Reading our site here and the right-leaning blogosphere there is a lot of anxiety out there about the 2010 decennial census.
During the 2000 decennial I was an employee of the Census Bureau, I don’t put that out as a boast or qualification but rather in the interests of full disclosure, and I’d like to give you my perspective.
The census is required by the Constitution. If fact, if one is a supporter of originalism it is actually one of the few domestic functions of the federal government extant today that is required. It’s purpose is to ensure the mathematical integrity of the House of Representatives and prevent the United States from being infested with a system of rotten boroughs and unrepresented cities which was common in England at the time.
Now a strong case can be made that the Census long form is very intrusive. It its defense one can only point out that a) every question asked is required by federal law to be asked, b) everyone in the Census Bureau knows that the long form is too long, and c) we’ve been on this glide path ever since the Census started asking the names of members of households, their ages, occupations, and places of birth in 1850. One also has to point out that governments at all levels make decisions about schools, hospitals, representation, roads, zoning, land use, etc. based on the federal census. The fact that you don’t like some of those programs or uses of census data is really not germane, the question is do you want those programs to operate based on good information or not-so-good information.
Having said that, there is no legal requirement that you be participate. US Marshals are not going to show up and take you away to be waterboarded if you refuse to participate. If you chose not to, eventually a low-paid, temporarily employed, human enumerator will show up at your house to chat with you. If you turn them away they’ll ask your neighbors the questions about your household that you refuse to answer. So while you have the choice to not cooperate you really don’t have the choice of not being enumerated. It is for that reason that while I am philosophically in tune with the whole declare-your-race-as-American idea (other than the fact that American is a nationality not a race), I think it is doomed to be crushed by the process of physical interviews of households and their neighbors.
Everyone has to use their own prudential judgment in deciding whether or not they will cooperate with the Census. But as you are making that decision you have to decide for yourself how not cooperating moves our cause forward one whit.
There you have it. I confess. I’m a big government squish. I’m a fan of the Census Bureau. I can’t imagine how a developed society functions without a regular census (if you use MapQuest or have a GPS device in your car you also need to think about who actually keeps that underlying database of addresses linked to GPS grid coordinates up to date). My family will participate and do so apologetically. Your choice is yours.
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I'd encourage people to give accurate counts
Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 11:55AM EST (link)Beyond that I’m not a fan.
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You did vote for Carter.
Erick Erickson (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 12:01PM EST (link)Who will stand on either hand and keep this bridge with me?Follow @EWErickson
indeed
streiff (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 12:03PM EST (link)I did indeed vote for Carter and I voted for GHW Bush in the 1980 presidential primary. All of this is why I acknowledge my rather flaccid conservative credentials up front.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
I don't fear the census taking, I fear the "counting."
Achance (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 12:06PM EST (link)Unfortunately, some will refuse to cooperate and there will be protests, protests that will be amplified and distorted by the MSM. Then Comrade Obama will claim that they can’t get an accurate count because of non-cooperation and they’ll probably throw in something about Republican suppressing the count in the cities, so they’ll have to use statistical methods to make sure “everyone” is counted. Then they’ll just make it up.
In Vino Veritas
Achance, you know the government all too well..
Old_Crow (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 12:15PM EST (link)I’m sure we will see some ‘statistical smoothing’ or other such nonsense that ensures the desired outcome of the Obama administration is achieved.
For elections: It’s not the voting, it’s the counting.
Same with the Census.
“Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm.” — James Madison
I've seen this movie
ss396 Wednesday, March 10th at 12:39PM EST (link)Statistical manipulation and all. Sort of what was done to accomplish the AGW ‘hockey stick’, no?
Always remember Flannigan’s Finagling Factor: “That quantity that when added to, subtracted from, multiplied by, or divided into the answer you got gives you the answer that you should have gotten.”
If you pay someone to sit on his butt, you can’t be surprised when he does.
Flanningan's Finagling Factor...
qsclues (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 2:01PM EST (link)We had this in my chemistry classes, too, except that it was known as “Kelly’s Constant”, i.e. the number by which you multiply your lab results to get something close to the theoretically correct answer.
Main Entry: rac·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi-\
Function: noun
Date: 1933
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
3 : term used by a liberal to concede an argument
depends
streiff (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 1:58PM EST (link)they can use statistical adjustments of the Census numbers for any purpose except reapportionment. For reapportionment they have to use actual enumeration.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
True, but
Finrod (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 9:36PM EST (link)Since when has this current government considered itself to be bound by the law?
Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?
I support the Census
Christine (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 12:13PM EST (link)I have no issue with names, ages, occupations, etc. I mean, if the Census hadn’t done that for years my father wouldn’t have found information about our family that got lost when an ancestor ran away from home as a child and never returned or reconnected. It has its merits, absolutely.
That said, I am seriously considering the “Question 9 – Other/American” idea promoted by a number of people. I don’t know about some of the other questions…I guess I’ll just make a judgement when I get it.
The primary process is FLAWED. Two states should not decide our candidate.
“I would be a poor Commander in Chief”
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I support a person's right to get lost and stay lost
DamnCat Wednesday, March 10th at 12:27PM EST (link)Why should the census, or the government as a whole, help track down long lost relatives?
let me give you an example
streiff (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 1:22PM EST (link)my grandfather was born in 1908 in southern West Virginia. He didn’t have a birth certificate. Ever.
When it came time for him to retire and apply for social security he couldn’t prove his age. However, thanks to the Census Bureau enumerating ever member of his father’s family in the 1910 Census they were able to confirm a 2 year old boy (with no name, because it wasn’t unusual for families to wait a while to name a kid because of the high infant mortality rate) living in the household. Based on that, the Social Security Administration approved his application.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
Didn't they ask his age when he signed up for SS?
DamnCat Wednesday, March 10th at 2:27PM EST (link)I know they asked mine.
yes
streiff (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 2:31PM EST (link)they asked his age but he needed to prove his age. He couldn’t.
http://www.socialsecurity.gov/retire2/applying5.htm
Are you saying they accepted your application without any documentation?
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
No - are you saying that the Census is the only way of authenticating a person's age?
DamnCat Wednesday, March 10th at 2:49PM EST (link)Before you say yes please enumeratre all the sources you attempted – school records, hospital records, church records, draft board,…etc.
None of those
streiff (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 3:01PM EST (link)records are documentary evidence of live birth and I’d hope you’d know.
I really don’t care to argue with someone who is profoundly ignorant about so much and willfully obtuse about the remainder.
You’ve registered your objections to the participating in the census but I’m not going to be hazed by you on a subject you know nothing about.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
Nor is is documentary evidence of live birth...
DamnCat Wednesday, March 10th at 3:32PM EST (link)…to claim that you are the un-named child of some familiy listed in the census.
that's it
streiff (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 3:35PM EST (link)I don’t mind disagreement. I won’t tolerate asshats. Go mess with someone else.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
That's why your grandfather never ran for President?
CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 2:42PM EST (link)Seriously though streiff, I do appreciate the civil objectivity of your post. (But maybe that’s ’cause I voted for Carter too…)
Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)
soli Deo gloria
that
streiff (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 2:46PM EST (link)and the moonshining…
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
Genealogy
fideist Wednesday, March 10th at 12:45PM EST (link)My feelings have been similar. My hobby is genealogy, and the census is the first record we go to for starting research. Census records are released to the public seventy-two years after their completion. So in 2002 we got access to the 1930 census, and in 2012, genealogists will have access to the 1940 census records. I wish my ancestors had done long forms, so I could know more about their lives. I will gladly fill out a long form, because in 2082, long after I am dead, maybe my descendants will be researching me.
Census participation for genealogy
Paige Dulli (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 1:33PM EST (link)I agree. And don’t forget to photocopy your completed form and put it in your genealogy records for future generations. Seventy-two years is a long time to wait!
Gee, I'm so glad it's helping your hobby
DamnCat Wednesday, March 10th at 2:31PM EST (link)You’re right – everyone should be compelled to answer a lot of intrusive questions if it make’s your passtime more enjoyable.
Sheeesh!
55555
Scope (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 2:50PM EST (link)That’s the worst excuse I have ever heard for supporting giving the federal government info they have no right to ask for. There’s always basket-weaving if the long lost are never found.
For the record
Christine (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 3:52PM EST (link)I’m not in support of the invasive questions. My race is NOYB, nor anything about my personal life. I mentioned occupation in my previous post but on reflection I can see that being over the line.
I see the arguments against it and I do not discount them. That said, I hate that we’re to the point in our society where we can’t trust the government with our names and ages.
The primary process is FLAWED. Two states should not decide our candidate.
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This is great news! So in 2082, we can actually
Tbone (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 3:08PM EST (link)find out where Obama was born. LOL
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
This is great news! So in 2082, .....
rwlungren Wednesday, March 10th at 5:41PM EST (link)Since ‘HE’ was born in 1961, ‘HE’ would first appear in the 1970 Census which is tentatively scheduled for release in 2042, I believe. Their is no guarantee that ‘HIS’ parents filled out the Census form.
just sayin..
So, when does the '61 Kenyan census data
Tbone (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 6:03PM EST (link)get released?
just askin’
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
Too much to ask, O is a pod person
renny (Diary) Thursday, March 11th at 8:19PM EST (link)and was never born anywhere. He’s a pod person. Just look at his neck when he’s really into his teleprompter. If that doesn’t look like a stalk of asparagus walking, I’ll eat one of the icky sticks.
this is valuable & encouraging
Veronica (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 12:30PM EST (link)I have a lot of worried friends.
ty.
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I had the long form last time around
skey (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 12:48PM EST (link)and I have to say that a large percentage of the questions were pretty darn offensive. So for me, I pretty much answered the first page and refused everything else.
” The fact that you don’t like some of those programs or uses of census data is really not germane, the question is do you want those programs to operate based on good information or not-so-good information.”
I don’t want them to operate at all, and operating on bad information is more likely to make them go away or not increase in size quite as fast than good information.
like I said
streiff (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 1:23PM EST (link)we all have to use our prudential judgment in these matters.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
The problem with "not-so-good"
eastbaylarry (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 2:18PM EST (link)is it leaves the progressives more flexibility in rewarding their ‘friends’ with handouts that are supposed to be distributed evenly.
They will anyway, it just makes it easier.
2+2=4 dammit!
There's worse things--Joseph and Mary had a long trek back to the homestead
CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 12:54PM EST (link)and I don’t remember reading that they complained about it. There is a delicious, only-in-America irony in hearing people, after griping that they have been undercounted when marching along Constituition Ave., plotting to become uncounted when in their living rooms!
Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)
soli Deo gloria
They can count me...
tdpwells Wednesday, March 10th at 1:03PM EST (link)and I don’t care about that – it’s the only question I’m answering, though. How much money I make in a year has nothing to do with my being counted either in my living room or on Constitution Avenue.
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you're talking about Hispanics, right?
Veronica (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 1:13PM EST (link)undocumented ppl, maybe?
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No, that wasn't what I was thinking
CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 1:45PM EST (link)Rather it was the peculiar political species which wants to be sure the government is constantly aware of its existence, yet curiously enters hibernation once every decade just when the existence-verifiers come around!
Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)
soli Deo gloria
sounds like illegals to me, but ok. /nt
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Not at all
CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 3:07PM EST (link)It was the trans-ethnic, trans-party, ever-endearing “lea’ me ‘lone, but shut up and listen to everything I say” personality type I had in mind.
Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)
soli Deo gloria
"...and I don’t remember reading that they complained about it. "
DamnCat Wednesday, March 10th at 2:35PM EST (link)Made it easy for Herod to find all those babies to kill too.
wow. excellent! 5!!! /nt
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I somehow doubt they were scrolling down through an XL sheet at the time -nt-
CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 2:52PM EST (link)Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)
soli Deo gloria
very enlightening post
tngal (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 12:55PM EST (link)The last couple of times we’ve had one our mayor decided our city was undercounted and screamed for a recount. That cost money, so he charged an extra buck on our utility bill to cover the cost (promising all these lost souls would be found and we would get extra tax dollars.) By the time the recount was done, we had even less people than the first count.
census
erp617 Wednesday, March 10th at 12:58PM EST (link)I agree that a census every ten years is good and necessary. What I don’t agree with is that we should be divided into categories to enable the diversity/multiculti crowd’s mania for social engineering.
So we’ll follow the excellent advice here at NRO and on line #9 declare our race to be: American.
I considered that until
gazill Wednesday, March 10th at 1:30PM EST (link)I saw “Native American.” As I was born in America, I am surely a native american. My question is why the government needs to ask my phone number.
Obama’s America-the paucity of hope
so if you leave questions blank
streiff (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 1:48PM EST (link)they can call you. That’s all.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
assuming I don't make a mistake transcribing my phone number.
Old_Crow (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 5:25PM EST (link)Or block unknown callers.
“Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm.” — James Madison
Enumeration means counting, nothing more, and is both constitutionally mandated and valuable
RedBeard Wednesday, March 10th at 1:22PM EST (link)Anything beyond that simple count is unwarranted intrusion by a federal government run amok by passing laws not constitutionally authorized.
That same government seems quite enamored by the “right of privacy” that it used to help further the slaughter of the unborn. One might think that the holy “right of privacy” would logically extend to other areas of our lives. One would be wrong, however.
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Couldn't agree more.
baserunr (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 1:56PM EST (link)Although required by the Constitution, it is supposed to be to determine the apportionment of Representatives, nothing more. The insipid commercials that tout “Get your fair share” are insulting with their attempted pandering. As if only via the Omniscient Federal Census can local and state elected officials determine what’s important. I have no problem with enumeration. Beyond that, the census serves as both a pretext and excuse for all sorts of government chicanery.
“The day you think you know it all is the day your trouble starts.”
I commend your calm and well-balanced presentation on the census
civil truth (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 2:06PM EST (link)You’ve given rational reasons for cooperating with the census questions, so that people who decide differently are at least operating with facts rather than fact-free anxiety (or misinformation).
That said, each of will have to weigh to what extent we will participate.
One key barrier to cooperation, which you didn’t really address much (perhaps it seems obvious to you) is the issue of confidentiality – people (myself included) are worried that once in the hands of the government, this information will be available for disclosure to government agencies that may not, shall we say, have our best interests at heart.
Just how strong are the confidentiality protections against what we see as an overreaching executive branch? That is, how easily can the protections be breached?
Interestingly, you article identifies an irony that in part may explain the “undercount problem”. It is strong, close-knit communities where the census back-up measures you describe (neighbor interviews, etc) will be most effective – and these are where cooperation is likely to be highest anyway.
Conversely, in disrupted communities (such as many of our urban and inner city areas) where cooperation is much lower, the neighbor interviews will also be less effective as people will know less their neighbors or be reluctant to talk.
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agree on all points
streiff (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 2:16PM EST (link)Confidentiality is an issue. Historically the census has an excellent record of maintaining confidentiality. The only significant breach was in 1942 when the US government used the 1940 Census to assist in the round up of Americans born in Japan who were living on the West Coast,
The official line is here http://www.census.gov/privacy/data_protection/federal_law.html
The bottom line is that any system can be breached if some simply abrogates the rules. The question, it seems to me, is whether or not that we believe such an abrogation can be both large scale and secret and that the information could be damaging to you (the IRS knows your actual income, for instance, while the Census takes your word for it) if revealed.
I don’t believe Congress would ever repeal the confidentiality provisions of Title 13 and I don’t believe the bureaucrats at Census would cooperate in any breach of Title 13 without legal cover. YMMV.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
Most of the uses to which
realskinny (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 2:22PM EST (link)the long form is put are legitimate in they make planning and commerce more efficient. The information can easily be put to illegimate purposes however, so I’m with Strieff. Use your own judgement.
If those who live in deep blue districts were to not be counted it would reduce the weight of those districts in apportionment, Wouldn’t it? Possibly this is trying to be too clever.
My problem just ultimately comes down to the fact
Frozen_Man (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 2:30PM EST (link)that I rarely think that any additional government power is a good thing. It may not seem like a big deal and probably your right it never will be but I just would like the government to know as little about my personal life as possible. Government’s have abused their citizen’s throughout history and I don’t want the government being able to create groups and lists of whomever they want when ever they want. I don’t see most of the information as relevant and therefore am always suspect as to why they want it.
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fair enough
streiff (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 2:35PM EST (link)as I said we all need to exercise our prudential judgment on this issue.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
I hope that you are right and there no real concern
Frozen_Man (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 2:53PM EST (link)with giving out all the information that they request. I don’t consider myself a conspiracy theorist and was pleased to read your opinion and experience with the matter. It is always good to get a different perspective from your own, especially when you can respect that perspective.
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It's amazing
Scope (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 2:44PM EST (link)that so many conservatives are running on, or support freedom, liberty and less government, yet have no problem giving the currently Progressive Government much much more personal information than is authorized in the Constitution. For so very many, dreaming about a much smaller, and less intrusive federal government, why would you choose to participate in a form filled with questions, that would determine your area’s fair share of federal monies? I thought many of us supported getting rid of many unnecessary federal programs, and, leaving funding for the necessary programs, hospitals, schools, to the state’s discretion.
like I said
streiff (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 2:49PM EST (link)it is a matter of judgment. I respect your inclination to not participate and I will require, at least on this site, that you show me the same respect.
By the way, go back and read the post. States and localities are much larger users of census data than the federal government. The census is not about federal programs it is about information. The programs are going to exist with or without valid information.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
I did not know before reading your posts
Frozen_Man (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 2:56PM EST (link)how much of the information was used on a more local level. I guess if I would have thought about it I would have intuitively known it but that is still an interesting facet I had not considered
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streiff- There was nothing in my comment
Scope (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 3:27PM EST (link)that showed a disrespect for you. I referred to many, conservatives etc. I never referred to the diarist, the diary or you by name. I was speaking my opinion on what I consider the intrusion of the federal government where I don’t believe they belong. If I did not make that clear, I am sorry. Nothing I said was in reference to you. There are other similar sentiments expressed in comments above.
I worked the 2000 Census as well and really...
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 2:47PM EST (link)don’t be a JERK to the part-timer who shows up as your door or calls your house it really is unbecoming of any American who should see the Census for the only true thing left in the Constitution that gets done everything is violated and mistreated and made up but the Census ENSURES that WE get the correct amount of Legislators and with INSANE politicians today especially out of lefty states ie: CA & NY where they have LOST a ton of people it behooves the RIGHT to get as many as WE can
BTW I intend to answer #9 as American and I intend to ONLY do the short form as the rest of it is NOT the business of the Federal Government!
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I haven't seen any bad census workers around here
Richard Mullins (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 2:57PM EST (link)the ones here aren’t all that leftist but I keep getting phone calls for awhile. At least after filling this out, the calls will stop. Also, if North Harris County has more people, then we might be closer to having a Rep. in congress in the area and not also with Beaumont. BTW, if the unincorporated parts of Harris county were are city, it would be almost as big as Houston and be in the Top 10(US of course).
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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.
Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.
I wasn't talking about the Census workers....
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Thursday, March 11th at 8:06PM EST (link)being bad I was talking about all of these 9-11 truther types who SCREAM at you when you knock on their door or have the signs on their property that says they will kill you if you are a government worker and btw that would be the LEFTISTS
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Thanks, Streiff
aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 3:39PM EST (link)I can’t bring myself to say that I’m a fan of the Census, but I agree with you that it’s pretty much a necessity in a modern industrial state, is Constitutionally-mandated, and is generally useful for virtually any task undertaken by the government, regardless of whether you agree with that task or not.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
And like you mentioned
aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 3:49PM EST (link)It’s used more by state and local governments than the federal government, which means that the Census would, in many ways, be more useful for Federalists than for centralized statists.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
What determines your "race?"
saltlick Wednesday, March 10th at 3:55PM EST (link)Would Obama meet the census requirements if he entered “Caucasian?”
Seriously, would it be enough if he considered himself “Caucasian?”
you self report race according to the
streiff (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 3:59PM EST (link)permutations (there are 63 of them) laid out by the Office of Management and Budget. He could call himself anything he wanted to.
http://www.census.gov/population/www/socdemo/race/racefactcb.html
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
"He could call himself anything he wanted to."
saltlick Wednesday, March 10th at 4:07PM EST (link)Thanks, streiff.
I look as white as Chris Matthews, but I’m entering something along the lines of “multiracial.” Been doing it on state and federal forms for years now.
Other users of census data includes corporations
Michael M. Keohane (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 4:08PM EST (link)In planning for expansion of existing facilities, the building of new facilities and/or the shutting down of unneeded facilities, corporations rely on census data. While working for a private corporatrion, I used census data on various counties in New Jersey to develope the best location for a future plant site. While wotking on my MBA, I used census data as one of the factors in my multiple regression analysis to determine future sales. I will answer all the questions because the data, released without individual identification, is useful to business planners.
Do not classify the words or deeds of your opponents as being hatefull, malicious or criminal in nature if they can also be easily characterized as simple ignorance or gross stupidity. Anon.
Don't forget that unsung capitalist tool, MR
CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 4:18PM EST (link)Market Research sampling is heavily dependent on those “too-intrusive” categories of Census data for calibration. Of course it’s fine if you don’t want to answer those questions, but if “your” favorite brand–the one that’s “just right for people like you”–disappears from store shelves in your region without notice, are you really prepared to say “that’s all right, I’ll just take the good old generic ‘American’ kind”?
Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)
soli Deo gloria
I'm a capitalist and a free marketeer...
RedBeard Wednesday, March 10th at 4:32PM EST (link)…and yet, oddly enough, I don’t actually want the federal government gathering my market research data. As a matter of fact, I don’t want the federal government anywhere near my business. The government has done quite enough to “help” us throughout the years. We have survived despite, not because of, government “help.”
Standard-bearer for grouchy curmudgeonry since, oh, 1975 or so.
Damn you for your independance and free thinking!
kyle8 (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 4:36PM EST (link)Don’t you know that people like you are standing in the way of a socialist utopia!
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
I'm sorry
RedBeard Wednesday, March 10th at 9:10PM EST (link)I know I’ve been bad. Obama should send me to my room without my supper.
Standard-bearer for grouchy curmudgeonry since, oh, 1975 or so.
That does it--I always miss at the bottom of the thread--answer below -nt-
CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 4:44PM EST (link)Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)
soli Deo gloria
If you and your customers don't mind shelling out
CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Wednesday, March 10th at 4:43PM EST (link)for a base of N=10x “what everyone else is using” and hoping that you really got a random sample THIS time–well, that’s YOUR business!
Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)
soli Deo gloria
I think you're missing the larger point
RedBeard Wednesday, March 10th at 9:09PM EST (link)If the feds continue as they are, violating the clearly defined and limited powers of the Constitution, no business has an advantage over another by virtue of the census nosiness, since the data is available to all.
But if the feds retracted their grasp to a constitutional level, no business would have an advantage by virtue of census nosiness, since the lack of data would also be equal.
I’ll take the latter scenario. When in doubt, choose less government. Or just read the Constitution, and accept the small government it mandates.
Standard-bearer for grouchy curmudgeonry since, oh, 1975 or so.
Can we trust our government?
casca Wednesday, March 10th at 8:54PM EST (link)OUR GOVERNMENT LIES TO US ALL THE TIME.
According to U.S. Representative Ron Paul, “However, these promises can and have been abused in the past. Census data has been used to locate men who had not registered for the draft. Census data also was used to find Japanese-Americans for internment camps during World War II. Furthermore, the IRS has applied census information to detect alleged tax evaders. May be this is Homeland security stealth way of implementing US Census records, for using E-Verify data bases for ICE, to apprehend illegal aliens and deport them?
Surely you don't think this administration has any interest in deporting illegals (nt)
RedBeard Wednesday, March 10th at 9:12PM EST (link)Standard-bearer for grouchy curmudgeonry since, oh, 1975 or so.
Old news and all and they would never do anything like that again
RoguePolitics (Diary) Thursday, March 11th at 12:53PM EST (link)From “The Naked Consumer”
In 1864 Union General William Tecumseh Sherman concocted an
audacious plan–a full-force march from Atlanta to the sea, which
Civil War historian Bruce Catton called “the strangest, most
fateful campaign of the entire war.” Sherman set out not to
engage another army; but to destroy the Confederate economy and
to convey the message that the United States, in Sherman’s words,
“has the right, and also the physical power, to penetrate to
every part of the national domain, and that we will do it
… that we will remove and destroy every obstacle–if need be,
take every life, every acre of land, every particle of property,
everything that to us seems proper.” With the help of the census
office–it was not yet called a bureau–he made a pretty fair try
at fulfilling that promise.
He planned a fast, lean march. Doing so meant he would not be able to maintain conventional lines of supply; in those days
before helicopter gunships and Harrier jets, an army was only as
good as its ability to protect the roads, rivers, and railroads
down which it had already traveled. Sherman would have to live
off the countryside to a degree no Union or Confederate army had
done before.
From the start of the war, Census Superintendent Joseph C. G.Kennedy had been earnestly providing the war effort with maps and
census information on southern population and industry but had
sparked only limited interest. Sherman, however, saw in Kennedy’s
annotated maps the key to his campaign.
In practical effect Kennedy had provided Sherman with a kind of Mobil guide for the plunder of the Confederate countryside,
using data produced in more settled times by the very people
Sherman encountered along his route. He gave his troops explicit
orders to forage, a practice that until then was technically
against the law. The army’s mission included destroying mills,
cotton supplies, railroads, anything of economic or military
value. An Illinois sergeant wrote that his colleagues seemed “to
take savage delight in destroying everything that could by any
possibility be made use of by their enemies.”
After the campaign, Sherman dropped Kennedy a thank-you note: “The closing scene of our recent war demonstrated the, value of these statistical tables and facts, for there is a reasonable
probability that, without them, I would not have undertaken what
was done and what seemed a puzzle to the wisest and most
experienced soldiers of the world.”
“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell
“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers
When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry
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Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.
http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.
Since I do not agree the fed. gov't should be "returning" taxes
renny (Diary) Thursday, March 11th at 8:23PM EST (link)it should never have collected in the first place, I do not feel obliged to help the bureaucrats in charge of my life with determining how much my “community” is entitled to.
This is all Nixon’s fault, and something a Rep. should never have done. Nixon invented “revenue sharing” in that infamous year of 1972, and all it has ever done is increase state gov’t personnel rolls, blow up school administration hires, and inflate every local and state human resources file in the nation.
So maybe this means 1850
Flagstaff (Diary) Friday, March 12th at 6:17PM EST (link)is the year that the government began its long and intrusive invasion of our private lives.
It was about that time that the Federal government started becoming more important than the states and the Constitution.
“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964