s narcissism allows for a higher power other than himself.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
You have to understand that much a majority of the culture in the Hawaiian
Tbone (Diary) Thursday, August 19th at 8:31PM EST (link)Islands is anti-American. Being tutored by Frank Davis is not a normal American kids experience nor going to brainwashing school in Indonesia.
I say he is more Muslim than anything else, as evidenced by his actions, and no one can offer any proof otherwise.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
Best Info on Obama
lakecrazy Friday, August 20th at 7:27AM EST (link)read the Obama files on Newzeal.blogspot.com Trevor Loudon has done years of research on Obama and others.
Nobody knows who Obama is...
bonsage Thursday, August 19th at 6:51PM EST (link)We have a President about whom we actually know virtually nothing: we don’t know where he was born, we don’t know his religion, we don’t know how he got into college – his admission test scores or grades, we don’t know who his friends and financial backers are, we don’t know if he actually wrote the books with which he is ‘credited’ etc., etc., etc., and worst of all, we really have no idea how he feels about the United States of America, whether he is friend or foe.
Bonsage that is very correct, 5s. And so....
cactusjack Thursday, August 19th at 7:15PM EST (link)the American people have no choice but to fall back on judging him by his *actions* and we have all – independents and Dems included – had two years’ worth of them now. And his approval ratings are accordingly falling through the floor.
"no idea is too crazy to be investigated"?
Flagstaff (Diary) Thursday, August 19th at 5:07PM EST (link)The McCain not “natural-born” theory is crazier than the similar Obama idea, but the McCain story was followed and the Obama story was dismissed.
The real Obama story is why is the press so incurious? Why has Obama hidden his life’s records?
The school record above has a clue. Maybe his legitimate US birth certificate contains that same word. “Islam.” Not legally disqualifying, just embarrassing and politically deadly.
“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964
Barry Soetoro?
Veronica (Diary) Thursday, August 19th at 5:07PM EST (link)Man .. either’s there’s been too much going these past 20+ months (including the election) and I forgot about this, or — I admit — I ignored the birther bit on purpose b/c it “helped” establish the “illegitimacy” of the blogsphere.
But then Journo came out and it’s all gone to hell.
Now, we’re all truthers of sorts b/c msm has been an abysmal #fail.
Very nice post, strieff.
And to this, I add that I don’t care about his faith, either .. if only he stood behind the words “God Bless America” whenever he utters them.
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Pray as if everything depends on God, and work as if everything depends on us. – St. Augustine
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Whenever he says...
saccrewdog Thursday, August 19th at 10:40PM EST (link)“God bless America,” it should be understood that he is giving a command.
Offense goes with a defense
gwalt Thursday, August 19th at 5:18PM EST (link)If WND can collect money and put up billboards then Redstate can too.
Start a fund and we’ll contribute. Then let’s put Stephanopoulos, Lauer, Couric (she deserves for her award winning interview of Palin) on those billboards and start asking them why they don’t you know—-do journalism anymore.
Or YOU LIE.
Or “Biased, Dishonest and Liberal”.
We have to force them out on their bias. So many great sites play defense. It just doesn’t work. They go on the air, everyday, saying anything they want. 100% of the time smearing us. 100% of the time cheerleading for the Won.
And without any repercussions. Let’s embarrass them out in public, in the open. Online just isn’t enough. On American highways—-or near an unemployment office would do it.
“A lot of briefing for a 2 hr. special with Dan Rather. Saw the show & wonder why we bothered”. –Ronald Reagan, The Reagan Diaries (January 27, 1982)
Look it up
bobmontgomery (Diary) Thursday, August 19th at 5:51PM EST (link)The political editor of the Post told the former WAPO ombudsman they didn’t cover these things because “We had a larger purpose.”
Their argument was that O’s election was sooo historic, sooo unique, so monumental, et cetera that they had to cover that aspect of it to the detriment of policy, vetting, fact-finding, etc. My argument is that because of the historic nature of it, they had a duty to cover everything, every possible angle, every background story, every nuance, every wart, all of it.
If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.
George Washington
You really need look no further than, say,
romeg Thursday, August 19th at 6:00PM EST (link)Bloomberg’s Margaret Carlson:
“How can President Barack Obama be so right about the mosque and yet get it so wrong?”
She answers her own question:
“Here’s how: He is so supremely confident in his intellect that he forgets, on his way to the correct decision, to slow down and pick up not-so-gifted stragglers”.
IOW, she mistakes his Narcissistic arrogance for god-like brilliance and thinks that the rest of us are mere mortal schlubs, stragglers, to use her word.
Did I hear someone mutter something about disdain?
“Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” – C. S. Lewis
Good grief.
itrytobenice (Diary) Thursday, August 19th at 9:47PM EST (link)“not so gifted stragglers”?!? Have you ever seen a more striking example of their superiority complex?
Proper grammar saves lives.
Let’s eat Grandma.
Let’s eat, Grandma.
Harry, I have a gift.
Common_Cents (Diary) Friday, August 20th at 10:08AM EST (link)That quote says it all.
Obama=Golfer in Chief, Leading from,
behind, the Back Nine.Leaders don’t create movements. Movements create leaders. Get involved. Your future depends on it.
Govt “invests” YOUR tax money for POLITICAL return rather than economic return.
His only claim to Christianity is Trinity United
callawyn (Diary) Thursday, August 19th at 6:10PM EST (link)Trinity United does NOT preach Christianity. Jeremiah Wright and his fellows, and their visiting ‘pastors’, preach 1) Hatred of America 2) Hatred of Whites 3) Marxist Social Theory (under the guise of Black Liberation Theology).
They’ll occasionally toss in a non-specific claim that the Bible supports that hate-filled rants (of the “its in the Bible” variety, without bothering to quote chapter and verse).
This is not Christianity. Has nothing whatsoever to do with it.
Is he a Muslim? Who knows, personally I think probably not though he clearly has strong sympathies. He grew up in a Muslim school in Indonesia and has tremendous respect for the religion but I’ve seen nothing to suggest he seriously adopted the religion.
Not being a Muslim, however, does not make him a Christian. Not only is he not a Christian but he has never shown any respect for Christianity.
Would have been nice if the “MSM” had bothered to look into his past BEFORE the election. People should have known who he was and what he stood for before going to the ballot box. Instead they were told a pack of lies, and too many believed them.
Hard to be a good communist and a good Muslim,
Achance (Diary) Thursday, August 19th at 6:31PM EST (link)and he’s far more the communist, though his Muslim upbringing makes him share some of their sensibilities particulary as that relates to the Christian, capitalist West.
In Vino Veritas
Obama is neither Christian nor Muslim
indyjohn Friday, August 20th at 9:44AM EST (link)He belongs to Our Lady of Perpetual Indignation, which is a member of the Universalist United Secular Humanist Churches. This religion, which its members deny is a religion, does not require its adherents to actually attend regular services (that would be too traditionalist). It merely requires believers to make frequent, public statements of faith: that Big Government is divine, that Political Correctness rules their lives, that White America specifically and the West in general are guilty of horrific sins that must be expiated through large transfers of cash, that authoritarian dogmas of the Third World must be advanced while liberty-enhancing concepts of the Enlightenment must be suppressed, that free choice and capitalism are destroying the planet, and that only members of the Universalist United Secular Humanist Churches are worthy to rule (oops, sorry) lead the benighted masses.
But what is liberty without wisdom, and without virtue? It is the greatest of all possible evils; for it is folly, vice, and madness, without tuition or restraint.
Edmund Burke
I know plenty of "good catholics"
mdd1956 Friday, August 20th at 10:58AM EST (link)who are all for “Social Justice”, the wife and I hardly go to church (Catholic), and when we do we see so many BHO bumper stickers, we get turned off.
We can’t understand it, probably need to change churches.
We don’t really understand why so many Jews vote Democrat either.
best statement on the issue I've seen
Vassar Bushmills (Diary) Thursday, August 19th at 6:28PM EST (link)…and I’ve looked around
VB
It's Really Far, Far Worse Than Imagined
teapartyamerican Thursday, August 19th at 6:31PM EST (link)As The Messiah of the Lunatic-Left, does “You Lie!” hussein pray to himself?
What could be worse than a radical islamic muslim extremist – here’s what: Thanks to “uncle” jeremiah “GDA” wright, the true nature of hussein was revealed. For nearly twenty years hussein was the disciple and avid follower and supporter of this racial bigot. hussein has publicly praised wright on numerous occasions. hussein gave wright’s church $26,000 in 2007, plus many thousands more previously. wright’s vile, bigoted harangues against America, in general, and white Americans, in particular, illustrate the true foundation of hussein and the “church” of which he was a devout member, which is clearly a bastion of racial hatred, bigotry and un-Christian behavior.
As hussein said: “I could no more disown him [wright] than I could disown my … grandmother.”
You mean, that 'typical white person'?
callawyn (Diary) Thursday, August 19th at 6:43PM EST (link)Interesting comment from O, there are numerous examples of his trying to disown his heritage from his mother’s side, which raised him, while gravitating to his father’s legacy (who abandoned him). I’ll merely point out the report on his response on the census: checked “African-American”, as if he didn’t have a white mother from Kansas.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/apr/30/checked-box-offers-window-into-obamas-views-on-rac/
During the campaign, the cynical opportunist in chief did in fact throw Wright under the bus, though he delayed as long as he could despite the tremendous pressure for him to distance himself. Of course, he had to do this to win the campaign, and it shouldn’t be taken as any indication of his true beliefs or feelings.
In his case it was the correct response.
realskinny (Diary) Friday, August 20th at 1:04PM EST (link)His mother was American and his father was African. Can’t get much more African-American than that.
Remember the interview with George Stephy?
SusanAnne Hiller (Diary) Thursday, August 19th at 6:47PM EST (link)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMUgNg7aD8M
Obama states “My Muslim faith.”
Sounds like the truth to me.
~SusanAnne
@susanannehiller on Twitter
Perfectly understandable.
itrytobenice (Diary) Thursday, August 19th at 9:48PM EST (link)I keep making that mistake myself.
/snark
Proper grammar saves lives.
Let’s eat Grandma.
Let’s eat, Grandma.
No excuse, no free pass:
jisaacconnett Thursday, August 19th at 6:51PM EST (link)We all had enough information about Obama well before the election to make an informed decision about whether or not to vote for him. Claiming ignorance and lack of information about him now is just a silly excuse at best and a bald faced lie at the worst. There was a lot of information out there for those who wanted it. The fact is that a big majority of the electorate did not care one wit that Obama was the worst excuse for a presidential candidate in the history of the United States. They voted for him in spite of all his flaws, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind that they wished for. Suck it up and live with it, but please, no crocodile tears. My response is just Rhett Butler’s last line.
reading comprehension is your friend
streiff (Diary) Thursday, August 19th at 7:08PM EST (link)I’m going to give you a chance to revise and extend your remarks after taking advantage of that useful skill. I don’t think you want to burn down a 1 month 26 day membership to the site just to prove you can be a jerk who is incapable of reading.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
try... see if it is still up
sta46 Thursday, August 19th at 7:43PM EST (link)http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28
Obama has no strongly held religious beliefs
Scope (Diary) Thursday, August 19th at 8:18PM EST (link)for any religion. Obama speaks to the audience that is before him. His speech at the Ramadan dinner at the White House was most likely a fundraiser, more than any thing else.
Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Marx and Slobodan Milosevic were all deemed to be Atheists. I completely agree with Achance, he is more likely an avowed Communist, before he is anything else. Hence the decline in choosing of any church to attend in DC. It ain’t about any disruption for the congregation, it’s about the lack of desire to turn against him with donations. Rev. Wright, in Chicago portrayed Black people as victims. That resonates with every appointment he has made in DC. Holder shares his belief that the only way to redistribute wealth, is that you have to have victims to to claim that you are redistributing it to. They are no more for the Black people than the man in the moon. They are about power, but, more importantly, they are about amassing wealth to keep them, the Progressive Ruling Class in power. Have any of you noticed that every single thing about Obama is about money, money, money. It ain’t just about funding Moochelle’s high dollar vacations.
Obama is nothing more than a child that has been promised the moon in exchange for his pretty face, cult like speaking abilities, and promise to keep the message alive. He has served his purpose, but, he cannot keep that gig up forever. Most Robots break down when their batteries wear out, and, they aren’t the energizer bunny batteries. 6 vacations just this year? Basketball, Golf, WH concerts, expensive frequent vacations, $750. dollar sneakers for Moochelle to visit a soup kitchen, he and Moochelle closing down roads, streets, towns when the anointed ones are there, the Neuveau Riche (sp) on steriods, but, hey, they have been elevated to the jetsetter crowd. Rev Wright surely should be saying now, more than ever, the Chickens have come home to roost.
The MSM has so many young and dumbs working for them. They all came from the other Progressive agenda’s educational propagandists. What else can you expect. That ain’t changing any time soon. Honest Journalism went by the wayside long ago, possibly with the Conkrite Vietnam War propaganda, promoted by the LBJ New New Real Deal. I’ve come to hate the term “deals.”
Right Scope, America is only confused b/c the 0 is confused./nt/
cactusjack Thursday, August 19th at 9:46PM EST (link)The MSM is Racist against Muslims
katnandu Thursday, August 19th at 8:38PM EST (link)I find two things very strange this week. First the MSM is fixated on convincing us that President Obama LOVES Jesus. Wow that’s funny!
Second….Some Americans believe that President Obama may be a Muslim. He made that big speech in Cairo, He has spoken about his education in a Muslim school in Indonesia, he has asked NASA to make their primary outreach to the Muslim community,..etc. Some Americans may believe he has a Muslim heritage. Why is that a horrific thing to the MSM. Do they think being a Muslim is a bad thing. I’m so confused this week!
The MSM/Left's positions are not based on reason and logic - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, August 19th at 9:43PM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
Another Obama religion
1stRichard (Diary) Thursday, August 19th at 9:37PM EST (link)The lame stream media ignored this one and much of the information was changed or deleted….
On Obamas early church you can see that they refer to it as Developing Communities Project (DCP) as church based and it was not, it was one of those fringe faith based I need a tax exemption screw the system profiteering companies. On DCP.INC web site as of 10/9/2008 it reads – Developing Communities Project (DCP) is a faith-based grassroots organization organizing and advocating for social change in the Greater Roseland Community. The program involved helping residents of poorest neighborhoods, mostly African Americans including the Altgeld Gardens public-housing project. Seemingly a noteworthy, feed the poor with more and more until they were completely dependent on this socialist system.
Faith in the socialist system is not a church, this deserves more attention and research
Naturally, the msm
Return to Revolution (Diary) Thursday, August 19th at 10:06PM EST (link)blames, “internet spread rumors” for people believing he is muslim. However, OBAMA is the one responsible for perpetuating that belief.
He talks endlessly and fondly of Islam but never Christianity. When Rev Wright surfaced, he quit membership with that church, never joined another. He and family did spend lots of time selecting their dog as he makes a point to avoid all things related to Christianity.
See the youtube video – nevermind if it is “proof” that he is muslim – but it is proof that he adores Islam.
http://bit.ly/cyEVss
Out of hand Constitutional fetishist
Taqiyya
arnd Friday, August 20th at 1:58AM EST (link)…is something that will probably be ignored by the corporate media, but it is an interesting concept.
The concept of “Taqiyya” or dissimulation of one’s faith, as some Shi’as do in Sunni countries, should have come up in discussions long ago in relation to Obama.
To anwer the question in you subtitle:
davesinsanantonio (Diary) Friday, August 20th at 6:20AM EST (link)Yes, cynical opportunism is the religion of the Left. The state is its god. “The end justifies the means” is its doctrine. To them Heaven is having power within the all-controlling government. Their prophets are Marx, Cloward and Pivin, and Alinsky. Their basic belief is that they are “entitled”, And the deadliest sin is losing “street cred”.
I don't doubt he's a Christian...
John (Diary) Friday, August 20th at 6:40AM EST (link)…any more than I doubt I’m a Christian. My (Christian) parents traveled with me when I was young, and we went to Jewish, Hindu, and Muslim places of worship (Israel, India, and Turkey, respectively). I thought I was Jewish when I was young because so many of my friends were (my parents very quickly corrected that).
I’m also quiet about my faith.
“Christian contentment is that sweet, inward, quiet, gracious frame of spirit, which freely submits to and delights in God’s wise and fatherly disposal in every condition.”
–Jeremiah Burroughs, ca. early-mid 1600′s Puritan preacher
Don’t get me wrong, I definitely understand why people think he might be Muslim, or at least not a true Christian (especially w.r.t. his “my Muslim faith” gaffe and the ‘typo’ on his school registration form, not to mention the whole Wright fiasco and his being pro-’choice’). I just don’t see him acting Muslim. It seems like he’s genuinely trying to help (sometimes), but he’s just doing it in a big-government, capital-D Democrat way. Not like it’s helping.
“I never thought Berke Breathed had talent, so he was probably forced to quit.” –Donald Trump
-=Oppose the Ground Zero Mosque!!=-
“A tragic situation exists precisely when virtue does not triumph but when it is still felt that man is nobler than the forces which destroy him.”
–George Orwell
Obama is no Christian, except when expedient for political gain
RedBeard Friday, August 20th at 8:14AM EST (link)And I doubt he could ever be considered a true Muslim. Although, it would be entertaining to watch him try to put a burqa on Michelle and force her to walk behind him. The Muslim-like nature of the man comes from a thoroughly disfunctional childhood which left him reeling in confusion, not knowing who he really was. Now, as an adult, refusing to learn anything, he has failed to correct his course, and is blind to the threat of Islam. He is nothing any better than a useful idiot for Sharia incrementalism and worse.
Obama’s one true religion might best be called Narcissistic Marxism. He, of course, is the inerrant head of that church, and the font of all wisdom.
Nice going, Obama voters. Thanks for electing a defective and damaged man to the highest office in the land. Feeling all warm and cozy these days?
Standard-bearer for grouchy curmudgeonry since, oh, 1975 or so.
He Has No Strongly Held Religious Beliefs?
1689 Friday, August 20th at 8:16AM EST (link)Here is my collection of all the evidence that says he does and that it’s Islam:
He hasn’t publicly attended any Christian service since quitting Rev. Wright’s hate-filled church;
covered up Christian symbols at a speech at Georgetown;
said the evening call of the faithful was the most beautiful sound on earth;
hosts Ramadan at the White House;
offered no Easter prayer or offeratory statement on the White House website, whereas Ramadan had both (closing with “may God’s peace be upon you”)
“gave a lengthy and sympathetic speech to Muslims at a prayer dinner for Ramadan and pretty much ignored the National Day of Prayer,” (from this website)
bowed deeply to the King of Saudi Arabia, guardian of the holy cities of Mecca, Medina, but not Queen Elizabeth;
first supported the Victory Mosque, but then dissembled when it became politically inconvenient to go with the truth;
and he said in Cairo “Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance,” and repeatedly quoted the “Holy Koran.”
His father & step-father were muslim and he was raised muslim (his dad enrolled him in a Madrassa).
The apology tour saying how great Islam is with its math achievements. (Western Civilization couldn’t have gone to the moon, sequenced genes, built the internet, nuke reactors, or the Space Station, if it weren’t for those ancient math theorems).
The government is defending in a Federal Court in Michigan the sharia compliant finance program of AIG (the insurance giant taken over, now owned by the taxpayers). Andy McCarthy, National Review.
The government is funding the rebuilding over overseas Mosques. Washington Times article, yesterday. “The ‘Kizimkazi Mosque,’ …[and] the ‘Amr Ebn El Aas Mosque in Cairo’…”
Michelle’s vacation in Adalsusa Spain, the site of one of Islam’s greatest conquests.
The evidence is frightening since it appears that Islam, to most of its leaders, is a totalitarian political system to which all must submit or die, and which teaches that lying to non-believers is ok.
I don't believe a word anyone says about him.
stephaniet Friday, August 20th at 8:50AM EST (link)Also, the media doesn’t understand the difference between Biblical Christianity and religions based on what you *do* for your salvation. If ‘Bozo were a true, Biblical Christian, he would not try so hard to undermine the nation’s heritage and roots. He would not support the destruction of the traditional family unit; he would not support the slaughter of unborn children; he would not get up in front of the world and declare “America is no longer a Christian nation.” He would not try to sell us out to Islam, either.
Saw on the news today this statement: “He has deep Christian faith, but he doesn’t wear it on his sleeve.” IF HE WERE a true, Biblical Christian, it should shine through even when he wasn’t trying. That would be the power of Jesus Christ changing his life. There are things I look for to determine if someone means what they say when they declare to be Christian, and I have seen none of those evidences on this… person. No, he’s a liar. He’s no Christian–just in name only.
“*They* say the best weapon is one you never have to fire. I respectfully disagree. I *prefer* the weapon you only have to fire *once*. That’s how Dad did it; that’s how America does it… and it’s worked out pretty well so far.”
George Bush, through his actions,
indyjohn Friday, August 20th at 10:06AM EST (link)made it obvious to all that he was a true Christian gentleman. Humility, a willingness to turn the other cheek, genuine concern for the welfare of others, and a calmness and resolve in the face of adversity were the hallmarks of his Presidency. Contrast this behavior with Obama’s – the arrogance, the petulant lashing-out at opponents, a disregard for the suffering of others (even within his own family), and of course his when-the-going-gets-tough-I-go-on-vacation attitude.
But what is liberty without wisdom, and without virtue? It is the greatest of all possible evils; for it is folly, vice, and madness, without tuition or restraint.
Edmund Burke
I like that: When the going gets tough, I go on vacation.
gekster (Diary) Friday, August 20th at 10:25AM EST (link)They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved
Why does it matter?
wahrheit Friday, August 20th at 10:03AM EST (link)Could someone please gently explain to me why it matters what religion a person believes in or not?
If it mattered, I would have thought that the Constitution would have had something to say about it, like, if you’re not Church of (non)-England, then you have fewer rights. Or that if you were not Baptist, then you should be considered of lesser qualification to hold public office.
However you want to look at the Constitution’s 1st amendment, I can’t for the life of me understand why America, with this pretty good document for governing, stands out as the Western liberal democracy that is most obsessed with religion.
Hi! I’m a retread of truthandbeauty! I like being banned! It makes me feel like I am not alone in an uncaring and hostile universe!
Oh, Look! A 'Concern' Troll!! (nt)
IJB Friday, August 20th at 10:06AM EST (link)Yeah, and one who thinks the Clinton impeachment was about sex.
acat (Diary) Friday, August 20th at 10:18AM EST (link)Hint – lies matter.
Mew
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“All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost”. –Tolkein
Somehow, I get the idea that wahrheit doesn't really want the answer
RedBeard Friday, August 20th at 12:12PM EST (link)The question posted was, “Could someone please gently explain to me why it matters what religion a person believes in or not?” This question is either a failed attempt at sarcasm or an indicator of someone who is not paying the slightest bit of attention to the issues.
Standard-bearer for grouchy curmudgeonry since, oh, 1975 or so.
The media use to report the News
ihateliberals Friday, August 20th at 3:21PM EST (link)now they are the News. they create news from nothing sometimes. The Media hate Republican’s especially conservatives like Ronald Reagan. The problem with conservatives is that once they get going things get better and there is no News in Good News. The media thrives on chaos. The more critical the situation the more News they have and the more people watch, read or listen to them. When there is good news like a jobless rate of 1.5% and new homes are selling etc, etc. there is nothing for the media to do to draw people in to listen to them. They loved the hole in the gulf leaking oil. they loved the Haiti earthquake. They love the Charlie Tangles, Waters and other Dems in trouble. They love the failures of Obama. They love it when Obama promises an 8% unemployment rate that turns out to be 10%. They loved Obamacare. I can go on and on about the liberal Dems and teir failures. That’s why the media loves the Dems.
He lies about everything
azmar Friday, August 20th at 3:54PM EST (link)He lies- everyone knows it- so why does any rational person believe anything he says?
Just a brief recap of a few more prominent lies:
1) sat in Chicago church 20 years but never heard Rev. Wright spouting Marxism and hatred of US
“don’t want to run a car company”
2) terrorist Bill Ayers was “just a guy in the neighborhood”
3) stimulus would solve all problems
4) health care- would be better care and lower costs, negotiations would be open and on CSpan.
5) You can keep your present doctor and coverage if you want.
6) “saved or created millions of jobs”
7) most transparent administration ever
So why believe him when he says he’s a Christian but his every word and action is sympathetic to Islam?
True faith in Christ shines through a person’s life- by their fruit you shall know them
He says he’s never been a Muslim, but his sister said “my whole family was Muslim” and his enrollment at elementary school in Indonesia shows his citizenship as Indonesian and religion as Islam. From his ‘Audacity’ book: ‘I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.’
Why believe him when he says he was born in Hawaii, when he refuses to produce a valid, long form, original birth certificate and spends over $1 million in legal fees to hide all records of his life?
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Judge Not............
llou25 Friday, August 20th at 4:23PM EST (link)To pass judgement on another person, any person, is the opposite of what Christ taugh us to do. If we are to hold anyone’s faith up to a spotlight, let it be our own, also as Christians have been taught.
For those who think Obama is a Muslim…………do you really think a Muslim man could marry a Christian woman, in a ceremony performed by a Christian minister in a Christian church? If so, you know nothing about Islam.
As for the ……….”I will stand with the Muslims…………” remark. This has been bandied about in the media, taken out of context, when in fact, this is a statement made in answer to the hate filled backlash made against some Muslim families and businesses in the aftermath of 9/11. At that time many innocent, peaceful and long standing members of the community experienced vandalizim, death threats, etc. I think any decent person would have made the same statement, especially Christians who follow the teachings of He who cautioned us to love one another and to do good unto others.
just to be clear
streiff (Diary) Saturday, August 21st at 6:40PM EST (link)your theological kung fu really sucks leading one to believe you’ve confused the Gospels with a self-help video.
The alleged threats to muslims post 9/11 were grotesquely exaggerated and, in the context of 9/11, meaningless.
None of this really has anything to do with the story but it seems like your reading comprehension kung fu sucks just as bad as your theology.
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