The murder of thirteen US soldiers and the wounding of thirty others at Fort Hood, Texas, yesterday is an unprecedented even in the history of the US military. It marks the first time in the history of the republic that a commissioned officer in the Armed Forces has turned his weapon on American troops.
Probably the closest thing the US Army has experienced prior to this in its history occurred in July 1867 when Captain Thomas Custer, acting under orders from his brother, Lieutenant Colonel George Custer, tracked down three deserters, wounding two and killing one. Where Lieutenant William Calley and Captain John Compton participated in mass murders (347 Vietnamese civilians at My Lai on March 16, 1968 and 40 Italian prisoners of war at Biscari, Sicily on July 14, 1943, respectively) the victims were not their own troops.
The murderous rampage of Dr. Nidal Malik Hasan has entered the annals of military history as a unique betrayal of the traditional relationship between an officer — and a physician — and the men entrusted to his care by virtue of his rank.
Did it have to happen?
The past six years have been a watershed for the American military. It has demonstrated conclusively that it can match insurgents on the battlefield, develop civil infrastructure out of whole cloth, and recruit a volunteer force while embroiled in two wars. Unfortunately, it has also failed.
The virtue of the American military has always been its ability to take whatever manpower that was available and make from it a soldier (used here generically to describe a soldier, sailor, airman, or marine) loyal to the republic even when the individual loyalty of the individuals might have been nebulous. Confederate prisoners became “galvanized Yankees” on the frontier freeing up Federal troops to fight their own kinsmen. German immigrants fought in France in World War I and II. We are all familiar with the 442 Regimental Combat Team and the 100th Battalion formed from Japanese-Americans and their courageous service in Europe. Native Americans, with no great reason to love the American government, did love the Army and fought with as scouts, line infantrymen, and Code Talkers.
What has happened in the past 6 years is that assurance that the men in uniform were if not loyal Americans at least loyal to their comrades has been shattered.
The tip of the iceberg appeared in 1998 with the arrest of former Special Forces sergeant Ali Mohammed, a former major in the Egyptian army before immigrating to the United States and joining the US Special Warfare Center at Fort Bragg, NC.
In September 2004 SFC Abdullah Webster was sentenced to prison for refusing to deploy to Iraq. Testifying on behalf of Sergeant Webster was Air Force Chaplain (Captain) Hamza Al-Mubarak who claimed it was better for Webster to die than to fight fellow muslims.
In 2003 Army Chaplain (Captain) James Yee was arrested and charged with espionage and sedition based on his dealings with al-Qaeda prisoners at Guantanamo. He avoided court martial because the government was concerned with classified information that might come out at trial. His assistant, Airman Ahmad al-Halabi, was convicted by a court martial. Civilian translator Ahmed Fathy Mehalba, also stationed at Guantanamo, was arrested and convicted at the same time.
In 2004 Army Specialist Amir Abdul Rashid was arrested, and eventually sentenced to life in prison, for providing sensitive information to al-Qaeda.
In 2008 Navy Signalman Hassan Abu Jihaad was sentenced to ten years for divulging classified information to al-Qaeda.
And no one can forget that on March 23, 2003, the eve of our invasion of Iraq, Army Sergeant Hasan Karim Akbar tossed a hand grenade into the command post of 1st Brigade, 101st Airborne Division killing two officers and wounding fourteen others including the brigade commander. He is now on death row at the US Disciplinary Barracks and presumably will soon have the services of his own private shrink.
This list doesn’t include the numerous John Walker Lindhs and Adam Gadahns out there. They, at least, made their sympathies plain.
Obviously, it is unfair to tar all muslims in the military through association with this short, yet impressive, list of muslims who have betrayed their uniform and their country. There is no doubt that many muslims serve this nation in uniform and do so honorably.
But at some point a frank conversation needs to take place on what it means when the nation can no longer rely on one identifiable demographic to uphold the oath they have taken. More importantly it calls into question the impact on combat readiness when there is a perception that muslim soldiers in your unit are as likely to kill you as they are to kill the enemy.
Clearly it is a very touchy subject. One of our most enduring myths is that America was founded on the idea of religious freedom and religious discrimination is one of the vices that we’ve largely abandoned as a people.
During World War II we didn’t commission Japanese nationalists or ardent Nazis. During th Cold War we did our best to not commission members of the Communist Party. The reasons were obvious. Holding a commission confers certain privileges, while the odd Nazi or commie in the ranks might not be a threat a commissioned officer who took his oath “with purpose of reservation and evasion” is a significant danger. Oddly enough, in the case of Major Hasan, Article IV Section 3 of the US Constitution would allow him to serve as a commissioned officer in the military even if a decision were made to bar muslims from enlisting in the Armed Forces.
One of the enduring fallacies of the Bush Administration’s prosecution of the War on Terror was the refusal to admit that islam was neither peaceful in nature nor a disinterested observer in the war. This is not to say that all muslims are members of al-Qaeda, but to blithely ignore the religious dimension of the war was simply wrongheaded. To continue to ignore the particular vulnerability of muslim troops and officers to the propaganda on the grounds and label that very unremarkable observation as being racist or xenophobic is a fatal error. As we saw yesterday at Fort Hood.
Major Hasan’s rampage simply brings an issue which should have been addressed years ago back to center stage. Knowing what we know, how to we make sure these incidents of murder and sedition stop? Forever.
KnightsofMalta
Steve Maley
Caleb Howe
Premature Anti-fascists or PAFs were the draft exemption
Achance (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 4:06PM EST (link)for at least the leadership types of the leftists and communists that went to fight with the Republicans in Spain, e.g., in the Lincoln Brigade. Even though we became “allies” with the Soviets, the US felt that men so dedicated to communist ideology were a loyalty risk.
In Vino Veritas
In the last security interview I had
streiff (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 4:15PM EST (link)before the changes wrought by the Walker Spy Ring scandal I was asked if I had been a member of the Lincoln brigade
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
Oh, and I'd recommend if I could.
Achance (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 4:27PM EST (link)GWB was so afraid of being labelled as intolerant or narrow-minded that he bargained with himself on everything. Religion of Peace, my a##! The only reason they’ve been relatively peaceful since the late Middle Ages is that Christian Europe finally kicked Hell out of them and stopped their advance. They’re such a primitive lot that for four hundred years or so The West’s technological advantages relegated them to a backwater. Then Nixon let Khadaffi get away with nationalizing the oil industry in Libya. When he got away with it, all the rest of them piled on. Throw in some Communist subversion in America and The West in the form of environmentalism and we have let them loot the national treasuries of most Western nations and turn that money into weapons and power.
We should have had the Marines revisit the shores of Tripoli when Khadaffi started this crap and put a few of our own communists in jail. The World would be a much better place if we had. They can be as Muslim as they want and go on any jihad they want so long as they are poor and powerless. These people cannot be allowed to have power or we’ll be begging the Poles to help us drive them back from the gates of Atlanta rather than Vienna; it was only a little over 400 years ago. That is beyond memory for us and yesterday for them unfortunately.
In Vino Veritas
Vienna's re-match
merryj1 Monday, November 9th at 6:03AM EST (link)Didn’t the Vienna defeat of a Muslim advance occur on September 11 in the 17th (or 16th) century? I believe that’s what Osama bin Ladin alluded to in one of his post-9/11 lip-diddling tapes.
Obama Says...Wait and don't jump to conclusion!
lurker9876 Friday, November 6th at 4:27PM EST (link)In my opinion, that is BS…he’s saying that because of his inclinations towards Islam and his childhood education.
let's not go there
streiff (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 4:36PM EST (link)the last administration, headed by an Evangelical Christian, spent 8 years saying the same thing
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
You know Strieffe, you make me sick
Scope (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 7:58PM EST (link)I stayed far away from your diary againt an organization that wanted to be on the citizens side, non-violent side, and carrying about what is happening to and within this country. You had your glory day, as your diary had probably more posts than most lately. Unfortunately, you couldn’t argue your way out of a box you put yoursef in. Now, you say, “don’t go there.” Who in the hell do you think you are? You are not a consistent regular on here, unless the topic meets your needs. Get off your high horse, and, get real. Again, you make me want to puke. Not the most intelligent respose to you, but, from the bottom of my heart. Who’s side are you on really?
Streiff is a contributing editor to the site
Neil Stevens (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 8:04PM EST (link)His credentials are not in dispute.
If you’re not on his side, then it’s your side that’s called into question here.
RS contributing editor, technical administrator, and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
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I'm sorry Neil for going against your person
Scope (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 8:52PM EST (link)and I promise I will not add any further comments your someone’s beliefs and positions you believe in. There were also many that did not agree with the positions of Strieefe, but hey, I’ll honor your position that his words are important to the site. You do pick your arguments, and, well I am just someone who may not agree. You seem to have some real problems with some that post here, much more than others, and some have asked you respectfully to please stop dogging them.
This is most disturbing- “If you are not on his side, then it’s your side that’s called into question.”
I wasn’t aware that one had to choose sides with their opinions, and only comment only in favor of those opinions. That seems to be against all posting rules on Redstate, even for a moderator. But, then again, if your a moderator, you can control the free speech that you have recently railed against with Net Neutrality.
In order to be in your good favor, please tell all of us who we cannot post disagrement against. I’ll honor your wishes, because, the big fear here is being banned, even if they are the biggest supporters of most of what Redstate is for.
I
You can disagree with editors all you want
Neil Stevens (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 8:56PM EST (link)But as you can see in the comments below from mbecker and Achance, if you’re going to call him out, you’re the one who’s going to look the fool.
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Scope, you're violating the first rule of holes; STOP DIGGING. nt
Achance (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 8:57PM EST (link)In Vino Veritas
This comment goes in the Redstate Hall of Fame.
mbecker908 (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 9:48PM EST (link)In the “Really Stupid Comment” category.
First of all either get a spellchecker and learn how to use it or stop drinking when you’re posting.
Second, Lord knows there is no “rule” about being in or staying in Neil’s “good favor”. If there were I’d have been long gone ages ago. Neil’s “standard” – at least my interpretation of it – is that you can go after anybody for anything as long as you can back up your position with facts, logic and a cogent argument. You’re missing all three.
I'm not even going that far
Neil Stevens (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 9:50PM EST (link)She wasn’t arguing with streiff. She was calling him out.
And well, you don’t call out an editor here unless you want to get real lonesome real quick. That’s just common sense.
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It'd help if you could even spell (nt)
Neil Stevens (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 8:04PM EST (link)RS contributing editor, technical administrator, and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
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But Neil, it doesn't matter if
Scope (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 8:55PM EST (link)some may spell correctly here, but, their posts don’t even make sense from missing words, unfinished thoughts and etc. As long as you spell correctly.
Scope, Streiff is right.
Achance (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 8:25PM EST (link)GWB was so afraid of being tarred with the intolerance brush that he trotted out all that Religion of Peach crap. Not being willing to call Islam by its name is not unique to Comrade Obama’s junta.
In Vino Veritas
Achance- I agree
Scope (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 9:16PM EST (link)GWB, the born again Christian, wouldn’t call a spade a spade, but, he did go after those that were/are spades. I am no where close to a GWB supporter, but, his presidency was over 1 year ago. Do we need to keep reminding everyone of his fallicies, just as Obama keeps wanting to do? Is it helpful to keep reminding the country that we had a bad Republican president. NO. Isn’t it time to keep recent history in mind only, and then move onto better Republicans.
Your head will never get a sunburn Scope.
mbecker908 (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 8:46PM EST (link)1. Streiff is right. You don’t think so produce some facts.
2. Your comment is a rambling farce.
3. We know who Streiff is. We know who you are.
4. Feel free to go puke. Or whatever. Just go.
Classy Becker- just as always with anyone you
Scope (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 9:03PM EST (link)don’t agree with. I wouldn’t have expected anything more. You pick your enemies, and never let up.
Hey, if you put on a buffoon suit and parade around in it
mbecker908 (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 9:41PM EST (link)shouting “Look at me!” don’t get snippy with me if I point out the obvious.
And, FWIW, I don’t have “enemies”. It takes too much effort and it’s not worth it.
I have done that on occasion, its fun
kyle8 (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 9:58PM EST (link)best outfit I ever had was waaaay back in the 1970′s. For a Halloween party, I went dressed as a Canadian. I had a wool cap and an overcoat and a baseball bat smeared with fake blood, then I had several stuffed toy seals hanging from my belt.
I won second place prize at a local bar.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
Me too. But when we do that sort of thing
mbecker908 (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 10:04PM EST (link)it’s not “good sport” to get all pissy when someone points out that you’re dressed funny.
The President of the United States of America has made a direct order. Lurker, follow him.
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 5:11PM EST (link)It’s umh sensitive – it’s difficult, it urrgh umh requires (sic) decisions, you ummh know um. urmmh.
Give Obama a break. It’s real life decision making, Obama didn’t have such kind of scholarly teaching in Harvard.
Give Obam a break. I repeat.. ObamaMedia and Axelerod haven’t yet conceived a coherent SPIN worthy of intellectual journalistic dialogues by Campbell, Maddow, Matthews, and Blitzer, Coockooper, Olbermann, and Coockouric.
Give him a break. Are you listening? Dems haven’t yet finished with the Spin of the Week: Conservatives are extremists.
Wait for the Commander In Chief’s signal to make conclusion.
Or … we, citizens, will once again be called “racist” and unfair to the President.
Not jumping to conclusions
Dan McLaughlin (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 6:07PM EST (link)was the right answer…yesterday. Today, we have more facts, and they point in a fairly clear direction.
“No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong.” – Winston Churchill
How dare you, Dan, for usurping the authority of the CnC!
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 6:34PM EST (link)CnC has all the authority to set the right time for “jumping to conclusion”.
Don’t you know that the CnC rewards those who follow his specific instructions to the letter by BEERFEST, especially in the matter of strategic timing of judgment.
It’s treasonous, Dan McLaughlin. Repent! Or CAIR will go after you.
Remember the power vested by the 52% to the President as CnC:
But I agree. The facts so far are clear.
The President didn’t immediately make a spontaneous remark/conclusion since he’s still waiting what his CAIR advisors (especially Farrakhan) would have to say on this matter.
The President really knows that this tragedy is so delicate and can really damage the “good image” of his fellow muslim -sympathizing, multi-culturalists in America.
Yeah, Obama, don't jump to conclusions, like saying certain people acted STUPIDLY. nt
Common_Cents (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 7:36PM EST (link)Obama=Golfer in Chief, Leading from,
behind, the Back Nine.Leaders don’t create movements. Movements create leaders. Get involved. Your future depends on it.
Govt “invests” YOUR tax money for POLITICAL return rather than economic return.
On the other hand...
merryj1 Monday, November 9th at 6:05AM EST (link)… he probably couldn’t have gotten away with saying “the military acted stupidly” on this one.
Keeping an eye on someone
Kyle-MI (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 4:50PM EST (link)There is a huge difference between keeping on eye on someone and arresting them. It should be ok to keep on eye on any muslim in the U.S. military. This means being discrete and allowing them their freedom, but being careful. Warning signs those that Hasan showed should be investigated and acted on. I shouldn’t need to say it, but this is not advocating rounding up all U.S. muslims and sticking them in detention camps (i.e. the Japanese Americans during WW II). It is not even about barring muslims from serving in the U.S. military. It should be just simple common sense.
There is a huge difference between heritage and religion.
Tbone (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 4:52PM EST (link)One can’t choose their heritage but they can choose their allegiance. However, one one has chosen his religion he has also chosen his allegiance.
As such, no Muslim can ever be trusted to put aside his chosen allegiance to his faith in favor of a sworn allegiance to his Country.
There is a reason that the saying has God first and Country second.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
Islam is a religion AND a polical ideology
jackbenimble (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 5:31PM EST (link)Islam is a religion that commands its followers to install Islamic government and Sharia Law. As such, I find it to be totally incompatible with Western ideas of government which include such enlightened ideas as separation of church and state.
Wherever Muslims go, they push for Sharia. We have seen it as close as Canada and we have seen it in Britain. Most of the European continent is probably going to be wearing burkas within this century.
I can’t imagine why we would allow anybody who holds a political philosophy so antithetical to our own to immigrate. Why would we want new citizens that have to cross their fingers behind their back as they swear the oath of allegiance? It is like deliberately importing revolutionaries that will be trying to subject us and impose a tyrannical and medieval legal and political system on us.
I have problems with them being in the Army because they have repeatedly shown that at least some of them put loyalty to their religion ahead of loyalty to their comrades in arms but I am wondering why they are even here.
I’m sure it is unfair to paint all Muslims with the same broad brush. If only the good ones would brand a big “T” for terrorist on the heads of the bad ones it would be easier to judge them individually. Until that happens, I would put a complete moritorium on Muslim immigration. As the population that is already here ages, the problem with them being in the Army would become moot.
“I repudiate the idea of voting for a Democrat
"I’m sure it is unfair to paint all Muslims with the same broad brush."
Tbone (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 6:24PM EST (link)Why are you sure?
Just because all rattlesnakes haven’t bitten you does that mean all wouldn’t?
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan
SteveLA (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 8:17PM EST (link)You can Google him if you wish. He was an American, and a Muslim, a patriot and he gave his life for this country.
There are other Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan’s in our Armed forces putting their lives on the line for me, you and this country. Generalize all you want about the fine men and women of the Islamic faith who serve in our Armed Forces, it’s wrong, it’s not reflective of the values of the country I love, that I served, my father served and by brother served.
It’s a simple as that.
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Competency over ideological purity and litmus tests
So then
aesthete (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 8:56PM EST (link)I assume that you consider Martin Knight your enemy, then? I don’t, and I hope that you rethink your unprovable and foolish implied generalization that all Muslims are evil.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
If you believe people of faith, any faith,
Tbone (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 10:28PM EST (link)would go against the tenants of that faith to put a political entity above that faith, then you must have no faith.
In Islam you have a plethora of tenants that are in direct contravention to western society and there are obvious tenanta that are interpreted by a significant percentage of believers that allow them religious ablution for killing those whose no other sin is that they are not Muslim.
To invoke Martin Knight is unfair to him. I don’t know the man.
As to you, answer me this, would you prefer your new neighbors to be 4 young Morman missionaries or 4 young Muslim men? See, two can play your cheap game.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
To clarify, don't you mean tenets? nt
redneck_hippie (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 10:33PM EST (link)LOL. Would you like to buy some "Ns" and "As"?
Tbone (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 11:04PM EST (link)I seem to have extra. Pat, can I buy some “Es”
See what happens after a long day working in the private sector.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
I'll answer your question:
aesthete (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 11:06PM EST (link)If you ask whether, in the absence of all other knowledge, I’d rather have Mormon neighbors than Muslim ones, I’d probably choose the Mormons, for several reasons, including the documented problems of Muslim extremism. However, I would vastly prefer meeting said neighbors and evaluating them as individuals with their own merits to making a value judgement with only that knowledge. That wasn’t a cheap question, nor was my question. You clearly implied that you believe all Muslims to be dangerous. That is a very different statement from, say, “Islam mandates jihad against the unbeliever as the responsibility of all believers.” The first is unverifiable, and unfairly characterizes all of those who consider themselves Muslim as bloodthirsty savages, while the second is a verifiable and can be objectively examined. If I mischaracterized your statement, let me know, but assuming that my characterization was accurate, I return to my original question: given what you know about Martin, do you believe him to be a dangerous potential jihadi? Because if you don’t, you have to re-evaluate your original statement’s veracity.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
"You clearly implied that you believe all Muslims to be dangerous."
Tbone (Diary) Saturday, November 7th at 9:48AM EST (link)Well, your answer verified my statement. You said, in effect, absent any additional information, you too would make the presumption that your Muslim neighbors were more dangerous than your Mormon neigbors.
How much of this do you need?
You are at the gate in an airport ready to board your flight to London. There are 5 Muslim young men and 5 Buddhist monks and 5 standby seats. Who do you want to clear the standby list?
Yep, I’m right again.
You hear on the radio a flash about a bus being blown up in London. The guy next to you says “I heard the guys name earlier. You want to bet 5-1 that the guys name was Omar or John? How do you bet?
Unless you are an idiot, you bet John because no one would offer you 5-1 unless it was John. lol.
A magic genie give you the choice between two wishes to achieve World Peace . First choice, he’ll destroy all nuclear weapons. Second choice, he’ll convert all Muslims to Baptists. What’s your choice?
Yep, there you go generalizing again.
Again, you should leave Martin out of this but I guess you wouldn’t be dragging him in if he was a Hindu, would you?
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
*sigh*
aesthete (Diary) Saturday, November 7th at 2:06PM EST (link)I qualified my statement with, “absent all other knowledge”, and I would take reasonable steps to insure that I have more information than someone’s religion before I make a decision, if at all possible. Your statement, OTOH, had no qualifications whatsoever, no “all else being equal”, and was a blanket statement tarring countless Muslims who have no great predilection for violence as being stained with the blood of their compatriots. I have no problem with calling a spade a spade (or a terrorist an Islamic fanatic), but your broad generalization was unfair to the extreme. I’m a Christian, and I have to deal with that sort of generalization from atheists quite often (ie, Christians are dumb, uneducated hicks). I don’t like it when people tar and feather me based on other members of my religion, and it’s not much better when it’s done to other members of another religion.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Jack
dudette Monday, November 9th at 8:36AM EST (link)say it isnt so—how can they emirate here? We don’t need any more people – they are leaking all over the borders. And my hardworking Irish plumber who is not a citizen is always going back to Ireland in time to fulfill his visa requirements or whatever so he can come back and be in the country legally. I do not even know where we start to fix immigration. I am not that old, but I do remember times when immigration was enforced, when illegals were tracked down and returned….i also remember a time when there was a loyalty all kids felt to this country and we were proud of it–it united us against our many differences be they religion or race–whatever. I wonder where we begin to go back?
Just watched the afternoon news clips from ABC
janis (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 5:08PM EST (link)and they were very careful not to say a word about this guy’s religion or his remarks or his praise of suicide bombers. All the emphasis for the cause, such as it was, had to do with nebulous mentions of PTSD. And second hand, at that, since this guy had never deployed.
Way to go, media, thanks for giving us the information we need to make reasonable and smart decisions. For all that they mentioned it, the guy could have been a Pentecostal.
Yeah - secondhand PTSD
Hooah_Mac (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 10:02PM EST (link)I mean, he never saw anything horrible, but he heard people talking about it – so mass murder is justified.
-Priorities-
1. Mission 2. Soldiers 3. Everything Else
we have to ask did all those people die because of political correctness
kyle8 (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 5:11PM EST (link)All the warning signs were there. But no one wanted to upset a Muslim. Furthermore, there has been previous attacks on military personnel, so you have to ask why were there not more armed MP on the base?
The Army will have to shoulder some of the blame for this.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
My take as well. PC is going to kill lots of us if this continues. nt
janis (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 5:15PM EST (link)Kyle, what else could it be? It's Political Correctness.
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 5:28PM EST (link)Our society’s denial of the real ideological nature of Jihadism and the spirit of Muslim collectivism. is failing us miserably.
Even the Roman Catholic Church has concluded that “multi-culturalism” creates more chaos, rather than addressing the existing chaos. Proof: The almost weekly burning of cars and other vehicles in France by radical young moslems.
PROTECTING THE 2ND AMENDMENT IS OUR LAST STRING OF HOPE WHEN THIS KIND OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE BECOMES RAMPANT IN THE FUTURE.
5 Rod! nt
mom2oneson (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 5:33PM EST (link)Hi, mom! nt
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 5:57PM EST (link)Hi Rod!! :-) nt
mom2oneson (Diary) Saturday, November 7th at 6:56AM EST (link)It's cold blooded murder not a tragedy
banzaibob (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 5:38PM EST (link)that soldiers had to die for PC. At the very least any CO or senior officer who knew this was a problem should be Court Martialed for dereliction of duty or possibly tried for negligent homicide.
If it is true most of the MPs were not armed then they forgot the lesson learned by the people of around Ft Hood a decade ago about the massacre at a Luby’s in Killeen. Armed gunman burst in and started shooting killing many. This is why Texas is a concealed carry state.
Prefiero morir de pie que vivir de rodillas
It’s better to die upon your feet than to live upon your knees!
Emiliano Zapata
the answer to the second
streiff (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 5:43PM EST (link)part is easy.
There just aren’t that many MPs.. a division gets one or two companies of about 120 men/women… and they are usually supplemented by some type of uniformed federal police.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
but why is that?
kyle8 (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 7:31PM EST (link)I remember living on a training base in the late 1970′s and there was literally an MP on every major corner. Why, during a war on terror, when bases have already been targeted in the past, would there not be a stepped up presence of armed MP’s?
It is criminal negligence.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
PC is the root cause of this massacre.
The_Rebel (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 5:52PM EST (link)The officers up the chain of command knew this guy was a potential terrorist-in-wait based on the reports they were getting about Hasan both on and off base. But because he was a Muslim, the policy was hands off. I would like to see any officers who had knowledge of Hasan’s nefarious activities, and who failed to inform their superior officers, reprimanded in the least. Based on Streiff’s analysis, it is clear that we should be profiling any Muslims serving in our armed forces. This political correctness must stop now. If another group, religious or otherwise, had been consistently attacking our military, the cries for profiling would be deafening.
I find it ironic that we can let a Muslim officer in the United States Army run wild on a U.S. base killing and wounding innocent servicemen, yet our officers overseas are hamstrung in their efforts to kill the enemy because they are hiding in and around mosques. Until we eliminate this PC-infested mentality from our government, we will see more of this and we will continue to lose good soldiers, both at home and abroad.
Anybody in the active military who said that out loud
Achance (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 6:03PM EST (link)might as well just submit their resignation in this administration. PC will be the key to retention and promotion in Comrade Obama’s military just as it was in Comrade Clinton’s.
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Rod_Patrick (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 6:20PM EST (link)The guy shooting bullets into people was the root cause
tankertodd (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 11:14PM EST (link)Political correctness may have been a factor, but make no mistake, the guy aiming a non-issue pistol at innocent people and pulling the trigger was the root cause.
Blaming PCness for the crime is no different than gun control activists blaming the Second Amendment for the same kind of crime, or lack of registration, etc. If you’re right, then so are they.
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aesthete (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 11:20PM EST (link)I hope that this incident brings about better systems for prevention (fat chance under Obama’s tenure), but saying that the cause of the incident at Ft. Hood was PCness disgustingly shifts the blame from the [insert swear word of your choice describing killer here] holding the gun to institutions that, though complicit, were far from responsible.
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You must not have read beyond my headline
The_Rebel (Diary) Saturday, November 7th at 9:18PM EST (link)I’m not one that likes to quote Wikipedia, but their definition of “root cause” is as follows:
“Commonly, root cause is used to describe the depth in the causal chain where an intervention could reasonably be implemented to change performance and prevent an undesirable outcome.”
Had the chain of command responded properly to all the warning signs, this could have been prevented at Fort Hood. Maybe he would have struck elsewhere, but Fort Hood would have been spared this massacre.
the answer is yes - they did
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 6:52PM EST (link)in the same way, and for the same reason that the new ROE have caused needless deaths of American soldiers in Afghanistain.
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Do you think maybe it wasn't PC stuff but
mom2oneson (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 5:31PM EST (link)employment stuff? I’ve seen here many times where if it’s a minority instead of firing a person they create a new position that isn’t even real for them or they just plain refuse to fire them and let someone incompetent stay on a job and basically other people do their job and the other persons job too. Maybe it’s the employment laws and stuff we should look at within the military. I have no clue what they are, but this is what I’ve seen in the civilian world. Maybe it’s hard to kick someone out of the military?
well nevermind
mom2oneson (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 5:32PM EST (link)I just read he hired a lawyer to try and get out of the military.. so sad.
At the danger of a hijack
JoeG Friday, November 6th at 10:49PM EST (link)Carly Fiorina forced the above into action at Hewlett Packard. If you were a minority and had a pulse, they hired you (except Asians need not apply).
One of the few good things her replacement did was to ax the unwritten policies she put in place.
So who are Arif Alikhan & Kareem Shora?
Tbone (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 6:52PM EST (link)Don’t you feel safer already?
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
Well liberal Geraldo "whining" about how it is just one person...
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 8:18PM EST (link)and not the religion! I see the links you have above Streiff and I watched FOX & Friends this morning and BOOM three stories in a row….Hansan, the Muslim picked up for wanting to bomb somewhere and the father who killed his daughter by running her over for being to Westernized….It was like OK people enough is quite enough!
Either Muslims start fighting back and LOUDLY in their daily prayers that this is unacceptable and hold a reformation or its time for the 1st time in American History to OUTLAW a Religion. WE cannot continue to have this INSANITY overtaking our lives DAILY! Perhaps the rest of the world enjoys bombings and hateful speech in the streets UK BUT Americans dont’ DESERVE it nor WANT it!
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Steph C (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 9:15PM EST (link)That’s for sure.
“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
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Maybe we have to explore the possibilty that
throwback59 Friday, November 6th at 11:03PM EST (link)Islam is simply not compatible with Western/democratic societies. In addition to the father running over his daughter for being “westernized” there was the recent case of the head of a Muslim TV station who beheaded his wife. Locally I’ve read last week of a wife who stabbed her husband because he made her wear “revealing” clothes. All these incidents occuring in the US.
This is the legacy of multi-culturalism. Before MC immigrants were expected to assimilate. Now they are told that they can keep their culture, since all cultures are equal.
Diversity isn’t our strenght, it’s our Achilles’ heel.
I can say this, I will have my eyes and ears open for traitors...
DONTREADONME (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 9:16PM EST (link)in our midst. Without naming names, and they will never admit, but military eyes have been opened and those who make or act questionable in their allegiances will be watched more closely and reported. Don’t mistake it the Cols, Lts Cols, Majors, Captains, Lts and Sgts have heard the message of this incident and they will throw the PC BS to the curb to protect their command.
Typically our military cleans out traitors and spies
Richard Mullins (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 11:01PM EST (link)but seems to take quite time. I seriously think that Major Hasan was really “One Fry short of a Happy Meal” and this crap he went on proves it. It’s seems crazy think that we can go PC when nutballs are in our midst and want to kill when the time is right.
BTW, if I’ve heard right Major Hasan got moved to the New BAMC(I have to distinguish the New BAMC for the Old BAMC{Is it still Southern Command is it Northern Command now?]).
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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.
Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.
Why was no one else armed??
scottbomb (Diary) Friday, November 6th at 10:20PM EST (link)The latest news reports indicate that upwards of a HUNDRED rounds were fired. From two handguns. How many reloads is that? Why wasn’t he tackled? There are many questions to be answered.
My biggest question is why the military has a policy to have it’s soldiers go unarmed on post. Soldiers are trusted with M-16s in the field but not as much as a sidearm on post? It wasn’t even an MP that shot the perp but a civillian cop. I’ve never served in the armed forces so please excuse my ignorance but soldiers walking around without guns makes about as much sense to me as eating cereal without milk.
Granted, miliary posts are supposed to be safe. So are hospitals, schools, churches, and many other places people congregate. The truth of the matter is that there are lunatics in the world and people should always be prepared to protect themselves against such aggressors. No one is immune. Had someone in one of those buildings been armed, we may be mourning the deaths of far fewer people.
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unrelated incident, but
hickorystick (Diary) Saturday, November 7th at 12:45AM EST (link)there is about seven miles separating silver springs, MD where Hasan worshipped and the Dar-alHijrah Mosque where American born Imam Anwar al-Aulaqi preached at. Al-Aulaqi is suspected of abetting three 9-11 hijackers. Add the DC sniper to the mix and Washington DC is beginning to look like a petri dish for terrorists.
Profiling a useful tool. We need to kill PC opposition to it.
samdallas (Diary) Saturday, November 7th at 6:47AM EST (link)This is not rocket science. If there is a pattern follow it. We have seen this before with people being afraid to watch Jews in our government (remember the stolen a-bomb and countless other spying scandals where Israel was involved?). Let’s not wait until Iran steals our bomb using the same fifth column techniques Israel has used so effectively.
Preemptive Strike now
Castor (Diary) Saturday, November 7th at 9:43AM EST (link)We don´t have the luxury of waiting until Iran steals our secrets.They are close enough already without it. Iran is the 500 pound gorilla in the nuclear room.If Hasan could kill 13 of our finest at Fort Hood, Iran will kill 13,000,000 Americans if we wait until those fanatics obtain the capability to do so.
Obama is dithering not only about Afghanistan, but about Iran, too.
What a pity that the probability of a preemptive strike against the nest of Islamic vipers that is Iran is left to tiny Israel.
PREEMPTIVE STRIKE NOW!!!
Take the Jihadists of Achmadinejad & Khamenei out before it´s too late.
Castor is right on
mrbobl7388 Monday, November 9th at 7:20AM EST (link)with preemptive strike NOW on Iran. With our intelligence network I believe we could surgically remove the entire Iranian leadership without major collateral damage. Ethnic and religious profiling is really defining the enemy. We know who they are. We are fighting them on several fronts right now.
The Islamic Nation tried before but have been semi-dormant for about 400 years. Wake up Americans and read some world history. This Islamic gang has been stopped before and it is time to stop them now. We need leadership that will stop them cold in their own back yard. Some of them are now in our front yard and they need to be sent HOME, now… This WILL NOT happen with the Washington gang that has hijacked our country.
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Mosque Connection
dclamage Monday, November 9th at 9:14AM EST (link)I heard on the Quinn & Rose radio show this morning that Major Hasan and two other domestic Islamic terrorists had all attended the same mosque in TX. Perhaps a quick search of that mosque is in order. Or at least infiltrate it to find out what the Imams are really saying. If Major Hasan was driven to personal Jihad against the infidels in the form of committing mass murder, then the mosque should be shut down and the Imams charged as co-conspirators.
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Security
dclamage Monday, November 9th at 9:24AM EST (link)In the wake of Hasan’s planned murder spree, I should hope that every base’s Commanding Officer issue standing orders requiring at least most personnel to be carrying sidearms or rifles around base, as a necessary precaution against further assaults on our troops. It may be shutting the barn doors after the horses have all run out; but given how this incident will probably encourage further attacks on our military personnel, I think a logical precaution.
Except I would exempt all Muslim military personnel. This isn’t racial profiling or racism or religious intolerance; it’s recognizing the obvious — that some of these SOB’s cannot be trusted. Perhaps they should be granted a discharge, if they want one. We need to know where their first loyalties lie.
Political Correctness got those soldiers killed. Several officers knew of Hasan’s belligerent behavior, yet they said nothing because they were afraid of appearing to be inappropriately biased against a Muslim who was becoming more and more outspoken in his anti-American beliefs.
– Dan Clamage
This was a terrorist attack, pure and simple.
Nevile Monday, November 9th at 6:34PM EST (link)To me, the evidence for this is pretty clear. Why is this so hard to accept.?
Islam and atheism have become politicized. The one has always been politicized. Islam’s rapid rise to influence during the Dark Ages was due to the very same militancy we now see demonstrated in our modern era. The other has risen from the crank fringes of academia in the western world to be embraced by our present day political establishment.
Both are finding common cause in persecuting their intended target: people who profess the Christian faith and embrace its values and implications.
The one targets its victims with guns, explosives and violence, the other with the aggressive use of the laws of tolerance and freedom that founded this country and that they have now perverted to silence and blind their opposition to prevent them from taking meaningful action.