Comments on: The Obama Depression Deepens http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2009/09/04/the-obama-depression-deepens/ Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:00:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: zackjk http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2009/09/04/the-obama-depression-deepens/#comment-2283 zackjk Wed, 09 Sep 2009 04:11:17 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/streiff/?p=281#comment-2283 If I have to choose between being hopelessly naive, or just another Lefty troll, I think I must be the troll. However, I don't think that the choice you're giving me is very appropriate. I don't believe that I'm naive, but then again, someone who is naive probably would be too naive to know that they're naive. I read all sorts of different blogs, magazines, and journals, from all sides of the political spectrum. I make a point of reading things with which I disagree, so that I can try to understand the viewpoints of people with whom I disagree. I also don't think I'm a troll, a troll knows that they're a troll, and they will get off on the discord that they cause. I'm interested in an honest conversation, or debate, I don't want to get anybody riled up. You say that he doesn't intend to put an end to the recession, that in fact he needs to make it worse and prolong to create the circumstances so that he can "transform" America. I see that over the past few months, the number of people losing their jobs has consistently declined. I also see that since bottoming out at around 6500, the dow jones has rebounded by about 3000 points, gaining almost half its value from its time at the bottom. Where's the extra gasoline he's pouring on there? If I have to choose between being hopelessly naive, or just another Lefty troll, I think I must be the troll. However, I don’t think that the choice you’re giving me is very appropriate. I don’t believe that I’m naive, but then again, someone who is naive probably would be too naive to know that they’re naive. I read all sorts of different blogs, magazines, and journals, from all sides of the political spectrum. I make a point of reading things with which I disagree, so that I can try to understand the viewpoints of people with whom I disagree. I also don’t think I’m a troll, a troll knows that they’re a troll, and they will get off on the discord that they cause. I’m interested in an honest conversation, or debate, I don’t want to get anybody riled up. You say that he doesn’t intend to put an end to the recession, that in fact he needs to make it worse and prolong to create the circumstances so that he can “transform” America. I see that over the past few months, the number of people losing their jobs has consistently declined. I also see that since bottoming out at around 6500, the dow jones has rebounded by about 3000 points, gaining almost half its value from its time at the bottom. Where’s the extra gasoline he’s pouring on there?

]]> By: Achance http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2009/09/04/the-obama-depression-deepens/#comment-2281 Achance Tue, 08 Sep 2009 20:06:29 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/streiff/?p=281#comment-2281 Comrade Obama has no desire or intention of putting out the fire. He needs to keep it going, even make it worse to have any success with his stated goal of remaking America. You're either hopelessly naive or just another Lefty troll. Comrade Obama has no desire or intention of putting out the fire. He needs to keep it going, even make it worse to have any success with his stated goal of remaking America.

You’re either hopelessly naive or just another Lefty troll.

]]> By: discerningconservative http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2009/09/04/the-obama-depression-deepens/#comment-2280 discerningconservative Tue, 08 Sep 2009 20:02:07 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/streiff/?p=281#comment-2280 he has failed to grab a hose and fight that fire and instead has opted to continue to pour gasoline on it makes him more culpable than the "arsonist" that you speak of. he has failed to grab a hose and fight that fire and instead has opted to continue to pour gasoline on it makes him more culpable than the “arsonist” that you speak of.

]]> By: zackjk http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2009/09/04/the-obama-depression-deepens/#comment-2279 zackjk Tue, 08 Sep 2009 19:52:48 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/streiff/?p=281#comment-2279 The recession started in December 2007. The house was already on fire when he moved in; just because Obama hasn't put it out yet, it doesn't mean that he's the arsonist. The recession started in December 2007. The house was already on fire when he moved in; just because Obama hasn’t put it out yet, it doesn’t mean that he’s the arsonist.

]]> By: Neil Stevens http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2009/09/04/the-obama-depression-deepens/#comment-2235 Neil Stevens Sat, 05 Sep 2009 02:37:40 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/streiff/?p=281#comment-2235 I expressly withhold further permission for you to use our servers, rantus. Further use of our servers, including the registration of new accounts, will put you in violation of federal and possibly state anti-computer-abuse laws and could leave you liable for thousands of dollars in fines and months in jail. I expressly withhold further permission for you to use our servers, rantus. Further use of our servers, including the registration of new accounts, will put you in violation of federal and possibly state anti-computer-abuse laws and could leave you liable for thousands of dollars in fines and months in jail.

]]> By: TNJim http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2009/09/04/the-obama-depression-deepens/#comment-2229 TNJim Sat, 05 Sep 2009 02:17:16 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/streiff/?p=281#comment-2229 By: rantusresurrectus http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2009/09/04/the-obama-depression-deepens/#comment-2227 rantusresurrectus Sat, 05 Sep 2009 02:12:02 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/streiff/?p=281#comment-2227 <div style="color: white;background-color: white;font-size: x-small"> And you know economics from where? So George W didn't have anything to do with the current situation we're in and Obama is responsible for it all? How come that doesn't sound very plausible? </div>

And you know economics from where? So George W didn’t have anything to do with the current situation we’re in and Obama is responsible for it all?

How come that doesn’t sound very plausible?

]]> By: Flagstaff http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2009/09/04/the-obama-depression-deepens/#comment-2224 Flagstaff Sat, 05 Sep 2009 02:00:54 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/streiff/?p=281#comment-2224 I could only come up with this comparison (the data seem to be incomplete; it's certainly hard to decipher for an amateur like me): In <b>August, 2009</b> The civilian labor force was 154,577,000 (non-military, I suppose) Employed: 139,649,000 Unemployed: 14,928,000 Not in labor force: 81,509,000 Government employment: 22,487,000 (non-military, I suppose) So total of unemployed, not in force, plus government seems to be 118,924,000. <i>Non-government employed seems to be</i> 139,649,000 less 22,487,000, or <i>117,162,000.</i> Based on my assertion that government employees do not pay taxes (we pay them for them, indirectly) <b>the total tax burden seems to be paid by less than half of potential workers.</b> And that apparently doesn't count the military, who are also government employees. Not clear, I know, but it would take an expert to find the exact numbers. I could only come up with this comparison (the data seem to be incomplete; it’s certainly hard to decipher for an amateur like me):

In August, 2009

The civilian labor force was 154,577,000 (non-military, I suppose)
Employed: 139,649,000
Unemployed: 14,928,000

Not in labor force: 81,509,000
Government employment: 22,487,000 (non-military, I suppose)

So total of unemployed, not in force, plus government seems to be 118,924,000.
Non-government employed seems to be 139,649,000 less 22,487,000, or 117,162,000.

Based on my assertion that government employees do not pay taxes (we pay them for them, indirectly) the total tax burden seems to be paid by less than half of potential workers. And that apparently doesn’t count the military, who are also government employees.

Not clear, I know, but it would take an expert to find the exact numbers.

]]> By: 1stRichard http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2009/09/04/the-obama-depression-deepens/#comment-2219 1stRichard Fri, 04 Sep 2009 17:25:07 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/streiff/?p=281#comment-2219 Count those collecting, no longer bothering looking work, part time employment underemployed, and factor in government employed. Could it be true that right now we have almost half the people supporting the other half? What percentage of the population is government employed or on government entitlement? Count those collecting, no longer bothering looking work, part time employment underemployed, and factor in government employed. Could it be true that right now we have almost half the people supporting the other half?

What percentage of the population is government employed or on government entitlement?

]]> By: Thomas_Hauber http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2009/09/04/the-obama-depression-deepens/#comment-2218 Thomas_Hauber Fri, 04 Sep 2009 16:43:27 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/streiff/?p=281#comment-2218 I answered my own question. Took me awhile, but I was finally able to find the BLS report: http://stats.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm I answered my own question. Took me awhile, but I was finally able to find the BLS report:
http://stats.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

]]> By: Thomas_Hauber http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2009/09/04/the-obama-depression-deepens/#comment-2217 Thomas_Hauber Fri, 04 Sep 2009 16:36:33 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/streiff/?p=281#comment-2217 Does anyone know what the adjustment was for July's unemployment rate? Does anyone know what the adjustment was for July’s unemployment rate?

]]> By: Socrates http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2009/09/04/the-obama-depression-deepens/#comment-2216 Socrates Fri, 04 Sep 2009 15:27:09 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/streiff/?p=281#comment-2216 But I think he has a right to be depressed, given the devastation his fantasies are causing the country, given his polling numbers, and given the number of people who are turning out at the Tea Parties and town halls to blister his allies. I mean, he's losing <i>David Brooks</i>. So yeah, he should be depressed. But I think he has a right to be depressed, given the devastation his fantasies are causing the country, given his polling numbers, and given the number of people who are turning out at the Tea Parties and town halls to blister his allies.

I mean, he’s losing David Brooks.

So yeah, he should be depressed.

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